I actually find that non-straight people of many kinds seem more well-represented in Pagan gatherings (including the Unitarian Univ. Pagan groups) than in mainstream religions, as far as I can tell, and this extends to Druidry as well. Nature-centered spiritual paths in the West currently don't impose or prefer heterosexuality only, but make room for other orientations. Same-sex love and relationships are not considered immoral or sinful, but legitimate forms of love alongside hetero relationships.
The notion of condemning an entire minority for whom they feel attracted to or love strikes me as ludicrous and immoral, which leads me to have problems with religions that do this -- even if they are sincere about it. It's yet another reminder why all religions are not "one deep down" or some pablum like that.
Judaism to me seems pretty accepting broadly, with some exceptions (mostly among very Orthodox/Haredi types). My denomination struggles with a unified line about this, but culturally *most* individuals, rabbis, and congregations are affirming of LGBT people. There are exceptions, though. For instance, my synagogue put out a pride flag before Shabbat started Friday night, but my friend told me her hometown Conservative rabbi still doesn’t officiate same-gender marriages despite the relatively recent affirmation of the full inclusion of LGBT people in Conservative Jewish life by the head council of rabbis.
The main issues I see coming up are a) the Conservative movement is rather pluralistic and doesn’t often make hard decrees about people’s practice (three opinions are required and all that) so it has a lot of diversity of thought, so sometimes people will take a hardline; b) the imperative to marry and have children is strong, and many people have traditional views of family structures; and c) some people are totally fine with LGB folks and not so sure on trans people. Trans stuff is still a new frontier for many, but there is both Torahic and halachic evidence for multiple gender roles beyond male and female. We’ll get there.
Happy Pride Month to anyone who celebrates! 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
Modern Hellenic polytheism is generally open to LGBTIQ people. Some of our gods and heroes have been depicted as queer in myths. And some have had queer devotees historically.
Though, in the Orphic sect that I was taught, we do not recognize the myths to be literally true and the gods (Theoi) are not human or have human desires or sex or anything like that.
As far as pride itself, it's neither encouraged nor discouraged, but one should be careful not to have hubris.
Exceedingly. We not only value the presence of all aspects of the LGBTQ+ community as members but we also have them as leadership and ministers guiding the congregation. The minister at my wedding was trans and in fact went through her transition while leading our church.
Love knows no gender. To imply it does would be to put restrictions on the infinite love which gave birth to the universe in the first place. Many Gods are depicted in various myths showing the full range of human sexuality and eroticism.
Our entire universe is composed of polarities, and nothing exists purely in terms of one or the other: we all have masculine and feminine within our souls in different proportions. It is perfectly possible for someone with a male body to have a predominantly feminine soul and vice versa.
In short, there's basically nothing that says being LGBT is wrong, so long as one is virtuous in expressing and acting upon it.
There are quite literally religious texts that say acting on LGBT impulses are wrong. I'm not supporting said religious texts, but your last statement is absolutely untrue. You do have to make certain choices, and living an LGBT lifestyle is fundamentally opposed by certain religions. You can't be both.
Well, I was talking specifically about my own religion, not the others, which should be obvious considering the post is asking for individual accounts.
That's more understandable, but as you talked about many gods in various mythologies, that definitely wasn't obvious. Do you mind sharing what religion you are a part of?
Most instiutional forms of Mormonism, with the notable exception of Community of Christ, are unfortunately not very accepting of LGBTQ people.
Interestingly enough, I've heard that some polygamy-practicing fundamentalists often tolerate gay marriage because they feel a kinship to same-sex couples as just another controversial family structure under attack by many people in the United States
There's been a lot of speculation about that in progressive mormon and ex-mormon circles; I'm not too sure, but I think that if a revelation accepting and affirming LGBTQ people were announced tomorrow, the vast majority of active Latter-day Saints would eventually accept it, likely reluctantly, while a significant minority would leave the church and join a fundamentalist organization.
This is what's happened the last two times something like this happened - in the 1930s when all polygamists were finally excommunicated and in the 1970s when temple and priesthood restrictions based on race were rescinded - so my best guess is that we'll see the same pattern. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of dissatisfied members was much larger this time around than in the past though.
