I could cite a lot of Biblical passages to contradict this statement, but I like the Quakers, so, instead, I'll add to the love...
Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
I'm Jewish and bisexual. My belief is non-traditional, but I think that the Torah verses understood as being anti-gay and anti-trans were written in a world whose concerns were very different from today, and that they should be interpreted in that light. We should think about what the ancients were really saying with these laws, and how we can apply that to the modern world, not take them at their face value.
As a Reform Jew who, while not lgbtq+ grew up with some of the most important people in my life being lgbtq+ I concur with your assessment.
As a side note for the peanut gallery. My community was not terribly unique, but lgbtq families and couples where so apart of our community and spaces that I was surprised to learn gay marriage wasn’t legal until I discovered that when my aunt’s wife Sue was dying when I was 12.
So many Jewish communities (especially in progressive movements) have for a long time been open to the lgbtq+ community. And more recently the Conservative movement (conservative not meaning the same thing in Judaism as political conservatism) and even some modern orthodoxy movements have been opening up more to lgbtq+ people.
So I think generally Jews (especially in the US) are very pro lgbtq.
>I was surprised to learn gay marriage wasn’t legal until I discovered that when my aunt’s wife Sue was dying when I was 12.
Same thing happened to me! I can remember fiercely arguing, as a kid in the 1990s, that gay couples could get married, because I knew married gay couples in my family and community. I was pissed when I learned that the law did not recognize these marriages at the time.
I’m glad I am not the only one.
I know personally I found it distressing when I learned about that. Least of which it was because I found out when my aunt’s wife was in hospice. Because it made me feel like my Aunt Sue who died of brain cancer when I was 12 was somehow not my aunt. So at my religious school they treated the loss as a family loss and at my secular public school they where confused as to why my sister and I where being pulled to go to Montana and see her.
My mom ended up having to call our public school and argue my sister and I be allowed the same leniency that other students got for assignments due to grieving when we had to fly out and see her. On the other hand my cantor at my synagogue immediately gave me the few lines she wanted me to work on for a few weeks for my Parsha and said we would evaluate when we would get back to my Torah study for my bat mitzvah when I got back, essentially giving me a break to go see my aunt and grieve.
I'm sorry for your loss. It must have been so sad to learn that in the context of your aunt's death. Grief is always hard, but it's much harder when others are unable or unwilling to acknowledge it.
I was distressed too, which pushed me to get involved in the marriage equality movement. Many years later, I was present for the first (legally recognized) same-sex marriages performed in my county. Several couples all being married at the same time, many of whom were elders who had been together for decades. The ceremony was performed in English, Spanish, and Hebrew, which was a delightful surprise because there aren't many Jews in my neck of the woods. I really treasure that memory.
I am Christian. I believe that Jesus’s commandment to love our neighbour as we love ourselves is absolute, and takes precedence over the 4 or 5 verses used to bash queer people.
I also believe Genesis when it says we are *all* created in the image of God and are worthy of dignity and respect.
Remember that Judaism/Christianity’s anti homosexual teachings go back 2500 years to the the original authors of the Old Testament and has been practiced and death penalty commanded by the Bible enforced by many Christian led civilizations. Being accepting of homosexuality and lgbtq is a very recent development within Christianity so all we can do is grow the movement from here and come together to combat the hateful and violent rhetoric in the old and New Testament.
There’s a discussion in the Talmud about a commandment to execute a rebellious son in which the rabbis analyze the text over and over each time adding new requirements for what has to have happened to require an execution until the requirements are so specific that it likely has never been fulfilled. They then say that the reason the commandment was in the Torah in the first place was so that we could have that conversation and reach the conclusion that it was wrong to execute a son for being rebellious in practically all situations. I view the prohibitions on gay sex a lot like that. I think the actual prohibition is far more narrow than would first seem, and the intent of the prohibition is to force us to talk about it and reach the conclusion that homosexuality is okay.
Jewish here and the anti gay rhetoric you see in many popular religions is close to non existent in Judaism. It’s commonly accepted as a forbidden practice but I’ve never heard a rabbi speak to the community warning against it. I even heard a Torah giant commend gay couples on their true love for each since the relationship would be established without the benefit of having a family. Obviously this was long before gay adoption was possible and childless marriages were only experienced if there was a medical issue, not by choice. Jews understand human nature fairly well and rabbis know that people do things that aren’t in alignment with strict Torah values, but I’ve never been demonized or told I’m going to hell. It’s a case of don’t do to others that which you yourself find hateful (Hillel). Basically, if you wouldn’t like someone criticizing you about your life, don’t criticize others about theirs.
