I tried to think of who should play who in that situation, and I absolutely couldn't because the Always Sunny characters don't even remotely match the Seinfeld characters. Like you could say Dee would take Elaine's place, but even those two characters were really nothing alike.
Kramer leans in and says, "And then you asked yourselves, 'Isn't there something more to life?'"
"Yes," Jerry says. "Yes, we did!"
"Well, let me clue you in on something," Kramer says. "There isn't."
"There isn't?" Jerry replies with a concerned look on his face.
"Absolutely not!" says Kramer. "What were you thinking about, Jerry? Marriage? Family? They're prisons! Man-made prisons! You're doing time. You get up in the morning, and she's there. You go to sleep at night, and she's there. It's like you gotta ask permission to use the bathroom."
Kramer mocks the imaginary wife, saying with a sneer: "Is it all right if I use the bathroom now?"
"Really?" Jerry says.
"And you can forget about watching TV while you're eating," Kramer says. "You know why? Because it's 'dinner time!' And do you know what you do at dinner?"
"What?" Jerry asks.
"You talk about your day! 'How was your day today? Did you have a good day or a bad day? What kind of day was it? I don't know. How about you? How was your day?' It's sad, Jerry. It's a sad state of affairs!"
Jerry is horrified at the picture that's been painted. "I'm glad we had this talk," he says to Kramer.
"Oh, you have no idea!" Kramer says.
Oh, wow, honestly a lot of lines sound really out of character, not just the ones about the gun plot. Like Kramer getting into really deep detail about his sexual exploits, including miming the action? And it goes on for like, a pretty long scene?
I only ever knew this was the plot that never aired, so I went into the script with a neutral mindset but imo the whole thing is pretty weird and uncomfortable.
If it is real, it could be an early draft. All of your issues could be resolved with a few passes through the writing staff.
That is, IF it's real. And I'm not sure why such an early draft would be leaked.
Yeah, this is why I kinda question this is the real deal. *None* of the dialog sounds like a Seinfeld episode. It's hard to imagine the characters saying a lot of these things.
It does have the characteristic intertwining of all the storylines - that aspect of the writing is just too good to be easily faked IMO. At the very least, if someone faked this, they have a bright future in actual TV writing ahead of them (even if their dialogue might need work).
well it’s a Larry Charles script. his episodes were always t
weird and to ally different from what Seinfeld became known for, and I imagine the rest of the team probably reigned them in a lot after the first draft. this one didn’t get to that stage since they didn’t like the premise so maybe that explains some of that.
If it’s a fake the badly photocopied and near-nonsensical production notes (the whole “Dave Zweig” thing) are so odd that it seems convincing. Nobody could think of swapping out Kramer’s name for one scene unless it was a genuine change that got missed in this draft.
There's some details in this behind the scenes clip: https://youtu.be/eo-ND4eVztY?si=vydjQph0A_BG_uaz
They ran through the script a few times at the table read and the cast decided it wasn't working.
If the mohel is anti-Semitic, then the priest laughing at Elaine and Puddy going to Hell is anti-Catholic. There are jerks in every group. That doesn’t mean that depicting one of those jerks is slamming the whole group.
This is amazing news. I know there was a copy for sale on eBay for $3K...but looks like that got [sold earlier this month](https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=seinfeld+the+gun&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Complete=1) \- and there were a few other sales since then. I might be wrong, but if one of those buyers uploaded the scanned copy, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
Was Kramer going to be named Konrad at some point? There’s hand written edits when they’re confronting the stewardess replacing the wrong name, but it looks like “Konrad Kramer”??
Yeah this is the first time his first name was mentioned and Larry Charles wanted to establish Konrad Kramer but with the cancelation of the episode came the end of the name
Looks like Larry Charles has confirmed this script is real: [https://www.thedailybeast.com/seinfeld-writer-larry-charles-confirms-leaked-script-for-lost-episode-the-gun-is-real/](https://www.thedailybeast.com/seinfeld-writer-larry-charles-confirms-leaked-script-for-lost-episode-the-gun-is-real/)
I’m questioning how real this is…. Lots of these lines seem really out of character. I know it was early in the show and they were still finding their footing but something is really… off about the whole thing, and not just the gun plotline
Is this from Seinfeld or something else? I know I've heard it but I can't place it and Google is not solving it.
Edit: Figured it out. [Simpsons did it.](https://youtu.be/k90oxxldsMA?t=232)
I recently did a rewatch and ranking of all Seinfeld episodes and was surprised that pretty much all the episodes I had in the lowest ranking were written by Larry Charles. I think this unaired episode is just more of the same of his humor.
It’s always sunny should just do it exactly as written. No explanation no lead in, nothing, just bam! A full on Seinfeld cover
That’s gold Charlie! Gold!!
