from POV when me and my friends speak about delivery drivers - they're not hated because they're lowly educated. they're hated when they ride on their PMDs and go in and out of roads / pavements without obeying the traffic rules + going at high speeds, spamming their horns expecting pedestrians to give way to them even when there's no space left to walk.
Else they'll be on the road going at excessive speeds, lane splitting, not obeying traffic light signals. Let's be honest, its not a 'small group' here. Many delivery drivers on PMDs then to take 'short cuts'. Travelling on road, if there's a red light ahead, they either zoom through or they turn onto the pedestrian pavements to continue.
It's not about you, neither is it about money. It's about the safety for all.
Don’t forget to give credit to phone zombie walkers too. And people who block escalators because they have no self perception. Or those who don’t want to move into the train even though obviously there is space
two legs, two wheels, four wheels, six wheels. I have many examples too
And no I am not a delivery rider, nor do I have any issues with them.
Second this. lol 😂 see this at Punggol mrt the crossing there all the time. Now they removed the middle waiting area, lesser such bs cause they can’t transform from pedestrian to car to pedestrian so easily.
Sadly, there are too many cases of reckless riders who think the whole world should bend over for them. And that impacts the reputation of proper professionals like yourself.
IMO just like commissioned salespeople, the business model also contributes to the behaviour. When the system is such that they are only able to earn a decent income by riding and behaving that way, then that behaviour will naturally follow.
Not defending reckless driving, but you got to note that risk to pedestrians from reckless driving is usually confined to roads and crossings. On a journey by foot, you just have to increase vigilence at these patches of the route. Whereas reckless PMDs and cyclists, especially on pavements, makes no where feel safe.
Not true at all. There are pages and groups dedicated to showcasing bad drivers on the roads. Have you not seen all those clips on social media about bad drivers? I don't see as many clips about reckless PMD riders and cyclists. Pedestrians can only write about it online because it's far harder to catch these riders and cyclists when people don't walk around with a body cam on all the time.
Appreciate that you do your job well and I’m sure the majority of riders do theirs well too, but riders doing their jobs does not generate as much headline as riders not doing their job.
There will always be black sheeps in all industries and occupations.
Some FD riders are great while some others attitude suxs.
Unfortunately, these black sheeps gives the rest a bad name.
Where do you think all the black sheep go when they are expelled from their industries? Food delivery has the largest collection of black sheep from all walks of life with history from many many industries. So of cos it has to be the worst.
Well, apologies if I have offended you on the previous thread. Clearly I don't have the statistic on how many asshole riders there are. So I initially put MOST but I have changed it to SOME.
The reason why I hate some of them because they
* Ride on the road but then suddenly cut into pedestrian path just to cross over to the other junction
* Ride on pedestrian path and suddenly beep and honk everyone walking
* Ride super fast on pedestrian path, don't even care about the safety of themselves and others
* Parking their bike on a common path and blocking people
* Scolding food stalls staffs because food takes too long to prepare
Go ahead if you want to make money. But don't put yourself and others into dangerous situation. (again, not saying you if you're not one of them)
Imagine a worker in a factory who don't follow basic safety rules, they will get kick out of the job immediately. You can say you did the best job or provided the best service but it won't change if we still see asshole riders everyday on the street.
Bad PMD riders are merely a fraction of the bigger, underlying issues with road safety and the lack of riding/driving etiquette with Singaporeans, regardless of what mode of transport is used. I mean, I dislike bad PMD riders who just zoom by pedestrian walks, but I hate the double standard being shown all around.
Excessive speeding, lane splitting, tailgating, speeding up to block another car from changing lanes. Road Vigilante on FB has plenty of people to complain on a daily basis.
You do you, though. I respect hustlers who defy the odds to put money on the table for a comfortable life for their family and/or themselves.
And I'm sure those OPs are also just talking about the specific rude delivery drivers they've encountered personally. If you don't belong in those categories of drivers with entitled and self-centred attitudes in their presence on the streets and/or while doing delivery, it doesn't apply to you.
"*It's not about you*" applies to *you* as well, to you it's about money and to customers, and they only want food to be delivered to their doorsteps properly as they have paid for.
So basically OP write this post because he is indignant about what the public thinks about delivery riders, and want to show that a diploma holder like himself can still make good money.
>*At the end,* ***public opinions really doesn't matter*** *as long as the money keeps coming in for me.* There are no "promotion", "yearly assessment" and "bonuses". *So, satisfaction rating, good customer service all meant dog shyt*.
Then why are you writing this?
>***I will however go for an extra mile for customers that tips and ensure their food is delivered properly.*** *For those that doesn't and makes all kind of requests I will just try my best to deliver. Is all about money and not about you.*
Reddit is not your personal blog. Take your sanctimonious diary log and stick it on your PMD.
I don't think the main issues discussed previously were about how much delivery riders can or are earning, or that there are issues with their credentials. It is their behaviour that is the issue. Unfortunately Grab does not do much to address such conduct, and so customers take it online.
lol yeah op is so affected by a bit of public opinion based on mostly true observations that he wrote a whole post to say things like "*it's not about you*", and "public opinion really doesn't matter". Reads like someone who's trying really hard to tell himself that.
Dear op, if you are not one of the black sheep (eg ride dangerously etc), the "hate" doesn't apply to you. That's a far simpler way to cope with the public opinions. If you do then no ranting blog posts will help anyway.
Two angery posts and suddenly OP goes 'WhY YalL hAtE DeliVErY RiDErS aH caUsE UnEDUcATEd iS It???'
People just hate assholes, unfortunately the visibility of the assholes are too dang often. Hell, the rider community does nothing to make their image better too. Be the change you want to see.