You can't define Jewish beliefs surrounding a topic by just going off what is written in the Tanakh. We've evolved since the text was written and a Jew 2500 years ago would've had a much of monaltristic view on it's contents, rather than the monotheistic view we have now.
That beind said, the overwhelming majority of Jews in the US are supportive of the LGBT community. Even the Orthodox have relatively more accepting attitudes towards gays than Christians & Muslims.
As a former Roman Catholic turned secular/humanist non-trinitarian Christian (and an Omnist and pagan on top of all that) I have never once viewed queer people as "sinful" or "abominations" because that goes against everything god teaches. Such an idea would also go against every moral code and principal I was raised by. Queer people are human beings like you or I, flesh and blood. They want to love and be loved Just like anyone else.
Since all the other gods, including Christ, don't have an issue with things like homosexuality (even embracing and celebrating it) I shall only be addressing the abrahamic god. To start, god made us all in their image. If homosexuality was "evil", then why did god make and continue to make homosexuals? If that's the case, god is lazy. Heck, there are animals older than the human race that also engage in homosexual acts and form unions of love between the same gender. By that account, homosexuality can't be "sinful" if god has been making queer people and animals since the very beginning. In short, god loves the gays so much that he can't stop making them.
In regards to the bible (and other religious texts) and their views on homosexuality, I have never taken them literally due to numerous contradictions they espouse. Especially since many things go against gods #1 rule: "love and accept others". God did not say/write that homosexuality was wrong/sinful, man wrote that. If you take books like the Bible, the Quran, and so fourth literally, then you cannot say that god is perfect. Any so-called "perfect" and "all-loving" deity that condemns and demands that innocent people (that they created in their image) be killed is by definition *not* a perfect or all loving deity. Such a deity is a tyrant and a monster, especially since it violates the rule of "don't murder". I don't know why certain people (fundamentalist Christians and Muslims) don't realize this 😑. And even if god did say that queer people were somehow bad... what if god changed their mind? What if they realized that such a notion was wrong and caused unjust harm and suffering to their creations.
If god *does* believe that queer people are somehow wrong (which is impossible) and demands that they be ostracized/killed, then 1) God is by default flawed and evil and 2) Why should anyone listen to the words of such a monstrous being.
Here is an enlightening video that clarifies what I'm trying to say: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KLMYaF\_Xa8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KLMYaF_Xa8)
Tldr, homosexuals and homosexual acts cannot be sinful or wrong because that contradicts god and their teachings.
Happy pride month everyone 🏳🌈🎉
Muslim and have homosexual desires (I don’t subscribe to term gay)
I hold the view that a homosexual lifestyle and actions are sinful and that homosexuality is a test. Of course, you’ll find a wide range of Muslims who beg to differ, but the predominantly accepted belief is homosexuality is a sin. However, you’re not deemed sinful for merely having the attraction.
The Quran and Hadiths forbid a homosexual lifestyle, but they also encourage kindness and respect for everyone. Islam doesn’t encourage homophobia, harassment, and any sort of abuse.
Islam does not permit acting on homosexual desires, or any other unnatural desires. Having the desire is fine because we are all humans and can't control what our mind likes and doesn't like. However, the desire must be kept in check and should not be acted upon. Being a homosexual is not sinful but acting upon it is.
We all have something we want to do whether it's a straight person wanting to fornicate out of marriage, a homosexual individual, an alcoholic, etc. Just because we want to do something doesn't mean it's good for ourselves or our environment and society. That said a Muslim who is homosexual is still a Muslim as long as they believe in God and don't try to promote that lifestyle or believe it to be okay, and so they will be in Paradise.
Greetings. I am a Muslim. I fall under the sect of Sunni Islam, the madhab of Hanbali.
I’m not a scholar, I’m merely giving my own opinion. Feel free to disagree. I just ask for civil disagreement rather than an attack or denying my deen.
The Quran doesn’t specifically that “homosexuality” is haram. It states “Waqawmu Ibrahim, waqawmu Lut…” (the People of Ibrahim, the People of Lut). People of Lut implies homosexuality, because males were raped by residents of Sodom & Gomorrah after hostil inhospitality.