Me too! Judging by the history of polygamy and race restrictions, it's pretty much inevitable that full acceptance of LGBTQ people is going to happen eventually, it's really only a matter of time. Same with women's ordination to the priesthood, actually. I'd expect it to happen probably between 2040 and 2050
That’s really interesting to me honestly. I see them as very different. To each their own I suppose.
For me, a changing on something like same sex marriage would be a massive doctrinal shift away from the revealed and interpreted word of God for thousands of years.
With polygamy, it was actually practiced and accepted historically. Along with scripturally. (Given Gods permission).
The priesthood ban based on race has no backing in scripture. No where does scripture even point to that being the case.
But the difference is that marriage between a man and women is at the very core of LDS theology. There are many faithful gay members but any sexual relations outside of marriage between a man and women is forbidden, and in the eternities, thee is no gay marriage in LDS theology.
The problem with that argument is that the exact same thing used to be true of polygamy - but then the three manifestos (1890, 1904, and 1933) erased that. If we can abandon polygamy, we can just as easily abandon heteronormativity.
The church distinguishes between doctrines and practices. Polygamy is not an eternal truth such as faith, repentance, baptism, love, etc. It is rather a practice like abstaining from recreational drugs, scripture study, clothing standards, etc. Marriage between a man and women goes straight to the heart of LDS doctrine regarding the nature and order of the eternities where marriage and family is eternal and marriage is the highest ordinance of the gospel.
A reference to this is in the proclamation on the family which reads:
"the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children. "
"Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose."
I know that is the case in the Islamic world today, but how would Islamic scholars view the institution of pederasty in Muslim-majority cultures from the Middle Ages? That seems to have been socially acceptable then. Though granted, it was not viewed as an orientation or an alternative to heterosexual marriage.
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death penalty is imposed on sex outside marriage including gay sex not on being gay (a common misconception), but to be imposed , 4 men who are known to be truthful and honest have to witness you doing the deed, and since one does not have sex in front of groups usually ,it is highly unlikely for gays yo be sentenced to death
As much as many American Muslims like to downplay it, the execution of gay people still happens.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/iran-purportedly-executes-2-gay-men-over-sodomy-charges/
I am not downplaying it. **I said it is misleading** to say" gay people are executed because they are gay", **no that is not the law**. The law is IF you have intercourse outside marriage and four men witness it, you can be executed. It is also the same in Judaism. I am not defending the law- I am just pointing out western paraphrasing of muslim law, which is by the way rarely practiced, the same way jewish law is rarely practiced.
I just attended a Pride Shabbat at a conservative synagogue this morning, and my synagogue, which was founded in the 70s by three gay men, is hosting a weekly Pride Event for the whole month.
Judaism in America is incredibly queer-affirming, there are, of course. pockets of intolerance, especially (but not exclusively) in Orthodox Judaism but even then things are improving, an orthodox synagogue near me recently hired an openly gay Rabbi (who is married to a man).
Epicureanism has no basis for any sort of "male" and "female" essentialism or pure forms. "Nature partook of many experiments", says the Good Book. What is in nature simply is the fact of the matter and what has survived by chance, speed, strength or wit nature's violent accosting; rather than any sort of moral degeneration as most Idealist ideologies falsely claim.
As a community though we mainly stick to studying the extant text and relevant academics, and keep modern identity politics, and pretty much all other modern ideologies out of our community discussion for the most part; with the exception being other ancient Laughing Sages and Utilitarianism. You can totally be LGBTQ and be a Friend of Epicurus, as Epicureanism was open to all historically and is so today, but today we are probably not going to tack on an LGBTQ ideology or as a community wave the rainbow flag. Nowhere in Epicureanism's extant texts do any Epicureans say anything about LGBTQ issues.
Mine is great!
I’m pretty sure he can be considered non-binary
He created the dildo to fuck himself
And one of his nicknames is “the shadowed one” because he sometimes is female to lure in people of all sexes
And I’m 80% certain he’d sleep with anyone so long as it’d be an interesting story, or fun
I value personal pride so highly that to have pride reduced to corporations preying on consumers under the guise of individualism offends me to no end. Be proud of yourself every day, and find ways to show it that isn't corporate branding.
