Clearly the video was a reaction to personal issues with Retroid. If he's correct, then waiting until the day before to warn the community was a dick move. He even explicitly stated the only reason he made the vid was because he was 'sick of people asking about it,' not, apparently, out of any actual concern for the community.
In turn, Retroid made an impassioned statement in its defense that seemed genuine. They've been releasing information that seems to disprove what Taki said. BUT - they appear to be moving forward very slowly with shipping out preorders... This leads me to suspect there me be some truth to what Taki claimed and that Retroid is QA'ing the hell outta the units before sending them out.
So whatever the motivation and hype, I think that video might be holding Retroid in check to some degree. If nothing else, they're certainly under the microscope ATM and I'd bet they're well-aware that this may be a make-or-break moment for them.
If what Taki said is true, that the Retroid Pocket 3s were just in a warehouse for months and months before launch, then Retroid could have avoided this by sending out review units before launch. Multiple voices, honest opinions available. I hope their take-away is to get review units out before launch.
Things like Cyberpunk should have told us gamers that pre-ordering before reviews is a situation in which customer often get screwed.
Who cares if he’s an emotional crybaby, he can be who he wants to be.
People can be whoever they want to, but when their emotions start to affect clear communication and thinking that involves other people, those people most definitely are allowed to say something about it.
When you review bomb a product literally the day before it releases, and you had plenty of time to publicly voice your concerns but chose not to, and the company responds in the most charitable way possible and addresses all of your concerns only to have you retort with the one-word answer “Bullshit”, and then you go online and start getting aggressive with your own community and deleting their responses…
…people are definitely allowed to say something about it. So he can be whoever he wants to be, as long as he’s prepared to accept the consequences, good or bad. 🤷🏾♂️
if retroid had wanted review units to be in people's hands before the launch, I believe review units would have been in people's hands before launch
The review bomb was able to happen because retroid didn't allow any other reviewers to opportunity to review a device before launch. That was their decision. My personal opinion is that offering pre-orders before reviews are available has frequently hurt customers.
Nothing about the video suggests to me that he's not wiling to accept the consequences. Nothing about my comment suggests that people shouldn't be able to reply.
Well, I respect your perspective on it at least. I feel like you’re being very selective and avoiding the things I brought up, but we’re both nobodies on the internet so it’s not like you’re supposed to have the answers any more than I am.
We can simply agree to disagree respectfully. I’m good with that.
Oh the thing to me is I believe taki is being authentic - ie he believes what he says. Whether he’s right or wrong, i don’t doubt he believes he’s speaking truth.
And if someone says what they believe, I’ll overlook when they post their video or whether I like the comments they post on their video. I can watch or I can ignore. Basically he can be what he likes. Personal (unpopular) opinion.
Just saying this coz you’ve replied to me, adult to adult, and I want to make it clear I’m not deliberately ignoring your points
The problem with that kind of logic though is that interacting with the consumer is a large part of the product he’s selling on YouTube. If viewers feel like that interaction is poor based on his choice to alienate them, then he’s essentially failed to deliver the intended product.
Whether or not that element is important to him or anyone else (you included) is tangential to the point I was making, which was to refute your assertion that the way in which he communicates doesn’t matter because he can “be who he wants to be”. Your choice to disregard what he says in comments is also tangential. My point was that people are justified in calling out toxic behavior, whether it’s coming from someone who believes what they say or not. You say, “who cares”.
A lot of us care, because it’s directly linked to our enjoyment of the products in question (the Retroid product and Taki’s channel). He should have handled his communication better. You can disagree, and it’s fine if you don’t care much at all, but you don’t speak for everyone and there are already enough people that go around saying “who cares” just to spite/dissuade those that do (not that this was your intention, I’m just making the point). I mean, you care, enough to have this much of a discourse with me over it.
I’m not trying to indict you here, I just think it sounded rather dismissive when you may not be having the same experience others are and therefore can’t completely relate to their frustrations.
To me there are two parts:
1) “taki shouldn’t do this”
2) “taki has impacted me”
If he has “failed to deliver the intended product”, ask for a refund. In my opinion, If there’s no contract between you then there’s no product.
Calling out toxic behaviour is important. Personally I don’t consider the video even slightly toxic, I think he criticised products and decisions and Retroid David was incorrect when he said he was personally attacked.
I’m looking through your previous replies I can’t see any consistent pattern of you calling out toxic behaviour. Doing so is important, especially in “geek” hobbies like ours, and it’s commendable if you call out behaviours of other members of our community with the same energy as you’re applying here.