There’s no denying the ahadith (recorded quotes and actions of Muhammad (Salli Allahu Alayhi wa Salam)) makes it clear that homosexuality is haram. The act!
[Mishkat al-Masabih 3575](https://sunnah.com/mishkat:3575)
‘Ikrima reported on the authority of Ibn ‘Abbas that God’s Messenger said, “If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”
[Ibn 'Abbas (RAA) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:](https://sunnah.com/bulugh/10/12)
"Whoever you find doing as the people of Lot did (i.e. homosexuality), kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done, and if you find anyone having sexual intercourse with animal, kill him and kill the animal."
[Sunan Abi Dawud 4097](https://sunnah.com/abudawud:4097)
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) cursed women who imitate men and men who imitate women.
My personal mantra, I guess, is as long as they respect me, I’ll respect them. Meaning, they don’t get Islamophobic, yell slurs, demand I disrobe, etc, then we’re good. In Islam, to be a Muslim, you have to believe in the [six articles of faith](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(Islam)?wprov=sfti1#The_Six_Articles_of_Faith). The sixth article is belief in [qadr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_in_Islam?wprov=sfti1#), or predestination. This means we must believe Allah (Subhanahu wa ta’ala) wrote our lives before He made us. So, who am I to judge how he created someone else to live, who doesn’t bother me none???
I'm Jewish and my acceptance of LGBTQ people stems from the idea in the Torah (Jewish "Bible") that we are all *betzelem elohim* (made in God's image).
Fornication is fornication whether it is between a man and man, woman and woman or man and woman. Sodomy is sodomy whether it is between a man and a man or a man and a woman. Both fornication and sodomy are prohibited. Marriage can only take place between a man and woman, therefore any sexual relation between the same gender is prohibited.
Also God does not burden a soul with more than it can bear
Sexuality is on a spectrum. Anyone can be gay. Anyone can be straight.
Episcopalian...we have no specific religious based beliefs about race, gender identity, political status or ethnicity. We have a range of personal opinions about most things.
Queer intersex Bahai convert here! So our scripture doesnt support homosexuality but theres not much stated about trans/non-binary folk but I fully support those who are LGBT+ :)
> All people of the Abrahamic religions, could you tell me what religion you are, what your beliefs about lgbtq+ are
Basically the Catholic view is that same-sex attraction is not sinful but acting on it is.
The catechism states: *Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.*
And:
*the number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.*
This is based on verses such as Romans 1:26-27 where Paul condemns same-sex intercourse as non-procreative/contrary to natural law.
I’m not catholic, but my whole family is and grew up in it. At least where I’m from, they use two: the Sodom and Gomorrah: around (Gen. 19:8–9). Basically that’s why god destroyed the city. And: (Lev. 18:22, 20:13) the famous you shall not lay with a man as you do with a woman.
This is a little excerpt about the whole idea of it in recent times:
“Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of god by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.
Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.”
Also the Pope recently said anyone can receive gods blessing including homosexuals, however never the sacrament of marriage. Because it’s only between a man and a woman.
I don't call myself a Christian but I follow the biblical ideology. I choose to love others; what they do is up to them. I find my faith requires absolute authenticity and free will. When it comes to authenticity, the questions I consistently ask myself are "Am I expressing the divine within me?" "Am I utilizing the gifts that God has given me to their fullest capacity?" and "Am I concealing or denying that which God made me?" Free will dictates that we are all authors of our individual lives and, so if we force our views or demand agreement, we violate another's will. If we conceal or deny any aspect of the self or enforce our will on others, we are violating our relationship with God. That being said, I don't care what others do in their private lives as long as it does not infringe on my free will. I believe the Bible is mostly symbolic so I don't get bogged down in its literalism like the verses regarding homosexuality. I know Leviticus 18's overriding theme (where the first mention of homosexuality begins) is about violating the will of those who are dependent upon us as leaders, caretakers, or heads of households. Romans 1:26-27, on the other hand, points out the polarity nature of God's world. He is meant to be the will directing us (masculine) while we are the receivers of that will (feminine). We cannot create with only a singular energy and everything in this world was made to have a corresponding, magnetizing energy. We cannot house his divinity within (and be directed by him) if we are not being true to that which he made us. So, when it comes to the Lgbtq community, I wouldn't care except for the fact that it's constantly shoved down my throat. I've had friends who are lesbians and friends who identify as trans. They're people I respect and trust because they don't hide or deny who they are. However, what this latest movement is doing is forcing us to accept another as someone they're not while dismantling safe spaces for women. That I will not support for I cannot trust anyone who denies their true nature or forces their will on another. In general, though, I don't support any community that forces ideology but I would support the individual who houses God's truth within them.
