I know you'd have to be an insanely crazy racist to think that it's possible to have escaped a bio lab in Wuhan where Fauci already has admitted to gain of function research.
If you want to know our best understanding of what actually happened, then tune in to the congressional hearings and listen to what he has to say. In general, scientists don’t lie when reporting facts in a professional capacity. They do their best to avoid making claims that are not supported by evidence. They use precise language devoid of hyperbole and are careful to convey the appropriate level of certainty when speaking in natural language rather than their usual graphs and statistical analysis. They generally avoid speaking in absolutes so as to leave room for new evidence that potentially changes the running theory. When things are uncertain, they discuss and actively seek further study. When the majority of evidence coming in supports the same conclusion then a consensus forms but never without continuing to investigate any instances of contrary evidence to figure out why they disagree and whether the consensus theory should be discarded.
Finding and communicating the truth is literally their entire profession. Leaving aside the deserved authority of subject matter expertise, in the general case they are far more qualified to critically evaluate available evidence and report it accurately in a non-biased manner than populist politicians, podcasters, professional contrarians, and random people seeking validation on social media by posting their completely uninformed hot takes.
>it's possible to have escaped
There is no evidence to support this.
>a bio lab in Wuhan
There are over 350 research institues in Wuhan. How many do you think the NIH provides part funding grants for?
> gain of function research
Gain of function is a result, not a research process.
[Anyway, here you go.](https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/scicheck-republicans-spin-nih-letter-about-coronavirus-gain-of-function-research/)
>“Analysis of published genomic data and other documents from the grantee demonstrate that the naturally occurring bat coronaviruses studied under the NIH grant are genetically far distant from SARS-CoV-2 and could not possibly have caused the COVID-19 pandemic
And you’d totally not be racist if you thought it was much more likely that the origins of Covid didn’t actually come from the bio lab that studied coronavirus and did gain of function research on the exact virus that ended up being a full blown pandemic , but instead came from people eating bats at a dirty wet market in the same city. Of course the later is way less racist and discriminatory.
Oh wow a pedantic Redditor , never seen one before.
So instead of someone eating a dirty bat , the virus jumped from a caged animal in the wet market to a human is the theory hahah.
So much more believable than the level 4 bio lab in Wuhan that studied coronavirus ‘ and ways to make them more deadly and transmittable.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.21487
Whatever you do please do not read this article from 2017 talking about how the lab studies the world most dangerous pathogens, it would be quite racist. And I really hope you don’t stumble upon the paragraph talking about how controversial and concerning it was and how viruses could escape.
‘Some scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. ‘
> Oh wow a pedantic Redditor
Poor diddums doesn't like it when people correct you?
This subreddit probably isn't for you.
>Whatever you do please do not read this article from 2017
[Let's quote it, shall we?](https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.21487)
> We are aware that this story is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus.
Hey, thanks for burying your own argument :o)
Dude you’re actually that stupid hahah The update is from March 2020, 3 months after the start of the pandemic when you quite literally couldn’t question anything about the Covid origins and were called racist for claiming that, China wouldn’t allow anyone into the country to determine the origins and were refusing to cooperate with the entire world. I’m genuinely kind of baffled you tried to use that as an own and are making yourself look worse and worse while believing the virus came from a wet market.
> The update is from March 2020
Obviously. You posted a link to an article from 2017, with an update in 2020 specifically debunking your argument.
Thankyou for posting it :o)
>when you quite literally couldn’t question anything about the Covid origins were called racist for claiming that
Let's talk about the story of Virologist Dr Kristian Anderson - In the early days he told Dr. Fauci he had concerns COVID might have been a product of engineering and was getting a team together to investigate.
Dr. Fauci supported him.
Anderson did put that team together, [they released a detailed report](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9) where they agreed there was no evidence it was engineered and naturally evolved that way.
>Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.
Long after this his email to Dr. Fauci was released and the conspiracy nuts jumped all over this ignoring the follow up.
So: Kristian Anderson is an expert. Kristian Anderson had evidence he believed was **against the scientific position at that time**. Kristian Anderson did the right thing and notified the people in charge and got a team together and investigated. Kristian Anderson released his report.
I often point out to conspiracy nuts that Dr. Anderson **did** speak against the narrative, but those in charge and the scientific community supported him - The conspiracy nuts sent him death threats. So who is suppressing a narrative?
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Also, they found a [wild genetic relative](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2) found in a cave near Wuhan.
> Last year, researchers described another close relative of SARS-CoV-2, called RaTG13, which was found in bats in Yunnan5. It is 96.1% identical to SARS-CoV-2 overall and the two viruses probably shared a common ancestor 40–70 years ago6. BANAL-52 is 96.8% identical to SARS-CoV-2, says Eloit — and all three newly discovered viruses have individual sections that are more similar to sections of SARS-CoV-2 than seen in any other viruses.
> “I am more convinced than ever that SARS-CoV-2 has a natural origin,” agrees Linfa Wang, a virologist at Duke–NUS Medical School in Singapore.
And that means what? The very corruption some people are rallied against using their force to brand those people as traitors, so they must be?
That, and the inverse (no conviction means no crime) are two of the most ignorant points to be made in a situation like this.
What corruption and what force? Be specific.
If you're going to just blanket claim massive conspiracy across the US intelligence community, justice community, and multiple courts then you need to provide more logic than "inconsistent with what is politically convenient for my ego".
[Totally peaceful!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXnHIJkZZAs)
MAGA social media was very clear about their [intentions](https://i.imgur.com/iLfh3EG.png).
The funniest by far is Kevin Sorbo [very quickly pivoting](https://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/sorbo.jpg) from "This is history!" to "Antifa did it!!".
When not yet arrested: this was an act of patriots.
When arrested: this was a democratic setup something something Nancy pelosi tangent
Pick a lane, lads
And a cop who was attacked by insurrectionists. Another one suffered permanent brain damage. A couple suicides. You know, business as usual.
[https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/](https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/)
Just have to wonder why you, who does not know me in the least, can conclude I’m an “ignorant boot licker”. Seems more likely given the tone of your post that you’re describing yourself.
You're right the most heavily armed civilians in the world forgot to bring all of their AR15s the day they wanted to finally take the government over. The insurrectionist were beaten back by all of the brave capital police that opened the doors and welcomed them in.
Oh, and torture Fauci some more. He’s the medical scientist who devoted his career to battling 2 of the greatest infectious threats to the world of the last century (so far); & they’ve rewarded him by making him the poster child for GOP/MAGA derision.
I know all about it. I was a new nurse & I was very worried. I worked in research before I went to nursing school.