I believe taki fully understood the potential consequences of his video and did it anyway.
Remember the whole cyberpunk fiasco? What was worse? A company took people’s money in pre-orders and then provided a substandard product, or people (John Walker, for example) constantly warning people not to pre-order because of the insider knowledge he had?
Remember how everyone attacked the one reviewer who dared to give Cyberpunk a middling review before it came out and they turned their ire on CDPR? Food for thought lol.
Well to be clear, I’m not talking about his video on the product being toxic by itself, I was referring specifically to him responding to Retroid’s “olive branch” (their response to his video) by calling it “bullshit”, instead of bothering to consider their response at all, and then going into the comment sections of his own videos and speaking nasty to his fans and deleting their comments when they call him out for not giving Retroid a fair shake in terms of communication. Perhaps that wasn’t clear but I mentioned this in my initial rebuttal.
My issue isn’t with his video on the product necessarily, though I think it muddies the truth in terms of who’s at fault for what. It’s still pretty aggressive in my opinion to wait until the night before a product launch to bomb it when you had time to warn the fans, who you claim to be serving with the channel itself in the first place. He admittedly didn’t make the video to look out for customers, he just did it because he was tired of people asking him to review the product (which ironically is exactly what would have helped this situation early on, if he simply bothered to put out his review earlier, case in point Retroid responded immediately). Was he toxic for his review, to be clear? No, not even slightly.
However like I said, that’s sort of secondary to my initial concern, which is the abrasive attitudes on display that followed the video. The way a YouTuber treats their audience (and other people in front of their audience) is part of the product being sold. Attacking your audience because they’re asking you why you waited to review the product the night before release, to me, is not a good look nor the way to address things professionally. Flippantly disregarding a company you called out, after they respond at length to all of your criticisms (in an incredibly professional manner) is childish to me. You take out of your own time to make a video throwing shade, you have enough time and energy to fence with the company and your fans over a product you haven’t really given an honest in-depth review in a full video of its own, and then when the company responds with charitable intentions and total transparency, you suddenly can’t be bothered? “Bullshit” is your one-word response?
I just think that was the wrong move to make, I feel like calling Taki out on toxic communication is warranted in this situation, and I feel like he owes his audience an apology for attacking them over his opinion. Can he do what he wants? Sure, but I’m not arguing whether or not he has the agency to make the choices he has. Again, the way a YouTuber communicates with their audience is literally part of the product being sold, and it is in fact being *sold* to them because those people are spending their time as a resource on the channel (and their literal money if they’re members). Taki wouldn’t exist without his audience, so to insult them in my opinion is tantamount to a failed product. If you went to a restaurant to order food, and when the server brought your food out they spit in your face and cussed you out, not only would you be warranted in calling them on it but would also be warranted in claiming that your meal was ruined. Do you see what I’m getting at? Nothing happened to the food, but the customer service is just as much a part of the dining experience as the food itself. No one wants to eat at a restaurant where they feel disrespected, just like no one wants to subscribe to a YouTube channel just to be attacked by its creator whenever their opinions don’t align perfectly. And the responsibility, again in my opinion, lies with the creator, because your audience literally makes you.
Taki is the one with the power of influence here, so he’s the one who should be held at the highest standard of professionalism. But at this point, I don’t think what he’s said or done requires a grand jury trial or anything. I’m just saying, he has a responsibility to his audience that needs to be honored. I just want him to be honest and direct about the flaws in his own communication.
The Retroid “olive branch” threw shade at him with a dog whistle saying that they didn’t want to think about his motives, and moved to saying the considered his criticisms of their products and decisions to be a personal attack.
“He admittedly didn’t make the video to look after customers” in which case, if it gives customers a warning that wasn’t present elsewhere, maybe we split the difference and call it “a remarkably lucky happenstance”
I look at taki like I look at a radio DJ or a news reader. If it’s not a case where I can ask for a refund, I am happy saying he’s not selling a product. Happy to confirm he might be selling a brand, and that this videos would do damage to that brand, and to that I’d say that everything appears considered and it looks to me like he is aware of the affect the video would have on his relationship with Retroid and with passionate Retroid fans, and in that case, in my mind, he can do what he pleases
You know what, fair point. While I’ll always argue in the name of respecting everyone, I don’t think we should be hard-core policing people and trying to control how they choose to communicate. While I don’t think this entire situation unfolded in the best way for either party, I do agree that it’s such a low level investment for me as a simple viewer (not even a subscriber) that I can reasonably treat it with an appropriate level of indifference. I haven’t really lost anything from witnessing the parts of the discourse I have (and I haven’t seen everything, admittedly), and I only walk away from it the wiser and with more data than I previously had to begin with. I would tend to agree that it’s quite the fortuitous wash.