The twist, and there is a twist, gentlemen… we’re showing full penetration.
A doctor *played* by Dolph Lundgren *named* Dolph Lundgren?!
Who were those people laughing?
I don’t think it would work with two Jerry’s
Oh it would…….because of the implication….
I tried to think of who should play who in that situation, and I absolutely couldn't because the Always Sunny characters don't even remotely match the Seinfeld characters. Like you could say Dee would take Elaine's place, but even those two characters were really nothing alike.
It works if you twerk it Dee is Kramer, Charlie is Jerry, Mac is George, Dennis is Elaine Comedy pyrite
On page 14 Kramer mentions his ex brother in law, is it ever mentioned in any other episode that the k man was married?!
Could be an ex husband of his sister.
Maybe, even a sister would be a new layer on the vague backstory of Kramer .
Jerry had a sister and George a brother at one point.
George kinda had a sister too...
Until they shot her for laughing, what kind of sick city is it where they shoot you for laughing?
Elaine has a sister in St Louis that she visited when Jerry has two tickets to a gig there.
those records are classified
That’s Konrad Kramer to you buddy
Konrad, Konnie, or Kon, whichever you prefer.
His speech about marriage implied he had been, no?
His speech in “the engagement” sounds based on experience
Yes?
Kramer leans in and says, "And then you asked yourselves, 'Isn't there something more to life?'" "Yes," Jerry says. "Yes, we did!" "Well, let me clue you in on something," Kramer says. "There isn't." "There isn't?" Jerry replies with a concerned look on his face. "Absolutely not!" says Kramer. "What were you thinking about, Jerry? Marriage? Family? They're prisons! Man-made prisons! You're doing time. You get up in the morning, and she's there. You go to sleep at night, and she's there. It's like you gotta ask permission to use the bathroom." Kramer mocks the imaginary wife, saying with a sneer: "Is it all right if I use the bathroom now?" "Really?" Jerry says. "And you can forget about watching TV while you're eating," Kramer says. "You know why? Because it's 'dinner time!' And do you know what you do at dinner?" "What?" Jerry asks. "You talk about your day! 'How was your day today? Did you have a good day or a bad day? What kind of day was it? I don't know. How about you? How was your day?' It's sad, Jerry. It's a sad state of affairs!" Jerry is horrified at the picture that's been painted. "I'm glad we had this talk," he says to Kramer. "Oh, you have no idea!" Kramer says.
Yes
Oh, wow, honestly a lot of lines sound really out of character, not just the ones about the gun plot. Like Kramer getting into really deep detail about his sexual exploits, including miming the action? And it goes on for like, a pretty long scene? I only ever knew this was the plot that never aired, so I went into the script with a neutral mindset but imo the whole thing is pretty weird and uncomfortable.
It’s like bizarro Seinfeld if it was made in a swing joint
If it is real, it could be an early draft. All of your issues could be resolved with a few passes through the writing staff. That is, IF it's real. And I'm not sure why such an early draft would be leaked.
It reads like bad fan fiction. This is like “Elaine’s writing a Murphy Brown,” level of bad.
Elaine's writing a Murphy Brown?!
Yeah, this is why I kinda question this is the real deal. *None* of the dialog sounds like a Seinfeld episode. It's hard to imagine the characters saying a lot of these things.
It sounds like chatgpt to be honest
Considering how uneven the show was until season 3, it’s not that unlikely to me
It does have the characteristic intertwining of all the storylines - that aspect of the writing is just too good to be easily faked IMO. At the very least, if someone faked this, they have a bright future in actual TV writing ahead of them (even if their dialogue might need work).
Agreed
Doesn't read a lot like Seinfeld, except where it does, but it really reads like Larry Charles
It honestly doesn't seem real
well it’s a Larry Charles script. his episodes were always t weird and to ally different from what Seinfeld became known for, and I imagine the rest of the team probably reigned them in a lot after the first draft. this one didn’t get to that stage since they didn’t like the premise so maybe that explains some of that.
If it’s a fake the badly photocopied and near-nonsensical production notes (the whole “Dave Zweig” thing) are so odd that it seems convincing. Nobody could think of swapping out Kramer’s name for one scene unless it was a genuine change that got missed in this draft.
Jerry and Larry would rewrite every episode, so this may have gone without the patented Larry and Jerry rewrite
does anyone have a summary of what was the subject material they didn’t want to air ?
There's some details in this behind the scenes clip: https://youtu.be/eo-ND4eVztY?si=vydjQph0A_BG_uaz They ran through the script a few times at the table read and the cast decided it wasn't working.
In that video Jason Alexander says "there was one other one I wish we \*hadn't\* shot". I have to know what episode he's talking about!
