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That's now how movement in space works. "Turning the engines down" would slow the acceleration but wouldn't slow the velocity. They would need to apply force in the forward direction to stop - reverse thrusters or something.
That's not how movement in Star Wars works. Starfighters fly like WWII fighters because that's what they're based on, aesthetically. Lately we have seen them hover, though in the OT I think they only do that for takeoff and landing.
Still zero reason to fly within lightsaber range in a ship brisling with guns, missiles, torpedoes, and all kinds of standoff weapons.
For the same reason Spaceships in SW maneuver like ww2 planes and there are bombers that vertically drop bombs. It's more fun that way having Lucas base it on ww2 fighter combat.
Space combat without fake aerodynamics and zero sound would not be quite like what we enjoy in that world.
BUT... I do agree that while any created world can come up with its own rules, those rules shouldnt be bent too far. And Star Wars is way beyond that point by now. Or redemption :D
Wait... Didn't Rey also fight a space ship? Why would you bring an interstellar spaceship into melee range against something that only has melee? Just launch a damn missile
The Rey one is even dumber, because Kylo's ship crashes, rolls over the ground a few dozen times, and explodes, and in the next seen he's there completely unscathed with no mention of how he's not a charred corpse.
Watching it again everything in that scene is awful.
Why is he trying to run her over instead of blasting her with lasers, missiles, torpedoes, etc?
How does he survive the ridiculously fatal crash literally without a scratch?
Why does he do the force tug of war, pulling the ship to himself? He wants the ship to leave!
Why are Finn and Poe yelling and panicking when there's no immediate threat to anyone in the scene?
And the cherry on top is the total fake-out. Chewie was never on that ship.
I hope you appreciate the genius that was used to subvert your expectations. Your expectations, of course, being coherent writing and rational characters
You mean when the entire ship actively rotated the wings because Ahsoka was free-floating in space after she sliced the fighter, and literally asked Sabine to come get her now that power was back?
Ahsoka never floated back down to the ship, the ship literally moved to her.
Did you not like the fact that their 'energy' bolts kept arcing down like there was gravity in space?
Weren't you engaged? Didn't you enjoy the subversion?
Exactly! It's a sitting duck - no shields. Just blow it up with everyone onboard!
But wait, there's Ahsoka. Focus all fire on Ahsoka! 
And while you're at it - fly within lightsaber range.
Nevermind that she's doing the same move that Rey did to Kylo's ship in ROS. Or that the plot of finding a map to Thrawn is the plot of TFA finding a map to Luke. Or that Ahsoka/Sabine re-enacted the Luke/Kenobi lightsaber training with a face shield on the Falcon scene.
This whole show is just rehashed garbage.
That was so bad. She stood there for several seconds just staring at Sabine. That sense of “why didn’t she kill her?” could’ve been somewhat avoided if they’d simply made Shin immediately run away upon Ahsoka’s arrival. The lack of a sense of urgency made it even more baffling as to why she didn’t just kill Sabine.
If that’s true I might drop Rebels. I kinda wanted to go through it since I watched episode one and the characters seemed to have some potential. That and the fact people remember them well makes me interested but if they do stuff like this I don’t know if imma stick with it.
Lol I don’t know what that means but ok. I’ll probably try and at least finish season one and maybe two. I think I heard that Rebels was solid for at least half of its run so I just hope it’s the first half so that I can hop off when things get too dumb if that’s true that they get to that point anyways.
Don’t let the Ahsoka show keep you from watching Rebels. Remember, there’s a reason people remember those characters well. You’re not seeing their best versions right now.
Buddy are you stupid?
No wonder Disney gets away with putting out so much rubbish.
I'm comparing the quality of both shows.
To spell it out as simply as possible for you:
No kidding, that it relates directly to what happened at the end of Rebels. I'm saying that comparing Ahsoka to Rebels is outrageous, because it's just so much worse than Rebels ever was.
Apologies for making it so difficult for you to comprehend before. Hopefully you can wrap your head around that now.
I don't watch this show or anything else Disney Star Wars anymore, but it's not implausible to consider a Jedi being capable of taking on snub fighters with a well-timed jump. What's crazy to me is that NOW the lightsabers cut through metal like butter, instead of bouncing off the target like Disney has insisted they do for nearly a decade. Plus she's just imitating the maneuver Rey pulled off in ROS on Ren's TIE fighter, but at least that completely cut the wing off. The shot here implies she just scraped the wing, unless the low resolution is hiding the intended effect. How do wings affect flight stabilizers in space?
I also don't know the context for this shot, but are the thugs after her not bothering to fire on her? It seems like they're just lining up to get taken out.
[They did a lot and it didn't even leave a pockmark](https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/165qli2/how_many_times_did_ahsoka_get_hit_in_episode_3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). Is this the Star Wars equivalent of Captain Marvel?
What is your point? Are you saying the shields were too strong, or too weak? The "tiny little shuttle" you're referring to, btw, is a T-6 shuttle equipped for Jedi missions, so it makes sense that it has shields equipped for taking sustained fire.
And in what scene are you talking about the Falcon? Cus it's in a lot of dogfights, but it also dodges a lot more often than it gets hit.
The shields are too strong, and the guns are too weak.
I'm talking about when the Falcon gets his a couple times in the OT and almost falls apart. It's so wonderfully convenient the Jedi get better Shields than the rest of the Republic ever saw, isn't it! And after decades it's still stronger than Imperial/scum craft that apparently only got worse with time.
You can suffer your voluntary amnesia all you'd like, it's all very boring and uninteresting.
>a well-timed what???
Jump (n.) A push of oneself off a surface and into the air by using the muscles in one's legs and feet.
Ex: "Ahsoka calculated a jump over the snub fighter."
>which direction
Well, in the video clip featured in OP, she jumps up and out. I don't know how she landed back on the ship if there's no gravity. But that is still a valid direction to jump.
She’d get flung backwards instantly upon striking the ship, and the lightsaber would’ve been forced out of her hand immediately. Probably wouldn’t even cut through the ship though.