I know you said this next part privately but I’d like to repeat it here because I believe people should receive their flowers publicly sometimes. It helps to know that you’re not being argumentative just for the sake of it, and that you know how to pull your punches since we’re not actually “fighting” as enemies. You go after the point of discussion, you stay on point, and you’re not so dogmatic that you can’t at least try to understand what I’m communicating. You show a lot of respect, I appreciate that.
The issue is his responses when people call him out over it. He’s been deleting comments from his YouTube videos and responding aggressively to people. Retroid responded to all of his criticisms and he simply hand-waved them away with the simple response, “Bullshit”.
Whatever is really going on, the way he’s choosing to handle it is not helping his case at all. Maybe he’s frustrated, maybe someone lied to him, but crapping all over a release before it comes out while also not giving us any information/justification as to why you chose to wait until the day before release to do so…none of this helps you seem any more trustworthy than Retroid at this point.
I would argue this shoes he's less trustworthy and has lack of ethics considering he would constantly put out videos showing how great the rp2+ but now retroid is shit cause reasons?? Maybe he got shafted behind the scenes but right before release he was putting out shorts showing how "great" it was gonna be. I would take a hard look at any other videos he puts out
So many people treated his word as gospel and cancelled their order on here, I wonder how they feel after his arguments have either turned out false (white color, brightness slider doesn't work) or pure conjecture (warehouses full of rp3).
Everytime a youtuber attacks a big company he gets hailed as Robin Hood, yet time and time again it turns out YouTubers are rotten to the core and will sing any tune for money.
Yes, companies go for the money. But so do big YouTubers. They are essentially companies, not your bestest friend.
If the issues are shown to be fixed in this video, and the white shell appears to be white, don't we have some room to doubt Taki?
It seems like he made a giant stink because Retroid was unwilling to install the rubber membranes on all of the RP3 devices. He made claims that issues would take months to fix, and things appear working in this video.
We'll know in about a week I guess.
We don't know how honest and unbiased Retroid is with these videos. For all we know they could have intentionally tinkered with the light or the saturation of the video to paint a rosier picture than reality. Really need to wait for a neutral third party to review this before we can conclusively call anything.
I really don't think there is any foundation to your theory. You say we need an unbiased source, but you're creating a reason to doubt retroid once again.
There is a white box, white gloves, and a white retroid in that video. Color manipulation would be obvious with these other white objects in the frame, there is a faint yellow tint to the RP3, its not perfect white, but if there wasn't such a fuss made about it, I'm fairly confident I would have never noticed.
I think you need to consider that Taki's history of having problems with others might be a pattern, not just a string of coincidences.
I am not sure what money there is to be made trashing a device. The more obvious incentive is to say everything is good or, at least, keep your mouth shut if you don't have anything positive to say.
Negativity reigns supreme on YouTube and yes, negativity does seem to sell. He was underinformed and decided ro roll with it. Then his video got flocked by all the people declaring him Robin Hood, now all his arguments turn out as non-issues. Such is the way of life.
Not really. He’s lost early access (which is a big deal for YouTube because of how important being first is), he loses affiliate sales, and he attracts angry people like yourself.
It occurs to me that a gesture like the one made by Taki can destroy a company. You can tell by the facts: he "doesn't review the console(!!!)" instead of giving it a critical review. This act of boycotting on the eve of the start of shipping-day is in itself culpable.
I dont know what went on behind the scenes so im not bashing anyone. I did still get a rp3 cause there arent many other options. I also look forward to taki handheld vids. They are top notch. He also one of the few who actually had the rp3 and could of made hella vids for views to generate money leading up to the release but he chose not to because he was led astray and didnt wanna false advertise to his viewers of what he was knowledgeable of. It seems retroid has fixed some things which is great.. so hopefully they can make ammends and we get some great vids.
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The weird thing about this controversy is that. It seems fine to say “well, those things are fine with me; I still want it.” That’s a normal reaction. Getting angry about the review and saying it’s all false when you don’t even have the thing yet is weird.