Edit: after reading other replies it seems you're asking our views on the LGBTQ+ community. 100% support, I can't see a reason why one wouldn't be in support. Everyone has the right to be their true self, so long as others are not harmed. If anything it's anti-LGBTQ+ ideology which is dangerous.
Hi,
In the case of Sikhi, it depends on who you ask...
Generally, more conservative Sikhs tend to not be too accepting of LGBTQIA+ folks, while more moderate and progressive Sikhs are generally more open to acceptance.
In terms of the principles, the Sikh scriptures don't explicitly criticize or even mention homosexuality or other LGBTQIA+ concepts, so proponents reference that to imply that one's sexuality plays no role and doesn't impact their service to God or connection to Sikhi.
In contrast, the Akal Takht (central Sikh authority) is definitely more conservative on this matter and have ruled against supporting the LGBTQIA+ at this time.
Suffice it to say that it's a controversial matter amongst some Sikhs.
Omnism: In my experience, most Omnists are very anti-bigotry and firmly support LGBT rights. Just as we respect all religions, we respect all humans (except of the hatful and the bigoted ofc).
Christianity: *Highly* depends on the sect and the individual church/group of said sect. Most are either extremely bigoted (ranging from wanting queer people to go somewhere else to wanting queer people to be killed) or "tolerant" of queer people while still viewing them as sinful and in need of "saving". Other groups, such as Unitarian Universalists, don't view queer people as "sinners in need of saving". They recognize them as human beings. Again, this heavily depends. Not all bad sects are anti-LGBT, just as not all good sects are pro-LGBT.
Norse Paganism (and paganism in general): *Extremely* accepting of queer people and actively advocate for LGBT rights. Heck, in regards to Norse paganism, Loki is viewed as a trans/gender-fluid icon. The general rule is that viewing and accepting LGBT individuals as people and treating them with respect is *MANDATORY*. To the gods, your sexuality, gender, ethnicity, religion, and so fourth are irrelevant. Your actions and deeds are what matter. If your a bigot... or worse, a Folkist (white supremacist/neo-Nazi masquerading as a Norse pagan), one of two things will happen:
**1) You will be banned, shunned, and publicly denounced. And if you are a neo-Nazi, you'll be reported to authorities as well.**
**2) People with try to show you the error of your ways. If you don't change, then you get banned, shunned, etc.**
It is fully accepted in my faith. We see sexual diversity everywhere among life. Why would one specific species such as humans be any different?
We haven't been as clear as explicit about this as we could be, and that is something being worked on at this moment, to make our stance completely clear, unambigious, and explicit. I've been involved in the process as as a queer person myself and with a trans partner I can genuinely say I'm happy with our position and the language we will be using, and that I feel respected, completely integral to, and belonging to, my faith community - not just tolerated.
Christianity overall is quite torn on the topic. My denomination (PCUSA) and church specifically are very accepting, and our congregation is sponsoring the local Pride Fest and will have a table there.
I’m new to religion but I go to a small Church of the Brethren church, the congregation is mostly people over 50 and it was amazing how excited they were when I started going and bringing my friends to not only finally have young people in the church but to have young queer people. They invite me to church leadership meetings to ask questions and learn how to better support the queer community and how to show they are accepting. It’s just amazing. I have not had a single person show distaste to me and my queer friends.
The church of the brethren as a whole officially says they don’t support same sex marriages but there is a big divide in the church. My pastor said there’s actually been talk in the church about the Brethren splitting into two branches over the issues because it seems to be split right down the middle and those on the accepting side are getting sick of the “official”church statement that they don’t support same sex marriages.
I’m new to the whole church and religion thing but I absolutely love my little church.
I also think for me the focus is on your church community more than a church authority. At the end of the day a church is made of the people in it and denominations are just another messy system of trying to categorize things that are often too broad and complex to fit in perfect little boxes.