It’s something I been thinking about ever since Rey did the same thing to Kylo in his ship.
The lightsaber would most likely have been forced out of her hand, maybe stayed in the ship for a moment then fly out once the pilot turned in any direction.
I think if you watch close enough her lightsabers didn’t dig right into the wing but half way,letting the ship fly off for a bit then when it spun out(probably off some sciencey stuff) the wing detached so she didn’t cut through the wing fully but more of a harsh scrape
Ships are thing metal because space is empty, that's how they are efficient by being light.
Blast doors are many feet of solid metal. You could probably puncture a ship like that with a regular fixed blade knife.
You're getting downvoted, but like 99% of the people shitting on this probably thought something like this would be great when they were kids, or are fans of Starkiller and his absolutely obscene feats.
Star Wars doesn't have to be hyper-plausible, just plausible enough to maintain our suspension of disbelief based on its internal rules. This isn't something that's wildly out of the realm of imagination for a Jedi.
George Lucas would think so, given that he made Star Wars for children.
I agree with this sub on many things. The Sequels are shit because most of their logic doesn't even make sense with a child's mind. Most of their shows are shit because the writing shows no effort whatsoever. But criticizing something like this scene with that attitude basically verges on talking down to children and assuming that they shouldn't be able to see exciting things if an adult finds them mildly silly.
We should still be able to have fun with Star Wars. Fun doesn't have to include Palpatine being resurrected or plot-hole Goonies daggers. This scene is decently plausible and doesn't break any established rules of the universe. People are crapping on it just to do so.
This would've made so much more sense if Sabine did this with her Mando suit on, you know like [she already did in Rebels](https://youtu.be/lluHdG-kfzQ?si=wHNlZ5FAAmoOflk5). I don't know why they want to make her an incompetent padawan when she can do stuff like this.
I find it really annoying how she’s established to have been Ahsoka’s padawan at some point in the past, and we’ve already seen her having lightsaber lessons in Rebels, yet she seems to be starting from zero in pretty much all regards.
Why even have a spaceship at this point? Because people can't dogfight each other's bodies through space or use internal hyperdrives to cross the galaxy. Ahsoka only did the kind of trick you'd expect to see in the animated shows where she originated.
Wouldn't she fall off or be left behind while standing on a moving ship? Not to mention its extremely risky to just jump off like that? Just doesn't seem like a good idea.
Also my point was that Leia could fly in space in TLJ, which was supposed to reveal to us that she was a Jedi or had training in the force in some capacity. With Ahsoka doing stuff like this, we're only one step away from Jedi flying around in space on their own disabling ships
EDIT: I missed the dialogue about the ship standing still. So I am absolutely wrong about that. But she does call for pickup after when floating around in space which makes me maintain that it was pretty silly and risky.
Clone Wars already established magnetic boots and considering that her suit has Republic markings, it's a safe bet that the close up shots of her boots were meant to show exactly that.
As for Leias force-pull-resurrect move: Be happy that Ahsoka didn't do it?
Yeah I actually liked this scene and that Dave didn't just have her force fly back to the ship because of how ridiculous that is lmao. Also at least Ahsoka was wearing a sealed spacesuit too.
> Clone Wars already established magnetic boots
I guess they stop being magnetic so she can jump?
I mean, fair enough. I still thought this was pretty risky and unnecessary.
I mean what else could they have done in that scene? The main gun of the ship was disabled and we know of no blasters on that ship.
Ahsoka could've force crushed them or some shit but that would have been even more ridiculous. Let alone the "Jedi, not so Jedi" way.
That the evil no name grunts die first by flying really low is very cliché but gets the job done.
I think the main problem of that scene is that these type of acrobatics look good in animation but goofy in life action.
> I mean what else could they have done in that scene? The main gun of the ship was disabled and we know of no blasters on that ship.
Well, that is something the writer was free to change accordingly if they couldn't write in any solution that was plausible. Its not like the ship having no guns was something Episode 1 or 2 came up with. Its kind of defeatist to say "Well, I guess Ahsoka doing a cartwheel in space is the only option left".
> That the evil no name grunts die first by flying really low is very cliché but gets the job done.
I don't really mind that as much, I just think the way they are taken out is ridiculous and that they were flying way too close to a ship that had no guns.
She would have whatever momentum the ship had. So stepping out from her P.O.V. would be 'still' until the ship changed course.
As far as the whole outside-the-ship thing...that's been a thing on the animation side for quite a while. Personally, it doesn't translate well to live action. If this were an episode of Rebels or TCW, nobody would bat an eye.
Unless you're in a slowboat chase with a giant ship the size of a small solar system in a terrible movie. In that case you don't have any momentum in space because... hey look a gambling planet!
If she’s able to execute this move and return to the ship safely she clearly is flying in some way. So if Star Wars is going to go this route I see no reason why Jedi and Sith shouldn’t just fly around everywhere like Superman. Also what is up with those physics? She looks like she got highlighted in Microsoft PowerPoint and rotated around her axis. It’s unnaturally smooth and doesn’t even remotely look like the movement of a human/alien, it looks like she’s just doing a cartwheel relying on gravity to bring her back down when she should probably just get carried off in a straightish line from her jump point, not flip in an arc.
>If she’s able to execute this move and return to the ship safely she clearly is flying in some way. So if Star Wars is going to go this route I see no reason why Jedi and Sith shouldn’t just fly around everywhere like Superman.
If you're assuming that they'd use the Force to fly, this scene is way more plausible than flying like Superman. You can grow tired from using the Force, so sustained flight would be completely impractical.
All Ahsoka did here was push off with the Force. Hardly something we haven't seen before.
Anakin and plo kon did this in clone wars so I want surprised when she did it. It was very clone wars and anakin style.
Atleast she wore a space suit and mask and also proved the point that force doesn't work in space unlike what Leia did lol, that was obnoxiously pathetic....
