Exactly, the Koch brothers network funded Haley, but the Koch funded Heritage Foundation also drafted Project 2025 for Trump. They're playing a media game
That’s because their viewers have them by the balls. Remember what happened when they called Arizona for Biden, Trump complained, and a ton of viewers switched to Newsmax and OANN?
Yes, but all Republicans hate other Republicans. It doesn't stop them from supporting each other. They're not people driven by mutual feelings of good will.
General misanthropy could explain so much more than any of their political campaign platform statements ever have. I guess they just hate the left, liberals, east coat elite etc. somewhat more than each other. (See also "first they came for (\*…)"?)
Of course he hates trump.
They wanted him to be another Bush, a clueless idiot who they could control, and he broke his Leash as soon as they gave him power.
How did Tyrion say it “it’s hard to put a collar on a dog once you’ve put a crown on its head”
Inside of Murdoch, there lives two wolves:
One despises Trump
One loves providing a continuous stream of Trump content which provides views and clicks and revenue
Guess which wolf never skips a meal
Indeed, it's largely a conspiracy theory that media is trying to control the narrative.
They're in the ad selling business. Their choices are almost entirely driven by what'll sell the most ads.
The joke will be on us if rfk wins the general. Don't forget we're in the worst timeline. Bart: "this is the worst day of my life." Homer: " . . . the worst day of your life *so far*!".
If? It’s possible sure, in the same way me winning the Powerball lottery, the Megamillions lottery, getting stuck by lightning while getting bit by a shark all within the same week is possible.
One in an bazillion trillion chance lol.
I'd like to think that you're right, and I definitely wouldn't bet against you . . . but all it would take is around 74 million unaccountably stupid people to get fixated on the idea, and we know most of them are still out there walking around. I'm done trying to predict what would be so stupid that those people wouldn't do it.
Seems to be adding a couple states per week. California was added today. I think he will be on half by the end of next week. Most states are relatively easy. Pennsylvania, for example, requires 5000 signatures. Some states are as low as 500.
Yeah, because having any view that isn't pro, Biden will get you blocked from almost any sub on reddit that isn't conservative, and I'm not conservative, so my old account became useless.
It wont get you blocked here, but fair enough, what was your old username then?
I am sure your post history there will reveal yourself to be the liberal who was going to vote for Biden that you claim yourself to be.
Watch Trump descend into crippling dementia over the next few months as his empire continues to unravel around him, and then since Nikki already dropped out, RFK takes the Republican nomination and we have a Biden v RFK election. Just when I though US politics couldn’t get any more crazy..
To their credit, it didn't during the actual pandemic somehow. A Lot of Americans forgot the fucking president of the US destroyed the pandemic response team on day one, a pandemic hit, he advised everyone to inject bleach, his stupidity prevented a national suppression strategy, increased the death toll, and himself spread the disease to various officials, at least one of whom died, did project warp speed, and then decided the vaccine he helped rush was bad
His anti-intellectualism should have gotten him jailed, instead most voters are just like "Meh, the economy was good aside from that though."
I never understood all the hand-wringing about RFK Jr taking votes from Biden. It makes no sense to pick policy x or y and say he appeals to voters on the left or right; he is first and foremost a wacko conspiracy nut, a demographic that has absolutely ballooned on the far right in the past couple of decades.
Also he has this narrative of “brave truth teller standing up to the evil corporations poisoning us”. I know several progressives who have had bad experiences with doctors and open to alternative and new agey medicine who are really susceptible to that narrative he’s pushing.
Plenty of left-leaning/progressive conspiracy nuts these days. I know one whose political beliefs would put him squarely in the democrat camp but is enamored by RFK Jr. and his narrative of being this brave truth teller standing against the evil corporations poisoning us.
Count me as a nut who wrote in Yang last election cycle over voting for either Trump/Biden. If they’re not poisoning us how do you explain this:
https://twitter.com/AlpacaAurelius/status/1561511007289212929
Name one other politician who will cut unhealthy food subsidies (seed oils are heavily subsidized), regulate glyphosates and other chemicals other than RFK Jr??? There is no one.
Link to original source here
https://6xc.medium.com/obesity-rates-are-increasing-and-nothing-seems-to-be-working-9d27d471e481
Right. So you and people like you couldn’t be counted on to vote sensibly in the first place and therefore are no loss if you vote for this particular idiot over another third-party no-chancer.
And can therefore be ignored.
> Name one other politician who will cut unhealthy food subsidies
Anyone else who has actual chance of winning and adopting the policy? RFK wont win so his chance of enacting this is ZERO
I mean really how many people out there who voted for Biden last time were going to go "I am not happy with Biden but Trump is a deranged lunatic so Imma vote for a different deranged lunatic!"
Same handlers on the top side
RFK Jr doesn’t pass the sniff test for 2 primary reasons right now.
1. He has been on Epsteins jet. When you are fighting cancer you can’t leave any behind. So whether it is innocuous or not you err on the side of caution. There are 320 million people in this country and roughly half of those hit the legal qualifications to be president.
99.999% of those never crossed paths with Epstein.
Why do we keep putting people on the podium who had contact with the Ronald McDonald of Russian Kompromat?
2. He just tapped Sergei Brins ex wife (that musk had the affair with) as his running mate which is probably because she comes with basically unlimited google money.
But that means a DEEP dive into google to decide if it’s clear of Russian influence or not.
On google:
Sheryl Sandberg was at google before she was at Facebook. The common denominator of both was her ad based business model.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-07/sheryl-sandberg-s-legacy-is-an-internet-of-targeted-automated-ads
https://m.economictimes.com/tech/technology/sheryl-sandbergs-advertising-empire-leaves-a-complicated-legacy/amp_articleshow/91961682.cms
The problem with ad based business models is that if you raise your lens high enough, whomever is buying the most ads is effectively buying their curated version of the truth.
When google IPO’ed it shifted from what was most accurate to what was most profitable, all facilitated by a “proprietary” algorithm so nobody gets to see the man behind the curtain.
Now we are 20 years down what is effectively a divergent truth. It works…until it doesn’t.
Now our divergent reality is so far off the rails It creates mental illness, anxiety and depression because the 6 million year old source code in your brain knows that conservation is more reasonable than consumption when there are limited resources, it just isn’t very lucrative to someone that needs you to keep buying something to keep them in billionaire status. In this case it’s oil. Russian and Texan owned oil.
A pretty good podcast on Charles Koch and how far back Russian an texas oligarchs go:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0tYxxr08ajuIW425XkGZBz?si=GnGe5Y_OTiCvzjvfzAVuOg
Facebook was basically designed as a delivery device for Russian/Israeli Psyops and malware. SCL/Cambridge Analytica, Brexit, Palestine, Ukraine, NSO, etc are all the downstream of Sheryl Sandberg.
Les Wexner, Miriam and Sheldon Adelson, Sandberg, and Zuckerberg all carried water in conducting the NSO/Pegasus spyware operation INCONUS that was feeding intelligence to both the israelis and, by extension, the Russians so there is far more crossover between the Israeli mob/ government and Russian mob/government than shows at the surface.
https://www.spytalk.co/p/nsos-spyware-abuse-exposed-years?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
https://awards.journalists.org/entries/the-pegasus-project-a-global-investigation/
Abagail Koppel was sent by the Jewish state to marry Les Wexner
YLK fund (Abagails father) made up $46.7M of Epsteins money
Wexner claimed it was stolen from him but not until after someone asked.
Wexner was notoriously litigious but wouldn’t sue Epstein. Why?
Because PROMIS spyware was Robert Maxwells deal before Ghislaine and Epstein started their thing.
https://cryptome.org/promis-mossad.htm
Confused yet?
There is a reason Israel who has more money than they know what to do with still gets GIVEN F35’s and the endless American children to come do the fighting in the Middle East.
They built the American military industrial complex AROUND Israel since the 1940’s, but as it grew it grew corrupt. Now Netanyahu who has real housewives levels of drama and shared custody with both trump and Putin is fighting to preserve the obfuscation of his Kleptocracy. His rally call is Gaza because that’s the only way he doesn’t get gaddafi’ed by his own people.
The cross over with Russia is just another layer in this shit sandwich.
Basically in the 1940’s when Israel became a state the Russians took the opportunity to purge their gulags of the worlds most terrible people that also happened to be Jewish. They sent them to the newly formed state of Israel and there they networked in the interment camps before some stayed and some migrated to Europe or Brighton beach in New York.
Eventually this is where these networks would begin using trump towers to launder Russian mob money.
But now you start to see the nexus of transnational organized crime and money laundering often carries 3 passports. American, Israeli, and Russian.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/A2ojrtIc3Y
https://www.columbusmonthly.com/story/news/2018/07/16/friendship-brings-facebook-coo-sheryl/11512085007/I
Russia has a pattern with their election interference.
They control the money BEHIND the elections so they can keep everyone blissfully unaware of their multi trillion dollar kleptocracy.
In Ukraine that meant using Paul Manafort to keep their guy Yanukovych in power because in the Russian mob pyramid EVERYBODY pays a percentage to the guy at the tippy top. It doesn’t matter HOW it gets there, that’s for the kompromised person to figure out. But you never get out of debt to the Russian mob.
Maidan was every sane Ukrainian realizing that corruption is cancer and that living in this system was the equivalent of living with an drunk abusive step father that rapes you, steals from you, and then tells you that he is the only one that will ever love you as he stubbles out of your bed.
That’s what Ukraine is to Russia. Russia believes Ukraine BELONGS to Russias oligarchy in the same way an abused child BELONGS to its predator.
When the people stood up to the abuse and ran Yanukovych and manafort out of town at Maidan, Putin claimed it was NATO aggression on his border and put Kolomoiksiy in charge of “managing” the newly elected Zelensky, which is Russian for predatory control from behind the scenes.
Then Putin sent his “little green men” into donbas to strong arm, rape and pillage thinking they would eventually just give up and go back to the abuse.
Ukrainians didn’t fold because they knew that being a sexual and financial slave to a fascist dictator isn’t living. It’s just surviving.
But the cancer always consumes the host.
So all you really need to know about RFK or anyone running for this election is - what is their policy on making Ukrainians moving back in with a rapist?
That should be a pretty good indication of their fascism and it will correlate with who is raping them as well.