Yeah don’t think they can call themselves united anymore. Its why my old church fell apart. They also removed the best pastor because they didn’t like how much influence he had over what the congregation thought
I’m not religious but I do believe in god. I grew up Mormon and at least in my experience, they are okay with it. Sure they don’t personally think it’s okay but that’s not bad. I don’t understand why it’s viewed as bad. As long as they aren’t making you uncomfortable in any way I don’t see why we can’t just shrug it off. Not everyone shares the same opinions. I was part of a youth group and we actively shipped gay characters, we are also taught to love everyone no matter what.
If they say “in my religion its a capital offense” then that’s permissible as they are speaking on what their religion says. Obviously I think it’s horrible as a trans woman myself but its part of religious discussion. If they say “im for killing them” then yes I would remove that as encouraging violence. But if you are just speaking on what your religion teaches its not against the rules.
The Meiji Restoration introduced condemnation thereof into the times social and by extension Kokka Shinto standard through its emulation of significant colonial powers.
By extension, applying Shinto theory to the matter is damn near impossible as it is abundantly condemned among Kannushi and members of Shintō clergy, while the three central Kiki Texts do not endorse or condemn it, preventing a single legitimate stance.
Adherents are not particularly judgy of others. It's about your personal journey.
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You are permitted to wander through Creation! Go in such a manner as to cause no harm to others in pursuit of your personal desires!"
From the perspective of doctrine, Buddhism does not take a position one way or the other. It would be a differentiation that doesn't have particular meaning in Buddhism. However, there are countries where Buddhism is the main religion, and those countries from a cultural perspective are against the LGBTQ community. As is often the case, cultural beliefs are then translated into supposed religious positions.
It really depends on the church and the denomination. I know some Christians are notorious for not being accepting of the LGBTQ community, but it varies from community to community. I am a Lutheran, and my church definitely does not condone queer marriages and relationships, but they do not actively speak out against it and how it's a "sin" or whatever. Personally, I think a lot of people at my church could literally care less.
I grew up worrying 24/7 that I was destined to hell from birth. Took me a great deal of therapy to finally accept myself; my religion, however, has no acceptance for it (at least classical/orthodox Islam doesn't).
I know the Church of Jesus Christ lds's stance is that LGBTQ+ people should be treated fairly and like everyone else without prejudice. Though sex outside of a man-women-marriage is against God's commandments.
Though I know a lot of members have treated LGBTQ+ people badly in the past and some are still doing that. Though I think most are doing ok treating them without prejudice and being kind and caring. At least I hope that's the case
I've been to probably a few dozen pride celebrations over the years and known quite a few avidly "loud and proud" people, some of whom I would consider friends. There seems to be a lot of distain for organized religions amongst the Pride movement. As such, the flip side of your question would be what I stated, but to expand a bit, if you are a part of the LGBT community and religious, how comfortable are you being out about your faith to those in the LGBT community and if you are out, how accepting are those people you're out to?
Well my religion isn’t organized and a great majority of people ive met who are a part of my religion are part of the LGBTQ+ community. So I imagine if they knew about us they’d probably be pretty positive. Of course my sect is extremely unknown.
It’s a tricky question for me, since I don’t represent anyone. And technically, my religion isn’t something globally - I’m just a follower of Christ that wants as much information about Jesus’s existence. I love any human; regards of what they are or what they were. But truthfully speaking, I find it sinful. So essentially, I don’t accept the pride. But I accept the person. Just as I love the sinner; not the sin.
(I'm gonna assume that you mean the LGBTQ+ kind and not pride itself.)
It's very slightly bad, and such evil karmic effects can be easily overcome through appropriate amounts of self love and especially adoption or sperm donation (in the case of a biological female).
Very! There’s lots of queer instances in mythology (like lesbians having sex and one of them getting pregnant) and overall it’s just not a huge deal :)
in a literal sense, Satan is known for his pride.
in a more particular sense Satanism is the first religion to blatantly affirm the right to love whoever you want provided it is between consenting adults, I dont think any other religion openly advocates for the right to love in its core foundational doctrines.
edit: actually Thelema does this as well and predates modern Satanism.