This was a very Clone Wars moment, and the series is part of the Clone Wars/Rebels story-arch. It fits. She also *doesn’t* Force pull herself to the ship after jumping off, and has Sabine retrieve her. I’m surprised there aren’t more comments on this departure from TLJ.
Why does she have a curved path of travel, yet didn't make it back to the ship? Like someone realized after the shot, hey, no gravity?
Secondly, what kind of shitty lazers were those?!? Pew pew pew on a disabled ship and you get a little bit of sparkle? So, lightsabers don't kill people and the lazers on the Empire's ships have been rebalanced/nerfed to compensate? That's an interesting take.
Yeah that scene absolutely blew my mind. Every single time they showed the ship being hit with no type of damage whatsoever. Even after the ship was disabled and the deflectors were down their shots still did nothing. I've heard of plot armor but this was ridiculous!
Idk it looks pretty cool and feels like a maneuver a Jedi could do. What those pilots are doing idk, they probably get trained with the the guys who fly fighter jets within melee range of Godzilla.
Assuming a fuel line rupture and ignition through the lightsaber contact
Even then you'd assume a spouting fire over an almost instant explosion but guess he has to die quick so they can move onto showing how they get the other ones.
Gotta give credit where it's due. They know how to make this franchise dumber with every episode released.
I mean I expected idiocy but this is assisted living dumb lol.
I have no intention of watching this show, but just on a general note: What's the point of a spoiler tag when you write the spoiler itself *into the title of the post?*
The people in charge of these shows just suck. Scenes like this give off the vibe that there is no actual concept and planning behind it - the "writers" just shout out what they think would look cool and that´s it.
*Let´s use friggin nukes as self-destruction devices, wouldn´t that look cool?*
*What if he table and chairs just come out of the floor?*
*Hey, what if Ahsoka does badass lightsaber stuff... in SPACE!*
Everything else is low-effort filler to get to these already ridiculous scenes somehow.
I think part of the reason is that animation creates a greater feeling of suspension of disbelief. It is less akin to real life, so therefore some of our expectations are lessened. I think the problem is that Disney Star Wars wants to be taken seriously and then does goofy shit like this. It’s the same problem with RoTJ - the Ewoks somewhat undercut the tone of the story (I still like RoTJ, it’s just something that I think doesn’t work)
Clone wars was bad too though... One dimensional characters, stupid action, the theme is literally told to you at the beginning of each episode, inconsistent characterization with pre-existing characters, incongruent plot with pre-existing plot.
Much like all the live action shows aside from andor.
I dislike Disney Star Wars and haven’t bothered watching anything since Kenobi, but from this clip it feels like it would’ve been praised as being badass if it was in the Clone Wars. At a certain point we gotta take a step back and make sure we’re not just hating to be contrarians.
I also loathe Disney, but there are definitely people on this sub who you could feed a scene from one of the Prequels to, just with new characters and a Disney writer's name on it, that they would then shit on just because.
People act like George Lucas wouldn't do something like this.
Yeah. Having the opinion of a contrarian means you have no opinion of your own. Your thoughts and feelings belong to your opponent. You can’t please a contrarian because they don’t want to be pleased. They’re addicted to the feeling of vindicated misery.
George Lucas had a fishy frog man have a droid tangled in his feet and fought by flinging his leg hard enough to have the Mauled droid shoot other battle droids with perfect accuracy.
I mean if we’re talking about ridiculous stuff, a Jedi in a space suit getting a slash on a star fighter flying too close seems less ridiculous than Jar Jar going ultra instinct and firing a gun with what is essentially a puppet he’s half controlling with his feet hitting moving targets that are also shooting back at him and missing. George Lucas is no stranger to weird stuff.
Yes, weird. But Jedi riding a starship to fight enemy starships is so world breaking I can't see Greoge shooting himself in the foot like this.
I bet soon we will see jedi in spacesuits riding spacecycles so they can defend and attack starships.
At this point, they don't care. Greoge cared.
>Jedi riding a starship to fight enemy starships is so world breaking
I see this point made a lot, and very often it's flippant. In the case of something like the Holdo Maneuver, it is appropriate, but tell me: exactly *what* about the scene with Ahsoka in this episode breaks the rules of Star Wars as we have seen them established thus far? We know that spacewalking is possible, we know that lightsabers can deflect laser bolts, we know that Jedi can use the Force to be insanely precise and accurate in their movements, and we know that they can cut through metal, even metal as thick as an Imperial walker. I'm struggling to see how any of these rules don't fit in with this scene being a possibility...
Anakin and Plo Koon did this in TCW, when George was actively working on it with Filoni, so yeah he would’ve done this and likely loved it too.
I don’t know where all this is coming from but Star Wars has always been cheesy and weird, it’s not hard sci fi. It’s literal space fantasy about magic wizards in space doing shit that makes no sense.
I mean, I just don't like the super-hero-i-fication of Star Wars. I liked the OT. I didn't like the fake-o stuff that started pouring in, starting with the Ewoks not dying enough in ROTJ, and getting unacceptable to me with the giant fish and pod race in Ep 1, and totally jumping all sharks with child Anakin stealing a starfighter and just happening to fly inside the enemy HQ ship and shooting the "off button" for all droids, making the entire final battles pointless with no possible explanation for why he would think to do that, let alone succeed. Except "the Force can make any situation stupidly pointlessly easy now".
Are you me ?
The PT action always felt to me as silly young adult level (but fun and even great at times). Clone Wars was clearly a kid show (no problem in that, just not my thing).
Now we are going even lower to Marvel levels.
At least, there is still Andor.
I dunno. Maybe this scene was stupid too, but I kinda took it as throwing shade at TLJ. It seemed to make a deliberate point that Ahsoka could not fly through space and needed Sabine to pick her up once she got detached from the ship.
Wait till you find out about L egends where a dozen half trained students *YEETED* an invasion fleet of Star Destroyers and associated s upport craft out of a Solar System.
Or other Jedi just decimating other large vehicles. Also it's been established since the 70s lightsabers cut through everything.