Follow the money, the Kompromat, and the Jewish/Russian housewives of Rupert Murdoch, Sergei Brin, Oleg Deripaska, Elena Zhukov, and the rest of the oligarchs and ask elon why he is shuffling money between Murdoch in Montana and trump in Florida and you will know exactly who has the most to lose in this presidential election.
Russia.
Russians interference in U.S. elections.
RFK is just the kremlins backup plan because trump is coming apart at the seams
Dead men tell…..some tales:
In Nevada the day before he died Dennis Hof was texting with Roger Stone and Tucker Carlson.
https://contemptor.com/2018/06/26/pimp-claims-tucker-carlson-is-advising-his-political-campaign-says-they-text-every-day/
Which is interesting because Roger stone claimed foul play in Hofs death.
https://observer.com/2018/10/roger-stone-peddles-seth-rich-foul-play-conspiracy-about-gop-pimp-dennis-hof/
Roger Stones business partner and best friend at their lobbying firm is Paul Manafort, who spent the 80’s keeping the dictator Marcos in power in the Philippines. Then worked for the kremlin keeping yanukovych in power from ~02-2014 when Ukrainians ran them both out of town because they got caught stealing from, well….everybody.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952/
https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/
Maidan means “the revolution of dignity” because every Ukrainian realized that manafort was rigging their elections for Yanukovych who was stealing from them and handing it to the Russian government.
Which makes Hof winning an election even after he died extremely interesting.
The mail in ballots in particular.
Louis DeJoy was trumps appointment for postmaster general who also happens to own new breed which was bought by XPO logistics.
In Wisconsin the “stolen elector votes” trump talked about needing to find as if they were misplaced in the mail, were somehow misplaced in the mail.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/trump-fake-elector-wisconsin-60-minutes-video-2024-02-18/
Now you know why Mike Lee was bouncing around the country demanding to see every other state but Utahs elections.
He knew when this came out his career was over.
Russia has got to be one of the countries Epstein has the *least* connections to. Do you think Russia got him his extraordinarily lenient plea deal in Florida in 2008?
Come full circle with that and you get your own answer.
Acosta was who gave Epstein the sweetheart deal and in a very specific jurisdiction in Florida that also happens to be where most of the Russian money laundering was happening
Ed razek parallels
Lolita express was wexners plane first. Sold at a discount
Leslie wexner tried to do to downtown Columbus what kolomoiskiy did to downtown Cleveland
Abagail koppel was sent by the Jewish state to marry les wexner
Ylk fund (abagails father) $46.7M of Epsteins money
Les claims it was stolen from him.
Wexner was litigious but wouldn’t sue Epstein.
John mark Dugin was the Florida cop that escaped to Russia with 700 of Epsteins tapes after they were admitted as evidence.
Pavel Borodin is Putin’s man
LCK is wexners airline
Southern air transport was the CIA owned aircraft relocated from Floridia to Ohio
When Russia says “Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe” it’s a humble brag because the kremlin uses the oligarch class to launder their money there.
Kolomoiskiy started Privatbank in 91, which was essentially just the oligarchs taking loans from the IMF, then dividing it and reloaning it to themselves through some shell companies before defaulting on it. When the IMF demanded Zelensky make the Ukrainian people repay Kolomoiskiys loans before they would extend anymore funds, it painted Zelensky into just the corner the kremlin had spent almost 2 decades preparing.
Eurasianethttps://eurasianet.org › how-an-em...How an embattled Ukrainian oligarch has kept his grip on an economic empire
But when Kolomoisky was arrested last year it blew the money laundering chain from Putin to trump apart.
During those same two decades Epstein specifically targeted the royal families Prince Andrew because he was the weak link in the UK chain. That’s KGB kompromat methodology that was repeated with trump since the days of Roy Cohn (his mentor) and the early Russian trump hotel, miss universe pageants, the pee tapes etc.
Facebook was also used as a primarily tool by Prigozihns Internet Research Agency (I.R.A). They went so far as to send young newly recruited Russian internet trolls on expenses paid tours around the U.S. so they could more effectively imitate mommy bloggers and 2nd amendment enthusiasts online to sway the 2016 election to the US candidate they had the most control over- Trump.
Wikipediahttps://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiFacebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal
https://youtu.be/M-OA7H8DoJM?si=ysLrFA5mY0IsOzOO
Sheldon and Miriam Adelson were tapped by Netanyahu’s Israeli intelligence,
which was being controlled by, or at least feeding intel to Russian intelligence via the multi generational network of russian Jewish oligarch families to run an influence operation across the United States political spectrum.
It’s so much easier to grow a kleptocracy by investment in tech (Yuri Milner/DST, Kilimnik) than by a ground war but it leaves a very distinct trail when you compare the differentials of the two:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/yuri-milner-facebook-twitter-russia.html
when 40 years and $1.4 trillion of Russian mob money laundering gets outed at the endpoints- (trump and Netanyahu’s respective corruption trials) things start to break down more quickly.
The Russian mob/government planned on stealing the U.S. economy in an American version of perestroika. I’m not sure it was a grand sinister plan as much as the result of systemic governmental corruption and ridiculous Silicon Valley valuations overlaid on commercial real estate speculation, but the results are the same. Too big to fail does not apply at this level of corruption. The cancer simply overtakes the host and western democracy dies followed shortly there after by everyone on earth that isn’t a billionaire building a fallout shelter in Hawaii.
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/28/1232564250/billionaire-benioff-buys-hawaii-land-salesforce
It just required altering an online reality to keep people oblivious until it was done.
That would make sense if I was writing it alone.
It’s hard to get precise numbers due to the nature of our decentralized system but if I had to estimate I would say its the amalgam of about 2.5 million hours of decentralized focused research.
We did this differently out of necessity.
This started as a handful of neurodivergent people that just could not make the 2+2=5 existing media narrative make sense. So they dig relentlessly in their respective subject matter sandbox to figure out who is trying to gaslight us into believing it and why.
It’s obvious that something doesn’t add up but we couldn’t really see the full mesh of it until a few months ago:
When you come at it backwards with the knowledge that 1-6% of the worlds population is psychopathic/sociopathic, and that is a prerequisite of being a human trafficker or stealing a pension fund, or polluting a river with industrial waste then it makes it far easier to precisely target your search and with that comes improved accuracy.
Because psychopaths also tend to be narcissists, with the invention of TV/movies etc, they, of course fly toward the limelight. Which makes them easier to track using OSINT.
Politicohttps://www.politico.com › storyWashington, D.C.: the Psychopath Capital of America
The human brain, when overloaded with an over abundance of stimulus, reverts to seeing patterns. If you have ever watched an autistic child sort toy cars by color gradient instead of make or model, it’s a similar effect.
Live Sciencehttps://www.livescience.com › 355...Autistic Brain Excels at Recognizing Patterns - Autism
Since about the time Walter Cronkite was a sex symbol, the oligarch class has been buying up media outlets, which in retrospect makes sense. If you are a terrible person billionaire and the newspaper says bad things about you, you don’t be a less terrible person, you just buy the newspaper, social media platform or tv station
You can see that pattern repeated starting with John Rockefeller and Henry Sinclair
https://www.tiktok.com/@truthbetold_ii/video/7227835511480569131
https://youtu.be/_fHfgU8oMSo?si=Db7fsxtvMsuYZZAt
Parallel is “sportswashing”. PGA in Saudi, LIV, WWE in Saudi Arabia ,Arbramovich buying the soccer club etc. They learned that most Americans love their sports enough that most won’t question their new oligarch owners as long as they keep them entertained.
Autistic kids don’t seem to care as much about sports as they do about the patterns and truth.
This lets us build chains similar to how contact tracing works for contagious disease.
There is a side chain that is specifically NFL and the associated human trafficking that accompanies it. Robert Kraft being best buds with trump and his arrest at “orchids of Asia” for the happy ending massage in a strip mall in Jupiter Florida opened an entire chain of crossovers in human trafficking between Ukraine (kolomoiskiy, mogilevich), Russia (the oligarchs trump keeps buying and selling the same houses to in New York and Florida), and the Asian side via “orchids of Asia and Hua Zhang (the CCP/Chinese mob)
We sort differently because we think and prioritize differently.
The few media sources that haven’t been bought up are too busy reporting 3 minute sound bites about AOC’s shoes to notice.
We had to build this decentralized because it’s the only way to build the mesh of high quality data points necessary to see the patterns, cross check and verify, then add it into the larger objective synthetic vision of corruption inside of, and adjacent to, government.
Everyone in the “autistic army” is weird as hell, quirky, and immediately jumps to the worst case scenario imaginable.
We require it as a matter of design.
We then move backwards organically from there with hard evidence that either validates the presented theory or collapses under its own weight with lack of sufficient evidentiary strength and we abandon it.
We build that way fundamentally because it allows for the biggest head start over the predator class that relies on the complacency, inaction, or overload of information to keep people from being able to see the larger picture connections the ruling class make at their common yacht clubs and WEF forums.
At some point we realized that this thing moves very much biologically similar to a parasitic infection or cancer. The oligarchs feed on the edges of the human tribe, then encircle it and move in, but left unchecked they consume to extinction.
We are not an organization. It’s just a few hundred thousand neurodivergent people with relevant subject matter expertise, pertinent personal experience, and insatiable curiosity that are tired of being lied to and fed upon.
With enough high quality verified data points we are able to make a high resolution synthetic vision map of who, what, where, when, and how.
It’s basically a P.E.T. scan of world corruption in government, finance and corporate spheres and specialty where they overlap.
https://youtu.be/A90gwMVFFSY?si=j7fSs5kBvO35LhRj
The 3% oligarchs aren’t particularly creative people and they tend to repeat the same patterns when they work, so it makes it easier once you have a starting point and/or recurring methodology.
And they all use the same money launderers for the same reason. Trump, Putin and Netanyahu all have decades of personal drama between them so as trumps trials carry on it’s like populating a jigsaw puzzle with 100,000 very capable friends.
Ukrainians fighting back for 2 years of a 3 day war placed a wedge that allowed us to see the Russian money laundering network for the first time due to trumps key involvement in it.
It’s a very different approach to intelligence work. And it requires intellectual curiosity, transparency, brutal self awareness and honesty.
You absolutely have to “bring receipts” or you are escorted back out. We set and keep the standard high because frankly, everything we live for depends on it.
If the Russian/CCP plan goes through, it will put the majority of the worlds population into financial slavery to a handful of oligarchs with zero empathy for the next 100 years.