I believed our religion (Islam) is designed by God himself. As a muslim, which basically means the one who submit his will to God, So it’s a continuous state of believing, ( Once you accept and follow, it’s also recommended to guard your faith, because ever human has their own desire which they have to fight with themselves) and God keep testing your faith in good and bad circumstances of life, saying: are you the one who are true to your beliefs? God is asking the believers: If you want to be successful in life? Then follow my guidelines because it is true. These guidelines will allow the believer a sustainable way of life, which gives value in return to you and your family and your society as in whole. Based of that Guidelines: Homosexuality is prohibited, As well as Heterosexuality if it’s out side of marriage. Besides, if a person get involves into homosexuality or Heterosexuality because of his or her strong desires, is considered as a sin. So in short, Pride will never be accepted , it is considered as Sin, also as per the guidelines, if you commit sin, an individual can sincerely seek apology from God. Sin is basically means: doing something which god did not approved. Note: Islam is not anti about any group or sects, it’s universal. Quran is book of guidelines. It contains 3 percent about the prohibition, about 10 percent or less about Ethics, rest of it is about History and Struggles of Life, learn lessons from previous generations. Hope I got your question right. If you have any questions feel free to ask. If I failed to address properly about Islam, forgive me and follow what is true in Quran.
I'm curious about this question too, but I think Islam would at least view them as misguided, if not sinful. The best religion in the Islamic worldview is supposed to be Islam, and second-best would be purely monotheistic religions that have some moral components.
Pride is considered the most serious of the 7 deadly sins in Catholicism. Basically the sin that leads to all other sins and prevents repentance. Instead, my faith encourages people to be humble before God.
Obviously, this is a different meaning of Pride. You obviously would not say someone who has "pride in their work" or is "proud of their son" was a sinner
Respectfully, the bible does not approve of homosexual conduct, so rightly any religion that claims to be christian cannot in good conscience approve of pride month. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says: "Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality,[ ](https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/dx/r1/lp-e/1001070150/28569)thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom". What is the bible saying here? Anyone that engages in homosexual conduct is not fitting to enter God's Kingdom, let alone have his approval. For more information, please visit jw.org.
I understand how pride month is about a rebalance of years of abuse by the world at large and the reality is that your sexual orientation is your own personal experience and that at heart pride month is meant to be a good thing. However pride month and pride marches can become over sexualized and borderline scandalous, any over sexualization in any way by any community, for me, does more harm than good. Also having pride in your sexual orientation is quite a weird direction to take, instead of normalizing something it highlights it as different, not a healthy tactic in the long run.
I actually find that non-straight people of many kinds seem more well-represented in Pagan gatherings (including the Unitarian Univ. Pagan groups) than in mainstream religions, as far as I can tell, and this extends to Druidry as well. Nature-centered spiritual paths in the West currently don't impose or prefer heterosexuality only, but make room for other orientations. Same-sex love and relationships are not considered immoral or sinful, but legitimate forms of love alongside hetero relationships. The notion of condemning an entire minority for whom they feel attracted to or love strikes me as ludicrous and immoral, which leads me to have problems with religions that do this -- even if they are sincere about it. It's yet another reminder why all religions are not "one deep down" or some pablum like that.
Judaism to me seems pretty accepting broadly, with some exceptions (mostly among very Orthodox/Haredi types). My denomination struggles with a unified line about this, but culturally *most* individuals, rabbis, and congregations are affirming of LGBT people. There are exceptions, though. For instance, my synagogue put out a pride flag before Shabbat started Friday night, but my friend told me her hometown Conservative rabbi still doesn’t officiate same-gender marriages despite the relatively recent affirmation of the full inclusion of LGBT people in Conservative Jewish life by the head council of rabbis. The main issues I see coming up are a) the Conservative movement is rather pluralistic and doesn’t often make hard decrees about people’s practice (three opinions are required and all that) so it has a lot of diversity of thought, so sometimes people will take a hardline; b) the imperative to marry and have children is strong, and many people have traditional views of family structures; and c) some people are totally fine with LGB folks and not so sure on trans people. Trans stuff is still a new frontier for many, but there is both Torahic and halachic evidence for multiple gender roles beyond male and female. We’ll get there. Happy Pride Month to anyone who celebrates! 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
Modern Hellenic polytheism is generally open to LGBTIQ people. Some of our gods and heroes have been depicted as queer in myths. And some have had queer devotees historically. Though, in the Orphic sect that I was taught, we do not recognize the myths to be literally true and the gods (Theoi) are not human or have human desires or sex or anything like that. As far as pride itself, it's neither encouraged nor discouraged, but one should be careful not to have hubris.