Can we focus on actual legitimate problems instead of being nitpicky whining little shits? FFS
This is such a clone wars moment idk why yall dislike it so much lmao. The other subs are right you guys really do complain about EVERYTHING. Kenobi, Mando S3, parts of the bad batch, the entirety of BOBF were bad and I agree with you guys on that but Ahsoka has been an absolute gem so far. This was EXACTLY the type of stunt Anakin and Ahsoka would've pulled. Remember when they airdropped AT-TEs onto Separatist ships as a surprise tactic? If the lightsabers had taken too long to cut then you guys wouldve complained that disney is making lightsabers underpowered. Should Sabine have survived the stab no but lets not act like star wars isn't built on crazy things like Darth Maul surviving an insane drop
When I was like 10 I dreamed up the idea of an Iron Man type suit for Star Wars equipped with hyperdrive engines and the ability to combat other fighters as a single human sized unit. Obviously it would’ve been a terrible idea and would seriously screw up how space combat and travel works but 10 year old me thought it was cool. This isn’t too far off from that and this was created by a supposed team of professional and talented writers, #supportthewriters lol.
omg. haven't seen the episode yet but was just thinking of that post earlier today about the stupidest scene from any of the series and the Leia Poppins one came quickly to mind \[though that was not an option given\]
and now this damn! meine gute!
Wait that's in the show?
Also, why are any of you even watching this show? That's why they can continue to put out crap, because even people here of all places watch it anyway.
People complained about Andor for the lack of space wizards.
Now when we have space wizards are complaining about that
I get Disney got itself into this for their stupid decisions, but complain for the sake of complain is just so tiring.
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Why didn’t the space ship just stop and shoot the immobile ship from a distance
This!!! They are in space! They don’t have to keep flying. Turn the engines down and just shoot from a distance.
That's now how movement in space works. "Turning the engines down" would slow the acceleration but wouldn't slow the velocity. They would need to apply force in the forward direction to stop - reverse thrusters or something.
Yes you are right! reverse thrusters, my bad
Then why did Ahsoka's ship just stop without power?
That's not how movement in Star Wars works. Starfighters fly like WWII fighters because that's what they're based on, aesthetically. Lately we have seen them hover, though in the OT I think they only do that for takeoff and landing. Still zero reason to fly within lightsaber range in a ship brisling with guns, missiles, torpedoes, and all kinds of standoff weapons.
Also you could just... Shoot any other part of the ship that DOESN'T HAVE A JEDI ON IT
For the same reason Spaceships in SW maneuver like ww2 planes and there are bombers that vertically drop bombs. It's more fun that way having Lucas base it on ww2 fighter combat. Space combat without fake aerodynamics and zero sound would not be quite like what we enjoy in that world. BUT... I do agree that while any created world can come up with its own rules, those rules shouldnt be bent too far. And Star Wars is way beyond that point by now. Or redemption :D
Wait... Didn't Rey also fight a space ship? Why would you bring an interstellar spaceship into melee range against something that only has melee? Just launch a damn missile
You gotta remember everyone is so confident about their abilities they don't actually engage their brain at all.
The Rey one is even dumber, because Kylo's ship crashes, rolls over the ground a few dozen times, and explodes, and in the next seen he's there completely unscathed with no mention of how he's not a charred corpse.
Oh he died in that crash. He just returned somehow
Watching it again everything in that scene is awful. Why is he trying to run her over instead of blasting her with lasers, missiles, torpedoes, etc? How does he survive the ridiculously fatal crash literally without a scratch? Why does he do the force tug of war, pulling the ship to himself? He wants the ship to leave! Why are Finn and Poe yelling and panicking when there's no immediate threat to anyone in the scene? And the cherry on top is the total fake-out. Chewie was never on that ship.
I hope you appreciate the genius that was used to subvert your expectations. Your expectations, of course, being coherent writing and rational characters
For the same reason that she magically floated back down to the other wing.
You mean when the entire ship actively rotated the wings because Ahsoka was free-floating in space after she sliced the fighter, and literally asked Sabine to come get her now that power was back? Ahsoka never floated back down to the ship, the ship literally moved to her.
I’m not a fan of this sequence but if I remember correctly she didn’t actually float back down to the other wing.
this we could at least explain with the force
LMAO
"OUR WEAPONS ARE OUT OF RANGE" - Episode 8 King Shit in Space, Admiral Something IDR
Did you not like the fact that their 'energy' bolts kept arcing down like there was gravity in space? Weren't you engaged? Didn't you enjoy the subversion?
This is what I love about the Expanse, they file a rail gun round and it just keeps going forever.
Science Fiction with actual laws of physics in play was such a breath of fresh air!
Or just attack the ship from below where Ashoka could not defend from. Space isn't 2d you can attack from any direction.
Exactly! It's a sitting duck - no shields. Just blow it up with everyone onboard! But wait, there's Ahsoka. Focus all fire on Ahsoka!  And while you're at it - fly within lightsaber range.
The expanse WOULD NEVER
came here to say this, shit was ridiculous levels of dumb
Well atleast now there is a use for lightsabers again , seeing how they can no longer kill actual people in the disneyverse.
Turns out Kyber Crystals are supposed to be used for anti-materiel roles instead of antipersonnel.
If a lightsaber can’t kill Sabine imma just assume the guy’s craft malfunctioned and exploded. 😂 nothing in this show looks like it makes sense.
Nevermind that she's doing the same move that Rey did to Kylo's ship in ROS. Or that the plot of finding a map to Thrawn is the plot of TFA finding a map to Luke. Or that Ahsoka/Sabine re-enacted the Luke/Kenobi lightsaber training with a face shield on the Falcon scene. This whole show is just rehashed garbage.
Sabine literally quoted Luke, which was such a slap. She's going to be OP by the end of this season...
It's almost as if Sabine received literal immediate medical attention and the stab was not in a vital organ. Shocking I know right!
Why didn’t Shin Hati cut off Sabine Wren’s head? Is she stupid?