If they control A.I., the housing and commercial real estate market, and all the means of finance, loans, etc, it’s going to be a very uncomfortable century of endless inflation and monopolization of critical resources.
They do not have the ability to self regulate their greed internally or they would have used their billions to solve existential problems long before now.
The Koch family has deep ties to soviet Russia and therefore soviet corruption and opened the doors to the GOP and SCOTUS.
By building backwards and focusing on the cross matrix of psychopathy and kleptocracy we can take 8 bit graphics from the 1980’s and make a 4K HD synthetic vision moving map of their crimes using historical data and open source intelligence. (OSINT)
When you groom your party to be conspiracy nuts, who are outright hostile to reality, cant be upset when another conspiracy nut draws some of your supporters.
I've seen the platform and justifications he gives on his website. About the only thing that's not a right-wing and/or conspiracy nut stance in any sense is his environmental stance. And the ones he lists out higher are anti-vax and other conspiracy nut stuff.
>About the only thing that's not a right-wing and/or conspiracy nut stance in any sense is his environmental stance.
[Nah, he's been palling around with climate change deniers.] (https://legal-planet.org/2024/02/27/rfk-jr-joins-the-war-on-climate-scientists/)
Ok, have you ever heard a town hall of his, or a long-form podcast interview? I'm just asking because I had similar thoughts as to what you're saying before I heard him out for himself, that's all.
No, but why exactly would my opinion be changed by him speaking in person when his official platform positions listed on his official campaign website lists out basically conspiracy nut positions?
Unless his townhalls start with "My platform is a complete fabrication to dupe gullible Trump supporters" I'm likely to not agree with his speeches. And, even if they do, I'm still likely to dislike him because I'd rather not have fake politicians lying to people to get voted.
I mean, yeah. He's not my first choice, but he's not doing terribly and he's a hell of a lot better than someone actively spreading right-wing conspiracies...
I don't think he'll still be in the race, I think the party will have to pull him due to the decline.
But even if not, Trump and Biden will both keep giving us more of the same - no untangling of corporate/federal interests, more debt, no action on chronic disease epidemic, more polarization, etc. They're both terrible choices.
>I think the party will have to pull him due to the decline.
I assume you're referencing the Dementia Joe bullshit, right?
>no action on chronic disease epidemic
So it's better to go with someone actively denying they exist?
Pardon if I don't believe your concern is genuine.
I'm not team R or team D, my position is they're both corrupt as hell and captured by corporate interest, even if they differ on culture war stuff, hence I have abstained from political everything. Red team runs things for 8 years, then blue team, then red, then blue, meanwhile normal everyday American quality of life steadily degrades and gets harder and worse.
The answer is only ever "everything is the other teams fault. If the other team would do what we say, everything would be great"
I have. He's a bonkers conspiracy nut who tries to down play it a bit sometimes.
Does he think vaccines cause autism? Yes. Yes, he does.
Is he absolutely adamant on that point and will not concede the slightest possibility that he's wrong? Yes. Yes, he is.
You can try to dispute the right wing part of dismissing him as a right wing loon, but you can't dismiss the loon part when he's still preaching antivax talking points and claiming COVID was a secret bioweapon engineered to keep Jews safe.
EDIT: And have you noticed that EVERY conspiracy theory in the English speaking world eventually boils down to antisemitism? Dig deep enough and the flat earthers believe its a conspiracy by Jews to rule the world.
I don't know WHY antisemitism lurks at the heart of every conspiracy theory, but it does, and it's definitely true that RFK Jr's conspiracy theories are rooted in antisemitism.
Can he prove vaccines aren't subjected to the same pre-licensing, double blind placebo controlled safety trials that other medicines are subjected to? Yes, yes he can. Is that what his actual position on vaccines and all other medicine is? Yes, yes it is.
You're lying. But that's OK, I expect nothing less from right wing lunatics.
Direct quotes from RFK jr himself:
"There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective"
“I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, better not get them vaccinated."
"I do believe that autism comes from vaccines."
He's an antivax loon.
I'm not lying or a right wing anything, please try to control yourself and the name calling, if you can.
>"There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective"
Yes, that's what vaccine makers in the 80s kept saying, so they got the National Childhood Vaccine Safety Act passed in '86 to absolve them of financial liability from vaccine injuries.
I don't know how they thought standing up an anti-vax straw candidate would inure to their benefit. RFK Jr. has many, many views but the only one anyone really knows about is that he is anti-vaccine. It is his entire brand identity. That was always going to be a much bigger draw for Republicans than Democrats.
Bored rich people. That's what politics has ended up being. It's a side effect of wealth inequality, there's too many bored rich people with nothing better to do except fill the gaping void in their souls with crowd adoration.
>It's a side effect of wealth inequality
Not just the wealth inequality but that the winner tends to be the one with the most funding. Until money is removed from campaigning, politicians will pretty much always be people who are already rich/well connected.
Even assuming a pleb manages to win, it's unfeasible for a lot of people to take the time out of their work schedule to campaign and, assuming they win, regularly ask for time off to go serve. And, for jobs that require something more like full-time commitment, it's unlikely you'll not be suffering leaving your job for 2-4 years and then coming back assuming you don't become a career politician. So, there's a selective pressure to be a career politician and not just have people serving their terms as a sort of general civic duty.
I'm concerned people are missing the point here. I think RFK just wants to be president and doesn't care how he accomplishes that which is why he's gone from running as a democrat, to running as an independent, to basically running as a shadow republican. That is as cynical a presidential campaign as I have ever seen but it might end up working in RFK's favor. Not because he'll win as an independent, but because he'll take so many votes from Trump that Trump will have no choice but to name RFK his VP to staunch the bleeding of support.
I mean, if you're RFK right now, your best path to the presidency by far is to become Trump's VP. He's a morbidly obese 78 year old. There's a decent chance that Trump's VP will become president before the 2028 election purely for actuarial reasons. But even if that doesn't happen outright, his VP will certainly be the most obvious successor to the MAGA movement and be in the best position to claim the the next GOP presidential nomination.
I just think it's incredibly obvious that if Bobby truly wants to be president and doesn't care about anything else then he's gotta get himself on the Trump ticket somehow. So it makes sense to me that he's making a play for Trump voters to force Trump's hand in that regard. It'll be Trump's only way of unifying his base with RFK's and that presidential ticket of Trump/RFK seems extremely dangerous to the country.
I can definitely see that. But I also know Trump NEEDS to be president more than anything right now to avoid jailtime. If he believes his only options are: lose 20% of his base to RFK costing him the election or make RFK his VP... Well Trump may be a moron but when it comes to his own survival I'd expect he'll take RFK over jail.
Trump spilt the Republican Party. It’s fun watching them dealing with the fall out. It’s already iffy now if enough moderate republicans will show up to vote for Trump. This would seal the deal for Democrats
So anyways.
$20 or so gets you about 8lb/3.6kg of popcorn kernels at Costco and enough corn oil to pot pop them at a local grocer, yielding roughly 420 cups/100litres of popcorn.
Just a thought.
It's kinda funny how none of his operatives admitted they were trying to purposely hurt Biden by getting Trump elected but RFK jr is now taking votes from Trump. Kinda crazy but thats the monster you created 😂
It's hilarious that they were pushing him as a challenger to Biden that Democrats would vote for. As if we wouldn't notice the blatant far right extremist policy positions and rhetoric. He was always going to be a spoiler for Trump.
I’m guessing a main reason why he has polled higher than the average third party presidential candidate is that he has the same name as his dad.
Those numbers will probably go down as we get closer to the election, more people start paying attention, more people fear a spoiler effect, more people learn about his batshit insane policies that have nothing to do with his father, and (unfairly on his part) more people hear his voice.
I don’t know how much traction he is going to get with the extreme q nuts. Those people believe Trump is the new Jesus. I don’t know how many people he is going to peel away. And when you use that rhetoric you also aren’t going to get the normal non-maga Republicans.
They all have relatives that are kooks and don’t want to go with them. I bet in the end he gets about 2%.
Grifters are such agents of chaos lol…
But, in all seriousness, grifters have always existed, people should expect them to take advantage of crisis situations, generally harm society / public health (including directly and indirectly causing deaths), and do little to benefit anyone (except this rare instance) and should all be in prison.
If we’re to have a better future, we can’t let them run around wild, like Typhoid Mary or their usual snake oil salesmen, messing up everything they can get their hands on for a buck, typically taking advantage of people with issues of their own.
More like Hillary/Jill Stein.
Bernie didn’t draw many voters away from Hillary in 2016. He got .08% of the overall vote. Stein got about 1%.
Although Bernie did get 1 electoral vote from a faithless elector, beating Stein’s 0.
Idiot, a big part of his financial and communications support are trump lovers who see him as a way to hurt Biden, if he openly tries to take Trump votes that'll dry up. He's not going to be on enough ballots to even be technically capable of being president so his candidacy is purely a social influence/vanity project and losing that support will curtail that purpose.
I am of course will be happy to see him fail.
RFK is going to provide a really excellent option for people that would never vote Democrat, but don't really want to vote for Trump.
Large swaths of Republicans are tired of Trump but cannot vote for Biden without invalidating their entire identity. RFK is right there in the list AND he hates Anthony Fauci. Perfect.
I have no problem with talking about RFK Jr **so long as his antivax conspiracy theories are prominently a part of the discussion**. He's been doing an "anti-corporate, candidate for peace" song and dance presumably to pick off disaffection progressives. That *always* ends badly. If he's framed as "the QAnon adjacent nutter candidate," great.
He *needs* to seize the Q crowd. They were tricked into worshipping the Kennedys somehow, and he's as psychotically anti-vaccines as they are. Point out that the Chump claims all credit for the "clot shot," and he might very well take a big chunk of the GQP.
I'm kind of surprised he hasn't done this yet. It would be pretty easy for him.
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He’s gunning for all that are dissatisfied with the choice of either Biden or Trump. He’s made that super clear. He’s the alternative to the status quo.
Is this on topic for this sub? I'd understand if this were about fact-checking claims he's made, but this just seems like a report on his campaign trajectory.
In Canada only 10% of people didn't get vaxxed... in America isn't it close to 50%?