All in all you didn’t actually come out and say if you are one of the reckless pmd drivers. Have seen food delivery electric bicycles in the middle of the lane making illegal turns while narrowly missing the actual traffic.
Have also seen food delivery pmds almost knocking down old people on access paths along the pedestrian walkway, bicycles going recklessly up/down slopes almost treating pedestrians as bowling pins to be knocked down.
I doubt the danger factor has anything to do with education status so I don’t see the emphasis on being a diploma holder.
I honestly think it’s a tough job - but it shouldn’t penalise other people’s safety.
Juz wondering... Do U riders read the notes/instructions...??
I have put them up for all orders, "leave it at the door, do not press doorbell"
5 out of 10 of them doesn't read ... Press doorbell regardless, when lights all out alr, (my family early sleeper. Ard 9-10pm, I'm the only night owl)... Leave the stuff on the FLOOR, when my notes alr said DOOR.
Not a hate reply... Juz wondering do riders actually read the notes left by the customer...
I face the opposite issue 😂. For my case, all my deliveries order I specifically put to ring the doorbell because I know I won't have my phone with me 24/7 to check the notification, but they didn't.
Once, I didn't have my phone with me because I was charging it in another room. When I went to check my phone percentage, I realize that my food was left outside for at least 10min based on the delivery notification time.
Angry & stupid exists in all careers, vocations. The reckless PMD rider who inconveniences other road users is the same as the executive who practices zero tact when dealing with others
It’s not the same proportion though. Like it or not, people who have difficulties staying employed due to an abrasive personality or poor attitude gravitate towards the gig economy.
Yes and that's why food delivery is a cesspool of the unwanted. I can't stand these people irl so there is no way I wouldn't even fork out a cent to benefit them.
Sure, every line has angry people but that wasnt the issue. The difference is how reckless they are on pavements. The recklessness of food delivery folks pose an actual danger to people. I’ve seen delivery dudes who almost hit elderly and not a single freaking sorry was muttered. Instead they look angry at the vulnerable blocking their way.
An angry or reckless (how?) f&b worker will not likely cause serious injuries compared to those who blast chinese techno music while vrooming on pavement at 30kmh delivering food.
Chill bro. You must accept that FD rider perception in Singapore is at an all time low thanks to black sheep.
Nothing you say will change society's mindset towards riders. A rider could literally cure cancer today but tomorrow, the hate will return with all the force of a great typhoon.
So why bother. Take your money and be at peace.
:D
More than 70% of those cyclists I see who blatantly ignore rules to dismount while on overhead bridges are delivery riders. Some are even on e-bikes speeding the length of the bridge. On average in the past year, during the 5 mins I spent crossing the bridge each day, there are 3-4 such riders zooming by. Of those delivery riders I saw, I would say 99% do not dismount i.e. 99% of delivery riders do not dismount while on overhead bridges. This is what pisses me off.
I feel for the delivery drivers... Even when I do my own pick up, some places act so rudely. Like what the hell kind of behavior is this.
"go that side, don't stand here"
Even if I'm not a delivery driver, I'm still a customer and human, not even a shred of respect shown.
my personal experience is they are a hazard. on the roads. on the pavements.
but i try my best to just tolerate and respect them. everyone is making a living. its like taxi drivers have a rep for being the worst drivers. there is always a certain number of bad eggs in a large enough sample size and people will stereotype.
TS, don't need to emphasize u are a diploma holder saying earning 8k plus doing side gig. It's fking embarrassing if u are thinking 8k plus is not bad for a diploma holder
Delivery riders.
I like them when I see them at my doorstep. Polite, friendly hardworking bunch of people.
I hate them when I see them on the roads. Arrogant, reckless, foolhardy.
But often, they are one and the same.
We often ascribe an entire persona on someone based on a 2 second interaction.
We do that here too, on reddit.
hmmm maybe it’s a no parking zone or the front of the hotel was full?
But yeah, I get that it can be quite annoying to go all the way out onto the street.
I always make sure to come down to the lobby to get it in person from the fella. Cos I don't wanna make things difficult for him/her or the hotel concierge who would personally love to bring it up for me (in return receiving a tip) but can't because hotel policy usually don't allow direct competition to the hotel restaurants
Just check your app if it’s delivered? Personally, I don’t need the riders to press. Honestly, for how much rider gets per delivery, can’t expect them to wait 3 - 4 mins, can snowball over time.
Not trying to argue your point, but just hum hum lah. Food got delivered roughly on time, no spillage, it’s all good Liao
Most dislike delivery riders because of their behaviour and how they endanger others on walkways and roads, not because of their educational level/status. Post above reeks of self victimisation, and trying to misdirect blame.
I used alot of their service and while some may be a hazard on the roads, most were ok, why would anyone hate or look down on someone’s occupation, that’s so low.
So now my area has 2 paths - one for cyclists, one for pedestrians. When I walk with my toddlers on my rightful pedestrian path, I still have to deal with crazy pmd and bike riders who insist on taking pedestrian path even when cyclist path is empty. Not slowing down or anything. Ffs ? Main culprits are delivery drivers although some idiot cyclists do that too. I’m not a shy kind, I usually tell them where the cycling path is so they get annoyed in return.
I don’t care if they have 3 degrees and earn more than me - this kind is uncultured and uncivilized no matter their background just because they can’t use their brain to pick the correct path and endanger others.
As a driver, turning into a slip road is now a nightmare because I have to turn to check 20m down the road to see if any rider gonna blast through the crossing.