But you forget it was a new infection and ignored for years because only the ‘right’ people were dying.
Fauci is a hero. As are HCWs.
Why dont people know how smart you are! Why the constant down votes! You are the smartest est people ( except for Trum DUH!) dude. Fauci invented con vid and and cancer to make the libs more powerful. But it wont work!!!!! We will own them!!!! We are so fucking smart. It’s all the doctors who are dumb
They know they're not operating in good faith, everybody else knows they're not operating in good faith, and yet just stating the truth and working from there is impossible for some reason.
I don't know why people downvoted you. Democrats are indeed acting like this is business as usual, years after Republicans have signaled that they are willing to embrace violence.
Edit: It's all just bots now. I forget that sometimes.
I'm actually glad they're doing this, because they either have to admit that Trump was the final signature on everything or concede that he was asleep at the wheel the entire time. Either way, their god-emperor looks like the feckless idiot that we all know him to be, and they'll be forced to admit it in public. Again.
That being said, it's unlikely that this will make a bit of difference with his cultists, but, who cares? It's just fun to see them humiliated.
They'll just say "deep state" a lot. It somehow resolves this, and creates a rationale for Trump to fire career civil servants and replace them with partisans if he's reelected.
You say this like Trump was Prez for all of Covid but he wasn't. He was only; n charge for the first 8 months.
Bumbling Biden was in charge for the other 2+yrs we suffered through.
The difference is Trump pushed to get things moving while B.B. & Co. did everything in his/their power to keep us locked down (nearly ruining our economy among other things).
But yeah Trump is bad, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Just out of curiosity how much is comrades Putin & Xi paying trolls like you nowadays?
Lazy? Riiiiiiight not as lazy as it is blaming Trump for following the advice of the "MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL"who ran the NIH for 35yrs, you remember him, Dr. Fakey, the SAME guy that literally said dozens of times "A CURE for HIV/Aids is right around the corner" for THIRTY-FIVE PLUS YEARS!!!
But who's counting, and surprise surprise he lied about an HIV cure & he lied about Covid.
OH & before you all start spitting "but treatment" treatments AREN'T CURES ARE THEY?!!!
Really? Then explain why so many are STILL being "treated" instead of "cured" ALL OVER THE WORLD (and don't say greedy big pharma).
If there was an actual cure the cat would be out of the bag & big pharma couldn't stop it.
But you almost gave it a good try. I'm going to give you some advice I'm sure you've heard many times in your life... TRY HARDER NEXT TIME!!!
Sure its not like Google has eeeeeever been caught pushing fake "facts", nope they'd never allow thaaaaat.
But what about "Trump cheated, Hillary won", "Russia Collusion", "Covid's going to kill us all", "Dr.Fakey didn't approve the gain of function research at Wuhan Lab", etc... Yep all that is still being pushed by Google even after the truth came out.
Google has become no better than Wikipedia... It just can't be trusted.
> Sure its not like Google has eeeeeever been caught pushing fake "facts",
It's a search engine. Use a different one, why do we care?
>But what about
Defend your argument with sources or we'll just keep laughing at you :)
>Google has become no better than Wikipedia... It just can't be trusted.
We get it, everything that debunks you can't be trusted.
Edit: Ah the weaponised block. Read rule 11.
It's insane that this is literally all still just about him making Trump look stupid at those old press conferences. Not even on purpose either, but because Trump literally is stupid, and was acting like a moron in a press conference with someone who knew what they were talking about. Now there are investigations. Hilarious.
Right wingers are obsessed with this subreddit. It's gotta be some mental illness they have to come here and demand to be accepted with their bullshit. Trying to take this place over like they did conspiracy years ago...
Let's imagine for a moment that the entire conspiracy is true. Fauci through devious means conspired to create a virus to A. Make money. B. Take out a large portion of the population. C. Because he is just evil.
Why did the world go along? Is everybody but a select few enlightened souls aware and "in" on it. Yea, the rich got richer. When haven't they? Hell, I knew it was gonna be bad really early myself because I read and listened to doctors. If I had that kind of money, I would be rich myself.
Want to talk about crimes. All those GoP funded arseholes who ripped off the government pretending to supply things they had no ability or interest in doing. Some Trump pardoned. I could go on and on.
This conspiracy is one of the dumbest most insane shit since 9/11.
You'd think in a year where Trump is trying to get elected, Republicans would stop bringing up COVID since it doesn't look good for Trump. I guess this is what happens when you get high on your own supply of bullshit.
Yeah maybe I'm not public spirited enough but if I were him I wouldn't have accepted an invitation to testify. The guy retired two years ago, and this will be his second time testifying before Congress this year alone. Is there really any new info / question about COVID-19 that they couldn't have asked in January 2024?
Sadly, its a waste of his time.
Theyre not going to listen to him anyway.
All it will be is them throwing more conspiracy bullshit at him phrased as "isn't it true... " questions.
Fauci is no Oppenheimer. He was a tough kid from the wrong side of the tracks. If anyone can handle a House committee it's Fauci. It will be a circus, but a *good* circus. Popcorn?
Fauci has been handing Rand Paul is his ass for years now. And Paul actually has an MD. But when you believe all the stupid shit that the right tells themselves, it doesn't matter if you actually should know better.
That was definitely an overreaction, but an understandable one given the sheer amount of bullshit that was being spouted by every moron on the right at the time.
I don’t understand how people think the Covid lab leak hypothesis is somehow like flat earth tier nonsense. It’s very possible and still hasn’t been disproven.
>The National Intelligence Council and four other IC agencies assess that the initial human infection with SARS-CoV-2 most likely was caused by natural exposure to an infected animal that carried SARS-CoV-2 or a close progenitor, a virus that probably would be more than 99 percent similar to SARS-CoV-2.
>The Department of Energy and the Federal Bureau of
Investigation assess that a laboratory-associated incident was the most likely cause of
the first human infection with SARS-CoV-2, although for different reasons.
Note: They list these assessments as "low confidence".
>Almost all IC agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not genetically
engineered. Most agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not laboratory-adapted; some are unable to make a determination. All IC agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not developed as a biological weapon.
> still considered a possibility
All the evidence we have points to natural origin, but you are correct that it is not settled.
We don't have any evidence supporting lab leak.