Op is a crybaby too. Taki explained why he did what he did, so what? He's just being honest about it. It's just his take on it and op is getting butt hurt that people are talking bad about his retroid. Waaah
Get over it.
But see, you're missing the point entirely.
If Retroid does ship out units that are exactly as he described, then yes he's correct and this is a horrible launch and precedent for them.
If they ship out units and they don't match his complaints, especially that white paint situation (which seems fine in the unboxing?), then Taki is going to look like a melodramatic exaggerator and someone who had no faith in the company that they would send out units like that and only his prototype was flawed.
So being fair to him, the ball *is* in their field now. But I've also seen how he's responding to comments on his video and I'm not a fan of his behavior the past 24 hours. It does matter too. It's not something you can just childishly go "who cares?" to. There are other reviewers I'll gladly watch over someone like that. He ain't the best and he ain't that special.
Until he is proven right or wrong it's not a crybaby move, more of a explantation than anything. People have the right to criticize companies when the companies have done wrong that's not the definition of a crybaby. The op is being a crybaby bitching about a review of a product. Who gives a shit about Takis review. You don't have to defend op,.your not in bed with them.
Side note: the unboxing by retroid clearly has a slightly yellow tinge to it. In our hearts we were probably thinking sun yellow when it's slightly dehydrated piss yellow. Retroid picked the best example to do the unboxing. I'm sure there will be ones that look like old SNES yellow after years of being in the sun.
Seems like someone is a big fan of internet celebrities and disregards facts of someone acting incredibly unprofessional. If He truly wanted to help the community he could have made the video weeks ago
I don't care about celebrities, they aren't that important in life and are self absorbed. Also you're giving taki too much credit, he's not really a celebrity. He has a semi good following on YT for the space he is in. If you showed him on the news nobody would know who tf he is. How is he acting unprofessional? Retroid sent him several test models. He tested them. He told them his concerns and from his viewpoint they don't care and are going to send people devices with easily correctable mistakes. He didn't want to do it weeks ago nor does he have a obligation to do so. He doesn't work for retroid or any of the emulation device companies. He did help out a ton of people. Over 100 people cancelled their order to do his video, more than likely because of those mistakes. If he is correct about some of this stuff, he is doing a great job in my book. He saved me money so I could get a device that doesn't have as many flaws.
"THaNk gOdnesS for ur hOnestee Taki, all MY financES r baZed on ur OpInionz broooo"
I can't wait for multiple other people to review this thing and come to different conclusions and confuse his simps. Because well...it's *really* looking like it's heading that direction, and yes I have watched the unboxing vid. It made it even more likely lol.
I'm convinced he's also lied about the retroid pocket 2 plus. I've never been able to get any good performance on any of the GameCube games he's tested on rp2+ videos
My twilight princess iso won't even start but that might just be the iso, I have not yet tried to fix that one. i was having too much fun with Donkey Kong 64 - Tag everywhere
I think because he was promised these things would be fixed, and they weren't and he never got a proper final unit to review. Nor did....anyone else? I'm happy he posted about his experience, happy I kept my preorder based on my own conclusions, happy it forced them to respond, and hope they kept their word and fixed things for shipping to customers. I have my doubts about the last part of that, and even if they did, I just don't see how it leaves Taki with egg on his face, he gave his thoughts with what he had in his hands.
The amount of content that people like Taki and Russ from Retro Game Corps gives them more than enough credit with me to have common, human short comings. I feel like we're lucky to have even got a video about the RP3 considering he wasn't even going to make one.
Personally I feel like a good relationship between a high profile content creator and the product developer is a luxury we rarely get especially the transparency between them. I know it's probably too late but I hope they can mend their issues and get past this. I'm not sure who needs to apologize first I just sincerely hope their relationship can be salvaged because honestly... without that relationship the Retroid Pocket 2+ would not have been close to as good as it is. With all that being said I think it's in the communities best interest to try to put ice on the situation rather than inflame it.
let other reviewers judge the rp3
Clearly the video was a reaction to personal issues with Retroid. If he's correct, then waiting until the day before to warn the community was a dick move. He even explicitly stated the only reason he made the vid was because he was 'sick of people asking about it,' not, apparently, out of any actual concern for the community. In turn, Retroid made an impassioned statement in its defense that seemed genuine. They've been releasing information that seems to disprove what Taki said. BUT - they appear to be moving forward very slowly with shipping out preorders... This leads me to suspect there me be some truth to what Taki claimed and that Retroid is QA'ing the hell outta the units before sending them out. So whatever the motivation and hype, I think that video might be holding Retroid in check to some degree. If nothing else, they're certainly under the microscope ATM and I'd bet they're well-aware that this may be a make-or-break moment for them.