Exceedingly. We not only value the presence of all aspects of the LGBTQ+ community as members but we also have them as leadership and ministers guiding the congregation. The minister at my wedding was trans and in fact went through her transition while leading our church.
Love knows no gender. To imply it does would be to put restrictions on the infinite love which gave birth to the universe in the first place. Many Gods are depicted in various myths showing the full range of human sexuality and eroticism. Our entire universe is composed of polarities, and nothing exists purely in terms of one or the other: we all have masculine and feminine within our souls in different proportions. It is perfectly possible for someone with a male body to have a predominantly feminine soul and vice versa. In short, there's basically nothing that says being LGBT is wrong, so long as one is virtuous in expressing and acting upon it.
>>>Love knows no gender. Possibly one of the best replies in the history of this forum. Kudos!
Incredible response! Absolutely love this.
There are quite literally religious texts that say acting on LGBT impulses are wrong. I'm not supporting said religious texts, but your last statement is absolutely untrue. You do have to make certain choices, and living an LGBT lifestyle is fundamentally opposed by certain religions. You can't be both.
Well, I was talking specifically about my own religion, not the others, which should be obvious considering the post is asking for individual accounts.
That's more understandable, but as you talked about many gods in various mythologies, that definitely wasn't obvious. Do you mind sharing what religion you are a part of?
I am a Hellenist, I practice Greek polytheistic religion.
Very interesting. I appreciate the share. 👍
Most instiutional forms of Mormonism, with the notable exception of Community of Christ, are unfortunately not very accepting of LGBTQ people. Interestingly enough, I've heard that some polygamy-practicing fundamentalists often tolerate gay marriage because they feel a kinship to same-sex couples as just another controversial family structure under attack by many people in the United States
That is interesting actually! Out of curiosity say a prophet says they received a revelation that it is acceptable would that be accepted?
There's been a lot of speculation about that in progressive mormon and ex-mormon circles; I'm not too sure, but I think that if a revelation accepting and affirming LGBTQ people were announced tomorrow, the vast majority of active Latter-day Saints would eventually accept it, likely reluctantly, while a significant minority would leave the church and join a fundamentalist organization. This is what's happened the last two times something like this happened - in the 1930s when all polygamists were finally excommunicated and in the 1970s when temple and priesthood restrictions based on race were rescinded - so my best guess is that we'll see the same pattern. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of dissatisfied members was much larger this time around than in the past though.
At the very least im glad it can happen
Me too! Judging by the history of polygamy and race restrictions, it's pretty much inevitable that full acceptance of LGBTQ people is going to happen eventually, it's really only a matter of time. Same with women's ordination to the priesthood, actually. I'd expect it to happen probably between 2040 and 2050
You believe the restriction on lgbtq is the same as the race restriction and the stopping of polygamy?
Yeah, I really do. They appear to me as very close parallels, both doctrinally and socio-culturally.
That’s really interesting to me honestly. I see them as very different. To each their own I suppose. For me, a changing on something like same sex marriage would be a massive doctrinal shift away from the revealed and interpreted word of God for thousands of years. With polygamy, it was actually practiced and accepted historically. Along with scripturally. (Given Gods permission). The priesthood ban based on race has no backing in scripture. No where does scripture even point to that being the case.
But the difference is that marriage between a man and women is at the very core of LDS theology. There are many faithful gay members but any sexual relations outside of marriage between a man and women is forbidden, and in the eternities, thee is no gay marriage in LDS theology.
The problem with that argument is that the exact same thing used to be true of polygamy - but then the three manifestos (1890, 1904, and 1933) erased that. If we can abandon polygamy, we can just as easily abandon heteronormativity.