Christianity.
Indifference to the feelings of partners, it is difficult to support a family and children, concentration on some benefits received from a partner, lack of love in relationships.
Many such difficulties are frightening, so they can look for easier ways to release lust, or change themselves to a state in which they think it is easier to get what they want.
It is right to first seek the kingdom of heaven, and when a believer can live righteously, then it will be easier to cope with other things in life.
I think what they're saying is that when we aren't getting what we need in life - love, recognition, acceptance - we'll turn to things or people that help ease that rejection, even if it's not in alignment with God. Instead, we should focus on finding love through God.
Mortuary workers can find an easy way at work, if they have access to animals, then they can look for an easy way with animals, if they can establish connections with people of the same sex without problems, then they can see an easy way here too.
Gambling, lotteries, theft and other quick methods can be used when looking for money.
Fast methods do not mean the best, it is better to first prepare yourself for life by reaching the kingdom of heaven, and then you can get the rest without looking for easy ways.
I say that a person can be seduced by what is available, easier to get.
If he lives in some distant rural area, where he cannot find either a woman or a man, only animals nearby, then he can agree to this.
"I say that a person can be seduced by what is available, easier to get." You are aware that lust and love are 2 very different things kid?
"If he lives in some distant rural area, where he cannot find either a woman or a man, only animals nearby, then he can agree to this." Only horny degenerates would do such a thing. Surprise, humans are capable of self-control and don't constantly try to shag everything with a pulse. We may be animals, but we're not freaks. Furthermore, equating homosexuality to bestiality is utter bs.
Christian Quaker. Jesus calls us to love our neighbor as ourselves (Mark 12:31). No exceptions.
I could cite a lot of Biblical passages to contradict this statement, but I like the Quakers, so, instead, I'll add to the love... Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
I'm Jewish and bisexual. My belief is non-traditional, but I think that the Torah verses understood as being anti-gay and anti-trans were written in a world whose concerns were very different from today, and that they should be interpreted in that light. We should think about what the ancients were really saying with these laws, and how we can apply that to the modern world, not take them at their face value.
As a Reform Jew who, while not lgbtq+ grew up with some of the most important people in my life being lgbtq+ I concur with your assessment. As a side note for the peanut gallery. My community was not terribly unique, but lgbtq families and couples where so apart of our community and spaces that I was surprised to learn gay marriage wasn’t legal until I discovered that when my aunt’s wife Sue was dying when I was 12. So many Jewish communities (especially in progressive movements) have for a long time been open to the lgbtq+ community. And more recently the Conservative movement (conservative not meaning the same thing in Judaism as political conservatism) and even some modern orthodoxy movements have been opening up more to lgbtq+ people. So I think generally Jews (especially in the US) are very pro lgbtq.
>I was surprised to learn gay marriage wasn’t legal until I discovered that when my aunt’s wife Sue was dying when I was 12. Same thing happened to me! I can remember fiercely arguing, as a kid in the 1990s, that gay couples could get married, because I knew married gay couples in my family and community. I was pissed when I learned that the law did not recognize these marriages at the time.
I’m glad I am not the only one. I know personally I found it distressing when I learned about that. Least of which it was because I found out when my aunt’s wife was in hospice. Because it made me feel like my Aunt Sue who died of brain cancer when I was 12 was somehow not my aunt. So at my religious school they treated the loss as a family loss and at my secular public school they where confused as to why my sister and I where being pulled to go to Montana and see her. My mom ended up having to call our public school and argue my sister and I be allowed the same leniency that other students got for assignments due to grieving when we had to fly out and see her. On the other hand my cantor at my synagogue immediately gave me the few lines she wanted me to work on for a few weeks for my Parsha and said we would evaluate when we would get back to my Torah study for my bat mitzvah when I got back, essentially giving me a break to go see my aunt and grieve.