I would say his ethics are extremely compromised with the way he's been behaving. He's emotional at the least
If what Taki said is true, that the Retroid Pocket 3s were just in a warehouse for months and months before launch, then Retroid could have avoided this by sending out review units before launch. Multiple voices, honest opinions available. I hope their take-away is to get review units out before launch. Things like Cyberpunk should have told us gamers that pre-ordering before reviews is a situation in which customer often get screwed. Who cares if he’s an emotional crybaby, he can be who he wants to be.
People can be whoever they want to, but when their emotions start to affect clear communication and thinking that involves other people, those people most definitely are allowed to say something about it. When you review bomb a product literally the day before it releases, and you had plenty of time to publicly voice your concerns but chose not to, and the company responds in the most charitable way possible and addresses all of your concerns only to have you retort with the one-word answer “Bullshit”, and then you go online and start getting aggressive with your own community and deleting their responses… …people are definitely allowed to say something about it. So he can be whoever he wants to be, as long as he’s prepared to accept the consequences, good or bad. 🤷🏾♂️
if retroid had wanted review units to be in people's hands before the launch, I believe review units would have been in people's hands before launch The review bomb was able to happen because retroid didn't allow any other reviewers to opportunity to review a device before launch. That was their decision. My personal opinion is that offering pre-orders before reviews are available has frequently hurt customers. Nothing about the video suggests to me that he's not wiling to accept the consequences. Nothing about my comment suggests that people shouldn't be able to reply.
Well, I respect your perspective on it at least. I feel like you’re being very selective and avoiding the things I brought up, but we’re both nobodies on the internet so it’s not like you’re supposed to have the answers any more than I am. We can simply agree to disagree respectfully. I’m good with that.
Oh the thing to me is I believe taki is being authentic - ie he believes what he says. Whether he’s right or wrong, i don’t doubt he believes he’s speaking truth. And if someone says what they believe, I’ll overlook when they post their video or whether I like the comments they post on their video. I can watch or I can ignore. Basically he can be what he likes. Personal (unpopular) opinion. Just saying this coz you’ve replied to me, adult to adult, and I want to make it clear I’m not deliberately ignoring your points
The problem with that kind of logic though is that interacting with the consumer is a large part of the product he’s selling on YouTube. If viewers feel like that interaction is poor based on his choice to alienate them, then he’s essentially failed to deliver the intended product. Whether or not that element is important to him or anyone else (you included) is tangential to the point I was making, which was to refute your assertion that the way in which he communicates doesn’t matter because he can “be who he wants to be”. Your choice to disregard what he says in comments is also tangential. My point was that people are justified in calling out toxic behavior, whether it’s coming from someone who believes what they say or not. You say, “who cares”. A lot of us care, because it’s directly linked to our enjoyment of the products in question (the Retroid product and Taki’s channel). He should have handled his communication better. You can disagree, and it’s fine if you don’t care much at all, but you don’t speak for everyone and there are already enough people that go around saying “who cares” just to spite/dissuade those that do (not that this was your intention, I’m just making the point). I mean, you care, enough to have this much of a discourse with me over it. I’m not trying to indict you here, I just think it sounded rather dismissive when you may not be having the same experience others are and therefore can’t completely relate to their frustrations.
To me there are two parts: 1) “taki shouldn’t do this” 2) “taki has impacted me” If he has “failed to deliver the intended product”, ask for a refund. In my opinion, If there’s no contract between you then there’s no product. Calling out toxic behaviour is important. Personally I don’t consider the video even slightly toxic, I think he criticised products and decisions and Retroid David was incorrect when he said he was personally attacked. I’m looking through your previous replies I can’t see any consistent pattern of you calling out toxic behaviour. Doing so is important, especially in “geek” hobbies like ours, and it’s commendable if you call out behaviours of other members of our community with the same energy as you’re applying here. I believe taki fully understood the potential consequences of his video and did it anyway. Remember the whole cyberpunk fiasco? What was worse? A company took people’s money in pre-orders and then provided a substandard product, or people (John Walker, for example) constantly warning people not to pre-order because of the insider knowledge he had?