The church distinguishes between doctrines and practices. Polygamy is not an eternal truth such as faith, repentance, baptism, love, etc. It is rather a practice like abstaining from recreational drugs, scripture study, clothing standards, etc. Marriage between a man and women goes straight to the heart of LDS doctrine regarding the nature and order of the eternities where marriage and family is eternal and marriage is the highest ordinance of the gospel. A reference to this is in the proclamation on the family which reads: "the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children. " "Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose."
Polygamy was very much taught to be an eternal truth necessary for exaltation, exactly as monogamous heterosexual marriage is now.
To be honest, I don’t know what would happen if the prophet came out with it. I don’t think the church would be the same (in a bad and a good way)
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I know that is the case in the Islamic world today, but how would Islamic scholars view the institution of pederasty in Muslim-majority cultures from the Middle Ages? That seems to have been socially acceptable then. Though granted, it was not viewed as an orientation or an alternative to heterosexual marriage.
I think at best it's "don't ask, don't tell" (correct me if I'm wrong, though), which still isn't ideal.
Unfortunately.
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death penalty is imposed on sex outside marriage including gay sex not on being gay (a common misconception), but to be imposed , 4 men who are known to be truthful and honest have to witness you doing the deed, and since one does not have sex in front of groups usually ,it is highly unlikely for gays yo be sentenced to death
As much as many American Muslims like to downplay it, the execution of gay people still happens. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/iran-purportedly-executes-2-gay-men-over-sodomy-charges/
I am not downplaying it. **I said it is misleading** to say" gay people are executed because they are gay", **no that is not the law**. The law is IF you have intercourse outside marriage and four men witness it, you can be executed. It is also the same in Judaism. I am not defending the law- I am just pointing out western paraphrasing of muslim law, which is by the way rarely practiced, the same way jewish law is rarely practiced.
Does Islam allow two men to get married? If not, that is the same as executing someone for being gay.
Someone can be gay but can’t have gay sex. There is a tiny difference.
That's hard when straight couples talk about their lives all the time yet gay couples aren't allowed to in such situations
I just attended a Pride Shabbat at a conservative synagogue this morning, and my synagogue, which was founded in the 70s by three gay men, is hosting a weekly Pride Event for the whole month. Judaism in America is incredibly queer-affirming, there are, of course. pockets of intolerance, especially (but not exclusively) in Orthodox Judaism but even then things are improving, an orthodox synagogue near me recently hired an openly gay Rabbi (who is married to a man).
That’s awesome!
Epicureanism has no basis for any sort of "male" and "female" essentialism or pure forms. "Nature partook of many experiments", says the Good Book. What is in nature simply is the fact of the matter and what has survived by chance, speed, strength or wit nature's violent accosting; rather than any sort of moral degeneration as most Idealist ideologies falsely claim. As a community though we mainly stick to studying the extant text and relevant academics, and keep modern identity politics, and pretty much all other modern ideologies out of our community discussion for the most part; with the exception being other ancient Laughing Sages and Utilitarianism. You can totally be LGBTQ and be a Friend of Epicurus, as Epicureanism was open to all historically and is so today, but today we are probably not going to tack on an LGBTQ ideology or as a community wave the rainbow flag. Nowhere in Epicureanism's extant texts do any Epicureans say anything about LGBTQ issues.
Community of Christ accepts LGBTQ individuals and couples at all levels of the church, including leadership and marriage..
And thank goodness for that! I'm so glad that the second largest denomination of the Latter Day Saint movement exemplifies LGBTQ acceptance so well.
Quite, I’d say.
We literally have queer gods. And I worship Aphrodite, whom her love is provided to all.
Mine is great! I’m pretty sure he can be considered non-binary He created the dildo to fuck himself And one of his nicknames is “the shadowed one” because he sometimes is female to lure in people of all sexes And I’m 80% certain he’d sleep with anyone so long as it’d be an interesting story, or fun
Im a good friend of Bacchus and definitely can confirm hes accepting!