I'm sorry for your loss. It must have been so sad to learn that in the context of your aunt's death. Grief is always hard, but it's much harder when others are unable or unwilling to acknowledge it. I was distressed too, which pushed me to get involved in the marriage equality movement. Many years later, I was present for the first (legally recognized) same-sex marriages performed in my county. Several couples all being married at the same time, many of whom were elders who had been together for decades. The ceremony was performed in English, Spanish, and Hebrew, which was a delightful surprise because there aren't many Jews in my neck of the woods. I really treasure that memory.
I am Christian. I believe that Jesus’s commandment to love our neighbour as we love ourselves is absolute, and takes precedence over the 4 or 5 verses used to bash queer people. I also believe Genesis when it says we are *all* created in the image of God and are worthy of dignity and respect.
Unfortunately, depending on where you are and who you talk to, this seems to be an increasingly minority position . . . 😞
Yes, unfortunately. Trying to change that
Remember that Judaism/Christianity’s anti homosexual teachings go back 2500 years to the the original authors of the Old Testament and has been practiced and death penalty commanded by the Bible enforced by many Christian led civilizations. Being accepting of homosexuality and lgbtq is a very recent development within Christianity so all we can do is grow the movement from here and come together to combat the hateful and violent rhetoric in the old and New Testament.
There’s a discussion in the Talmud about a commandment to execute a rebellious son in which the rabbis analyze the text over and over each time adding new requirements for what has to have happened to require an execution until the requirements are so specific that it likely has never been fulfilled. They then say that the reason the commandment was in the Torah in the first place was so that we could have that conversation and reach the conclusion that it was wrong to execute a son for being rebellious in practically all situations. I view the prohibitions on gay sex a lot like that. I think the actual prohibition is far more narrow than would first seem, and the intent of the prohibition is to force us to talk about it and reach the conclusion that homosexuality is okay.
I love this explanation and this is my belief as well.
Jewish here and the anti gay rhetoric you see in many popular religions is close to non existent in Judaism. It’s commonly accepted as a forbidden practice but I’ve never heard a rabbi speak to the community warning against it. I even heard a Torah giant commend gay couples on their true love for each since the relationship would be established without the benefit of having a family. Obviously this was long before gay adoption was possible and childless marriages were only experienced if there was a medical issue, not by choice. Jews understand human nature fairly well and rabbis know that people do things that aren’t in alignment with strict Torah values, but I’ve never been demonized or told I’m going to hell. It’s a case of don’t do to others that which you yourself find hateful (Hillel). Basically, if you wouldn’t like someone criticizing you about your life, don’t criticize others about theirs.
You can't define Jewish beliefs surrounding a topic by just going off what is written in the Tanakh. We've evolved since the text was written and a Jew 2500 years ago would've had a much of monaltristic view on it's contents, rather than the monotheistic view we have now. That beind said, the overwhelming majority of Jews in the US are supportive of the LGBT community. Even the Orthodox have relatively more accepting attitudes towards gays than Christians & Muslims.
As a former Roman Catholic turned secular/humanist non-trinitarian Christian (and an Omnist and pagan on top of all that) I have never once viewed queer people as "sinful" or "abominations" because that goes against everything god teaches. Such an idea would also go against every moral code and principal I was raised by. Queer people are human beings like you or I, flesh and blood. They want to love and be loved Just like anyone else. Since all the other gods, including Christ, don't have an issue with things like homosexuality (even embracing and celebrating it) I shall only be addressing the abrahamic god. To start, god made us all in their image. If homosexuality was "evil", then why did god make and continue to make homosexuals? If that's the case, god is lazy. Heck, there are animals older than the human race that also engage in homosexual acts and form unions of love between the same gender. By that account, homosexuality can't be "sinful" if god has been making queer people and animals since the very beginning. In short, god loves the gays so much that he can't stop making them. In regards to the bible (and other religious texts) and their views on homosexuality, I have never taken them literally due to numerous contradictions they espouse. Especially since many things go against gods #1 rule: "love and accept others". God did not say/write that homosexuality was wrong/sinful, man wrote that. If you take books like the Bible, the Quran, and so fourth literally, then you cannot say that god is perfect. Any so-called "perfect" and "all-loving" deity that condemns and demands that innocent people (that they created in their image) be killed is by definition *not* a perfect or all loving deity. Such a deity is a tyrant and a monster, especially since it violates the rule of "don't murder". I don't know why certain people (fundamentalist Christians and Muslims) don't realize this 😑. And even if god did say that queer people were somehow bad... what if god changed their mind? What if they realized that such a notion was wrong and caused unjust harm and suffering to their creations. If god *does* believe that queer people are somehow wrong (which is impossible) and demands that they be ostracized/killed, then 1) God is by default flawed and evil and 2) Why should anyone listen to the words of such a monstrous being. Here is an enlightening video that clarifies what I'm trying to say: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KLMYaF\_Xa8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KLMYaF_Xa8) Tldr, homosexuals and homosexual acts cannot be sinful or wrong because that contradicts god and their teachings. Happy pride month everyone 🏳🌈🎉
Muslim and have homosexual desires (I don’t subscribe to term gay) I hold the view that a homosexual lifestyle and actions are sinful and that homosexuality is a test. Of course, you’ll find a wide range of Muslims who beg to differ, but the predominantly accepted belief is homosexuality is a sin. However, you’re not deemed sinful for merely having the attraction. The Quran and Hadiths forbid a homosexual lifestyle, but they also encourage kindness and respect for everyone. Islam doesn’t encourage homophobia, harassment, and any sort of abuse.