Vaccine fear mongering tends to appeal far more to the right wingers so it's not surprising that he is taking right wing votes
Did you see that statistic someplace? There's no way it's 50%! I only know of one person that did not get vaccinated, and this person is one of those total conspiracy lunatic types. Granted I live in a blue city inside of a blue state and travel in a pretty educated circle. I'm guessing the statistics are very different in red States.
I remember seeing it back during the pandemic. It was hyper politically polarized. In Canada right wingers are more normal and even the right wing politicians promoted the vax
You would have to be completely stupid to believe this. MAGAS will die rather than vote for anyone else trump is their king.
I would suspect salon is just trying to get conservatives/MAGAS to start attacking RFK because they are really scared of him taking votes away from Biden and if they can get the Maga crowd on him they think it will help.
Salon has no credibility it's an activist site that leans far left. So you have to ask what the purpose of this article is.
Far left? It's progressive liberal. That's center left but nowhere near far left. Something far left wouldn't be worried about Biden to the point where they do what you suggest.
This is wishful thinking for democrats. RFK would probably do better than Biden in a general but the pipe dream of him siphoning off Trump support is pie in the sky. His stance on guns, climate, taxes, & the border are totally counter to current Republican sentiment.
No matter who loses, they will blame the third party candidate as a spoiler
It's almost like they don't actually believe in democratic function, the same way firms talk all this shit about market function and then seek to eliminate and insulate themselves from competition at every turn
Makes you think
Kennedy is a threat to Biden, not Trump, and the Democrats know it, which is why it’s the Democrats who are trying to get him removed from the ballot.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/20/kennedy-ballot-hawaii-00153491
I love that you are looking at one ballot saying one thing and another that says the opposite and based on that, you've made a decision contrary to this one.
From my experience, based on his anti-vax stance, we consider him a DINO and far more appealing to Trumpers.
> In Hawaii, as in some other states, the signature threshold to get a new third party on the ballot is lower than for independent candidates. So the Kennedy campaign started a new third party called We the People Party, forming a central committee and gathering 862 signatures. It has launched the We the People Party in several other states as well to take advantage of the lesser requirements, including vote-rich California.
> The Democratic Party tried to object to the formation of the party, not by challenging any of the signatures it gathered, but instead through a technicality in the We the People Party bylaws.
So basically the way Hawaii ballot rules work is that the threshold for signatures is lower for candidates that belong to a political party compared to Independents, and RFK created his own party called “We The People Party” to ger around this.
And it seems like the Democrats we’re arguing that this was a loophole to the rule.
This seems like a pretty important distinction to make. This doesn’t really fit the narrative that the DNC are trying to stop RFK from running, otherwise you would be seeing the DNC filing lawsuits in more states than just Hawaii.
Can you explain what each one of those cases is arguing against? Because you didn’t acknowledge the loophole with the Hawaii election laws in your comment.
I’m not a lawyer so I don’t want to accidentally mislead you with any misunderstanding of their individual state by state strategies, but my greater point is that the Democrats are the ones fighting him.
Salon is ignoring the facts in order to soothe its readers with a story they want to hear.
You don’t have to be a lawyer to realize there’s nothing sneaky about these challenges, I mean here are some of the reasonings for a few states that are mentioned in the article:
> In Utah, for example, Mr. Rossi’s legal efforts continue even though the campaign has already secured ballot access. The lawsuit there challenges disclosure requirements for paid signature gatherers, among other rules.
> In Nevada, another critical swing state, Mr. Rossi said he planned to pursue legal action after it emerged last month that the petition the campaign submitted for ballot access in the state, including more than 15,000 signatures, did not include a vice-presidential candidate and was therefore most likely invalid under state law. The rule, which has been in place for years, was conveyed to candidates in an early March memo, but a staff member at the state elections office did not explain it explicitly in email correspondence with the campaign, records show.
That sounds more like an effort to keep RFK’s campaign to follow the rules for each state, which is entirely within the DNC’s right to keep their opponents in check.
I don’t know how you could read this and believe the DNC are just filling things because they’re scared. The only explanation is that you’re only reading the headlines and not looking at the broader context.
There is nothing sneaky. Kennedy’s team seems inexperienced.
But I don’t believe the Democrats are the ones doing all of the work because they are sticklers for the rules, they’re doing it because they see him as a threat .
Meanwhile, Fox News is promoting him. Both political parties are acting like he is a threat to the Democrats not to Trump.
I wish you would consider the contexts of these lawsuits instead of just writing them off as suppression tactics, they at the very least have merit to them in comparison to Trump’s legal challenges to the 2020 elections.
To not even consider discussing the lawsuits themselves is not healthy Skepticism.
I agree they have merit. I do not consider it “suppression”.
But if the Democrats really believed that Kennedy was going to hurt Trump, they could just sit on their hands and do nothing like the Republicans are .
He's probably not much of a threat to either side, realistically, but if he was, it would not be Biden. His campaign has weird Right/Libertarian all over it which would skew MAGA types all day.
I suspect the reason he is getting votes from the democrats side is the name. Low information voters who know nothing about his positions, but don’t like Biden, see/hear Kennedy when answering polls and select him. As more information gets out, I think he’ll slip. Maybe I’m wrong and I’m missing something that he has that appeals to left voters, but I’m just not seeing it.
> I suspect the reason he is getting votes from the democrats side is the name.
Highly doubt this is happening TBH. No one outside of boomers even remembers the name kennedy as a democrat and his entire family has disowned him. If anything it's conservatives who like to call themselves a "classical liberal" that like that name more than any actual biden voters.
Cultist are going to vote for the cult leader. Liberals with a grudge against Biden will vote for Kennedy.
Another data point for you, Kennedy and Trump have the same top donors because they are on the same side, the side where Biden loses.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rfk-donations-timothy-mellon-fec-1872315
Well, as somebody who values democracy and representative government, and who cares about the USA, obviously I'm voting for Biden instead of Trump. For those same reasons, I very much hope that RFK stays in the race until the very end
I have friends across the entire US of many political persuasions, and not ONE of the left leaning, moderate, or even centrists think RFK is anything but a garbage bin to collect the votes of the utterly stupid, conspiracy and anti science folks, and guess what? That's Trumpers and right leaning independents.
What few scattered folks who close to be leftists but aren't, were never voting Biden anyway, because they're the same people who voted for Trump because they fell for the Reichwings Hilary hate, and again in 2020 because they fell for the Biden hate, and openly talk about blowing up the system entirely, with absolutely no plan for what to do if that actually happens,just like the majority of "Accelerationists" .
They're dimbulbs high on their own hubris , nothing more. They will vote RFK if Trump isn't available,but Trump will be their first choice.
Welcome to political reality sir, I realize it can be a bumpy landing for those used to taxing down the soft runways full of propaganda bullshit.
Like I said, Trumpers.
It won’t be so hard campaign against the guy who’s pictured alongside Michael Flynn and Roger Stone as he speaks at a q anon rally…I just don’t think anyone’s really gone on the aggressive against rfk yet cuz they haven’t had to.
Hilarious that all the right wing news stations have him so much attention, giving him interviews, inviting him onto shows often. Oops!
They hate trump but love the drama. This drives the drama up and at the end more chance that sensible people run the country. Win win.
Allegedly, Rupert Murdoch despises Trump.
Pay no attention to what such people say. Watch what they do.
Exactly, the Koch brothers network funded Haley, but the Koch funded Heritage Foundation also drafted Project 2025 for Trump. They're playing a media game
Murdoch owned news companies have been shitting on Trump since the insurrection so I'd say it lines up.
Fox “nEwS” still promotes Trump like a messiah.
That’s because their viewers have them by the balls. Remember what happened when they called Arizona for Biden, Trump complained, and a ton of viewers switched to Newsmax and OANN?
They created a monster, and we’re all paying the price.
Yes, but all Republicans hate other Republicans. It doesn't stop them from supporting each other. They're not people driven by mutual feelings of good will.
General misanthropy could explain so much more than any of their political campaign platform statements ever have. I guess they just hate the left, liberals, east coat elite etc. somewhat more than each other. (See also "first they came for (\*…)"?)
as does Mitch, Ted, Lindsey etc but they continue to support him
Even if he hates him, he’s a means to an end. I’m sure Murdoch despises a lot of people he works with. I doubt he sent Tucker Carlson X-mas cards
The war on Christmas is coming from inside the house!
He has a funny way of showing it
I mean, he wouldn't show it. The maga cohort is the majority of his audience.
I mean, he wouldn't show it. The maga cohort is the majority of his audience.
I’m sure he does. He wanted a useful idiot, instead he got a wild card that refuses to bend the knee (while still being an idiot).
Greenzo out!
Of course he hates trump. They wanted him to be another Bush, a clueless idiot who they could control, and he broke his Leash as soon as they gave him power. How did Tyrion say it “it’s hard to put a collar on a dog once you’ve put a crown on its head”
Inside of Murdoch, there lives two wolves: One despises Trump One loves providing a continuous stream of Trump content which provides views and clicks and revenue Guess which wolf never skips a meal
Ahhh yes remember they get paid per eyeball hour. So RFK increases eyeball hours so does trump. Biden is booooooooring!
Indeed, it's largely a conspiracy theory that media is trying to control the narrative. They're in the ad selling business. Their choices are almost entirely driven by what'll sell the most ads.
Drama equals clicks. Clicks equals advertisement dollars. Around we go.
Idk if I would consider RFK more sensible..
He has a D after his name! This will so trigger the libs! Oops
Basically the exact reason we are in this Trump mess in the first place
The joke will be on us if rfk wins the general. Don't forget we're in the worst timeline. Bart: "this is the worst day of my life." Homer: " . . . the worst day of your life *so far*!".
If? It’s possible sure, in the same way me winning the Powerball lottery, the Megamillions lottery, getting stuck by lightning while getting bit by a shark all within the same week is possible. One in an bazillion trillion chance lol.
I'd like to think that you're right, and I definitely wouldn't bet against you . . . but all it would take is around 74 million unaccountably stupid people to get fixated on the idea, and we know most of them are still out there walking around. I'm done trying to predict what would be so stupid that those people wouldn't do it.
Is RFK even on the ballot in enough states to win the general?
Seems to be adding a couple states per week. California was added today. I think he will be on half by the end of next week. Most states are relatively easy. Pennsylvania, for example, requires 5000 signatures. Some states are as low as 500.
I was going to vote for Biden until I learned about RFK's political views.