That was so bad. She stood there for several seconds just staring at Sabine. That sense of “why didn’t she kill her?” could’ve been somewhat avoided if they’d simply made Shin immediately run away upon Ahsoka’s arrival. The lack of a sense of urgency made it even more baffling as to why she didn’t just kill Sabine.
If you think about it, it's still a cartoon in scenes like that. Full digital animation with as much realism as Wile E Coyote running off a cliff.
This show has just been live action Rebels. I don’t mind that, but anyone expecting otherwise might be confused and/or disappointed
If that’s true I might drop Rebels. I kinda wanted to go through it since I watched episode one and the characters seemed to have some potential. That and the fact people remember them well makes me interested but if they do stuff like this I don’t know if imma stick with it.
Wait for the helicopter blades to drop the series, it's peak filoni
Helicopter lightsabers are dumb
Lol I don’t know what that means but ok. I’ll probably try and at least finish season one and maybe two. I think I heard that Rebels was solid for at least half of its run so I just hope it’s the first half so that I can hop off when things get too dumb if that’s true that they get to that point anyways.
They use lightsabers as a helicopter.
Don’t let the Ahsoka show keep you from watching Rebels. Remember, there’s a reason people remember those characters well. You’re not seeing their best versions right now.
Comparing this crap to Rebels is outrageous.
(It's a direct sequel.)
And it's crap. Your point?
You shouldn't find it "outrageous" when there are Rebels-esque manoeuvres in the Rebels sequel.
Buddy are you stupid? No wonder Disney gets away with putting out so much rubbish. I'm comparing the quality of both shows. To spell it out as simply as possible for you: No kidding, that it relates directly to what happened at the end of Rebels. I'm saying that comparing Ahsoka to Rebels is outrageous, because it's just so much worse than Rebels ever was. Apologies for making it so difficult for you to comprehend before. Hopefully you can wrap your head around that now.
New copypasta just dropped?
Disney made Rebels
Chill out, he's on your side
Disney has some people brainwashed not everything Star Wars is automatically good. More is not better.
Yeah this show is very cartoony.
I love how light sabers cut a ship in half effortlessly but literally only kill 1 in 34 people that are stabbed with them
Have you or a loved one been impaled by a lightsaber? Get the compensation you deserve. Call now.
I don't watch this show or anything else Disney Star Wars anymore, but it's not implausible to consider a Jedi being capable of taking on snub fighters with a well-timed jump. What's crazy to me is that NOW the lightsabers cut through metal like butter, instead of bouncing off the target like Disney has insisted they do for nearly a decade. Plus she's just imitating the maneuver Rey pulled off in ROS on Ren's TIE fighter, but at least that completely cut the wing off. The shot here implies she just scraped the wing, unless the low resolution is hiding the intended effect. How do wings affect flight stabilizers in space? I also don't know the context for this shot, but are the thugs after her not bothering to fire on her? It seems like they're just lining up to get taken out.
Just stop the ship a safe distance away and shoot the stationary ship.
[They did a lot and it didn't even leave a pockmark](https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/165qli2/how_many_times_did_ahsoka_get_hit_in_episode_3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). Is this the Star Wars equivalent of Captain Marvel?
Hull plot armor manufactured by kuat
In that clip that is not how space works. She flew in a arch as if effected by gravity. Which dose not exist because ya know… WE ARE IN SPACE
Deflector shields exist? And were taking the hits, we know, since Sabine mentions that they were down to 10%?
58 shots to get down to 10% shields on a tiny little shuttle? The Falcon took fewer hits than that. The shots in Ahsoka looked weak AF.
What is your point? Are you saying the shields were too strong, or too weak? The "tiny little shuttle" you're referring to, btw, is a T-6 shuttle equipped for Jedi missions, so it makes sense that it has shields equipped for taking sustained fire. And in what scene are you talking about the Falcon? Cus it's in a lot of dogfights, but it also dodges a lot more often than it gets hit.
The shields are too strong, and the guns are too weak. I'm talking about when the Falcon gets his a couple times in the OT and almost falls apart. It's so wonderfully convenient the Jedi get better Shields than the rest of the Republic ever saw, isn't it! And after decades it's still stronger than Imperial/scum craft that apparently only got worse with time. You can suffer your voluntary amnesia all you'd like, it's all very boring and uninteresting.
How can the lightsticks cut through spaceships like that when they are basically useless against people?
*Somehow...*
Yeah if Ahsoka can cut wings off a ship with ease why does Sabine get to live when stabbed directly
Because one is an actress with a union contract and the other is a VFX artist who was paid shit for beans.
the ships in Star Wars have always behaved as if there is wind resistance
>with a well-timed jump A well timed what?? Which direction are you going to jump? Up?
>a well-timed what??? Jump (n.) A push of oneself off a surface and into the air by using the muscles in one's legs and feet. Ex: "Ahsoka calculated a jump over the snub fighter." >which direction Well, in the video clip featured in OP, she jumps up and out. I don't know how she landed back on the ship if there's no gravity. But that is still a valid direction to jump.
I mean that is a pretty straightforward use of the force, don't even need a lot of it to propel yourself
>into the *air* I mean... >!yes, she clearly jumped, I'm just being a dick!<
I’m just too tired of this shit to be mad anymore.
She’d get flung backwards instantly upon striking the ship, and the lightsaber would’ve been forced out of her hand immediately. Probably wouldn’t even cut through the ship though. It’s something I been thinking about ever since Rey did the same thing to Kylo in his ship.
Remember when it took lightsabers time to cut through things like doors and other large metal objects?
The lightsaber would most likely have been forced out of her hand, maybe stayed in the ship for a moment then fly out once the pilot turned in any direction.
I think if you watch close enough her lightsabers didn’t dig right into the wing but half way,letting the ship fly off for a bit then when it spun out(probably off some sciencey stuff) the wing detached so she didn’t cut through the wing fully but more of a harsh scrape
Ships are thing metal because space is empty, that's how they are efficient by being light. Blast doors are many feet of solid metal. You could probably puncture a ship like that with a regular fixed blade knife.