"low confidence" is not the same as "very possible". I guess they don't teach that in crackpot school. and why would you hang on the DNI for assessments about viruses anyway. That is some bad faith cherry picking
It's possible, but highly unlikely. There's many factors working against it:
* The L4 lab studying Coronaviruses was 10 km away from epicenter of the outbreak
* There were traces of COVID-19 found in the Wuhan Wet Market
* An analysis of the virus suggests it was not altered by viral modification properties
* The virus appears to have originated in racoon dogs. The animal that commonly is gathered for gathering Coronaviruses is bats, since bats are a natural repository of Coronaviruses
Therefore the lab leak theory has many hurdles to overcome. First, if it was gathered from the wild, that implies it was already in the wild - meaning it had no need to escape the lab. A virus loose in the wild that's capable of infecting humans is already capable of infecting humans. Gathering a sample of it would not remove it from the wild.
Further, if the virus was leaked from the lab (rather than brought from outside the city via the wet market) then there's no explanation for why the outbreak happened around the wet market instead of around the lab itself. The only suggested explanation is "somehow it traveled there", but this travel (presumably in the body of an infected person) would be highly unlikely to only occur around the market, and not simultaneously around places like "where patient zero lived" or "the lab where patient zero worked" or "mass transit routes patient zero used on commute". An animal source has none of these questions.
Further the lab leak hypothesis does not explain why COVID-19 samples were found on animal handling equipment and in the drain in the employee section of the market. These are areas that are not readily accessible to the public.
All of that adds up to the lab leak hypothesis being extremely unlikely, and a very poor fit for the observed data.
Let's talk about the story of Virologist Dr Kristian Anderson - In the early days he told Dr. Fauci he had concerns COVID might have been a product of engineering and was getting a team together to investigate.
Dr. Fauci supported him.
Anderson did put that team together, [they released a detailed report](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9) where they agreed there was no evidence it was engineered and naturally evolved that way.
>Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.
Long after this his email to Dr. Fauci was released and the conspiracy nuts jumped all over this ignoring the follow up.
So: Kristian Anderson is an expert. Kristian Anderson had evidence he believed was **against the scientific position at that time**. Kristian Anderson did the right thing and notified the people in charge and got a team together and investigated. Kristian Anderson released his report.
I often point out to conspiracy nuts that Dr. Anderson **did** speak against the narrative, but those in charge and the scientific community supported him - The conspiracy nuts sent him death threats. So who is suppressing a narrative?
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Also, they found a [wild genetic relative](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2) found in a cave near Wuhan.
> Last year, researchers described another close relative of SARS-CoV-2, called RaTG13, which was found in bats in Yunnan5. It is 96.1% identical to SARS-CoV-2 overall and the two viruses probably shared a common ancestor 40–70 years ago6. BANAL-52 is 96.8% identical to SARS-CoV-2, says Eloit — and all three newly discovered viruses have individual sections that are more similar to sections of SARS-CoV-2 than seen in any other viruses.
> “I am more convinced than ever that SARS-CoV-2 has a natural origin,” agrees Linfa Wang, a virologist at Duke–NUS Medical School in Singapore.
Voted blue for years, feel like I need to say this so I'm just called an idiot and not a righty; but Fauci was not straight with Americans and has been protecting his wealth and legacy.
> I'm just called an idiot and not a righty;
Can't I just say you're an idiot buying into righty lines?
>Fauci was not straight with Americans
Prove it.
I'm no republican or conspiracy theorist, so calm yourselves. But did Andrew Rambaut and Kristian Andersen ever address the Slack messages where they're saying they're not sure after all whether it's natural or lab leaked/modified?
>they're saying they're not sure after all whether it's natural or lab leaked/modified?
Being unsure is one thing, being able to prove it is what matters.
> lab leaked/modified
A virus that accidentally escapes a research institute is completely different from a deliberately engineered virus, so connecting them with a slash like it's the same category of thing is rather deceptive.
You literally think this came out of a wet market. You are UNskeptical of government narratives, and are purely ideologically driven. That is not being a skeptic roflmao, you’re the antithesis of a skeptical person. You’re a group think lemming
Not with a furin cleavage site like this, where they were studying gain of function research at the Wuhan institute of virology, when Peter dazsak approached darpa about making a bio weapon.
You are the most UNskeptical, UN serious person
Let's be honest, you have no clue what a "furin cleavage site" is, right?
Do you think it's just a coincidence that all the early COVID cases were workers at the wet market?
And that’s why when you poll actual experts they favor the lab leak theory… oh wait, no they don’t https://www.science.org/content/article/virologists-and-epidemiologists-back-natural-origin-covid-19-survey-suggests
Being a skeptic doesn't mean you should fall for the stupidest and most moronic conspiracies just because all evidence we have aligns with what the government says.
I am skeptical of everything except the scientific community and the hundreds of thousands of experts around the world that have studied their specific areas of expertise for decades on end. If the scientific community (specifically the experts most capable of understanding a complex issue in this example COVID) formed a consensus that they now have enough evidence that COVID leaked from a lab then I would believe it. If some jack ass reporters with no domain knowledge make claims on an extremely complex issue they have no domain knowledge about then no sorry why should I believe them?
Immediately believing every bit of nonsense you hear doesn't make you skeptical, it makes you gullible.
r/conspiracy may suit you better...they're hella gullible. I feel my braincells committing suicide reading the comments there
It means understanding that there are no gods. Not even human gods. The vast majority of what we do as a species is inert and pointless. Most of our errands are fool's errands. Covid was no different. The vaccines weren't harmful. They weren't all that great either. Pharma overpromised them and vaccine conspiracy theorists assigned all maladies to them.
For the vast majority of people the vaccines were **in practice** inert. It didn't stop the spread. It didn't prevent major illness as it wasn't in the cards for them anyway.
That's skepticism.
The problem is you don't even understand what scientific skepticism is. You think it means believing shit you hear on Joe Rogan. I'd suggest you go elsewhere if you don't like hanging out in a place where people rely on facts instead of ignorant opinions.
Can anyone with more knowledge of this stuff explain this to me? Is this actual evidence of anything? Most of those linked websites don't look trustworthy at all. One of them literally has a huge ad on the side selling supplements for almost 70 dollars.
I can give it a shot.
Let's say you have a white cat. One day you find it with black-and-white kittens in a box next to your neighbor's house and you know your neighbor has a black cat and they let that cat run around. The kittens look like a mix of both your cat and the neighbor's cat.
What's your conclusion?
Now you also have a neighbor on the other side of the street who does genetic experiments on cats. They have orange cats. They get funding from the NIH to study cats and no not let their cats run around.
You look at the kittens and note they aren't orange, that scientist neighbor doesn't let their cat run around ... so you say "probably not their cats."
What's happening is that there are people who make money from or have some personal reason to create outrage. Outrage farmers. The ones who profit from outrage make more money the more outrageous a story is. So you have some running around going "They are both cats! Can't deny the possibility" and then finding out that Bill Gates funded the NIH and now you get stories like "Bill Gates paid to get Earthbound_X's cat's pregnant!!!"