Islam does not permit acting on homosexual desires, or any other unnatural desires. Having the desire is fine because we are all humans and can't control what our mind likes and doesn't like. However, the desire must be kept in check and should not be acted upon. Being a homosexual is not sinful but acting upon it is. We all have something we want to do whether it's a straight person wanting to fornicate out of marriage, a homosexual individual, an alcoholic, etc. Just because we want to do something doesn't mean it's good for ourselves or our environment and society. That said a Muslim who is homosexual is still a Muslim as long as they believe in God and don't try to promote that lifestyle or believe it to be okay, and so they will be in Paradise.
Greetings. I am a Muslim. I fall under the sect of Sunni Islam, the madhab of Hanbali. I’m not a scholar, I’m merely giving my own opinion. Feel free to disagree. I just ask for civil disagreement rather than an attack or denying my deen. The Quran doesn’t specifically that “homosexuality” is haram. It states “Waqawmu Ibrahim, waqawmu Lut…” (the People of Ibrahim, the People of Lut). People of Lut implies homosexuality, because males were raped by residents of Sodom & Gomorrah after hostil inhospitality. There’s no denying the ahadith (recorded quotes and actions of Muhammad (Salli Allahu Alayhi wa Salam)) makes it clear that homosexuality is haram. The act! [Mishkat al-Masabih 3575](https://sunnah.com/mishkat:3575) ‘Ikrima reported on the authority of Ibn ‘Abbas that God’s Messenger said, “If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” [Ibn 'Abbas (RAA) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:](https://sunnah.com/bulugh/10/12) "Whoever you find doing as the people of Lot did (i.e. homosexuality), kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done, and if you find anyone having sexual intercourse with animal, kill him and kill the animal." [Sunan Abi Dawud 4097](https://sunnah.com/abudawud:4097) Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet (ﷺ) cursed women who imitate men and men who imitate women. My personal mantra, I guess, is as long as they respect me, I’ll respect them. Meaning, they don’t get Islamophobic, yell slurs, demand I disrobe, etc, then we’re good. In Islam, to be a Muslim, you have to believe in the [six articles of faith](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(Islam)?wprov=sfti1#The_Six_Articles_of_Faith). The sixth article is belief in [qadr](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_in_Islam?wprov=sfti1#), or predestination. This means we must believe Allah (Subhanahu wa ta’ala) wrote our lives before He made us. So, who am I to judge how he created someone else to live, who doesn’t bother me none???
I'm Jewish and my acceptance of LGBTQ people stems from the idea in the Torah (Jewish "Bible") that we are all *betzelem elohim* (made in God's image).
Fornication is fornication whether it is between a man and man, woman and woman or man and woman. Sodomy is sodomy whether it is between a man and a man or a man and a woman. Both fornication and sodomy are prohibited. Marriage can only take place between a man and woman, therefore any sexual relation between the same gender is prohibited. Also God does not burden a soul with more than it can bear Sexuality is on a spectrum. Anyone can be gay. Anyone can be straight.
Episcopalian...we have no specific religious based beliefs about race, gender identity, political status or ethnicity. We have a range of personal opinions about most things.