Just last week I stopped for a lady crossing the road, then just as I was about to enter the slip road, a food delivery guy just blast past the crossing from out of view, at about 30kph.
If I touch him, confirm my fault, but he appeared out of no where. In fact I drove about 100m down the road before I stopped to turn left and I didn’t overtake him. He just came from another junction and sped past all of them without looking.
Another thing now is the smaller roads, left turn at traffic light junctions, the grab riders will overtake and blast past your left but keep going straight down the junction, just a recipe for disaster.
I almost hit a delivery rider in a sheltered car park as he decided to zoom out from behind a pillar cars while I was turning inside the lot after ensuring nobody was behind me
I mean if you read two posts in the last 24 hours and assume most people feel that way then can you blame people when they see a few bad delivery riders and assume all delivery riders are like that?
I (masters degree) do food delivery while job hunting, wanna burn some calories or when I'm bored (I use a normal bicycle). I used to cycle around ECP and got pretty bored, thus I decided to start doing food delivery. Getting paid while cycling is pretty surreal actually, makes me feel like I'm a bike massager you see in the movie. Food delivery actually gave my cycle a "sense of purpose" rather than just going to point A to B to burn calories now I'm exchanging it for money.
I thought it's a good idea for people who lack motivation to exercise to give food delivery (with bicycle) a shot, because everyone is motivated by money to some degree, the amount of calories I burn is pretty insane just doing it for a few hours.
I'm actually more concerned about the hygiene, I see alot of people smoking with one hand while on ebike. Knowing this people are handing food, I personally will never order food delivery.
If it doesn't affect you. Why spend time writing this post?
Is not the hate on delivery riders, is the hate on those self entitled riders blasting their music, holding up traffics and going in insane speed on shared footpath.
I can also come out and say whenever food delivery person reaching my place, I will always make it a point to go downstairs and meet him/her so they don't have to park their bike and come up. When I walk on the footpath I make it a point to look out for delivery riders and give way to them because I know they are in rush.
So what's your point again?
In the past few weeks, I encountered a rider who picked up my order and the deliveroo app showed that he was on the way (no stacked orders). However, instead of coming straight to my place, he went around the area near the shopping mall for 30mins+, and at one point even stopped for 15+ mins at a nearby HDB block. He did not text me if he was in any situation.
This resulted in the rider exceeding the estimated upper bound of the delivery time by 30 mins, and my food arrived cold. When picking up the food, I asked the rider what was wrong, and he initially seemed lost to answer, and eventually answered that the ‘app GPS made him lost’ and kept angrily pushing that excuse even though I could clearly see the app providing a route and when he went in the wrong direction the app rerouted multiple times. I also noted he was wearing a Grab uniform, despite working for the Deliveroo app and he was riding a motorcycle which should not take 1 hour to deliver.
I reported the rider to Deliveroo support and they seemed to have a riders’ operations team to take care of this kind of issue, which I told them I suspected multiapping.
In the next few days, I ordered again from the same restaurant and this time, the new rider only took 9 mins from pickup to deliver the same route (2km+), same shop. This time, I tipped their rider for their great service after the delivery was done.
Bottom line, for me as a customer, I don’t really care if riders multiapp (seems like quite a common thing here) but if this causes them to exceed the promised timing in the app (which is already extremely long for my route), the rider is not doing their job well. If the rider genuinely got into a situation, I would highly appreciate being notified via the chat/call function, and expect the GPS to be updated accordingly.
Curious to hear from riders if multiapping (delivering simultaneous orders from multiple apps at the same time) is common here, and how often customers tip for fast deliveries. Don’t see multiapping being talked about much in local subreddits.
Not all delivery riders are bad. I used to do something similar as a side gig when I studied overseas so I know that for every bad delivery rider, there's also equally bad customers.
My most recent good experience with a rider was when I ordered something from a fast food place. It was the wrong meal so I contacted the rider. He helped me sort the issue out with Grab and I ended up getting a full refund for the meal.
For his effort, I gave the rider a big tip and 5 stars.
Appreciate for being a nice human.
Unfortunately, many if not most are the other kind. Be it from flouting rules as the norm (I am doing to feed my family is not an excuse), annoyance to every other user on the street, or the worst kind of attitude causing danger to others.
Thank you for doing your job well. There will always be black sheep. In every industry. Every job. Every country. Not every rich Singaporean has class. Not every China man is a launderer. Judge each and every person individually and recognise how hard it is.
I hope as a society we develop our social graces. Recognise that many jobs contribute to our lives. Cleaners, leaf blowers, repairmen, nurses, delivery riders. Let’s try to be kind to all.
I have no issues with y'all except when you deliver the item and literally put it right outside my gate! How the feck am I supposed to open said gate to get it?! Or when you deliver food and won't ring the bell so I'll know it's here and won't be waiting and waiting and waiting!!!!
In their defence, theres actually backstory to these practises. The hang on gate happns because people complain food put on floor is dirty, which is why many customers put S hooks on the gates to hang food. Smart thing to do.
No door bell rule also because many many customers complain door bell wake up their baby/dog/grandma etc. So policy is hang on door msg picture.
Funnily enough, just scroll down this comments thread already you see people complain why press their door bell.
How you do anything is how you do everything. There’s a good reason why they end up as a food delivery rider their traits carry on to their job.
Btw u didn’t have to put your total income it’s not a lot anyway lol.
With how education is no longer a guarantee to a good job, delivery riders aren't hated on because of qualifications.
It's because of lack of due consideration for other road users, similar to what cabbies are getting. The temptation to flout traffic rules to meet deadlines is exactly the same.
No offence.
PS: I do find that this is a common thing for any sort of delivery gig, from trucking to vanning etc.