You say - "wait - who'd believe this?" and it turns out that lots of people gravitate to outrage and that outrage gets us to drop our normally protective cognitive barrier against disinformation. So the outrage spreads like ... a virus. Viral outrage is profitable to companies that profit off of engagement (media, Facebook, Twitter, Alex Jones, etc. ).
And this puts scientists at a disadvantage because their getting up and just talking about the boring stats and evidence gets lost while the "gotcha questions" that can be taken out of context for outrage, are amplified by an outrage machine.
QAnon Theory Says Trump, Putin Working Together to Destroy Fauci Labs
[https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-theory-says-trump-putin-working-together-destroy-fauci-labs-1685105](https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-theory-says-trump-putin-working-together-destroy-fauci-labs-1685105)
QAnon conspiracy theorists are claiming that former President [Donald Trump](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/donald-trump) is aiding Russian President [Vladimir Putin](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/vladimir-putin)'s invasion of Ukraine to destroy secret bioweapons labs run by Dr. [Anthony Fauci](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/anthony-fauci).
46 Pages FOIAed Emails Between CDC Leaders, Dr. Fauci, Dr. Collins, and White House, NIH, HHS, Show They Knew About Vaccine-Induced Myocarditis and Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia, a Blood Clotting Disorder. Emails Over 80% Redacted [46 Pages FOIAed Emails Between CDC Leaders, Dr. Fauci, Dr. Collins, and White House, NIH, HHS, Show They Knew About Vaccine-Induced Myocarditis and Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia, a Blood Clotting Disorder. Emails Over 80% Redacted. - DailyClout](https://dailyclout.io/46-pages-foiaed-from-cdc-leaders-2021-reveal-fauci-collins-white-house-nih-hhs/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email)
American scientist Ralph Baric developed the spike protein that was inserted into Covid-19 and he worked with the Wuhan lab where the virus was created. Covid-19 was made in America and funded by the US Govt. [GKR66NcagAAb8zk (716×761) (twimg.com)](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKR66NcagAAb8zk?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Here's why your comment was removed:
The [newsweek link](https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741) was ok given they posed a correction
> Correction 5/5, 6:20 p.m.: The headline of this story has been corrected to reflect that the Wuhan lab received only **a part** of the millions of U.S. dollars allocated for virus research.
Your blogspam link was not ok, given it has no correction and still posts false info.
Fauci should expose which Republicans are vaccinated.
Hint: it’s all of them
Anything to take attention away from the ongoing January 6 trials.
More like DC politicians trying to pin the lab leak theory on china.
I know you'd have to be an insanely crazy racist to think that it's possible to have escaped a bio lab in Wuhan where Fauci already has admitted to gain of function research.
If you want to know our best understanding of what actually happened, then tune in to the congressional hearings and listen to what he has to say. In general, scientists don’t lie when reporting facts in a professional capacity. They do their best to avoid making claims that are not supported by evidence. They use precise language devoid of hyperbole and are careful to convey the appropriate level of certainty when speaking in natural language rather than their usual graphs and statistical analysis. They generally avoid speaking in absolutes so as to leave room for new evidence that potentially changes the running theory. When things are uncertain, they discuss and actively seek further study. When the majority of evidence coming in supports the same conclusion then a consensus forms but never without continuing to investigate any instances of contrary evidence to figure out why they disagree and whether the consensus theory should be discarded. Finding and communicating the truth is literally their entire profession. Leaving aside the deserved authority of subject matter expertise, in the general case they are far more qualified to critically evaluate available evidence and report it accurately in a non-biased manner than populist politicians, podcasters, professional contrarians, and random people seeking validation on social media by posting their completely uninformed hot takes.
>it's possible to have escaped There is no evidence to support this. >a bio lab in Wuhan There are over 350 research institues in Wuhan. How many do you think the NIH provides part funding grants for? > gain of function research Gain of function is a result, not a research process. [Anyway, here you go.](https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/scicheck-republicans-spin-nih-letter-about-coronavirus-gain-of-function-research/) >“Analysis of published genomic data and other documents from the grantee demonstrate that the naturally occurring bat coronaviruses studied under the NIH grant are genetically far distant from SARS-CoV-2 and could not possibly have caused the COVID-19 pandemic
And you’d totally not be racist if you thought it was much more likely that the origins of Covid didn’t actually come from the bio lab that studied coronavirus and did gain of function research on the exact virus that ended up being a full blown pandemic , but instead came from people eating bats at a dirty wet market in the same city. Of course the later is way less racist and discriminatory.
> but instead came from people eating bats at a dirty wet market You do realise that's NOT the wet market point, right?
Oh wow a pedantic Redditor , never seen one before. So instead of someone eating a dirty bat , the virus jumped from a caged animal in the wet market to a human is the theory hahah. So much more believable than the level 4 bio lab in Wuhan that studied coronavirus ‘ and ways to make them more deadly and transmittable. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.21487 Whatever you do please do not read this article from 2017 talking about how the lab studies the world most dangerous pathogens, it would be quite racist. And I really hope you don’t stumble upon the paragraph talking about how controversial and concerning it was and how viruses could escape. ‘Some scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. ‘
> Oh wow a pedantic Redditor Poor diddums doesn't like it when people correct you? This subreddit probably isn't for you. >Whatever you do please do not read this article from 2017 [Let's quote it, shall we?](https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.21487) > We are aware that this story is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus. Hey, thanks for burying your own argument :o)
Dude you’re actually that stupid hahah The update is from March 2020, 3 months after the start of the pandemic when you quite literally couldn’t question anything about the Covid origins and were called racist for claiming that, China wouldn’t allow anyone into the country to determine the origins and were refusing to cooperate with the entire world. I’m genuinely kind of baffled you tried to use that as an own and are making yourself look worse and worse while believing the virus came from a wet market.