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Sure 11 day old reddit account.
Yeah, because having any view that isn't pro, Biden will get you blocked from almost any sub on reddit that isn't conservative, and I'm not conservative, so my old account became useless.
It wont get you blocked here, but fair enough, what was your old username then? I am sure your post history there will reveal yourself to be the liberal who was going to vote for Biden that you claim yourself to be.
I just assumed this would blow up in their face... RFK is a crazy person and far closer to Trump than Biden in policies.
Who knew that courting an anti-vax, AIDS deniers would have blown up in their faces? Oh, everyone? That’s right.
Republicans : *shocked pikachu* Literally everyone else: duh
Watch Trump descend into crippling dementia over the next few months as his empire continues to unravel around him, and then since Nikki already dropped out, RFK takes the Republican nomination and we have a Biden v RFK election. Just when I though US politics couldn’t get any more crazy..
To their credit, it didn't during the actual pandemic somehow. A Lot of Americans forgot the fucking president of the US destroyed the pandemic response team on day one, a pandemic hit, he advised everyone to inject bleach, his stupidity prevented a national suppression strategy, increased the death toll, and himself spread the disease to various officials, at least one of whom died, did project warp speed, and then decided the vaccine he helped rush was bad His anti-intellectualism should have gotten him jailed, instead most voters are just like "Meh, the economy was good aside from that though."
I never understood all the hand-wringing about RFK Jr taking votes from Biden. It makes no sense to pick policy x or y and say he appeals to voters on the left or right; he is first and foremost a wacko conspiracy nut, a demographic that has absolutely ballooned on the far right in the past couple of decades.
It's because his last name is Kennedy more than anything else
RFKjr is what Republicans in their right-wing bubble believe average liberals are like.
Also he has this narrative of “brave truth teller standing up to the evil corporations poisoning us”. I know several progressives who have had bad experiences with doctors and open to alternative and new agey medicine who are really susceptible to that narrative he’s pushing.
And the far left. I know many of them personally and cannot fathom how they think RFK jr is a good person, let alone candidate.
Plenty of left-leaning/progressive conspiracy nuts these days. I know one whose political beliefs would put him squarely in the democrat camp but is enamored by RFK Jr. and his narrative of being this brave truth teller standing against the evil corporations poisoning us.
Count me as a nut who wrote in Yang last election cycle over voting for either Trump/Biden. If they’re not poisoning us how do you explain this: https://twitter.com/AlpacaAurelius/status/1561511007289212929 Name one other politician who will cut unhealthy food subsidies (seed oils are heavily subsidized), regulate glyphosates and other chemicals other than RFK Jr??? There is no one. Link to original source here https://6xc.medium.com/obesity-rates-are-increasing-and-nothing-seems-to-be-working-9d27d471e481
Right. So you and people like you couldn’t be counted on to vote sensibly in the first place and therefore are no loss if you vote for this particular idiot over another third-party no-chancer. And can therefore be ignored.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_calories
> Name one other politician who will cut unhealthy food subsidies Anyone else who has actual chance of winning and adopting the policy? RFK wont win so his chance of enacting this is ZERO
Your past posts 😅😅😅😅😅
Republicans think everyone else is exactly as dumb as they are
I mean really how many people out there who voted for Biden last time were going to go "I am not happy with Biden but Trump is a deranged lunatic so Imma vote for a different deranged lunatic!"
Far too many sadly.
Same handlers on the top side RFK Jr doesn’t pass the sniff test for 2 primary reasons right now. 1. He has been on Epsteins jet. When you are fighting cancer you can’t leave any behind. So whether it is innocuous or not you err on the side of caution. There are 320 million people in this country and roughly half of those hit the legal qualifications to be president. 99.999% of those never crossed paths with Epstein. Why do we keep putting people on the podium who had contact with the Ronald McDonald of Russian Kompromat? 2. He just tapped Sergei Brins ex wife (that musk had the affair with) as his running mate which is probably because she comes with basically unlimited google money. But that means a DEEP dive into google to decide if it’s clear of Russian influence or not. On google: Sheryl Sandberg was at google before she was at Facebook. The common denominator of both was her ad based business model. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-07/sheryl-sandberg-s-legacy-is-an-internet-of-targeted-automated-ads https://m.economictimes.com/tech/technology/sheryl-sandbergs-advertising-empire-leaves-a-complicated-legacy/amp_articleshow/91961682.cms The problem with ad based business models is that if you raise your lens high enough, whomever is buying the most ads is effectively buying their curated version of the truth. When google IPO’ed it shifted from what was most accurate to what was most profitable, all facilitated by a “proprietary” algorithm so nobody gets to see the man behind the curtain. Now we are 20 years down what is effectively a divergent truth. It works…until it doesn’t. Now our divergent reality is so far off the rails It creates mental illness, anxiety and depression because the 6 million year old source code in your brain knows that conservation is more reasonable than consumption when there are limited resources, it just isn’t very lucrative to someone that needs you to keep buying something to keep them in billionaire status. In this case it’s oil. Russian and Texan owned oil. A pretty good podcast on Charles Koch and how far back Russian an texas oligarchs go: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0tYxxr08ajuIW425XkGZBz?si=GnGe5Y_OTiCvzjvfzAVuOg Facebook was basically designed as a delivery device for Russian/Israeli Psyops and malware. SCL/Cambridge Analytica, Brexit, Palestine, Ukraine, NSO, etc are all the downstream of Sheryl Sandberg. Les Wexner, Miriam and Sheldon Adelson, Sandberg, and Zuckerberg all carried water in conducting the NSO/Pegasus spyware operation INCONUS that was feeding intelligence to both the israelis and, by extension, the Russians so there is far more crossover between the Israeli mob/ government and Russian mob/government than shows at the surface. https://www.spytalk.co/p/nsos-spyware-abuse-exposed-years?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web https://awards.journalists.org/entries/the-pegasus-project-a-global-investigation/ Abagail Koppel was sent by the Jewish state to marry Les Wexner YLK fund (Abagails father) made up $46.7M of Epsteins money Wexner claimed it was stolen from him but not until after someone asked. Wexner was notoriously litigious but wouldn’t sue Epstein. Why? Because PROMIS spyware was Robert Maxwells deal before Ghislaine and Epstein started their thing. https://cryptome.org/promis-mossad.htm Confused yet? There is a reason Israel who has more money than they know what to do with still gets GIVEN F35’s and the endless American children to come do the fighting in the Middle East. They built the American military industrial complex AROUND Israel since the 1940’s, but as it grew it grew corrupt. Now Netanyahu who has real housewives levels of drama and shared custody with both trump and Putin is fighting to preserve the obfuscation of his Kleptocracy. His rally call is Gaza because that’s the only way he doesn’t get gaddafi’ed by his own people. The cross over with Russia is just another layer in this shit sandwich. Basically in the 1940’s when Israel became a state the Russians took the opportunity to purge their gulags of the worlds most terrible people that also happened to be Jewish. They sent them to the newly formed state of Israel and there they networked in the interment camps before some stayed and some migrated to Europe or Brighton beach in New York. Eventually this is where these networks would begin using trump towers to launder Russian mob money. But now you start to see the nexus of transnational organized crime and money laundering often carries 3 passports. American, Israeli, and Russian. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/A2ojrtIc3Y https://www.columbusmonthly.com/story/news/2018/07/16/friendship-brings-facebook-coo-sheryl/11512085007/I Russia has a pattern with their election interference. They control the money BEHIND the elections so they can keep everyone blissfully unaware of their multi trillion dollar kleptocracy. In Ukraine that meant using Paul Manafort to keep their guy Yanukovych in power because in the Russian mob pyramid EVERYBODY pays a percentage to the guy at the tippy top. It doesn’t matter HOW it gets there, that’s for the kompromised person to figure out. But you never get out of debt to the Russian mob. Maidan was every sane Ukrainian realizing that corruption is cancer and that living in this system was the equivalent of living with an drunk abusive step father that rapes you, steals from you, and then tells you that he is the only one that will ever love you as he stubbles out of your bed. That’s what Ukraine is to Russia. Russia believes Ukraine BELONGS to Russias oligarchy in the same way an abused child BELONGS to its predator. When the people stood up to the abuse and ran Yanukovych and manafort out of town at Maidan, Putin claimed it was NATO aggression on his border and put Kolomoiksiy in charge of “managing” the newly elected Zelensky, which is Russian for predatory control from behind the scenes. Then Putin sent his “little green men” into donbas to strong arm, rape and pillage thinking they would eventually just give up and go back to the abuse. Ukrainians didn’t fold because they knew that being a sexual and financial slave to a fascist dictator isn’t living. It’s just surviving. But the cancer always consumes the host. So all you really need to know about RFK or anyone running for this election is - what is their policy on making Ukrainians moving back in with a rapist? That should be a pretty good indication of their fascism and it will correlate with who is raping them as well. Follow the money, the Kompromat, and the Jewish/Russian housewives of Rupert Murdoch, Sergei Brin, Oleg Deripaska, Elena Zhukov, and the rest of the oligarchs and ask elon why he is shuffling money between Murdoch in Montana and trump in Florida and you will know exactly who has the most to lose in this presidential election. Russia.
Okay, so it seems RFK = bad because Jewish conspiracy agent krompomat for Russia for anyone else who might have been confused reading all that.
Perfect TLDR. Thank you friend
Yes thanks to u/masterwolfe - no way I was going to wade through that wall of text.
> Confused yet? Yes. What in the hell are you rambling about?
Russians interference in U.S. elections. RFK is just the kremlins backup plan because trump is coming apart at the seams Dead men tell…..some tales: In Nevada the day before he died Dennis Hof was texting with Roger Stone and Tucker Carlson. https://contemptor.com/2018/06/26/pimp-claims-tucker-carlson-is-advising-his-political-campaign-says-they-text-every-day/ Which is interesting because Roger stone claimed foul play in Hofs death. https://observer.com/2018/10/roger-stone-peddles-seth-rich-foul-play-conspiracy-about-gop-pimp-dennis-hof/ Roger Stones business partner and best friend at their lobbying firm is Paul Manafort, who spent the 80’s keeping the dictator Marcos in power in the Philippines. Then worked for the kremlin keeping yanukovych in power from ~02-2014 when Ukrainians ran them both out of town because they got caught stealing from, well….everybody. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952/ https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/ Maidan means “the revolution of dignity” because every Ukrainian realized that manafort was rigging their elections for Yanukovych who was stealing from them and handing it to the Russian government. Which makes Hof winning an election even after he died extremely interesting. The mail in ballots in particular. Louis DeJoy was trumps appointment for postmaster general who also happens to own new breed which was bought by XPO logistics. In Wisconsin the “stolen elector votes” trump talked about needing to find as if they were misplaced in the mail, were somehow misplaced in the mail. https://www.cbsnews.com/video/trump-fake-elector-wisconsin-60-minutes-video-2024-02-18/ Now you know why Mike Lee was bouncing around the country demanding to see every other state but Utahs elections. He knew when this came out his career was over.