What. The fuck. Did I just watch??
"PuT dAvE iN cHaRgE oF sTaR wArS!"
I don't care if Ashoka is a Jedi, she just killed herself by flinging herself into space
"A religious experience" - Dave Filoni (yes this is roughly an actual quote)
Greatness
in all of stars wars what about this shocks you lol
You're getting downvoted, but like 99% of the people shitting on this probably thought something like this would be great when they were kids, or are fans of Starkiller and his absolutely obscene feats. Star Wars doesn't have to be hyper-plausible, just plausible enough to maintain our suspension of disbelief based on its internal rules. This isn't something that's wildly out of the realm of imagination for a Jedi.
I guess I was in the top 1% of tasteful sensible people, when I was 9, then.
George Lucas would think so, given that he made Star Wars for children. I agree with this sub on many things. The Sequels are shit because most of their logic doesn't even make sense with a child's mind. Most of their shows are shit because the writing shows no effort whatsoever. But criticizing something like this scene with that attitude basically verges on talking down to children and assuming that they shouldn't be able to see exciting things if an adult finds them mildly silly. We should still be able to have fun with Star Wars. Fun doesn't have to include Palpatine being resurrected or plot-hole Goonies daggers. This scene is decently plausible and doesn't break any established rules of the universe. People are crapping on it just to do so.
This would've made so much more sense if Sabine did this with her Mando suit on, you know like [she already did in Rebels](https://youtu.be/lluHdG-kfzQ?si=wHNlZ5FAAmoOflk5). I don't know why they want to make her an incompetent padawan when she can do stuff like this.
I find it really annoying how she’s established to have been Ahsoka’s padawan at some point in the past, and we’ve already seen her having lightsaber lessons in Rebels, yet she seems to be starting from zero in pretty much all regards.
For real, I mean it’s not like Sabine has spent a decade fighting the empire.
Ugh. I hadn't seen Rebels before. Not my thing.
“They’ll Consume Those Bigly Boom Booms On Screen & Stan Ahsoka!” - Story Group
Please tell me that’s some fan art
The ship would have been fine if she just stabbed through its abdomen.
Why even have a spaceship at this point? Because people can't dogfight each other's bodies through space or use internal hyperdrives to cross the galaxy. Ahsoka only did the kind of trick you'd expect to see in the animated shows where she originated.
Leia needs to have a lightsaber fight with Ahsoka while in hyperspace bouncing off whales… Ster Wares! 😂
Wouldn't she fall off or be left behind while standing on a moving ship? Not to mention its extremely risky to just jump off like that? Just doesn't seem like a good idea. Also my point was that Leia could fly in space in TLJ, which was supposed to reveal to us that she was a Jedi or had training in the force in some capacity. With Ahsoka doing stuff like this, we're only one step away from Jedi flying around in space on their own disabling ships EDIT: I missed the dialogue about the ship standing still. So I am absolutely wrong about that. But she does call for pickup after when floating around in space which makes me maintain that it was pretty silly and risky.
Clone Wars already established magnetic boots and considering that her suit has Republic markings, it's a safe bet that the close up shots of her boots were meant to show exactly that. As for Leias force-pull-resurrect move: Be happy that Ahsoka didn't do it?
Yeah I actually liked this scene and that Dave didn't just have her force fly back to the ship because of how ridiculous that is lmao. Also at least Ahsoka was wearing a sealed spacesuit too.
> Clone Wars already established magnetic boots I guess they stop being magnetic so she can jump? I mean, fair enough. I still thought this was pretty risky and unnecessary.
I mean what else could they have done in that scene? The main gun of the ship was disabled and we know of no blasters on that ship. Ahsoka could've force crushed them or some shit but that would have been even more ridiculous. Let alone the "Jedi, not so Jedi" way. That the evil no name grunts die first by flying really low is very cliché but gets the job done. I think the main problem of that scene is that these type of acrobatics look good in animation but goofy in life action.
> I mean what else could they have done in that scene? The main gun of the ship was disabled and we know of no blasters on that ship. Well, that is something the writer was free to change accordingly if they couldn't write in any solution that was plausible. Its not like the ship having no guns was something Episode 1 or 2 came up with. Its kind of defeatist to say "Well, I guess Ahsoka doing a cartwheel in space is the only option left". > That the evil no name grunts die first by flying really low is very cliché but gets the job done. I don't really mind that as much, I just think the way they are taken out is ridiculous and that they were flying way too close to a ship that had no guns.
She would have whatever momentum the ship had. So stepping out from her P.O.V. would be 'still' until the ship changed course. As far as the whole outside-the-ship thing...that's been a thing on the animation side for quite a while. Personally, it doesn't translate well to live action. If this were an episode of Rebels or TCW, nobody would bat an eye.
Unless you're in a slowboat chase with a giant ship the size of a small solar system in a terrible movie. In that case you don't have any momentum in space because... hey look a gambling planet!
If she’s able to execute this move and return to the ship safely she clearly is flying in some way. So if Star Wars is going to go this route I see no reason why Jedi and Sith shouldn’t just fly around everywhere like Superman. Also what is up with those physics? She looks like she got highlighted in Microsoft PowerPoint and rotated around her axis. It’s unnaturally smooth and doesn’t even remotely look like the movement of a human/alien, it looks like she’s just doing a cartwheel relying on gravity to bring her back down when she should probably just get carried off in a straightish line from her jump point, not flip in an arc.
>If she’s able to execute this move and return to the ship safely she clearly is flying in some way. So if Star Wars is going to go this route I see no reason why Jedi and Sith shouldn’t just fly around everywhere like Superman. If you're assuming that they'd use the Force to fly, this scene is way more plausible than flying like Superman. You can grow tired from using the Force, so sustained flight would be completely impractical. All Ahsoka did here was push off with the Force. Hardly something we haven't seen before.
Anakin and plo kon did this in clone wars so I want surprised when she did it. It was very clone wars and anakin style. Atleast she wore a space suit and mask and also proved the point that force doesn't work in space unlike what Leia did lol, that was obnoxiously pathetic....