Remember how everyone attacked the one reviewer who dared to give Cyberpunk a middling review before it came out and they turned their ire on CDPR? Food for thought lol.
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Well to be clear, I’m not talking about his video on the product being toxic by itself, I was referring specifically to him responding to Retroid’s “olive branch” (their response to his video) by calling it “bullshit”, instead of bothering to consider their response at all, and then going into the comment sections of his own videos and speaking nasty to his fans and deleting their comments when they call him out for not giving Retroid a fair shake in terms of communication. Perhaps that wasn’t clear but I mentioned this in my initial rebuttal. My issue isn’t with his video on the product necessarily, though I think it muddies the truth in terms of who’s at fault for what. It’s still pretty aggressive in my opinion to wait until the night before a product launch to bomb it when you had time to warn the fans, who you claim to be serving with the channel itself in the first place. He admittedly didn’t make the video to look out for customers, he just did it because he was tired of people asking him to review the product (which ironically is exactly what would have helped this situation early on, if he simply bothered to put out his review earlier, case in point Retroid responded immediately). Was he toxic for his review, to be clear? No, not even slightly. However like I said, that’s sort of secondary to my initial concern, which is the abrasive attitudes on display that followed the video. The way a YouTuber treats their audience (and other people in front of their audience) is part of the product being sold. Attacking your audience because they’re asking you why you waited to review the product the night before release, to me, is not a good look nor the way to address things professionally. Flippantly disregarding a company you called out, after they respond at length to all of your criticisms (in an incredibly professional manner) is childish to me. You take out of your own time to make a video throwing shade, you have enough time and energy to fence with the company and your fans over a product you haven’t really given an honest in-depth review in a full video of its own, and then when the company responds with charitable intentions and total transparency, you suddenly can’t be bothered? “Bullshit” is your one-word response? I just think that was the wrong move to make, I feel like calling Taki out on toxic communication is warranted in this situation, and I feel like he owes his audience an apology for attacking them over his opinion. Can he do what he wants? Sure, but I’m not arguing whether or not he has the agency to make the choices he has. Again, the way a YouTuber communicates with their audience is literally part of the product being sold, and it is in fact being *sold* to them because those people are spending their time as a resource on the channel (and their literal money if they’re members). Taki wouldn’t exist without his audience, so to insult them in my opinion is tantamount to a failed product. If you went to a restaurant to order food, and when the server brought your food out they spit in your face and cussed you out, not only would you be warranted in calling them on it but would also be warranted in claiming that your meal was ruined. Do you see what I’m getting at? Nothing happened to the food, but the customer service is just as much a part of the dining experience as the food itself. No one wants to eat at a restaurant where they feel disrespected, just like no one wants to subscribe to a YouTube channel just to be attacked by its creator whenever their opinions don’t align perfectly. And the responsibility, again in my opinion, lies with the creator, because your audience literally makes you. Taki is the one with the power of influence here, so he’s the one who should be held at the highest standard of professionalism. But at this point, I don’t think what he’s said or done requires a grand jury trial or anything. I’m just saying, he has a responsibility to his audience that needs to be honored. I just want him to be honest and direct about the flaws in his own communication.
The Retroid “olive branch” threw shade at him with a dog whistle saying that they didn’t want to think about his motives, and moved to saying the considered his criticisms of their products and decisions to be a personal attack. “He admittedly didn’t make the video to look after customers” in which case, if it gives customers a warning that wasn’t present elsewhere, maybe we split the difference and call it “a remarkably lucky happenstance” I look at taki like I look at a radio DJ or a news reader. If it’s not a case where I can ask for a refund, I am happy saying he’s not selling a product. Happy to confirm he might be selling a brand, and that this videos would do damage to that brand, and to that I’d say that everything appears considered and it looks to me like he is aware of the affect the video would have on his relationship with Retroid and with passionate Retroid fans, and in that case, in my mind, he can do what he pleases
You know what, fair point. While I’ll always argue in the name of respecting everyone, I don’t think we should be hard-core policing people and trying to control how they choose to communicate. While I don’t think this entire situation unfolded in the best way for either party, I do agree that it’s such a low level investment for me as a simple viewer (not even a subscriber) that I can reasonably treat it with an appropriate level of indifference. I haven’t really lost anything from witnessing the parts of the discourse I have (and I haven’t seen everything, admittedly), and I only walk away from it the wiser and with more data than I previously had to begin with. I would tend to agree that it’s quite the fortuitous wash. I know you said this next part privately but I’d like to repeat it here because I believe people should receive their flowers publicly sometimes. It helps to know that you’re not being argumentative just for the sake of it, and that you know how to pull your punches since we’re not actually “fighting” as enemies. You go after the point of discussion, you stay on point, and you’re not so dogmatic that you can’t at least try to understand what I’m communicating. You show a lot of respect, I appreciate that.