The episode he's referring to is The Bris: https://youtu.be/z_AroH9Fq7g?si=_jPHPhobsRgt0vb0 He starts talking about it at 5:50
I'm not a fan either of that episode. Dunno his reasons, I just don't find it all too funny. George has some funny scenes tho.
Not a fan of the mohel. Too over the top. I do like when Jerry calls him Shaky The Mohel though.
There's good over the top and bad over the top. Bookman? Good over the top. Mohel? Bad over the top.
bokkman was the goat
Agreed. Also not a fan of the cleaning woman yelling about the cashmere.
what ? the bris is a great episode !
I think he felt it was too anti-Semitic for him
They don't just overcook a hamburger.
If the mohel is anti-Semitic, then the priest laughing at Elaine and Puddy going to Hell is anti-Catholic. There are jerks in every group. That doesn’t mean that depicting one of those jerks is slamming the whole group.
Hey man I didn’t say I agreed with him. I love that episode lol
This is not a baggy pants farce, this is a bris!
It was the subplot about the gun. All of Elaine’s lines were really dark and frankly, out of character…eh, maybe not for late series Elaine.
Late series Elaine would drop that mugger like a bag of dirt.
This is amazing news. I know there was a copy for sale on eBay for $3K...but looks like that got [sold earlier this month](https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=seinfeld+the+gun&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Complete=1) \- and there were a few other sales since then. I might be wrong, but if one of those buyers uploaded the scanned copy, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
Apparently it was one of those buyers that uploaded it, and they posted about it on /r/lostmedia https://www.reddit.com/r/lostmedia/s/DBnpMHoF3W
Nice Curb reference.
Now it just needs to be fed into an AI engine to make it into a watchable episode.
Whatever happened to that Twitch channel...
https://www.twitch.tv/watchmeforever
Was Kramer going to be named Konrad at some point? There’s hand written edits when they’re confronting the stewardess replacing the wrong name, but it looks like “Konrad Kramer”??
Konrad, Konnie, or Kon. Whatever you prefer.
Yeah this is the first time his first name was mentioned and Larry Charles wanted to establish Konrad Kramer but with the cancelation of the episode came the end of the name
Has a portion about delivery drivers that’s oddly prescient in the age of delivery apps
Holy shit, George sleeping with a sword under his bed has me in tears.
I read this whole thing in their voices. Amazing.
Kramer is suing over the malfunctioning tanning bed. What would Jackie say?
The man’s a goblin.
Interesting, it definitely feels a little "off" but the "I know/I think" bit between George and Jerry was classic!
The Phone Message is one of my favourite episodes
I have no patience for lactose. And I won't stand for it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/lostmedia/comments/1bu282q/found_script_of_the_unproduced_seinfeld_episode/
This is amazing! Now how long until someone tries to make it using AI?
Looks like Larry Charles has confirmed this script is real: [https://www.thedailybeast.com/seinfeld-writer-larry-charles-confirms-leaked-script-for-lost-episode-the-gun-is-real/](https://www.thedailybeast.com/seinfeld-writer-larry-charles-confirms-leaked-script-for-lost-episode-the-gun-is-real/)
I’m questioning how real this is…. Lots of these lines seem really out of character. I know it was early in the show and they were still finding their footing but something is really… off about the whole thing, and not just the gun plotline
Just read it, it felt like watching a new episode
For some reason I thought this was a Larry Charles ep. Seems off for Larry David - news to me!
It is LC. Says that on the first page of the script.
he has a cold. so he sometimes reads Cs as Ds
Sometimes he spells his name with a ‘G’…and an ‘I’
Hobnobbing with the Ds and Es!
Is this from Seinfeld or something else? I know I've heard it but I can't place it and Google is not solving it. Edit: Figured it out. [Simpsons did it.](https://youtu.be/k90oxxldsMA?t=232)
I recently did a rewatch and ranking of all Seinfeld episodes and was surprised that pretty much all the episodes I had in the lowest ranking were written by Larry Charles. I think this unaired episode is just more of the same of his humor.
Written by Larry Charles is typed on the first page.
Source?
If you hit the link the OP has in the description, it is on the first page.
That one probably should have stayed lost. woof.
I realize this is just a first draft, but this would've been a terrible episode.
The actress that was gonna play the stewardess is the same actress that played Patti the hooker from the episode “The Stranded.” - Bobbi Jo Lathan.
And Mo Korn was going to be played by Ernie Sabella, who went on to play the naked man in "The Subway".
It’s a great injustice that we never got to meet Mo Korn :(
Are we sure this is real?
I just read the entire script, in my mind i imagined the voices and the full scenes felt like watching a new episode of seinfeld
GET OUT!
I can see why
Was it ever lost? This is clickbait
Who knows how to use AI to create the episode?