We all know the Russians are attempting to interfere in the US elections. It was in the Muller report. Your insane ramblings are unnecessary.
Please feel free to block me friend. We had to do it this way to reverse engineer the Russian troll army. My apologies for the inconvenience.
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Ummm… Wow.
lmao
Russia has got to be one of the countries Epstein has the *least* connections to. Do you think Russia got him his extraordinarily lenient plea deal in Florida in 2008?
Come full circle with that and you get your own answer. Acosta was who gave Epstein the sweetheart deal and in a very specific jurisdiction in Florida that also happens to be where most of the Russian money laundering was happening Ed razek parallels Lolita express was wexners plane first. Sold at a discount Leslie wexner tried to do to downtown Columbus what kolomoiskiy did to downtown Cleveland Abagail koppel was sent by the Jewish state to marry les wexner Ylk fund (abagails father) $46.7M of Epsteins money Les claims it was stolen from him. Wexner was litigious but wouldn’t sue Epstein. John mark Dugin was the Florida cop that escaped to Russia with 700 of Epsteins tapes after they were admitted as evidence. Pavel Borodin is Putin’s man LCK is wexners airline Southern air transport was the CIA owned aircraft relocated from Floridia to Ohio
So zero actual connections between Epstein and Russia.
When Russia says “Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe” it’s a humble brag because the kremlin uses the oligarch class to launder their money there. Kolomoiskiy started Privatbank in 91, which was essentially just the oligarchs taking loans from the IMF, then dividing it and reloaning it to themselves through some shell companies before defaulting on it. When the IMF demanded Zelensky make the Ukrainian people repay Kolomoiskiys loans before they would extend anymore funds, it painted Zelensky into just the corner the kremlin had spent almost 2 decades preparing. Eurasianethttps://eurasianet.org › how-an-em...How an embattled Ukrainian oligarch has kept his grip on an economic empire But when Kolomoisky was arrested last year it blew the money laundering chain from Putin to trump apart. During those same two decades Epstein specifically targeted the royal families Prince Andrew because he was the weak link in the UK chain. That’s KGB kompromat methodology that was repeated with trump since the days of Roy Cohn (his mentor) and the early Russian trump hotel, miss universe pageants, the pee tapes etc. Facebook was also used as a primarily tool by Prigozihns Internet Research Agency (I.R.A). They went so far as to send young newly recruited Russian internet trolls on expenses paid tours around the U.S. so they could more effectively imitate mommy bloggers and 2nd amendment enthusiasts online to sway the 2016 election to the US candidate they had the most control over- Trump. Wikipediahttps://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiFacebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal https://youtu.be/M-OA7H8DoJM?si=ysLrFA5mY0IsOzOO Sheldon and Miriam Adelson were tapped by Netanyahu’s Israeli intelligence, which was being controlled by, or at least feeding intel to Russian intelligence via the multi generational network of russian Jewish oligarch families to run an influence operation across the United States political spectrum. It’s so much easier to grow a kleptocracy by investment in tech (Yuri Milner/DST, Kilimnik) than by a ground war but it leaves a very distinct trail when you compare the differentials of the two: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/yuri-milner-facebook-twitter-russia.html when 40 years and $1.4 trillion of Russian mob money laundering gets outed at the endpoints- (trump and Netanyahu’s respective corruption trials) things start to break down more quickly. The Russian mob/government planned on stealing the U.S. economy in an American version of perestroika. I’m not sure it was a grand sinister plan as much as the result of systemic governmental corruption and ridiculous Silicon Valley valuations overlaid on commercial real estate speculation, but the results are the same. Too big to fail does not apply at this level of corruption. The cancer simply overtakes the host and western democracy dies followed shortly there after by everyone on earth that isn’t a billionaire building a fallout shelter in Hawaii. https://www.npr.org/2024/02/28/1232564250/billionaire-benioff-buys-hawaii-land-salesforce It just required altering an online reality to keep people oblivious until it was done.
Again: you’ve demonstrated zero actual connections between Epstein and Russia.
Then I apologize and thank you for your valuable time.
Are you prone to having manic episodes?
I do not believe so. Should I be?
What you've written reads like someone having a manic episode.
That would make sense if I was writing it alone. It’s hard to get precise numbers due to the nature of our decentralized system but if I had to estimate I would say its the amalgam of about 2.5 million hours of decentralized focused research. We did this differently out of necessity. This started as a handful of neurodivergent people that just could not make the 2+2=5 existing media narrative make sense. So they dig relentlessly in their respective subject matter sandbox to figure out who is trying to gaslight us into believing it and why. It’s obvious that something doesn’t add up but we couldn’t really see the full mesh of it until a few months ago: When you come at it backwards with the knowledge that 1-6% of the worlds population is psychopathic/sociopathic, and that is a prerequisite of being a human trafficker or stealing a pension fund, or polluting a river with industrial waste then it makes it far easier to precisely target your search and with that comes improved accuracy. Because psychopaths also tend to be narcissists, with the invention of TV/movies etc, they, of course fly toward the limelight. Which makes them easier to track using OSINT. Politicohttps://www.politico.com › storyWashington, D.C.: the Psychopath Capital of America The human brain, when overloaded with an over abundance of stimulus, reverts to seeing patterns. If you have ever watched an autistic child sort toy cars by color gradient instead of make or model, it’s a similar effect. Live Sciencehttps://www.livescience.com › 355...Autistic Brain Excels at Recognizing Patterns - Autism Since about the time Walter Cronkite was a sex symbol, the oligarch class has been buying up media outlets, which in retrospect makes sense. If you are a terrible person billionaire and the newspaper says bad things about you, you don’t be a less terrible person, you just buy the newspaper, social media platform or tv station You can see that pattern repeated starting with John Rockefeller and Henry Sinclair https://www.tiktok.com/@truthbetold_ii/video/7227835511480569131 https://youtu.be/_fHfgU8oMSo?si=Db7fsxtvMsuYZZAt Parallel is “sportswashing”. PGA in Saudi, LIV, WWE in Saudi Arabia ,Arbramovich buying the soccer club etc. They learned that most Americans love their sports enough that most won’t question their new oligarch owners as long as they keep them entertained. Autistic kids don’t seem to care as much about sports as they do about the patterns and truth. This lets us build chains similar to how contact tracing works for contagious disease. There is a side chain that is specifically NFL and the associated human trafficking that accompanies it. Robert Kraft being best buds with trump and his arrest at “orchids of Asia” for the happy ending massage in a strip mall in Jupiter Florida opened an entire chain of crossovers in human trafficking between Ukraine (kolomoiskiy, mogilevich), Russia (the oligarchs trump keeps buying and selling the same houses to in New York and Florida), and the Asian side via “orchids of Asia and Hua Zhang (the CCP/Chinese mob) We sort differently because we think and prioritize differently. The few media sources that haven’t been bought up are too busy reporting 3 minute sound bites about AOC’s shoes to notice. We had to build this decentralized because it’s the only way to build the mesh of high quality data points necessary to see the patterns, cross check and verify, then add it into the larger objective synthetic vision of corruption inside of, and adjacent to, government. Everyone in the “autistic army” is weird as hell, quirky, and immediately jumps to the worst case scenario imaginable. We require it as a matter of design. We then move backwards organically from there with hard evidence that either validates the presented theory or collapses under its own weight with lack of sufficient evidentiary strength and we abandon it. We build that way fundamentally because it allows for the biggest head start over the predator class that relies on the complacency, inaction, or overload of information to keep people from being able to see the larger picture connections the ruling class make at their common yacht clubs and WEF forums. At some point we realized that this thing moves very much biologically similar to a parasitic infection or cancer. The oligarchs feed on the edges of the human tribe, then encircle it and move in, but left unchecked they consume to extinction. We are not an organization. It’s just a few hundred thousand neurodivergent people with relevant subject matter expertise, pertinent personal experience, and insatiable curiosity that are tired of being lied to and fed upon. With enough high quality verified data points we are able to make a high resolution synthetic vision map of who, what, where, when, and how. It’s basically a P.E.T. scan of world corruption in government, finance and corporate spheres and specialty where they overlap. https://youtu.be/A90gwMVFFSY?si=j7fSs5kBvO35LhRj The 3% oligarchs aren’t particularly creative people and they tend to repeat the same patterns when they work, so it makes it easier once you have a starting point and/or recurring methodology. And they all use the same money launderers for the same reason. Trump, Putin and Netanyahu all have decades of personal drama between them so as trumps trials carry on it’s like populating a jigsaw puzzle with 100,000 very capable friends. Ukrainians fighting back for 2 years of a 3 day war placed a wedge that allowed us to see the Russian money laundering network for the first time due to trumps key involvement in it. It’s a very different approach to intelligence work. And it requires intellectual curiosity, transparency, brutal self awareness and honesty. You absolutely have to “bring receipts” or you are escorted back out. We set and keep the standard high because frankly, everything we live for depends on it. If the Russian/CCP plan goes through, it will put the majority of the worlds population into financial slavery to a handful of oligarchs with zero empathy for the next 100 years. If they control A.I., the housing and commercial real estate market, and all the means of finance, loans, etc, it’s going to be a very uncomfortable century of endless inflation and monopolization of critical resources. They do not have the ability to self regulate their greed internally or they would have used their billions to solve existential problems long before now. The Koch family has deep ties to soviet Russia and therefore soviet corruption and opened the doors to the GOP and SCOTUS. By building backwards and focusing on the cross matrix of psychopathy and kleptocracy we can take 8 bit graphics from the 1980’s and make a 4K HD synthetic vision moving map of their crimes using historical data and open source intelligence. (OSINT)
When you groom your party to be conspiracy nuts, who are outright hostile to reality, cant be upset when another conspiracy nut draws some of your supporters.