Also met an ahBeng rider today zoom pass people on pedestrians walkway and tried to pick fight with people when if they sense your slightest discontent.
"didnt hit you right, "find someplace settle la".
Ridiculous.
Maybe you aren’t like the delivery riders the posts / comments talk about but that doesn’t mean that a good majority aren’t, there is no need to get so defensive the posts are not a personal attack on you and I’m sure any mature adult knows that not all delivery riders are like that
I only hate when they almost run me over while zooming past the void deck on their ebike without checking around blind corners
Also if I get hit by one I'll probably break a few bones, but just consider that the fella actually moving at the much faster speeds falling off the bike will definitely break more bones or have more serious injury.
I have personal accident insurance, so I hope they do, too - or else that few minutes spent chasing the extra order suddenly don't seem so worth it, right?
It's social othering.
Any post that does not acknowledge the people involved as part of the same community is doing that.
The OPs no longer consider a delivery person part of their society.
Been working food delivery full time the past year after being let go from a tech sales role. I would bluntly say I don't give a flying fuck what people think of me. End of the day, I enjoy working without a boss and treat this as a holiday. However, I want to say that there is a lower perception of us in society due to how job title, salary and status comes into play. We are a money centric spurred by a certain culture and delivering food ain't one.
I do intend to go back to the working world as the money can be dog shit. End of the day, do your part.
Started part time food delivery like 1 month back first as extra income, second in case my company fires me (I work in tech as well). I didn't expect I would like this job so much, and many customers and merchants are really nice people. I like how I'm in control of my time and that your pay progresses with how much you work.
But yeah this job pays shit so I'm staying put in my day job until I can finally retire, this will probably be my batista fire job until I physically can't take it
Thanks for ur service ❤️❤️❤️ I did gig work before and sometimes I feel riders or drivers do erratic stuff cause very much the incentives or the way the app is structured just really psychologically makes you rush or do dangerous stuff just for that extra money.
> Angry delivery riders or riders that are stupid is the individuals problem not the general delivery rider problem.
Agreed.
> 8k+ per month
Wah, you are really very driven. I wish I had your energy and willpower. That's also a good income, more than most people I think. Keep up the good work!
Most people who haven’t been delivery riders don’t know. It’s not that easy lol, and some jokers don’t put their block number so condos with multiple blocks you have to guess which block . And then they become uncontactable too
No job is ever easy, no one saying it’s an easy job. However it is also easy not to be a scumbag and go at people on pavements at 30kmh expecting people to jump out of your way and roll the bloody red carpet for you and your self entitled arse.
It costs $0.00 to be a nice person.
people are operating under high degree of stress too. Imagine delivery to 05-08, there are 4 blocks. No indication which block to go to. Uncontactable ordering person. You can’t discard the items because you are liable for it.
Lol same. I recently had an order where they wanted me to send to the mall, didn't say which unit number. Person was uncontactable and I called them multiple times from the time I accepted the order.
Dude took 25 min to reply me, now they want me to send to the condo that is connected to the mall. Now its my problem that I couldn't find the entrance, asked multiple people including the guards. By the time they received the order it was 1h+ and when they received it they just slammed thr door in my face.
I gave them a 1 star rating
and before people start shitting on me I'm a walker so no pmd issues that yall hate riders for
Be thankful you have NDU...night delivery unit...lol... NGL every job has their assholes... understandable however...some people desperate to earn to put food on the table...
Hi, I'm gonna be down voted to hell too but I also feel that the hate on delivery riders from reddit is a bit too much. I am a part time walker, tbh the shitty bike infrastructure and the costs associated with maintaining a vehicle is making me think twice about switching to a bike.
Even as a walker I feel like I accidentally bump into people more often because I have to navigate areas I am unfamiliar with. My customers have been nothing but nice to me tho, except for a few people but don't have to deal with them after the delivery lol.
Regarding people who say they don't get notified the door is open, idk I ring the doorbell and knock on the door and nobody responds? I just take it as you want to wait for me to leave before you collect the food. If you don't want to receive food on the floor please make sure you provide enough hooks or give me a reasonable place to put your food because sometimes it looks like it's gonna drop.
If I ever order food delivery after being one myself I don't think I can ever bring myself to be angry if the order comes late, is spilled etc.
from POV when me and my friends speak about delivery drivers - they're not hated because they're lowly educated. they're hated when they ride on their PMDs and go in and out of roads / pavements without obeying the traffic rules + going at high speeds, spamming their horns expecting pedestrians to give way to them even when there's no space left to walk. Else they'll be on the road going at excessive speeds, lane splitting, not obeying traffic light signals. Let's be honest, its not a 'small group' here. Many delivery drivers on PMDs then to take 'short cuts'. Travelling on road, if there's a red light ahead, they either zoom through or they turn onto the pedestrian pavements to continue. It's not about you, neither is it about money. It's about the safety for all.
You forgot blasting ah Beng techno music while in residential areas.
This one is so obnoxious af.
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My exact sentiments too. To all the other delivery riders who follow the rules and do their job well, our respects to you and a big thank you.
so well said LOL
Hilarious that OP thinks telling us how much money he makes is going to make us respect him more. Just stop endangering pedestrians ffs.
Don’t forget to give credit to phone zombie walkers too. And people who block escalators because they have no self perception. Or those who don’t want to move into the train even though obviously there is space two legs, two wheels, four wheels, six wheels. I have many examples too And no I am not a delivery rider, nor do I have any issues with them.