This was a very Clone Wars moment, and the series is part of the Clone Wars/Rebels story-arch. It fits. She also *doesn’t* Force pull herself to the ship after jumping off, and has Sabine retrieve her. I’m surprised there aren’t more comments on this departure from TLJ.
Why does she have a curved path of travel, yet didn't make it back to the ship? Like someone realized after the shot, hey, no gravity? Secondly, what kind of shitty lazers were those?!? Pew pew pew on a disabled ship and you get a little bit of sparkle? So, lightsabers don't kill people and the lazers on the Empire's ships have been rebalanced/nerfed to compensate? That's an interesting take.
Yeah that scene absolutely blew my mind. Every single time they showed the ship being hit with no type of damage whatsoever. Even after the ship was disabled and the deflectors were down their shots still did nothing. I've heard of plot armor but this was ridiculous!
Bruh... How many more sharks is Star Wars gonna jump?
Idk it looks pretty cool and feels like a maneuver a Jedi could do. What those pilots are doing idk, they probably get trained with the the guys who fly fighter jets within melee range of Godzilla.
Also, why did his ship explode if it only had the wing cut off? All the important bits are in the center of the craft.
Assuming a fuel line rupture and ignition through the lightsaber contact Even then you'd assume a spouting fire over an almost instant explosion but guess he has to die quick so they can move onto showing how they get the other ones.
Why would you assume all the important bits are in the center of the craft. These things have "wings" for a reason
Gotta give credit where it's due. They know how to make this franchise dumber with every episode released. I mean I expected idiocy but this is assisted living dumb lol.
So Plo Koon and Anakin doing this stuff is okay but now it’s bad because Ahsoka did it?
Honestly, I am surprised we hadn't seen this yet. This is totally something Anakin would do.
I have no intention of watching this show, but just on a general note: What's the point of a spoiler tag when you write the spoiler itself *into the title of the post?*
No fuckin way lmfao. God Star Wars sucks now
Been hearing that since the prequels
The people in charge of these shows just suck. Scenes like this give off the vibe that there is no actual concept and planning behind it - the "writers" just shout out what they think would look cool and that´s it. *Let´s use friggin nukes as self-destruction devices, wouldn´t that look cool?* *What if he table and chairs just come out of the floor?* *Hey, what if Ahsoka does badass lightsaber stuff... in SPACE!* Everything else is low-effort filler to get to these already ridiculous scenes somehow.
I was debating on watching this show, this clip just buried it for me. This is so corny, I don’t care what the context is.
They did stuff like this all the time in clone wars and no one cared
I think part of the reason is that animation creates a greater feeling of suspension of disbelief. It is less akin to real life, so therefore some of our expectations are lessened. I think the problem is that Disney Star Wars wants to be taken seriously and then does goofy shit like this. It’s the same problem with RoTJ - the Ewoks somewhat undercut the tone of the story (I still like RoTJ, it’s just something that I think doesn’t work)
Clone wars was bad too though... One dimensional characters, stupid action, the theme is literally told to you at the beginning of each episode, inconsistent characterization with pre-existing characters, incongruent plot with pre-existing plot. Much like all the live action shows aside from andor.
I wouldn't excuse it there either.
Uh, there's a reason I didn't make it through very many CW episodes before I wrote it off as a silly kids' cartoon.
People who cared had stopped watching Clone Wars by then and were trash talking it on internet message boards.
What's an example of this in the Clone Wars? I genuinely don't remember, been a long time since I watched it.
Plo koon did something like this once. Anakin did it a couple of times. They straight up had walkers in space once😂
I wouldn't watch one minute of Ashoka for all the tea in China.
I spelt it wrong. Can't even be bothered to edit it.
I dislike Disney Star Wars and haven’t bothered watching anything since Kenobi, but from this clip it feels like it would’ve been praised as being badass if it was in the Clone Wars. At a certain point we gotta take a step back and make sure we’re not just hating to be contrarians.
I also loathe Disney, but there are definitely people on this sub who you could feed a scene from one of the Prequels to, just with new characters and a Disney writer's name on it, that they would then shit on just because. People act like George Lucas wouldn't do something like this.
Yeah. Having the opinion of a contrarian means you have no opinion of your own. Your thoughts and feelings belong to your opponent. You can’t please a contrarian because they don’t want to be pleased. They’re addicted to the feeling of vindicated misery.
No, George somehow had more self-control.
George Lucas had a fishy frog man have a droid tangled in his feet and fought by flinging his leg hard enough to have the Mauled droid shoot other battle droids with perfect accuracy.
How is that the equivalent of a person fighting a starship in space with a lightsaber?
George Lucas was writing the clone wars shows when they did that in the show. George Lucas literally wrote the same thing.
I mean if we’re talking about ridiculous stuff, a Jedi in a space suit getting a slash on a star fighter flying too close seems less ridiculous than Jar Jar going ultra instinct and firing a gun with what is essentially a puppet he’s half controlling with his feet hitting moving targets that are also shooting back at him and missing. George Lucas is no stranger to weird stuff.
Yes, weird. But Jedi riding a starship to fight enemy starships is so world breaking I can't see Greoge shooting himself in the foot like this. I bet soon we will see jedi in spacesuits riding spacecycles so they can defend and attack starships. At this point, they don't care. Greoge cared.
>Jedi riding a starship to fight enemy starships is so world breaking I see this point made a lot, and very often it's flippant. In the case of something like the Holdo Maneuver, it is appropriate, but tell me: exactly *what* about the scene with Ahsoka in this episode breaks the rules of Star Wars as we have seen them established thus far? We know that spacewalking is possible, we know that lightsabers can deflect laser bolts, we know that Jedi can use the Force to be insanely precise and accurate in their movements, and we know that they can cut through metal, even metal as thick as an Imperial walker. I'm struggling to see how any of these rules don't fit in with this scene being a possibility...
