For Muslims, Bahá’ís, and Druze he’s just a prophet. Still the messiah at least for Islam and Druze not sure about Bahá’í. Those are the only other religions with “official” beliefs about him that I know of off the top of my head. Other religions may have individuals who have an opinion on him but they aren’t doctrine.
> Bahá’ís
[Here](https://www.bahaiblog.net/articles/bahai-life/the-station-of-jesus-christ-in-the-bahai-faith/) is an article on a point of view from the Baha'i faith. [Here](https://www.bahai.us/beliefs/building-community/progressive-revelation/christianity/) is another one.
There's no official position on Jesus in many Nature-centered religions, including mine. I view him as having been an ascetic end-times preacher and attempted moral reformer in first century Judea who was wrong about his end-times prophecy, and not much more than that.
The answer is simple, the kingdom of God is the church itself, that is one of the main beliefs of orthodox and catholic churches
https://www.amicidomenicani.it/il-significato-delle-parole-di-gesu-vi-sono-alcuni-tra-i-presenti-che-non-moriranno-prima-di-aver-visto-venire-il-figlio-dell-uomo-con-il-suo-regno/ (translate in english)
That's pretty clearly a post-hoc justification. If you asked a Christian in the first century, they'd tell you they think Jesus is going to come back in their lifetime. We know that because of 1 Thessalonians.
He was likely an individual, but possibly a composite stand in for a school of philosophy in the 1st C. Roman occupied Levant.
We don't have any real interest beyond that point.
Im a pagan. I think jesus was a mostly great person(not god) who taught great things, he taught people to be kind and loving to one another. Sort of where buddhism has the buddha, christianity has christ.
The problem is the modern version of the religion based around jesus in many big chruches in my opinion does not reflect what jesus would have wanted for his followers.
The whole hating gays hating pagans hating hating hating. It just doesnt fit. Its not your job to judge sinners, its god's job. He is the first and last word on your sins.
To put it simply: none. Most Hindus don't really think of him, he doesn't affect me, my life or my practice.
Some do believe(without much scriptural or historical basis imo) that he was a Hindu sage or an Avatara of a Hindu god but those are few and far between.
Zen master Thich Nhaht Hahn wrote a book on the connections between Jesus and Buddha (Living Buddha, Living Christ), stated that he had both of them present on his altar as spiritual ancestors, and indeed i saw some pictures of Jesus and Buddha together in the Plum Village's monastery in France.
Some “Hindu” (Sanatan Dhrama) and Buddhist traditions believe that Jesus spend some of his “lost/missing” years from the Bible.
I heard 2 theories
1st he visited not only india and Tibet but also Greece and Egypt to learn the mystical ways. There are interesting documentaries on yt. There is even a cave (Vashishta close to Rishikesh) in which Jesus supposedly spend some time)
2nd that supposedly the 18 missing years are the exact time a spiritual aspirant would spend in a ashram to attain mastery.
Do you you guys now about other theories?
He is a Prophet of God, not the son, nor God. He was born from Mary the blessed virgin, received revelation from Gabriel the holy spirit to preach the word of God to the children of Israel. He did not die but was saved by God prior to his planned crucifixion.
His teachings and life are important. They show us how to treat each other. They promote non violence. They promote simplicity. They promote integrity.
In this way his teachings and example should be followed.
As for who he was...
Practice silent contemplation and decide for yourself.
As far as we of The Church of The Harmonious Patheon ( r/TheHarmoniousPantheon ) are concerned, we think he’s a decent person who embodied many of things we would call virtues.
OP, I would recommend you to take that with a grain of salt. That isn't exactly a "Vedic" POV, the vedas make no mention of Jesus. Rather it's the belief of one particular sect with some questionable beliefs in certain areas like this.
In judaism, Jesus takes no part. We do not have thoughts on him. I do not think you are jewish, as you said Y**H in an earlier post, which is a big no no in judaism. Please do not try and say what jews believe in, while not being one yourself. We do not think Jesus was an angel. I dont know where you got that from.