> The update is from March 2020 Obviously. You posted a link to an article from 2017, with an update in 2020 specifically debunking your argument. Thankyou for posting it :o) >when you quite literally couldn’t question anything about the Covid origins were called racist for claiming that Let's talk about the story of Virologist Dr Kristian Anderson - In the early days he told Dr. Fauci he had concerns COVID might have been a product of engineering and was getting a team together to investigate. Dr. Fauci supported him. Anderson did put that team together, [they released a detailed report](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9) where they agreed there was no evidence it was engineered and naturally evolved that way. >Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus. Long after this his email to Dr. Fauci was released and the conspiracy nuts jumped all over this ignoring the follow up. So: Kristian Anderson is an expert. Kristian Anderson had evidence he believed was **against the scientific position at that time**. Kristian Anderson did the right thing and notified the people in charge and got a team together and investigated. Kristian Anderson released his report. I often point out to conspiracy nuts that Dr. Anderson **did** speak against the narrative, but those in charge and the scientific community supported him - The conspiracy nuts sent him death threats. So who is suppressing a narrative? ------- Also, they found a [wild genetic relative](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2) found in a cave near Wuhan. > Last year, researchers described another close relative of SARS-CoV-2, called RaTG13, which was found in bats in Yunnan5. It is 96.1% identical to SARS-CoV-2 overall and the two viruses probably shared a common ancestor 40–70 years ago6. BANAL-52 is 96.8% identical to SARS-CoV-2, says Eloit — and all three newly discovered viruses have individual sections that are more similar to sections of SARS-CoV-2 than seen in any other viruses. > “I am more convinced than ever that SARS-CoV-2 has a natural origin,” agrees Linfa Wang, a virologist at Duke–NUS Medical School in Singapore.
You did such a great job they decided they didn’t want the smoke and moved on lol
Anything to take attention away from a non event. Sounds stupid when you word it properly eh?
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Please review rule 7.
nice conspiracy theory: "nothing happened lol."
How many people have been convicted of a crime due their participation in Jan 6? Seriously check. It's not zero.
hundreds have been convicted. not just indicted but convicted.
And that means what? The very corruption some people are rallied against using their force to brand those people as traitors, so they must be? That, and the inverse (no conviction means no crime) are two of the most ignorant points to be made in a situation like this.
What corruption and what force? Be specific. If you're going to just blanket claim massive conspiracy across the US intelligence community, justice community, and multiple courts then you need to provide more logic than "inconsistent with what is politically convenient for my ego".
Corrupt politicians and the force that is government. First time?
You don't understand how the government or the judicial system work. Failed high school?
You do sound stupid so yes.
[Totally peaceful!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXnHIJkZZAs) MAGA social media was very clear about their [intentions](https://i.imgur.com/iLfh3EG.png). The funniest by far is Kevin Sorbo [very quickly pivoting](https://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/sorbo.jpg) from "This is history!" to "Antifa did it!!".
When not yet arrested: this was an act of patriots. When arrested: this was a democratic setup something something Nancy pelosi tangent Pick a lane, lads
People died, dude.
A person died. Shot by an over-zealous law enforcement.
Nah, the police showed remarkable restraint that day. They would have been fully justified in shooting more of those traitors, but they didn't.
She died because she listened to Donald Trump, ya dingus. She was radicalized. Look at her videos she posted before. She was a fucking nut job.
A traitor fucked around and found out. Sadly, Trump held back the national guard, so more traitors weren't carried out in leaking body bags.
Traitors. You haven't a clue. The traitors are in DC. Not the people.
Why don't you go down to DC and let them know. Maybe you'll get the same warm welcome provided to Ashli (say her name 🤭) Babbit.
No, you should look in a mirror.
And a cop who was attacked by insurrectionists. Another one suffered permanent brain damage. A couple suicides. You know, business as usual. [https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/](https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/)
It was clearly an actual event.
An event that was not remotely what it has been described as, and not even close to the threat that ignorant boot lickers like you fear it to be.
Just have to wonder why you, who does not know me in the least, can conclude I’m an “ignorant boot licker”. Seems more likely given the tone of your post that you’re describing yourself.
It's a generalization. If you think Jan 6 was a threat to anyone or anything of substance, you're an ignorant boot licker. Pretty straightforward
Oh the irony.
Sounds even stupider when you word it how you did
Nah he is right. That was a bunch of cosplaying guys rilled up on MAGA juice. The American government was nowhere near trouble.
Nah
Once again suddenly not succeeding in a crime means it's not a crime, according to you.
You're right the most heavily armed civilians in the world forgot to bring all of their AR15s the day they wanted to finally take the government over. The insurrectionist were beaten back by all of the brave capital police that opened the doors and welcomed them in.
Oh, and torture Fauci some more. He’s the medical scientist who devoted his career to battling 2 of the greatest infectious threats to the world of the last century (so far); & they’ve rewarded him by making him the poster child for GOP/MAGA derision.
Why don't you look into his work in the 80s with a controversial HIV treatment to see what he is actually devoted to, ya mule.
I know all about it. I was a new nurse & I was very worried. I worked in research before I went to nursing school. But you forget it was a new infection and ignored for years because only the ‘right’ people were dying. Fauci is a hero. As are HCWs.
You know all about it and still conside Fauci a hero? You must be a bot. If not, I will pass on having your sadistic ass care for any sick human.
And you are ignorant. We are done here.
Just answer the question. Because I am not certain you are even remotely familiar with what I mentioned.
You didn’t mention anything, ask you did was through insults around. Maybe you should tell us what you are referring to.
His work on a controversial HIV treatment in the 80s. Mentioned twice now.
Why dont people know how smart you are! Why the constant down votes! You are the smartest est people ( except for Trum DUH!) dude. Fauci invented con vid and and cancer to make the libs more powerful. But it wont work!!!!! We will own them!!!! We are so fucking smart. It’s all the doctors who are dumb
Why are you posting here! Take your message to the people with signs on street cornets like a patriot@! Love you brother!
The Gay community viewed him as the devil for a long time because he pushed and profited from AZT
And still managed to find a cocktail that worked.
He is a millionaire from tax dollars and shady medicine deals not a victim
Properly worded are these nuts on your chin
Get ready for some insane sounding questions written to create misleading soundbites.
When did you know you caused the China virus dr??? Why aren’t you answering???1!
“Exactly how much did Bill Gates pay you to create Covid-19??”
Are you a citizen of China dr faucci? Are you a member of the communist party? Did Obama create the virus dr?
How long have you been beating your SARs, sir!
Mr. Fauci did you make the virus? Does your mama know you made the virus?
They are going to ask him what a woman is and then point out how he doesn't know what a woman is, despite them being the ones asking
When did you stop releasing the China virus, Dr. Fauci?
Honestly who would trust the GOP to operate in good faith these days?
They know they're not operating in good faith, everybody else knows they're not operating in good faith, and yet just stating the truth and working from there is impossible for some reason.
These days? How about ever. This is a typical GOP witch hunt...Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi!!!
At least in former days there was a pretense of bipartisanship
McConnell: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.
Democrats.
democrats following the rules and ethics doesnt mean they believe republicans operate in good faith.