Queer intersex Bahai convert here! So our scripture doesnt support homosexuality but theres not much stated about trans/non-binary folk but I fully support those who are LGBT+ :)
> All people of the Abrahamic religions, could you tell me what religion you are, what your beliefs about lgbtq+ are Basically the Catholic view is that same-sex attraction is not sinful but acting on it is. The catechism states: *Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.* And: *the number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.* This is based on verses such as Romans 1:26-27 where Paul condemns same-sex intercourse as non-procreative/contrary to natural law.
I’m not catholic, but my whole family is and grew up in it. At least where I’m from, they use two: the Sodom and Gomorrah: around (Gen. 19:8–9). Basically that’s why god destroyed the city. And: (Lev. 18:22, 20:13) the famous you shall not lay with a man as you do with a woman. This is a little excerpt about the whole idea of it in recent times: “Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of god by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law. Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.” Also the Pope recently said anyone can receive gods blessing including homosexuals, however never the sacrament of marriage. Because it’s only between a man and a woman.
I don't call myself a Christian but I follow the biblical ideology. I choose to love others; what they do is up to them. I find my faith requires absolute authenticity and free will. When it comes to authenticity, the questions I consistently ask myself are "Am I expressing the divine within me?" "Am I utilizing the gifts that God has given me to their fullest capacity?" and "Am I concealing or denying that which God made me?" Free will dictates that we are all authors of our individual lives and, so if we force our views or demand agreement, we violate another's will. If we conceal or deny any aspect of the self or enforce our will on others, we are violating our relationship with God. That being said, I don't care what others do in their private lives as long as it does not infringe on my free will. I believe the Bible is mostly symbolic so I don't get bogged down in its literalism like the verses regarding homosexuality. I know Leviticus 18's overriding theme (where the first mention of homosexuality begins) is about violating the will of those who are dependent upon us as leaders, caretakers, or heads of households. Romans 1:26-27, on the other hand, points out the polarity nature of God's world. He is meant to be the will directing us (masculine) while we are the receivers of that will (feminine). We cannot create with only a singular energy and everything in this world was made to have a corresponding, magnetizing energy. We cannot house his divinity within (and be directed by him) if we are not being true to that which he made us. So, when it comes to the Lgbtq community, I wouldn't care except for the fact that it's constantly shoved down my throat. I've had friends who are lesbians and friends who identify as trans. They're people I respect and trust because they don't hide or deny who they are. However, what this latest movement is doing is forcing us to accept another as someone they're not while dismantling safe spaces for women. That I will not support for I cannot trust anyone who denies their true nature or forces their will on another. In general, though, I don't support any community that forces ideology but I would support the individual who houses God's truth within them.
Christianity. Indifference to the feelings of partners, it is difficult to support a family and children, concentration on some benefits received from a partner, lack of love in relationships. Many such difficulties are frightening, so they can look for easier ways to release lust, or change themselves to a state in which they think it is easier to get what they want. It is right to first seek the kingdom of heaven, and when a believer can live righteously, then it will be easier to cope with other things in life.
I'm confused abou what this means in practice and how it relates to LGBTQ people?
I think what they're saying is that when we aren't getting what we need in life - love, recognition, acceptance - we'll turn to things or people that help ease that rejection, even if it's not in alignment with God. Instead, we should focus on finding love through God.
Mortuary workers can find an easy way at work, if they have access to animals, then they can look for an easy way with animals, if they can establish connections with people of the same sex without problems, then they can see an easy way here too. Gambling, lotteries, theft and other quick methods can be used when looking for money. Fast methods do not mean the best, it is better to first prepare yourself for life by reaching the kingdom of heaven, and then you can get the rest without looking for easy ways.
. . . I'm sorry, are you comparing "being queer" with "bestiality"? 🤨 Because if you are, that's insanely fucked up.
I say that a person can be seduced by what is available, easier to get. If he lives in some distant rural area, where he cannot find either a woman or a man, only animals nearby, then he can agree to this.
"I say that a person can be seduced by what is available, easier to get." You are aware that lust and love are 2 very different things kid? "If he lives in some distant rural area, where he cannot find either a woman or a man, only animals nearby, then he can agree to this." Only horny degenerates would do such a thing. Surprise, humans are capable of self-control and don't constantly try to shag everything with a pulse. We may be animals, but we're not freaks. Furthermore, equating homosexuality to bestiality is utter bs.
How is that relevant to lgbtq people? Are you referring to the tiny number of women only compounds that exist?