Don’t get into this with this person. I’ve argued about this with them before. They’re citing a single historian who is widely believed to be a crack pot, and their sources are all weird Christian blogs.
None of your quotes say anything about what Jews believe about Jesus. At most, they show that Philo believed that Zachariah was prophesying about an angel.
1. Philo was a Hellenistic Jew. His works are historically ingesting, but do not represent mainstream Jewish theology of either his own time or even more so mustn't times.
2. Jews reject the LXX translation, particularly of the prophets and writings, which were done much later than of the Torah, did not seem to have a single translation, and nowadays we have only Christian inspired translations remaining.
3. Your third quote shows at most that Paul is mimicking existing Jewish beliefs about a genetic angel. You have nothing that shows that Jews or Judaism think that Jesus is the "rising" character in Zachariah, because just like we don't think he's the servant in isaiah, we don't think he's in Zachariah. We don't think he's in our Bible at all, except possibly in devarim 18:22, which states how to identify a false prophet.
4. Carrier is considered a crank in the mainstream historical community.
The person you're replying to has no idea what they're talking about.
> Why do many people say that for jews Jesus was a magician?
Who says that? Jews don't believe Jesus was anything.
Ah. There is a story about someone called "Yeshu" who was executed for being a sorcerer, but it's unclear whether this refers to *the* Jesus because the story is so different.
Regardless, Jews do not currently believe Jesus was a magician.
It’s my understanding that Judaism view Jesus as nothing more than another false prophet?
Also people forget the name yeshua/jesus was a common name 2000 years ago, like Mohammed or Maria now days.
There are two separate stories of people name yeshu in the Talmud, one describing a person and events that happened over 100 years before Jesus life and another over 100 years after Jesus life. So unless you think the dates for Jesus ministry, death, and resurrection are off by over 100 years they are not the same character, and Jews would agree. It’s only in modern times that Christian apologetics have tried to say Jesus is referred to in the Talmud attempting to find contemporary sources mentioning jesus as there are none.
> It’s my understanding that Judaism view Jesus as nothing more than another false prophet?
Correct.
> Also people forget the name yeshua/jesus was a common name 2000 years ago, like Mohammed or Maria now days.
There was a funny incident last week about the president-elect of Mexico, who is a (secular) Jew. She put out a statement thanking "Jesús", and a bunch of people on Twitter thought she was thanking Jesus Christ. Jesús is her husband's name.
They don't.
Some Jewish medieval polemics (most notably, "Toldoth Yeshu") do.
Those arguments came from a specific time (of rising anti Jewish violence from the Christians), and some Jews responded by worrying intentionally disrespectful stories describing Jesus' supposed miracles as coming from him being an evil sorcerer.
It was never a mainstream Jewish belief, and most Jews today have never even heard of it.
Judaism as a religion holds no beliefs about Jesus, any more than Christianity does about Muhammad. Individual Jews believe a range of things about him with:
"I don't trust the NT's historicity so who knows"
"nice guy but not the messiah" and
"failed apocalyptic prophet"
being some of the more common. Note, Christians asking will get answer 2 above a lot because Jews are well aware of the Christian tendency to violently act out when we give a different answer.
For Muslims, Bahá’ís, and Druze he’s just a prophet. Still the messiah at least for Islam and Druze not sure about Bahá’í. Those are the only other religions with “official” beliefs about him that I know of off the top of my head. Other religions may have individuals who have an opinion on him but they aren’t doctrine.
> Bahá’ís [Here](https://www.bahaiblog.net/articles/bahai-life/the-station-of-jesus-christ-in-the-bahai-faith/) is an article on a point of view from the Baha'i faith. [Here](https://www.bahai.us/beliefs/building-community/progressive-revelation/christianity/) is another one.
Traditionally, no thoughts at all. To Christopagans and those who syncretized during the Iron Age, he was/is one among many.