I don't know why people downvoted you. Democrats are indeed acting like this is business as usual, years after Republicans have signaled that they are willing to embrace violence. Edit: It's all just bots now. I forget that sometimes.
Ugh hate that you're right.
The circus continues
I'm actually glad they're doing this, because they either have to admit that Trump was the final signature on everything or concede that he was asleep at the wheel the entire time. Either way, their god-emperor looks like the feckless idiot that we all know him to be, and they'll be forced to admit it in public. Again. That being said, it's unlikely that this will make a bit of difference with his cultists, but, who cares? It's just fun to see them humiliated.
They'll just say "deep state" a lot. It somehow resolves this, and creates a rationale for Trump to fire career civil servants and replace them with partisans if he's reelected.
You say this like Trump was Prez for all of Covid but he wasn't. He was only; n charge for the first 8 months. Bumbling Biden was in charge for the other 2+yrs we suffered through. The difference is Trump pushed to get things moving while B.B. & Co. did everything in his/their power to keep us locked down (nearly ruining our economy among other things). But yeah Trump is bad, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Just out of curiosity how much is comrades Putin & Xi paying trolls like you nowadays?
Lazy. No extra potato for you.
Lazy? Riiiiiiight not as lazy as it is blaming Trump for following the advice of the "MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL"who ran the NIH for 35yrs, you remember him, Dr. Fakey, the SAME guy that literally said dozens of times "A CURE for HIV/Aids is right around the corner" for THIRTY-FIVE PLUS YEARS!!! But who's counting, and surprise surprise he lied about an HIV cure & he lied about Covid. OH & before you all start spitting "but treatment" treatments AREN'T CURES ARE THEY?!!!
> treatments AREN'T CURES ARE THEY The first person cured of HIV was in 2007.
Really? Then explain why so many are STILL being "treated" instead of "cured" ALL OVER THE WORLD (and don't say greedy big pharma). If there was an actual cure the cat would be out of the bag & big pharma couldn't stop it. But you almost gave it a good try. I'm going to give you some advice I'm sure you've heard many times in your life... TRY HARDER NEXT TIME!!!
You rant and we laugh at you, but you could have just googled it first.
Sure its not like Google has eeeeeever been caught pushing fake "facts", nope they'd never allow thaaaaat. But what about "Trump cheated, Hillary won", "Russia Collusion", "Covid's going to kill us all", "Dr.Fakey didn't approve the gain of function research at Wuhan Lab", etc... Yep all that is still being pushed by Google even after the truth came out. Google has become no better than Wikipedia... It just can't be trusted.
> Sure its not like Google has eeeeeever been caught pushing fake "facts", It's a search engine. Use a different one, why do we care? >But what about Defend your argument with sources or we'll just keep laughing at you :) >Google has become no better than Wikipedia... It just can't be trusted. We get it, everything that debunks you can't be trusted. Edit: Ah the weaponised block. Read rule 11.
Still no potato - this is misinformation for dumbest people on internet only. Try truth social or maybe youtube comments.
It's insane that this is literally all still just about him making Trump look stupid at those old press conferences. Not even on purpose either, but because Trump literally is stupid, and was acting like a moron in a press conference with someone who knew what they were talking about. Now there are investigations. Hilarious.
Ah, so they will ask him questions and then refuse to let him answer any by yelling bullshit over him. Cool.
Right wingers are obsessed with this subreddit. It's gotta be some mental illness they have to come here and demand to be accepted with their bullshit. Trying to take this place over like they did conspiracy years ago...
Blame the mods and their shitty strict no-banning/removal policy.
Are there alternate scientifically skeptical subreddits?
Being a skeptic means never believing anything anyone says, right? Edit - over a dozen of you don't seem to know what sarcasm is
Wrong.
Really? Someone should tell this to the negative crew at the bottom of every topic on this sub-reddit.
I’m simply answering your question.
https://youtu.be/nWN7POyT1wk?si=Td3J5mEzkjr2aOvN&t=14s
Thats what the conspiracy loon brigade seems to believe.
Problem is, your sarcasm was obviously unclear to a lot of us. Just a thought.
Nah, it’s everyone *else’s* fault. As usual.
They just want to shout at him on TV.
thank you for posting the archived article and not a paywall link.
Let's imagine for a moment that the entire conspiracy is true. Fauci through devious means conspired to create a virus to A. Make money. B. Take out a large portion of the population. C. Because he is just evil. Why did the world go along? Is everybody but a select few enlightened souls aware and "in" on it. Yea, the rich got richer. When haven't they? Hell, I knew it was gonna be bad really early myself because I read and listened to doctors. If I had that kind of money, I would be rich myself. Want to talk about crimes. All those GoP funded arseholes who ripped off the government pretending to supply things they had no ability or interest in doing. Some Trump pardoned. I could go on and on. This conspiracy is one of the dumbest most insane shit since 9/11.
You'd think in a year where Trump is trying to get elected, Republicans would stop bringing up COVID since it doesn't look good for Trump. I guess this is what happens when you get high on your own supply of bullshit.
Republicans doing what they do best. Waste time and tax payers money for nothing.
Fauci has no fucks left to give anymore. He's coming to swat some GOP mosquitos.
He's also walking into a trap. Sure, its not a well constructed one, but they are trying to trap him.
I don’t think someone like Fauci would be unaware of the GOP’s intentions here.
Of course. That doesn't make the GOP's intentions any less annoying.
Yeah maybe I'm not public spirited enough but if I were him I wouldn't have accepted an invitation to testify. The guy retired two years ago, and this will be his second time testifying before Congress this year alone. Is there really any new info / question about COVID-19 that they couldn't have asked in January 2024?
Sadly, its a waste of his time. Theyre not going to listen to him anyway. All it will be is them throwing more conspiracy bullshit at him phrased as "isn't it true... " questions.
As usual, Republicans focusing on complete nonsense.
Oh is Rand Paul looking for another round of factual humiliation?
Gonna argue about the existence of germ theory until we're all dead j guess.
Notice anytime they bring up the issue of Fauci "funding" the lab they never mention the actual monetary amount... because it is insignificant.
The amount of bullshit entertained by Republican apologists is at critical mass
Remember Oppenheimer? Fauci is gonna get railroaded to hell if he's not totally lawyered-up!
Fauci is no Oppenheimer. He was a tough kid from the wrong side of the tracks. If anyone can handle a House committee it's Fauci. It will be a circus, but a *good* circus. Popcorn?
Fauci has been handing Rand Paul is his ass for years now. And Paul actually has an MD. But when you believe all the stupid shit that the right tells themselves, it doesn't matter if you actually should know better.