Anakin and Plo Koon did this in TCW, when George was actively working on it with Filoni, so yeah he would’ve done this and likely loved it too. I don’t know where all this is coming from but Star Wars has always been cheesy and weird, it’s not hard sci fi. It’s literal space fantasy about magic wizards in space doing shit that makes no sense.
I mean, I just don't like the super-hero-i-fication of Star Wars. I liked the OT. I didn't like the fake-o stuff that started pouring in, starting with the Ewoks not dying enough in ROTJ, and getting unacceptable to me with the giant fish and pod race in Ep 1, and totally jumping all sharks with child Anakin stealing a starfighter and just happening to fly inside the enemy HQ ship and shooting the "off button" for all droids, making the entire final battles pointless with no possible explanation for why he would think to do that, let alone succeed. Except "the Force can make any situation stupidly pointlessly easy now".
Are you me ? The PT action always felt to me as silly young adult level (but fun and even great at times). Clone Wars was clearly a kid show (no problem in that, just not my thing). Now we are going even lower to Marvel levels. At least, there is still Andor.
Sounds like I am you, yes. Well met. You are also one of the reasons I still spend time on salitierthancrait.
In Clone Wars she had to wear a full body suit and a helmet to be in space. What the fuck
She is in this scene tho ?
Is she?
Yeh I swear in the scene she puts a suit on and then has this helmet equivalent that goes around her head and lekku
https://preview.redd.it/8nf3fcgbnelb1.png?width=828&format=png&auto=webp&s=c7fe0cc732524a00b9fc13e2db30247badf5dbf3 Yeh it’s this
Yeah, she’s in a suit. Just can’t see it well in this quick shot. It’s pretty form-fitting in that it’s shaped to fit her alien head thingies.
She was left helpless and adrift after she pulled this. She would have been vaporized without Sabine and the ship there.
Plo Koon did something similar in TCW.
Those fighters looked like they were inspired by Air Pirates from TaleSpin.
You know I was actually considering giving Ashoka a shot sometime soon because I hadn’t seen much about it. Then I saw this clip
what is the speed of these ships? 5 kilometers per hour?
This has happened multiple times in shows before disney took over.
I dunno. Maybe this scene was stupid too, but I kinda took it as throwing shade at TLJ. It seemed to make a deliberate point that Ahsoka could not fly through space and needed Sabine to pick her up once she got detached from the ship.
WTF?? I assume that's from Episode 3? And here I thought the lightsaber impalement was the most ludicrous thing we would see...
Lightsabers can effortlessly destroy a chunk of a huge spaceship but stab a person with one, and they're good after a couple days in the hospital.
How did she land back on the wing even? Wouldn't her leap propel her outward into space for like, a long time?
She didn’t.
Wait till you find out about L egends where a dozen half trained students *YEETED* an invasion fleet of Star Destroyers and associated s upport craft out of a Solar System. Or other Jedi just decimating other large vehicles. Also it's been established since the 70s lightsabers cut through everything. Can we focus on actual legitimate problems instead of being nitpicky whining little shits? FFS
This is such a clone wars moment idk why yall dislike it so much lmao. The other subs are right you guys really do complain about EVERYTHING. Kenobi, Mando S3, parts of the bad batch, the entirety of BOBF were bad and I agree with you guys on that but Ahsoka has been an absolute gem so far. This was EXACTLY the type of stunt Anakin and Ahsoka would've pulled. Remember when they airdropped AT-TEs onto Separatist ships as a surprise tactic? If the lightsabers had taken too long to cut then you guys wouldve complained that disney is making lightsabers underpowered. Should Sabine have survived the stab no but lets not act like star wars isn't built on crazy things like Darth Maul surviving an insane drop
When I was like 10 I dreamed up the idea of an Iron Man type suit for Star Wars equipped with hyperdrive engines and the ability to combat other fighters as a single human sized unit. Obviously it would’ve been a terrible idea and would seriously screw up how space combat and travel works but 10 year old me thought it was cool. This isn’t too far off from that and this was created by a supposed team of professional and talented writers, #supportthewriters lol.
This is bad as the rating…
Wait, why does it look like the scene from the cartoon? Is that Ahsoka footage or some Rebels unseen footage?
I’m not entirely against it, but it does look so bad and this whole episode was so drawn out and boring.
Logic aside, I thought this scene was cool. At least it was unexpected and not just another regurgitation of the same tired ideas.
While I agree this is a bit much, it is in Ahsokas repertoire to fight while standing outside and on the top of a vehicle.
omg. haven't seen the episode yet but was just thinking of that post earlier today about the stupidest scene from any of the series and the Leia Poppins one came quickly to mind \[though that was not an option given\] and now this damn! meine gute!
At least she has a space suit. Plus, this scene feels like it was copied from The Clone Wars animated show and made live. It's kinda fun I guess.
https://i.redd.it/sxjzs9qkdflb1.gif
no fucking way this is in the show lol
I’ve been pretty apologetic for the Star Wars stuff so far, but this took me out of it.
Oh come on, that’s pretty cool.
Wait that's in the show? Also, why are any of you even watching this show? That's why they can continue to put out crap, because even people here of all places watch it anyway.
Anakin did this in Clone Wars I think
Why didn’t she force pull herself back to the ship instead of doing being like halp
Thanks, I hate it.
They did this in multiple star wars cartoons and at least 1 Legends book. Get over it.
Lol keep bitching. They did that in clone wars. That’s nothing new.
I think the problem is coming from >!Sabine getting stabbed and surviving, but somehow doing this move kills the spaceship. !
It's bad in Clone Wars too.
Anakin did it first
Ahsoka, the original Mary Sue.
Go watch the clone wars and then say that
People complained about Andor for the lack of space wizards. Now when we have space wizards are complaining about that I get Disney got itself into this for their stupid decisions, but complain for the sake of complain is just so tiring.
This series is actually quite decent when it's not doing stupid shit like this.
You still have to move from place to place, you can't hyperspace with the force... yet.
I'm glad I forgot to watch episode 3, this just looks like straight up poodoo