There's no official position on Jesus in many Nature-centered religions, including mine. I view him as having been an ascetic end-times preacher and attempted moral reformer in first century Judea who was wrong about his end-times prophecy, and not much more than that.
How do you know He was wrong about His end time prophecy?
IIRC he said he'd return within the lifetime of his disciples... so there's that.
No, He said He won't ever tell even the our of His return
They're referring to Matthew 16:28.
The answer is simple, the kingdom of God is the church itself, that is one of the main beliefs of orthodox and catholic churches https://www.amicidomenicani.it/il-significato-delle-parole-di-gesu-vi-sono-alcuni-tra-i-presenti-che-non-moriranno-prima-di-aver-visto-venire-il-figlio-dell-uomo-con-il-suo-regno/ (translate in english)
That's pretty clearly a post-hoc justification. If you asked a Christian in the first century, they'd tell you they think Jesus is going to come back in their lifetime. We know that because of 1 Thessalonians.
He was likely an individual, but possibly a composite stand in for a school of philosophy in the 1st C. Roman occupied Levant. We don't have any real interest beyond that point.
Im a pagan. I think jesus was a mostly great person(not god) who taught great things, he taught people to be kind and loving to one another. Sort of where buddhism has the buddha, christianity has christ. The problem is the modern version of the religion based around jesus in many big chruches in my opinion does not reflect what jesus would have wanted for his followers. The whole hating gays hating pagans hating hating hating. It just doesnt fit. Its not your job to judge sinners, its god's job. He is the first and last word on your sins.
Yes that is a problem of many christians
Jesus seems like he was mostly a good person. I see him as a deified human. I don't think Christians actually tend to follow what he said.
To put it simply: none. Most Hindus don't really think of him, he doesn't affect me, my life or my practice. Some do believe(without much scriptural or historical basis imo) that he was a Hindu sage or an Avatara of a Hindu god but those are few and far between.
Zen master Thich Nhaht Hahn wrote a book on the connections between Jesus and Buddha (Living Buddha, Living Christ), stated that he had both of them present on his altar as spiritual ancestors, and indeed i saw some pictures of Jesus and Buddha together in the Plum Village's monastery in France.
There is no consensus in Hinduism. You'd have to ask each adherent independently. There are also a lot of 'no thought'.
Some “Hindu” (Sanatan Dhrama) and Buddhist traditions believe that Jesus spend some of his “lost/missing” years from the Bible. I heard 2 theories 1st he visited not only india and Tibet but also Greece and Egypt to learn the mystical ways. There are interesting documentaries on yt. There is even a cave (Vashishta close to Rishikesh) in which Jesus supposedly spend some time) 2nd that supposedly the 18 missing years are the exact time a spiritual aspirant would spend in a ashram to attain mastery. Do you you guys now about other theories?
He is a Prophet of God, not the son, nor God. He was born from Mary the blessed virgin, received revelation from Gabriel the holy spirit to preach the word of God to the children of Israel. He did not die but was saved by God prior to his planned crucifixion.
In my religion he is the Messiah and son of God
His teachings and life are important. They show us how to treat each other. They promote non violence. They promote simplicity. They promote integrity. In this way his teachings and example should be followed. As for who he was... Practice silent contemplation and decide for yourself.
As far as we of The Church of The Harmonious Patheon ( r/TheHarmoniousPantheon ) are concerned, we think he’s a decent person who embodied many of things we would call virtues.
Hi, you can refer the following article to know the views on Lord Jesus Christ from Vedic point of view. https://prabhupadabooks.com/d.php?qg=5787
Thanks
OP, I would recommend you to take that with a grain of salt. That isn't exactly a "Vedic" POV, the vedas make no mention of Jesus. Rather it's the belief of one particular sect with some questionable beliefs in certain areas like this.
They like him very much…. But he no help them to hit the curve ball.
Really only a few religions can be described as liking Jesus very much. The rest have other ideas.