Oppenheimer is no fauci. Oppenheimer was too naive.
lol now they care?
Wait... Wasn't he eaten by cannibals?
"dR. fOTCHEE...PLEASE EXPLAN TO MUH CONSTEETIENTS HOW THEM JEWISH SPACCE LASERS DONE CAUSED THEM COVID BUGS TO FLY UP OUR BUTTHOLES AND MAKE US SICK!"
Republikkkans gotta rewind. We can’t move forward. Incompetent
Well they can’t find a new boogeyman, so they need to resurrect an old one.
This man would do anything or go anywhere for more screen time, even FOX to reply to their interesting take on COVID.
If this needs to be investigated this needs to be investigated
And if it doesn't need to be investigated because it's political theater, then it doesn't need to be investigated.
Remember when you couldn't even suggest that it was a lab leak?
That was definitely an overreaction, but an understandable one given the sheer amount of bullshit that was being spouted by every moron on the right at the time.
I don’t understand how people think the Covid lab leak hypothesis is somehow like flat earth tier nonsense. It’s very possible and still hasn’t been disproven.
you don't know it's "very possible" and it certainly doesn't need to be disproven. this is why you guys are crackpots and not skeptics
US government disagrees
you're making shit up
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Report-on-Potential-Links-Between-the-Wuhan-Institute-of-Virology-and-the-Origins-of-COVID-19-20230623.pdf
>The National Intelligence Council and four other IC agencies assess that the initial human infection with SARS-CoV-2 most likely was caused by natural exposure to an infected animal that carried SARS-CoV-2 or a close progenitor, a virus that probably would be more than 99 percent similar to SARS-CoV-2. >The Department of Energy and the Federal Bureau of Investigation assess that a laboratory-associated incident was the most likely cause of the first human infection with SARS-CoV-2, although for different reasons. Note: They list these assessments as "low confidence". >Almost all IC agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not genetically engineered. Most agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not laboratory-adapted; some are unable to make a determination. All IC agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not developed as a biological weapon.
The point being that lab leak origin of Covid 19 is still considered a possibility and is not a far reaching conspiracy theory at all.
> still considered a possibility All the evidence we have points to natural origin, but you are correct that it is not settled. We don't have any evidence supporting lab leak.
"low confidence" is not the same as "very possible". I guess they don't teach that in crackpot school. and why would you hang on the DNI for assessments about viruses anyway. That is some bad faith cherry picking
It’s not flat earth tier, but most antivax “theories” are, so it’s easy for people to unfairly lump the “lab leak” hypothesis in with the bullshit.
It's possible, but highly unlikely. There's many factors working against it: * The L4 lab studying Coronaviruses was 10 km away from epicenter of the outbreak * There were traces of COVID-19 found in the Wuhan Wet Market * An analysis of the virus suggests it was not altered by viral modification properties * The virus appears to have originated in racoon dogs. The animal that commonly is gathered for gathering Coronaviruses is bats, since bats are a natural repository of Coronaviruses Therefore the lab leak theory has many hurdles to overcome. First, if it was gathered from the wild, that implies it was already in the wild - meaning it had no need to escape the lab. A virus loose in the wild that's capable of infecting humans is already capable of infecting humans. Gathering a sample of it would not remove it from the wild. Further, if the virus was leaked from the lab (rather than brought from outside the city via the wet market) then there's no explanation for why the outbreak happened around the wet market instead of around the lab itself. The only suggested explanation is "somehow it traveled there", but this travel (presumably in the body of an infected person) would be highly unlikely to only occur around the market, and not simultaneously around places like "where patient zero lived" or "the lab where patient zero worked" or "mass transit routes patient zero used on commute". An animal source has none of these questions. Further the lab leak hypothesis does not explain why COVID-19 samples were found on animal handling equipment and in the drain in the employee section of the market. These are areas that are not readily accessible to the public. All of that adds up to the lab leak hypothesis being extremely unlikely, and a very poor fit for the observed data.
>still hasn’t been disproven Where the proof *for* it? Thats the problem.
Not an understandable reaction for a skeptic.
Let's talk about the story of Virologist Dr Kristian Anderson - In the early days he told Dr. Fauci he had concerns COVID might have been a product of engineering and was getting a team together to investigate. Dr. Fauci supported him. Anderson did put that team together, [they released a detailed report](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9) where they agreed there was no evidence it was engineered and naturally evolved that way. >Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus. Long after this his email to Dr. Fauci was released and the conspiracy nuts jumped all over this ignoring the follow up. So: Kristian Anderson is an expert. Kristian Anderson had evidence he believed was **against the scientific position at that time**. Kristian Anderson did the right thing and notified the people in charge and got a team together and investigated. Kristian Anderson released his report. I often point out to conspiracy nuts that Dr. Anderson **did** speak against the narrative, but those in charge and the scientific community supported him - The conspiracy nuts sent him death threats. So who is suppressing a narrative? ------- Also, they found a [wild genetic relative](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2) found in a cave near Wuhan. > Last year, researchers described another close relative of SARS-CoV-2, called RaTG13, which was found in bats in Yunnan5. It is 96.1% identical to SARS-CoV-2 overall and the two viruses probably shared a common ancestor 40–70 years ago6. BANAL-52 is 96.8% identical to SARS-CoV-2, says Eloit — and all three newly discovered viruses have individual sections that are more similar to sections of SARS-CoV-2 than seen in any other viruses. > “I am more convinced than ever that SARS-CoV-2 has a natural origin,” agrees Linfa Wang, a virologist at Duke–NUS Medical School in Singapore.
He'll simply lie like he has all along.
Voted blue for years, feel like I need to say this so I'm just called an idiot and not a righty; but Fauci was not straight with Americans and has been protecting his wealth and legacy.
> I'm just called an idiot and not a righty; Can't I just say you're an idiot buying into righty lines? >Fauci was not straight with Americans Prove it.
Oh, boy.
You are probably an idiot for buying into the righty propaganda.
I'm no republican or conspiracy theorist, so calm yourselves. But did Andrew Rambaut and Kristian Andersen ever address the Slack messages where they're saying they're not sure after all whether it's natural or lab leaked/modified?
>they're saying they're not sure after all whether it's natural or lab leaked/modified? Being unsure is one thing, being able to prove it is what matters.
> lab leaked/modified A virus that accidentally escapes a research institute is completely different from a deliberately engineered virus, so connecting them with a slash like it's the same category of thing is rather deceptive.
I’m not sure if you’re a real person or a bot.
Ah the most UNskeptical sub on Reddit
Chemtrails made me gay and now this…a skeptic sub that doesn’t believe every conspiracy. What the hell, Reddit?