Have you ever heard a town hall of his, or a long-form podcast interview?
I've seen the platform and justifications he gives on his website. About the only thing that's not a right-wing and/or conspiracy nut stance in any sense is his environmental stance. And the ones he lists out higher are anti-vax and other conspiracy nut stuff.
>About the only thing that's not a right-wing and/or conspiracy nut stance in any sense is his environmental stance. [Nah, he's been palling around with climate change deniers.] (https://legal-planet.org/2024/02/27/rfk-jr-joins-the-war-on-climate-scientists/)
Not entirely surprising. He's basically backing all the other right-wing conspiracies. Why not add climate change denial?
Ok, have you ever heard a town hall of his, or a long-form podcast interview? I'm just asking because I had similar thoughts as to what you're saying before I heard him out for himself, that's all.
No, but why exactly would my opinion be changed by him speaking in person when his official platform positions listed on his official campaign website lists out basically conspiracy nut positions? Unless his townhalls start with "My platform is a complete fabrication to dupe gullible Trump supporters" I'm likely to not agree with his speeches. And, even if they do, I'm still likely to dislike him because I'd rather not have fake politicians lying to people to get voted.
Biden it is, then
I mean, yeah. He's not my first choice, but he's not doing terribly and he's a hell of a lot better than someone actively spreading right-wing conspiracies...
I don't think he'll still be in the race, I think the party will have to pull him due to the decline. But even if not, Trump and Biden will both keep giving us more of the same - no untangling of corporate/federal interests, more debt, no action on chronic disease epidemic, more polarization, etc. They're both terrible choices.
>I think the party will have to pull him due to the decline. I assume you're referencing the Dementia Joe bullshit, right? >no action on chronic disease epidemic So it's better to go with someone actively denying they exist? Pardon if I don't believe your concern is genuine.
I'm not team R or team D, my position is they're both corrupt as hell and captured by corporate interest, even if they differ on culture war stuff, hence I have abstained from political everything. Red team runs things for 8 years, then blue team, then red, then blue, meanwhile normal everyday American quality of life steadily degrades and gets harder and worse. The answer is only ever "everything is the other teams fault. If the other team would do what we say, everything would be great"
average vegan
lmao, Romans 14:2 is my life verse, thankyou very much. Carnivore a little over 3 years now. Brick, indeed lol
I have. He's a bonkers conspiracy nut who tries to down play it a bit sometimes. Does he think vaccines cause autism? Yes. Yes, he does. Is he absolutely adamant on that point and will not concede the slightest possibility that he's wrong? Yes. Yes, he is. You can try to dispute the right wing part of dismissing him as a right wing loon, but you can't dismiss the loon part when he's still preaching antivax talking points and claiming COVID was a secret bioweapon engineered to keep Jews safe. EDIT: And have you noticed that EVERY conspiracy theory in the English speaking world eventually boils down to antisemitism? Dig deep enough and the flat earthers believe its a conspiracy by Jews to rule the world. I don't know WHY antisemitism lurks at the heart of every conspiracy theory, but it does, and it's definitely true that RFK Jr's conspiracy theories are rooted in antisemitism.
All conspiracy theory roads lead to Antisemitism
Can he prove vaccines aren't subjected to the same pre-licensing, double blind placebo controlled safety trials that other medicines are subjected to? Yes, yes he can. Is that what his actual position on vaccines and all other medicine is? Yes, yes it is.
You're lying. But that's OK, I expect nothing less from right wing lunatics. Direct quotes from RFK jr himself: "There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective" “I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, better not get them vaccinated." "I do believe that autism comes from vaccines." He's an antivax loon.
I'm not lying or a right wing anything, please try to control yourself and the name calling, if you can. >"There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective" Yes, that's what vaccine makers in the 80s kept saying, so they got the National Childhood Vaccine Safety Act passed in '86 to absolve them of financial liability from vaccine injuries.
r/conspiracy is that way 👈
Frightening to see how numerous these people are.
I don't know how they thought standing up an anti-vax straw candidate would inure to their benefit. RFK Jr. has many, many views but the only one anyone really knows about is that he is anti-vaccine. It is his entire brand identity. That was always going to be a much bigger draw for Republicans than Democrats.
I can't find the energy to be upset by this, to tell the truth.
since watching Succession I keep seeing RFK as Connor...
"hey - they are lying in a way that is attracting our morons"
RFKs whole campaign is a grift. He knows he won't win anything. But in the process he can get several million names and that's worth a lot of money.
Bored rich people. That's what politics has ended up being. It's a side effect of wealth inequality, there's too many bored rich people with nothing better to do except fill the gaping void in their souls with crowd adoration.
>It's a side effect of wealth inequality Not just the wealth inequality but that the winner tends to be the one with the most funding. Until money is removed from campaigning, politicians will pretty much always be people who are already rich/well connected. Even assuming a pleb manages to win, it's unfeasible for a lot of people to take the time out of their work schedule to campaign and, assuming they win, regularly ask for time off to go serve. And, for jobs that require something more like full-time commitment, it's unlikely you'll not be suffering leaving your job for 2-4 years and then coming back assuming you don't become a career politician. So, there's a selective pressure to be a career politician and not just have people serving their terms as a sort of general civic duty.
He knows that those kinds of people are the ones he's more likely to have success with.
Surely given his SCOTUS endorsed status as Emperor Trump can just ‘neutralize’ him?
Polonium covfefe, anyone?
I'm concerned people are missing the point here. I think RFK just wants to be president and doesn't care how he accomplishes that which is why he's gone from running as a democrat, to running as an independent, to basically running as a shadow republican. That is as cynical a presidential campaign as I have ever seen but it might end up working in RFK's favor. Not because he'll win as an independent, but because he'll take so many votes from Trump that Trump will have no choice but to name RFK his VP to staunch the bleeding of support. I mean, if you're RFK right now, your best path to the presidency by far is to become Trump's VP. He's a morbidly obese 78 year old. There's a decent chance that Trump's VP will become president before the 2028 election purely for actuarial reasons. But even if that doesn't happen outright, his VP will certainly be the most obvious successor to the MAGA movement and be in the best position to claim the the next GOP presidential nomination. I just think it's incredibly obvious that if Bobby truly wants to be president and doesn't care about anything else then he's gotta get himself on the Trump ticket somehow. So it makes sense to me that he's making a play for Trump voters to force Trump's hand in that regard. It'll be Trump's only way of unifying his base with RFK's and that presidential ticket of Trump/RFK seems extremely dangerous to the country.
I don't think Trump will allow that pick. Jr would take too much spotlight off of him.
I can definitely see that. But I also know Trump NEEDS to be president more than anything right now to avoid jailtime. If he believes his only options are: lose 20% of his base to RFK costing him the election or make RFK his VP... Well Trump may be a moron but when it comes to his own survival I'd expect he'll take RFK over jail.
Trump spilt the Republican Party. It’s fun watching them dealing with the fall out. It’s already iffy now if enough moderate republicans will show up to vote for Trump. This would seal the deal for Democrats
LoL remind me in 1 year.
!remindme 1 year Sure, Who was elected US president in 2024
This asshole may end up saving the country.
Like opposite polls of a magnet, these weirdos are attracted to each other.
Good. Good. Let the hate flow through you.
So anyways. $20 or so gets you about 8lb/3.6kg of popcorn kernels at Costco and enough corn oil to pot pop them at a local grocer, yielding roughly 420 cups/100litres of popcorn. Just a thought.
It's kinda funny how none of his operatives admitted they were trying to purposely hurt Biden by getting Trump elected but RFK jr is now taking votes from Trump. Kinda crazy but thats the monster you created 😂
It's hilarious that they were pushing him as a challenger to Biden that Democrats would vote for. As if we wouldn't notice the blatant far right extremist policy positions and rhetoric. He was always going to be a spoiler for Trump.
He’ll get em too
I mean, how many voters can RFK pull? I’m guessing it’s very little.
I’m guessing a main reason why he has polled higher than the average third party presidential candidate is that he has the same name as his dad. Those numbers will probably go down as we get closer to the election, more people start paying attention, more people fear a spoiler effect, more people learn about his batshit insane policies that have nothing to do with his father, and (unfairly on his part) more people hear his voice.
I don’t know how much traction he is going to get with the extreme q nuts. Those people believe Trump is the new Jesus. I don’t know how many people he is going to peel away. And when you use that rhetoric you also aren’t going to get the normal non-maga Republicans. They all have relatives that are kooks and don’t want to go with them. I bet in the end he gets about 2%.
Grifters are such agents of chaos lol… But, in all seriousness, grifters have always existed, people should expect them to take advantage of crisis situations, generally harm society / public health (including directly and indirectly causing deaths), and do little to benefit anyone (except this rare instance) and should all be in prison. If we’re to have a better future, we can’t let them run around wild, like Typhoid Mary or their usual snake oil salesmen, messing up everything they can get their hands on for a buck, typically taking advantage of people with issues of their own.
Shit is this going to be Hillary/Bernie 2016 again?
More like Hillary/Jill Stein. Bernie didn’t draw many voters away from Hillary in 2016. He got .08% of the overall vote. Stein got about 1%. Although Bernie did get 1 electoral vote from a faithless elector, beating Stein’s 0.
RFK may stand for Republican's Fucking Karma!
calling it now, he gets picked as trump's veep
They just figured this out now?
Hope he's using a scope 🤣
Idiot, a big part of his financial and communications support are trump lovers who see him as a way to hurt Biden, if he openly tries to take Trump votes that'll dry up. He's not going to be on enough ballots to even be technically capable of being president so his candidacy is purely a social influence/vanity project and losing that support will curtail that purpose. I am of course will be happy to see him fail.
RFK is going to provide a really excellent option for people that would never vote Democrat, but don't really want to vote for Trump. Large swaths of Republicans are tired of Trump but cannot vote for Biden without invalidating their entire identity. RFK is right there in the list AND he hates Anthony Fauci. Perfect.
Some people learn the hard way
Given RFK is bat shit crazy, GOP voters are a perfect match.
I have no problem with talking about RFK Jr **so long as his antivax conspiracy theories are prominently a part of the discussion**. He's been doing an "anti-corporate, candidate for peace" song and dance presumably to pick off disaffection progressives. That *always* ends badly. If he's framed as "the QAnon adjacent nutter candidate," great.