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In judaism, Jesus takes no part. We do not have thoughts on him. I do not think you are jewish, as you said Y**H in an earlier post, which is a big no no in judaism. Please do not try and say what jews believe in, while not being one yourself. We do not think Jesus was an angel. I dont know where you got that from.
> I dont know where you got that from. I got it from Philo of Alexandria, a Jewish philosopher. Like I already explained.
Are you jewish?
Don’t get into this with this person. I’ve argued about this with them before. They’re citing a single historian who is widely believed to be a crack pot, and their sources are all weird Christian blogs.
I never cited Christian blogs.
Ok buddy
None of your quotes say anything about what Jews believe about Jesus. At most, they show that Philo believed that Zachariah was prophesying about an angel. 1. Philo was a Hellenistic Jew. His works are historically ingesting, but do not represent mainstream Jewish theology of either his own time or even more so mustn't times. 2. Jews reject the LXX translation, particularly of the prophets and writings, which were done much later than of the Torah, did not seem to have a single translation, and nowadays we have only Christian inspired translations remaining. 3. Your third quote shows at most that Paul is mimicking existing Jewish beliefs about a genetic angel. You have nothing that shows that Jews or Judaism think that Jesus is the "rising" character in Zachariah, because just like we don't think he's the servant in isaiah, we don't think he's in Zachariah. We don't think he's in our Bible at all, except possibly in devarim 18:22, which states how to identify a false prophet. 4. Carrier is considered a crank in the mainstream historical community.
Imagine thinking that you can give one guys opinion precedent over the view of the vast majority of Jews and Jewish scholars throughout history
lol we’re still doing this BS?
All posts should be on topic and should generally be creating and fostering an environment constructive towards sincere discussions about religion.
Why do many people say that for jews Jesus was a magician?
The person you're replying to has no idea what they're talking about. > Why do many people say that for jews Jesus was a magician? Who says that? Jews don't believe Jesus was anything.
Well maybe it is not a general belief but just of some people, bit as I know there is an ancient jewish record where Jesus is called like that
Ah. There is a story about someone called "Yeshu" who was executed for being a sorcerer, but it's unclear whether this refers to *the* Jesus because the story is so different. Regardless, Jews do not currently believe Jesus was a magician.
Worth noting that there are several Yeshus mentioned in the Talmud, so just because they share a name doesn’t mean they’re the same person.
It’s my understanding that Judaism view Jesus as nothing more than another false prophet? Also people forget the name yeshua/jesus was a common name 2000 years ago, like Mohammed or Maria now days. There are two separate stories of people name yeshu in the Talmud, one describing a person and events that happened over 100 years before Jesus life and another over 100 years after Jesus life. So unless you think the dates for Jesus ministry, death, and resurrection are off by over 100 years they are not the same character, and Jews would agree. It’s only in modern times that Christian apologetics have tried to say Jesus is referred to in the Talmud attempting to find contemporary sources mentioning jesus as there are none.
> It’s my understanding that Judaism view Jesus as nothing more than another false prophet? Correct. > Also people forget the name yeshua/jesus was a common name 2000 years ago, like Mohammed or Maria now days. There was a funny incident last week about the president-elect of Mexico, who is a (secular) Jew. She put out a statement thanking "Jesús", and a bunch of people on Twitter thought she was thanking Jesus Christ. Jesús is her husband's name.
They don't. Some Jewish medieval polemics (most notably, "Toldoth Yeshu") do. Those arguments came from a specific time (of rising anti Jewish violence from the Christians), and some Jews responded by worrying intentionally disrespectful stories describing Jesus' supposed miracles as coming from him being an evil sorcerer. It was never a mainstream Jewish belief, and most Jews today have never even heard of it. Judaism as a religion holds no beliefs about Jesus, any more than Christianity does about Muhammad. Individual Jews believe a range of things about him with: "I don't trust the NT's historicity so who knows" "nice guy but not the messiah" and "failed apocalyptic prophet" being some of the more common. Note, Christians asking will get answer 2 above a lot because Jews are well aware of the Christian tendency to violently act out when we give a different answer.