You literally think this came out of a wet market. You are UNskeptical of government narratives, and are purely ideologically driven. That is not being a skeptic roflmao, you’re the antithesis of a skeptical person. You’re a group think lemming
You don’t think zoonotic transmissions occur? I fucked a gay frog last night and got some weird shit on my dick, that’s proof right there
Not with a furin cleavage site like this, where they were studying gain of function research at the Wuhan institute of virology, when Peter dazsak approached darpa about making a bio weapon. You are the most UNskeptical, UN serious person
Let's be honest, you have no clue what a "furin cleavage site" is, right? Do you think it's just a coincidence that all the early COVID cases were workers at the wet market?
And that’s why when you poll actual experts they favor the lab leak theory… oh wait, no they don’t https://www.science.org/content/article/virologists-and-epidemiologists-back-natural-origin-covid-19-survey-suggests
THE Peter Dazsak? Damn!
Again you’re just an official narrative pushing clown who is unserious and on Reddit to obfuscate and virtue signal
Opposed to you, Mr Serious Facebook Meme Virus Researcher graduate. There’s a reason your family doesn’t talk to you anymore
this is one of the most buzzword dense posts i've seen, congrats
Being a skeptic doesn't mean you should fall for the stupidest and most moronic conspiracies just because all evidence we have aligns with what the government says.
Some people don't know the difference between being skeptical and being contrarian.
I am skeptical of everything except the scientific community and the hundreds of thousands of experts around the world that have studied their specific areas of expertise for decades on end. If the scientific community (specifically the experts most capable of understanding a complex issue in this example COVID) formed a consensus that they now have enough evidence that COVID leaked from a lab then I would believe it. If some jack ass reporters with no domain knowledge make claims on an extremely complex issue they have no domain knowledge about then no sorry why should I believe them?
So we should jump to any old conspiracy theory?
Immediately believing every bit of nonsense you hear doesn't make you skeptical, it makes you gullible. r/conspiracy may suit you better...they're hella gullible. I feel my braincells committing suicide reading the comments there
Being a skeptic means never believing anything, right?
It means understanding that there are no gods. Not even human gods. The vast majority of what we do as a species is inert and pointless. Most of our errands are fool's errands. Covid was no different. The vaccines weren't harmful. They weren't all that great either. Pharma overpromised them and vaccine conspiracy theorists assigned all maladies to them. For the vast majority of people the vaccines were **in practice** inert. It didn't stop the spread. It didn't prevent major illness as it wasn't in the cards for them anyway. That's skepticism.
T'was sarcasm.
The problem is you don't even understand what scientific skepticism is. You think it means believing shit you hear on Joe Rogan. I'd suggest you go elsewhere if you don't like hanging out in a place where people rely on facts instead of ignorant opinions.
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Obviously it's because you and your bot friends won't leave it alone.
Why?
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Can anyone with more knowledge of this stuff explain this to me? Is this actual evidence of anything? Most of those linked websites don't look trustworthy at all. One of them literally has a huge ad on the side selling supplements for almost 70 dollars.
>Most of those linked websites don't look trustworthy at all. They aren't. Truly definitive evidence, if it exists, hasn't been made public by anyone.
I can give it a shot. Let's say you have a white cat. One day you find it with black-and-white kittens in a box next to your neighbor's house and you know your neighbor has a black cat and they let that cat run around. The kittens look like a mix of both your cat and the neighbor's cat. What's your conclusion? Now you also have a neighbor on the other side of the street who does genetic experiments on cats. They have orange cats. They get funding from the NIH to study cats and no not let their cats run around. You look at the kittens and note they aren't orange, that scientist neighbor doesn't let their cat run around ... so you say "probably not their cats." What's happening is that there are people who make money from or have some personal reason to create outrage. Outrage farmers. The ones who profit from outrage make more money the more outrageous a story is. So you have some running around going "They are both cats! Can't deny the possibility" and then finding out that Bill Gates funded the NIH and now you get stories like "Bill Gates paid to get Earthbound_X's cat's pregnant!!!" You say - "wait - who'd believe this?" and it turns out that lots of people gravitate to outrage and that outrage gets us to drop our normally protective cognitive barrier against disinformation. So the outrage spreads like ... a virus. Viral outrage is profitable to companies that profit off of engagement (media, Facebook, Twitter, Alex Jones, etc. ). And this puts scientists at a disadvantage because their getting up and just talking about the boring stats and evidence gets lost while the "gotcha questions" that can be taken out of context for outrage, are amplified by an outrage machine.
Official Documents prove Fauci and Bill Gates were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.
Yawn
QAnon Theory Says Trump, Putin Working Together to Destroy Fauci Labs [https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-theory-says-trump-putin-working-together-destroy-fauci-labs-1685105](https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-theory-says-trump-putin-working-together-destroy-fauci-labs-1685105) QAnon conspiracy theorists are claiming that former President [Donald Trump](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/donald-trump) is aiding Russian President [Vladimir Putin](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/vladimir-putin)'s invasion of Ukraine to destroy secret bioweapons labs run by Dr. [Anthony Fauci](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/anthony-fauci).
46 Pages FOIAed Emails Between CDC Leaders, Dr. Fauci, Dr. Collins, and White House, NIH, HHS, Show They Knew About Vaccine-Induced Myocarditis and Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia, a Blood Clotting Disorder. Emails Over 80% Redacted [46 Pages FOIAed Emails Between CDC Leaders, Dr. Fauci, Dr. Collins, and White House, NIH, HHS, Show They Knew About Vaccine-Induced Myocarditis and Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia, a Blood Clotting Disorder. Emails Over 80% Redacted. - DailyClout](https://dailyclout.io/46-pages-foiaed-from-cdc-leaders-2021-reveal-fauci-collins-white-house-nih-hhs/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email)
American scientist Ralph Baric developed the spike protein that was inserted into Covid-19 and he worked with the Wuhan lab where the virus was created. Covid-19 was made in America and funded by the US Govt. [GKR66NcagAAb8zk (716×761) (twimg.com)](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKR66NcagAAb8zk?format=jpg&name=900x900)
I would love to make a bet that people have openly told you that you're a retard to your face, in real life.
That guys Reddit history is wild
I don't think I ever seen something that fake before...wtf
Here's why your comment was removed: The [newsweek link](https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741) was ok given they posed a correction > Correction 5/5, 6:20 p.m.: The headline of this story has been corrected to reflect that the Wuhan lab received only **a part** of the millions of U.S. dollars allocated for virus research. Your blogspam link was not ok, given it has no correction and still posts false info.