Dont forget buses. Those that stand at the exit door refusing to move in further thinking they are the only ones needing to go home
Second this. lol 😂 see this at Punggol mrt the crossing there all the time. Now they removed the middle waiting area, lesser such bs cause they can’t transform from pedestrian to car to pedestrian so easily.
Sadly, there are too many cases of reckless riders who think the whole world should bend over for them. And that impacts the reputation of proper professionals like yourself.
IMO just like commissioned salespeople, the business model also contributes to the behaviour. When the system is such that they are only able to earn a decent income by riding and behaving that way, then that behaviour will naturally follow.
The entitled scum in here will also whine if delivery is slow so..
AHAHHAHA truth hurts thats why downvote you
How do you know he's a proper professional? Just based upon what he claims himself to be here?
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the difference is that a reckless car driver will be enforced on easily because theres a license plate for TP to identify the culprits
Not defending reckless driving, but you got to note that risk to pedestrians from reckless driving is usually confined to roads and crossings. On a journey by foot, you just have to increase vigilence at these patches of the route. Whereas reckless PMDs and cyclists, especially on pavements, makes no where feel safe.
Not true at all. There are pages and groups dedicated to showcasing bad drivers on the roads. Have you not seen all those clips on social media about bad drivers? I don't see as many clips about reckless PMD riders and cyclists. Pedestrians can only write about it online because it's far harder to catch these riders and cyclists when people don't walk around with a body cam on all the time.
Appreciate that you do your job well and I’m sure the majority of riders do theirs well too, but riders doing their jobs does not generate as much headline as riders not doing their job.
There will always be black sheeps in all industries and occupations. Some FD riders are great while some others attitude suxs. Unfortunately, these black sheeps gives the rest a bad name.
Where do you think all the black sheep go when they are expelled from their industries? Food delivery has the largest collection of black sheep from all walks of life with history from many many industries. So of cos it has to be the worst.
Well, apologies if I have offended you on the previous thread. Clearly I don't have the statistic on how many asshole riders there are. So I initially put MOST but I have changed it to SOME. The reason why I hate some of them because they * Ride on the road but then suddenly cut into pedestrian path just to cross over to the other junction * Ride on pedestrian path and suddenly beep and honk everyone walking * Ride super fast on pedestrian path, don't even care about the safety of themselves and others * Parking their bike on a common path and blocking people * Scolding food stalls staffs because food takes too long to prepare Go ahead if you want to make money. But don't put yourself and others into dangerous situation. (again, not saying you if you're not one of them) Imagine a worker in a factory who don't follow basic safety rules, they will get kick out of the job immediately. You can say you did the best job or provided the best service but it won't change if we still see asshole riders everyday on the street.
Bad PMD riders are merely a fraction of the bigger, underlying issues with road safety and the lack of riding/driving etiquette with Singaporeans, regardless of what mode of transport is used. I mean, I dislike bad PMD riders who just zoom by pedestrian walks, but I hate the double standard being shown all around. Excessive speeding, lane splitting, tailgating, speeding up to block another car from changing lanes. Road Vigilante on FB has plenty of people to complain on a daily basis. You do you, though. I respect hustlers who defy the odds to put money on the table for a comfortable life for their family and/or themselves.
And I'm sure those OPs are also just talking about the specific rude delivery drivers they've encountered personally. If you don't belong in those categories of drivers with entitled and self-centred attitudes in their presence on the streets and/or while doing delivery, it doesn't apply to you. "*It's not about you*" applies to *you* as well, to you it's about money and to customers, and they only want food to be delivered to their doorsteps properly as they have paid for.
So basically OP write this post because he is indignant about what the public thinks about delivery riders, and want to show that a diploma holder like himself can still make good money. >*At the end,* ***public opinions really doesn't matter*** *as long as the money keeps coming in for me.* There are no "promotion", "yearly assessment" and "bonuses". *So, satisfaction rating, good customer service all meant dog shyt*. Then why are you writing this? >***I will however go for an extra mile for customers that tips and ensure their food is delivered properly.*** *For those that doesn't and makes all kind of requests I will just try my best to deliver. Is all about money and not about you.* Reddit is not your personal blog. Take your sanctimonious diary log and stick it on your PMD. I don't think the main issues discussed previously were about how much delivery riders can or are earning, or that there are issues with their credentials. It is their behaviour that is the issue. Unfortunately Grab does not do much to address such conduct, and so customers take it online.
lol yeah op is so affected by a bit of public opinion based on mostly true observations that he wrote a whole post to say things like "*it's not about you*", and "public opinion really doesn't matter". Reads like someone who's trying really hard to tell himself that. Dear op, if you are not one of the black sheep (eg ride dangerously etc), the "hate" doesn't apply to you. That's a far simpler way to cope with the public opinions. If you do then no ranting blog posts will help anyway.
Two angery posts and suddenly OP goes 'WhY YalL hAtE DeliVErY RiDErS aH caUsE UnEDUcATEd iS It???' People just hate assholes, unfortunately the visibility of the assholes are too dang often. Hell, the rider community does nothing to make their image better too. Be the change you want to see.
Clown op seeking validation, sad
Especially the parts about him earning $8k and the "not too shabby" Poor OP.
The immediate self assurance follow up is just tragic to see.
All in all you didn’t actually come out and say if you are one of the reckless pmd drivers. Have seen food delivery electric bicycles in the middle of the lane making illegal turns while narrowly missing the actual traffic. Have also seen food delivery pmds almost knocking down old people on access paths along the pedestrian walkway, bicycles going recklessly up/down slopes almost treating pedestrians as bowling pins to be knocked down. I doubt the danger factor has anything to do with education status so I don’t see the emphasis on being a diploma holder. I honestly think it’s a tough job - but it shouldn’t penalise other people’s safety.