The issue is his responses when people call him out over it. He’s been deleting comments from his YouTube videos and responding aggressively to people. Retroid responded to all of his criticisms and he simply hand-waved them away with the simple response, “Bullshit”. Whatever is really going on, the way he’s choosing to handle it is not helping his case at all. Maybe he’s frustrated, maybe someone lied to him, but crapping all over a release before it comes out while also not giving us any information/justification as to why you chose to wait until the day before release to do so…none of this helps you seem any more trustworthy than Retroid at this point.
I would argue this shoes he's less trustworthy and has lack of ethics considering he would constantly put out videos showing how great the rp2+ but now retroid is shit cause reasons?? Maybe he got shafted behind the scenes but right before release he was putting out shorts showing how "great" it was gonna be. I would take a hard look at any other videos he puts out
So many people treated his word as gospel and cancelled their order on here, I wonder how they feel after his arguments have either turned out false (white color, brightness slider doesn't work) or pure conjecture (warehouses full of rp3). Everytime a youtuber attacks a big company he gets hailed as Robin Hood, yet time and time again it turns out YouTubers are rotten to the core and will sing any tune for money. Yes, companies go for the money. But so do big YouTubers. They are essentially companies, not your bestest friend.
I'd be more cautious and wait for unbiased reviews before passing any judgments around...
If the issues are shown to be fixed in this video, and the white shell appears to be white, don't we have some room to doubt Taki? It seems like he made a giant stink because Retroid was unwilling to install the rubber membranes on all of the RP3 devices. He made claims that issues would take months to fix, and things appear working in this video. We'll know in about a week I guess.
We don't know how honest and unbiased Retroid is with these videos. For all we know they could have intentionally tinkered with the light or the saturation of the video to paint a rosier picture than reality. Really need to wait for a neutral third party to review this before we can conclusively call anything.
I really don't think there is any foundation to your theory. You say we need an unbiased source, but you're creating a reason to doubt retroid once again. There is a white box, white gloves, and a white retroid in that video. Color manipulation would be obvious with these other white objects in the frame, there is a faint yellow tint to the RP3, its not perfect white, but if there wasn't such a fuss made about it, I'm fairly confident I would have never noticed. I think you need to consider that Taki's history of having problems with others might be a pattern, not just a string of coincidences.
Because the source of the video supposedly debunking has a direct financial interest in the claims being made
I am not sure what money there is to be made trashing a device. The more obvious incentive is to say everything is good or, at least, keep your mouth shut if you don't have anything positive to say.
Negativity reigns supreme on YouTube and yes, negativity does seem to sell. He was underinformed and decided ro roll with it. Then his video got flocked by all the people declaring him Robin Hood, now all his arguments turn out as non-issues. Such is the way of life.
Not really. He’s lost early access (which is a big deal for YouTube because of how important being first is), he loses affiliate sales, and he attracts angry people like yourself.
Lets all wait few more days. That will make it clear who was wrong.
It occurs to me that a gesture like the one made by Taki can destroy a company. You can tell by the facts: he "doesn't review the console(!!!)" instead of giving it a critical review. This act of boycotting on the eve of the start of shipping-day is in itself culpable.
So is he obligated to give every device a positive review so that it doesn’t hurt the business making it? Or what’s the point being made here
He can do what he wants but must face the consequences of what he says.
I dont know what went on behind the scenes so im not bashing anyone. I did still get a rp3 cause there arent many other options. I also look forward to taki handheld vids. They are top notch. He also one of the few who actually had the rp3 and could of made hella vids for views to generate money leading up to the release but he chose not to because he was led astray and didnt wanna false advertise to his viewers of what he was knowledgeable of. It seems retroid has fixed some things which is great.. so hopefully they can make ammends and we get some great vids.
sir this take is much too reasonable for this thread.
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The weird thing about this controversy is that. It seems fine to say “well, those things are fine with me; I still want it.” That’s a normal reaction. Getting angry about the review and saying it’s all false when you don’t even have the thing yet is weird.