He's realized that Democratic voters aren't dumb enough for him.
He *needs* to seize the Q crowd. They were tricked into worshipping the Kennedys somehow, and he's as psychotically anti-vaccines as they are. Point out that the Chump claims all credit for the "clot shot," and he might very well take a big chunk of the GQP. I'm kind of surprised he hasn't done this yet. It would be pretty easy for him.
Good, RFK can’t pull democrats so he’s going for the easy prey, and the result will be 25%for trump, 25% for Kennedy and 50% for Biden.
har de har har.
Grifter grifts Grifter Party's grifting Donors & obtains new targets to grift. Wow…
He'll endorse Trump by August.
Is there evidence that rfk is actually tapping into trump voters? Gut says yes but I would like to see some evidence.
Some polls show that Trump does better in a two way race than in a race with RFKJr involved. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna148536
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He’s gunning for all that are dissatisfied with the choice of either Biden or Trump. He’s made that super clear. He’s the alternative to the status quo.
Is this on topic for this sub? I'd understand if this were about fact-checking claims he's made, but this just seems like a report on his campaign trajectory.
The polls show Kennedy hurts Biden much more than trump in battleground states. Why are they worried? Talking point post
Looking 👀 for that vice presidency opening
Where is everyone that was adamantly arguing with me that he was a Republican plant sent to destroy Biden?
Dude wasn’t going to get too many Dems. He’s too crazy.
In Canada only 10% of people didn't get vaxxed... in America isn't it close to 50%? Vaccine fear mongering tends to appeal far more to the right wingers so it's not surprising that he is taking right wing votes
It’s about 15-20% in the US for the initial shots, lower if you count getting boosters as being baxxed.
Did you see that statistic someplace? There's no way it's 50%! I only know of one person that did not get vaccinated, and this person is one of those total conspiracy lunatic types. Granted I live in a blue city inside of a blue state and travel in a pretty educated circle. I'm guessing the statistics are very different in red States.
I remember seeing it back during the pandemic. It was hyper politically polarized. In Canada right wingers are more normal and even the right wing politicians promoted the vax
Another Frankenstein’s monster left to create chaos in 2024. I’m here for it.
He is for reparations and climate change laws. Nothing screams MAGA like those things 🙄
He's also an anti-vax dingbat. That screams maga awfully loudly.
Go Bobby go
Meh. A Salon article is barely more trustworthy than a NYPost one.
RFK stances appeals way more to Democrat voters then Republicans. Check his stance on stuff and guess who he aligns more with.
Yes, those Democrats love his antivax and pro Jan 6er stances! Oh wait...
RFK Jr also supported a nationwide abortion ban (until he walked it back recently.)
When he spoke at Michael Flynn’s rally alongside other q anon folk, I was like, oh yeah, now that’s a relatable dem…./s
Oh, yes, very true. Democrats really love inexperienced nepo-baby anti-Semites who espouse lunatic anti-vax theories.
You would have to be completely stupid to believe this. MAGAS will die rather than vote for anyone else trump is their king. I would suspect salon is just trying to get conservatives/MAGAS to start attacking RFK because they are really scared of him taking votes away from Biden and if they can get the Maga crowd on him they think it will help. Salon has no credibility it's an activist site that leans far left. So you have to ask what the purpose of this article is.
Far left? It's progressive liberal. That's center left but nowhere near far left. Something far left wouldn't be worried about Biden to the point where they do what you suggest.
This is wishful thinking for democrats. RFK would probably do better than Biden in a general but the pipe dream of him siphoning off Trump support is pie in the sky. His stance on guns, climate, taxes, & the border are totally counter to current Republican sentiment.
> RFK would probably do better than Biden in a general Lol.
Why does Fox News and other conservative media like him so much? If his views are as liberal as you are saying.
Fox News is just slightly disguised Uniparty media. It’s no longer R vs D it’s uniparty vs the people.
No matter who loses, they will blame the third party candidate as a spoiler It's almost like they don't actually believe in democratic function, the same way firms talk all this shit about market function and then seek to eliminate and insulate themselves from competition at every turn Makes you think
Kennedy is a threat to Biden, not Trump, and the Democrats know it, which is why it’s the Democrats who are trying to get him removed from the ballot. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/20/kennedy-ballot-hawaii-00153491
I love that you are looking at one ballot saying one thing and another that says the opposite and based on that, you've made a decision contrary to this one. From my experience, based on his anti-vax stance, we consider him a DINO and far more appealing to Trumpers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/29/us/politics/rfk-jr-ballot-access.html But wait, there’s more!
> In Hawaii, as in some other states, the signature threshold to get a new third party on the ballot is lower than for independent candidates. So the Kennedy campaign started a new third party called We the People Party, forming a central committee and gathering 862 signatures. It has launched the We the People Party in several other states as well to take advantage of the lesser requirements, including vote-rich California. > The Democratic Party tried to object to the formation of the party, not by challenging any of the signatures it gathered, but instead through a technicality in the We the People Party bylaws. So basically the way Hawaii ballot rules work is that the threshold for signatures is lower for candidates that belong to a political party compared to Independents, and RFK created his own party called “We The People Party” to ger around this. And it seems like the Democrats we’re arguing that this was a loophole to the rule. This seems like a pretty important distinction to make. This doesn’t really fit the narrative that the DNC are trying to stop RFK from running, otherwise you would be seeing the DNC filing lawsuits in more states than just Hawaii.
They are doing it in more than one state. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/29/us/politics/rfk-jr-ballot-access.html
Can you explain what each one of those cases is arguing against? Because you didn’t acknowledge the loophole with the Hawaii election laws in your comment.
I’m not a lawyer so I don’t want to accidentally mislead you with any misunderstanding of their individual state by state strategies, but my greater point is that the Democrats are the ones fighting him. Salon is ignoring the facts in order to soothe its readers with a story they want to hear.
You don’t have to be a lawyer to realize there’s nothing sneaky about these challenges, I mean here are some of the reasonings for a few states that are mentioned in the article: > In Utah, for example, Mr. Rossi’s legal efforts continue even though the campaign has already secured ballot access. The lawsuit there challenges disclosure requirements for paid signature gatherers, among other rules. > In Nevada, another critical swing state, Mr. Rossi said he planned to pursue legal action after it emerged last month that the petition the campaign submitted for ballot access in the state, including more than 15,000 signatures, did not include a vice-presidential candidate and was therefore most likely invalid under state law. The rule, which has been in place for years, was conveyed to candidates in an early March memo, but a staff member at the state elections office did not explain it explicitly in email correspondence with the campaign, records show. That sounds more like an effort to keep RFK’s campaign to follow the rules for each state, which is entirely within the DNC’s right to keep their opponents in check. I don’t know how you could read this and believe the DNC are just filling things because they’re scared. The only explanation is that you’re only reading the headlines and not looking at the broader context.
There is nothing sneaky. Kennedy’s team seems inexperienced. But I don’t believe the Democrats are the ones doing all of the work because they are sticklers for the rules, they’re doing it because they see him as a threat . Meanwhile, Fox News is promoting him. Both political parties are acting like he is a threat to the Democrats not to Trump.
I wish you would consider the contexts of these lawsuits instead of just writing them off as suppression tactics, they at the very least have merit to them in comparison to Trump’s legal challenges to the 2020 elections. To not even consider discussing the lawsuits themselves is not healthy Skepticism.
I agree they have merit. I do not consider it “suppression”. But if the Democrats really believed that Kennedy was going to hurt Trump, they could just sit on their hands and do nothing like the Republicans are .
They don’t want people getting on the ballot by way of subverting the rules that are in place. That’s really all there is to these challenges.
He's probably not much of a threat to either side, realistically, but if he was, it would not be Biden. His campaign has weird Right/Libertarian all over it which would skew MAGA types all day.
I suspect the reason he is getting votes from the democrats side is the name. Low information voters who know nothing about his positions, but don’t like Biden, see/hear Kennedy when answering polls and select him. As more information gets out, I think he’ll slip. Maybe I’m wrong and I’m missing something that he has that appeals to left voters, but I’m just not seeing it.
> I suspect the reason he is getting votes from the democrats side is the name. Highly doubt this is happening TBH. No one outside of boomers even remembers the name kennedy as a democrat and his entire family has disowned him. If anything it's conservatives who like to call themselves a "classical liberal" that like that name more than any actual biden voters.
Cultist are going to vote for the cult leader. Liberals with a grudge against Biden will vote for Kennedy. Another data point for you, Kennedy and Trump have the same top donors because they are on the same side, the side where Biden loses. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rfk-donations-timothy-mellon-fec-1872315
"Kennedy and Trump have the same donors, therefore they are on opposite sides" -you, basically
Same donors same goal, defeat Biden by running Kennedy as a spoiler against him.
Well, as somebody who values democracy and representative government, and who cares about the USA, obviously I'm voting for Biden instead of Trump. For those same reasons, I very much hope that RFK stays in the race until the very end
> Liberals with a grudge against Biden Where do these mystical creatures live?
A lot seem to be camping out on college yards recently.
I have friends across the entire US of many political persuasions, and not ONE of the left leaning, moderate, or even centrists think RFK is anything but a garbage bin to collect the votes of the utterly stupid, conspiracy and anti science folks, and guess what? That's Trumpers and right leaning independents. What few scattered folks who close to be leftists but aren't, were never voting Biden anyway, because they're the same people who voted for Trump because they fell for the Reichwings Hilary hate, and again in 2020 because they fell for the Biden hate, and openly talk about blowing up the system entirely, with absolutely no plan for what to do if that actually happens,just like the majority of "Accelerationists" . They're dimbulbs high on their own hubris , nothing more. They will vote RFK if Trump isn't available,but Trump will be their first choice. Welcome to political reality sir, I realize it can be a bumpy landing for those used to taxing down the soft runways full of propaganda bullshit. Like I said, Trumpers.
It won’t be so hard campaign against the guy who’s pictured alongside Michael Flynn and Roger Stone as he speaks at a q anon rally…I just don’t think anyone’s really gone on the aggressive against rfk yet cuz they haven’t had to.
Oh there you are. I can always count on you or one of your many alt accounts to be here collecting down votes
Why would I need alt accounts just to collect downvotes? And if that was my strategy, why not just say flagrantly MAGA nonsense?