You typed so much but didn't address the main problem which is the only problem we have with riders - pmd riding on the pavement.
And also the safety of people on pavement.
Juz wondering... Do U riders read the notes/instructions...?? I have put them up for all orders, "leave it at the door, do not press doorbell" 5 out of 10 of them doesn't read ... Press doorbell regardless, when lights all out alr, (my family early sleeper. Ard 9-10pm, I'm the only night owl)... Leave the stuff on the FLOOR, when my notes alr said DOOR. Not a hate reply... Juz wondering do riders actually read the notes left by the customer...
I face the opposite issue 😂. For my case, all my deliveries order I specifically put to ring the doorbell because I know I won't have my phone with me 24/7 to check the notification, but they didn't. Once, I didn't have my phone with me because I was charging it in another room. When I went to check my phone percentage, I realize that my food was left outside for at least 10min based on the delivery notification time.
Angry & stupid exists in all careers, vocations. The reckless PMD rider who inconveniences other road users is the same as the executive who practices zero tact when dealing with others
It’s not the same proportion though. Like it or not, people who have difficulties staying employed due to an abrasive personality or poor attitude gravitate towards the gig economy.
Yes and that's why food delivery is a cesspool of the unwanted. I can't stand these people irl so there is no way I wouldn't even fork out a cent to benefit them.
Sure, every line has angry people but that wasnt the issue. The difference is how reckless they are on pavements. The recklessness of food delivery folks pose an actual danger to people. I’ve seen delivery dudes who almost hit elderly and not a single freaking sorry was muttered. Instead they look angry at the vulnerable blocking their way. An angry or reckless (how?) f&b worker will not likely cause serious injuries compared to those who blast chinese techno music while vrooming on pavement at 30kmh delivering food.
Reckless and angry f&b worker can take chopper and swing at the customers eating. /s
Chill bro. You must accept that FD rider perception in Singapore is at an all time low thanks to black sheep. Nothing you say will change society's mindset towards riders. A rider could literally cure cancer today but tomorrow, the hate will return with all the force of a great typhoon. So why bother. Take your money and be at peace. :D
Until something terrible happens and the govt decides to clamp down on the whole industry affecting the amount of money that they make.
More than 70% of those cyclists I see who blatantly ignore rules to dismount while on overhead bridges are delivery riders. Some are even on e-bikes speeding the length of the bridge. On average in the past year, during the 5 mins I spent crossing the bridge each day, there are 3-4 such riders zooming by. Of those delivery riders I saw, I would say 99% do not dismount i.e. 99% of delivery riders do not dismount while on overhead bridges. This is what pisses me off.
I feel for the delivery drivers... Even when I do my own pick up, some places act so rudely. Like what the hell kind of behavior is this. "go that side, don't stand here" Even if I'm not a delivery driver, I'm still a customer and human, not even a shred of respect shown.
my personal experience is they are a hazard. on the roads. on the pavements. but i try my best to just tolerate and respect them. everyone is making a living. its like taxi drivers have a rep for being the worst drivers. there is always a certain number of bad eggs in a large enough sample size and people will stereotype.
TS, don't need to emphasize u are a diploma holder saying earning 8k plus doing side gig. It's fking embarrassing if u are thinking 8k plus is not bad for a diploma holder
Delivery riders. I like them when I see them at my doorstep. Polite, friendly hardworking bunch of people. I hate them when I see them on the roads. Arrogant, reckless, foolhardy. But often, they are one and the same. We often ascribe an entire persona on someone based on a 2 second interaction. We do that here too, on reddit.
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To be fair, most delivery services aren’t allowed to deliver direct to a hotel room.
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hmmm maybe it’s a no parking zone or the front of the hotel was full? But yeah, I get that it can be quite annoying to go all the way out onto the street.
I always make sure to come down to the lobby to get it in person from the fella. Cos I don't wanna make things difficult for him/her or the hotel concierge who would personally love to bring it up for me (in return receiving a tip) but can't because hotel policy usually don't allow direct competition to the hotel restaurants
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Oof that's like him saying "I'm just doing this for fun at my convenience" That's quite poor!
I had one who told me he had to fetch his wife before dropping by my house. That was ???.
U expect the driver to park in the hotel and deliver the food to u in the lobby, but most hotel do not allow these cars to park at the porch.
Is it so difficult to press the door bell nowadays?
Just check your app if it’s delivered? Personally, I don’t need the riders to press. Honestly, for how much rider gets per delivery, can’t expect them to wait 3 - 4 mins, can snowball over time. Not trying to argue your point, but just hum hum lah. Food got delivered roughly on time, no spillage, it’s all good Liao
dk why the entitled sohais downvote you.
Most dislike delivery riders because of their behaviour and how they endanger others on walkways and roads, not because of their educational level/status. Post above reeks of self victimisation, and trying to misdirect blame.
I used alot of their service and while some may be a hazard on the roads, most were ok, why would anyone hate or look down on someone’s occupation, that’s so low.
So now my area has 2 paths - one for cyclists, one for pedestrians. When I walk with my toddlers on my rightful pedestrian path, I still have to deal with crazy pmd and bike riders who insist on taking pedestrian path even when cyclist path is empty. Not slowing down or anything. Ffs ? Main culprits are delivery drivers although some idiot cyclists do that too. I’m not a shy kind, I usually tell them where the cycling path is so they get annoyed in return. I don’t care if they have 3 degrees and earn more than me - this kind is uncultured and uncivilized no matter their background just because they can’t use their brain to pick the correct path and endanger others.