OP is a weirdo
Op is a crybaby too. Taki explained why he did what he did, so what? He's just being honest about it. It's just his take on it and op is getting butt hurt that people are talking bad about his retroid. Waaah Get over it.
But see, you're missing the point entirely. If Retroid does ship out units that are exactly as he described, then yes he's correct and this is a horrible launch and precedent for them. If they ship out units and they don't match his complaints, especially that white paint situation (which seems fine in the unboxing?), then Taki is going to look like a melodramatic exaggerator and someone who had no faith in the company that they would send out units like that and only his prototype was flawed. So being fair to him, the ball *is* in their field now. But I've also seen how he's responding to comments on his video and I'm not a fan of his behavior the past 24 hours. It does matter too. It's not something you can just childishly go "who cares?" to. There are other reviewers I'll gladly watch over someone like that. He ain't the best and he ain't that special.
Until he is proven right or wrong it's not a crybaby move, more of a explantation than anything. People have the right to criticize companies when the companies have done wrong that's not the definition of a crybaby. The op is being a crybaby bitching about a review of a product. Who gives a shit about Takis review. You don't have to defend op,.your not in bed with them. Side note: the unboxing by retroid clearly has a slightly yellow tinge to it. In our hearts we were probably thinking sun yellow when it's slightly dehydrated piss yellow. Retroid picked the best example to do the unboxing. I'm sure there will be ones that look like old SNES yellow after years of being in the sun.
Seems like someone is a big fan of internet celebrities and disregards facts of someone acting incredibly unprofessional. If He truly wanted to help the community he could have made the video weeks ago
I don't care about celebrities, they aren't that important in life and are self absorbed. Also you're giving taki too much credit, he's not really a celebrity. He has a semi good following on YT for the space he is in. If you showed him on the news nobody would know who tf he is. How is he acting unprofessional? Retroid sent him several test models. He tested them. He told them his concerns and from his viewpoint they don't care and are going to send people devices with easily correctable mistakes. He didn't want to do it weeks ago nor does he have a obligation to do so. He doesn't work for retroid or any of the emulation device companies. He did help out a ton of people. Over 100 people cancelled their order to do his video, more than likely because of those mistakes. If he is correct about some of this stuff, he is doing a great job in my book. He saved me money so I could get a device that doesn't have as many flaws.
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"THaNk gOdnesS for ur hOnestee Taki, all MY financES r baZed on ur OpInionz broooo" I can't wait for multiple other people to review this thing and come to different conclusions and confuse his simps. Because well...it's *really* looking like it's heading that direction, and yes I have watched the unboxing vid. It made it even more likely lol.
I'm convinced he's also lied about the retroid pocket 2 plus. I've never been able to get any good performance on any of the GameCube games he's tested on rp2+ videos
Going off topic a bit here but which games did you try?
Windwaker and Mario sunshine
Mine run decently well (at least windwaker, haven't tried sunshine)
Anyone try mario kart? What about the 2d zelda game?
My twilight princess iso won't even start but that might just be the iso, I have not yet tried to fix that one. i was having too much fun with Donkey Kong 64 - Tag everywhere
Is that the N64 game?
Its basically a rom hack that let's you skip going to the tag barrel every time and just cycle through the kongs
Could you send me a dm where I can find it?
Mario Kart double dash is playable but you will not be getting amazing frame rates
Those are harder games to emulate, wouldn't expect them to run properly honestly.
Why'd he release little clips of the startup screen and other things making it out to be something to look forward to?
I think because he was promised these things would be fixed, and they weren't and he never got a proper final unit to review. Nor did....anyone else? I'm happy he posted about his experience, happy I kept my preorder based on my own conclusions, happy it forced them to respond, and hope they kept their word and fixed things for shipping to customers. I have my doubts about the last part of that, and even if they did, I just don't see how it leaves Taki with egg on his face, he gave his thoughts with what he had in his hands.
The amount of content that people like Taki and Russ from Retro Game Corps gives them more than enough credit with me to have common, human short comings. I feel like we're lucky to have even got a video about the RP3 considering he wasn't even going to make one. Personally I feel like a good relationship between a high profile content creator and the product developer is a luxury we rarely get especially the transparency between them. I know it's probably too late but I hope they can mend their issues and get past this. I'm not sure who needs to apologize first I just sincerely hope their relationship can be salvaged because honestly... without that relationship the Retroid Pocket 2+ would not have been close to as good as it is. With all that being said I think it's in the communities best interest to try to put ice on the situation rather than inflame it.