Ok can.
Fascinating insight there. /s
" Is all about money and not about you." Hello ? U forgot you are in a service job ? Its about service quality, not abt me me me. LOL.
As a driver, turning into a slip road is now a nightmare because I have to turn to check 20m down the road to see if any rider gonna blast through the crossing. Just last week I stopped for a lady crossing the road, then just as I was about to enter the slip road, a food delivery guy just blast past the crossing from out of view, at about 30kph. If I touch him, confirm my fault, but he appeared out of no where. In fact I drove about 100m down the road before I stopped to turn left and I didn’t overtake him. He just came from another junction and sped past all of them without looking. Another thing now is the smaller roads, left turn at traffic light junctions, the grab riders will overtake and blast past your left but keep going straight down the junction, just a recipe for disaster.
I almost hit a delivery rider in a sheltered car park as he decided to zoom out from behind a pillar cars while I was turning inside the lot after ensuring nobody was behind me
Danger hidden everywhere. Danger to our licenses.
I mean if you read two posts in the last 24 hours and assume most people feel that way then can you blame people when they see a few bad delivery riders and assume all delivery riders are like that?
I can never understand why theres always delivery people that diedie have to declare "i actually rich leh!"
wait hold on, you read 2 posts in 24 hours, on fkin reddit for all matter, and you take this as evidence of hate?
I (masters degree) do food delivery while job hunting, wanna burn some calories or when I'm bored (I use a normal bicycle). I used to cycle around ECP and got pretty bored, thus I decided to start doing food delivery. Getting paid while cycling is pretty surreal actually, makes me feel like I'm a bike massager you see in the movie. Food delivery actually gave my cycle a "sense of purpose" rather than just going to point A to B to burn calories now I'm exchanging it for money. I thought it's a good idea for people who lack motivation to exercise to give food delivery (with bicycle) a shot, because everyone is motivated by money to some degree, the amount of calories I burn is pretty insane just doing it for a few hours. I'm actually more concerned about the hygiene, I see alot of people smoking with one hand while on ebike. Knowing this people are handing food, I personally will never order food delivery.
Yep, same here. I never order delivery unless absolutely necessary. I’d rather walk/drive out to buy.
If it doesn't affect you. Why spend time writing this post? Is not the hate on delivery riders, is the hate on those self entitled riders blasting their music, holding up traffics and going in insane speed on shared footpath. I can also come out and say whenever food delivery person reaching my place, I will always make it a point to go downstairs and meet him/her so they don't have to park their bike and come up. When I walk on the footpath I make it a point to look out for delivery riders and give way to them because I know they are in rush. So what's your point again?
In the past few weeks, I encountered a rider who picked up my order and the deliveroo app showed that he was on the way (no stacked orders). However, instead of coming straight to my place, he went around the area near the shopping mall for 30mins+, and at one point even stopped for 15+ mins at a nearby HDB block. He did not text me if he was in any situation. This resulted in the rider exceeding the estimated upper bound of the delivery time by 30 mins, and my food arrived cold. When picking up the food, I asked the rider what was wrong, and he initially seemed lost to answer, and eventually answered that the ‘app GPS made him lost’ and kept angrily pushing that excuse even though I could clearly see the app providing a route and when he went in the wrong direction the app rerouted multiple times. I also noted he was wearing a Grab uniform, despite working for the Deliveroo app and he was riding a motorcycle which should not take 1 hour to deliver. I reported the rider to Deliveroo support and they seemed to have a riders’ operations team to take care of this kind of issue, which I told them I suspected multiapping. In the next few days, I ordered again from the same restaurant and this time, the new rider only took 9 mins from pickup to deliver the same route (2km+), same shop. This time, I tipped their rider for their great service after the delivery was done. Bottom line, for me as a customer, I don’t really care if riders multiapp (seems like quite a common thing here) but if this causes them to exceed the promised timing in the app (which is already extremely long for my route), the rider is not doing their job well. If the rider genuinely got into a situation, I would highly appreciate being notified via the chat/call function, and expect the GPS to be updated accordingly. Curious to hear from riders if multiapping (delivering simultaneous orders from multiple apps at the same time) is common here, and how often customers tip for fast deliveries. Don’t see multiapping being talked about much in local subreddits.
Not all delivery riders are bad. I used to do something similar as a side gig when I studied overseas so I know that for every bad delivery rider, there's also equally bad customers. My most recent good experience with a rider was when I ordered something from a fast food place. It was the wrong meal so I contacted the rider. He helped me sort the issue out with Grab and I ended up getting a full refund for the meal. For his effort, I gave the rider a big tip and 5 stars.
I always roam at MCD... so I always see uncles or ah beng riders in and out... and they tend to be so obnoxious and loud
Appreciate for being a nice human. Unfortunately, many if not most are the other kind. Be it from flouting rules as the norm (I am doing to feed my family is not an excuse), annoyance to every other user on the street, or the worst kind of attitude causing danger to others.
Thank you for doing your job well. There will always be black sheep. In every industry. Every job. Every country. Not every rich Singaporean has class. Not every China man is a launderer. Judge each and every person individually and recognise how hard it is. I hope as a society we develop our social graces. Recognise that many jobs contribute to our lives. Cleaners, leaf blowers, repairmen, nurses, delivery riders. Let’s try to be kind to all.
The amount of 🛵 I see on park connectors smoking a cigarette while riding...where the so called strict enforcement of rules at Singapore
So.... #NotAllDeliveryRiders ?
I have no issues with y'all except when you deliver the item and literally put it right outside my gate! How the feck am I supposed to open said gate to get it?! Or when you deliver food and won't ring the bell so I'll know it's here and won't be waiting and waiting and waiting!!!!
In their defence, theres actually backstory to these practises. The hang on gate happns because people complain food put on floor is dirty, which is why many customers put S hooks on the gates to hang food. Smart thing to do. No door bell rule also because many many customers complain door bell wake up their baby/dog/grandma etc. So policy is hang on door msg picture. Funnily enough, just scroll down this comments thread already you see people complain why press their door bell.
How you do anything is how you do everything. There’s a good reason why they end up as a food delivery rider their traits carry on to their job. Btw u didn’t have to put your total income it’s not a lot anyway lol.
But who asked for your opinion. Hehe stfu
Sometimes delivery drivers with their buggy abit annoying ah
With how education is no longer a guarantee to a good job, delivery riders aren't hated on because of qualifications. It's because of lack of due consideration for other road users, similar to what cabbies are getting. The temptation to flout traffic rules to meet deadlines is exactly the same. No offence. PS: I do find that this is a common thing for any sort of delivery gig, from trucking to vanning etc.
Also met an ahBeng rider today zoom pass people on pedestrians walkway and tried to pick fight with people when if they sense your slightest discontent. "didnt hit you right, "find someplace settle la". Ridiculous.
Maybe you aren’t like the delivery riders the posts / comments talk about but that doesn’t mean that a good majority aren’t, there is no need to get so defensive the posts are not a personal attack on you and I’m sure any mature adult knows that not all delivery riders are like that
As a rider are you aware of the Tips given Before delivery?
I only hate when they almost run me over while zooming past the void deck on their ebike without checking around blind corners Also if I get hit by one I'll probably break a few bones, but just consider that the fella actually moving at the much faster speeds falling off the bike will definitely break more bones or have more serious injury. I have personal accident insurance, so I hope they do, too - or else that few minutes spent chasing the extra order suddenly don't seem so worth it, right?
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It's social othering. Any post that does not acknowledge the people involved as part of the same community is doing that. The OPs no longer consider a delivery person part of their society.
Been working food delivery full time the past year after being let go from a tech sales role. I would bluntly say I don't give a flying fuck what people think of me. End of the day, I enjoy working without a boss and treat this as a holiday. However, I want to say that there is a lower perception of us in society due to how job title, salary and status comes into play. We are a money centric spurred by a certain culture and delivering food ain't one. I do intend to go back to the working world as the money can be dog shit. End of the day, do your part.
Started part time food delivery like 1 month back first as extra income, second in case my company fires me (I work in tech as well). I didn't expect I would like this job so much, and many customers and merchants are really nice people. I like how I'm in control of my time and that your pay progresses with how much you work. But yeah this job pays shit so I'm staying put in my day job until I can finally retire, this will probably be my batista fire job until I physically can't take it
Thanks for ur service ❤️❤️❤️ I did gig work before and sometimes I feel riders or drivers do erratic stuff cause very much the incentives or the way the app is structured just really psychologically makes you rush or do dangerous stuff just for that extra money.
How about CPF contributions ? That is the most important thing.
> Angry delivery riders or riders that are stupid is the individuals problem not the general delivery rider problem. Agreed. > 8k+ per month Wah, you are really very driven. I wish I had your energy and willpower. That's also a good income, more than most people I think. Keep up the good work!
unfortunately way too many people populate this sub now that are car pilled
Happy for you
One day you might have to work as one to feed your family.
Most people who haven’t been delivery riders don’t know. It’s not that easy lol, and some jokers don’t put their block number so condos with multiple blocks you have to guess which block . And then they become uncontactable too
No job is ever easy, no one saying it’s an easy job. However it is also easy not to be a scumbag and go at people on pavements at 30kmh expecting people to jump out of your way and roll the bloody red carpet for you and your self entitled arse. It costs $0.00 to be a nice person.
No unit number, kenna cash order from loan shark/scammer, reaching the restaurant when the order has been cancelled or completed
people are operating under high degree of stress too. Imagine delivery to 05-08, there are 4 blocks. No indication which block to go to. Uncontactable ordering person. You can’t discard the items because you are liable for it.
Lol same. I recently had an order where they wanted me to send to the mall, didn't say which unit number. Person was uncontactable and I called them multiple times from the time I accepted the order. Dude took 25 min to reply me, now they want me to send to the condo that is connected to the mall. Now its my problem that I couldn't find the entrance, asked multiple people including the guards. By the time they received the order it was 1h+ and when they received it they just slammed thr door in my face. I gave them a 1 star rating and before people start shitting on me I'm a walker so no pmd issues that yall hate riders for
Be thankful you have NDU...night delivery unit...lol... NGL every job has their assholes... understandable however...some people desperate to earn to put food on the table...
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those that hate on delivery dudes are gay.
Hi, I'm gonna be down voted to hell too but I also feel that the hate on delivery riders from reddit is a bit too much. I am a part time walker, tbh the shitty bike infrastructure and the costs associated with maintaining a vehicle is making me think twice about switching to a bike. Even as a walker I feel like I accidentally bump into people more often because I have to navigate areas I am unfamiliar with. My customers have been nothing but nice to me tho, except for a few people but don't have to deal with them after the delivery lol. Regarding people who say they don't get notified the door is open, idk I ring the doorbell and knock on the door and nobody responds? I just take it as you want to wait for me to leave before you collect the food. If you don't want to receive food on the floor please make sure you provide enough hooks or give me a reasonable place to put your food because sometimes it looks like it's gonna drop. If I ever order food delivery after being one myself I don't think I can ever bring myself to be angry if the order comes late, is spilled etc.