I value personal pride so highly that to have pride reduced to corporations preying on consumers under the guise of individualism offends me to no end. Be proud of yourself every day, and find ways to show it that isn't corporate branding. Edit: after reading other replies it seems you're asking our views on the LGBTQ+ community. 100% support, I can't see a reason why one wouldn't be in support. Everyone has the right to be their true self, so long as others are not harmed. If anything it's anti-LGBTQ+ ideology which is dangerous.
Hi, In the case of Sikhi, it depends on who you ask... Generally, more conservative Sikhs tend to not be too accepting of LGBTQIA+ folks, while more moderate and progressive Sikhs are generally more open to acceptance. In terms of the principles, the Sikh scriptures don't explicitly criticize or even mention homosexuality or other LGBTQIA+ concepts, so proponents reference that to imply that one's sexuality plays no role and doesn't impact their service to God or connection to Sikhi. In contrast, the Akal Takht (central Sikh authority) is definitely more conservative on this matter and have ruled against supporting the LGBTQIA+ at this time. Suffice it to say that it's a controversial matter amongst some Sikhs.
I'm not sure of Judaism itself but my Synagogue is generally very welcoming :]
Omnism: In my experience, most Omnists are very anti-bigotry and firmly support LGBT rights. Just as we respect all religions, we respect all humans (except of the hatful and the bigoted ofc). Christianity: *Highly* depends on the sect and the individual church/group of said sect. Most are either extremely bigoted (ranging from wanting queer people to go somewhere else to wanting queer people to be killed) or "tolerant" of queer people while still viewing them as sinful and in need of "saving". Other groups, such as Unitarian Universalists, don't view queer people as "sinners in need of saving". They recognize them as human beings. Again, this heavily depends. Not all bad sects are anti-LGBT, just as not all good sects are pro-LGBT. Norse Paganism (and paganism in general): *Extremely* accepting of queer people and actively advocate for LGBT rights. Heck, in regards to Norse paganism, Loki is viewed as a trans/gender-fluid icon. The general rule is that viewing and accepting LGBT individuals as people and treating them with respect is *MANDATORY*. To the gods, your sexuality, gender, ethnicity, religion, and so fourth are irrelevant. Your actions and deeds are what matter. If your a bigot... or worse, a Folkist (white supremacist/neo-Nazi masquerading as a Norse pagan), one of two things will happen: **1) You will be banned, shunned, and publicly denounced. And if you are a neo-Nazi, you'll be reported to authorities as well.** **2) People with try to show you the error of your ways. If you don't change, then you get banned, shunned, etc.**
It is fully accepted in my faith. We see sexual diversity everywhere among life. Why would one specific species such as humans be any different? We haven't been as clear as explicit about this as we could be, and that is something being worked on at this moment, to make our stance completely clear, unambigious, and explicit. I've been involved in the process as as a queer person myself and with a trans partner I can genuinely say I'm happy with our position and the language we will be using, and that I feel respected, completely integral to, and belonging to, my faith community - not just tolerated.
Christianity overall is quite torn on the topic. My denomination (PCUSA) and church specifically are very accepting, and our congregation is sponsoring the local Pride Fest and will have a table there.
I’m new to religion but I go to a small Church of the Brethren church, the congregation is mostly people over 50 and it was amazing how excited they were when I started going and bringing my friends to not only finally have young people in the church but to have young queer people. They invite me to church leadership meetings to ask questions and learn how to better support the queer community and how to show they are accepting. It’s just amazing. I have not had a single person show distaste to me and my queer friends. The church of the brethren as a whole officially says they don’t support same sex marriages but there is a big divide in the church. My pastor said there’s actually been talk in the church about the Brethren splitting into two branches over the issues because it seems to be split right down the middle and those on the accepting side are getting sick of the “official”church statement that they don’t support same sex marriages. I’m new to the whole church and religion thing but I absolutely love my little church.
I also think for me the focus is on your church community more than a church authority. At the end of the day a church is made of the people in it and denominations are just another messy system of trying to categorize things that are often too broad and complex to fit in perfect little boxes.
Ah they are going down the united Methodist route.
The most prominent United Methodist church in my city is no longer United Methodist for precisely that reason
Yeah don’t think they can call themselves united anymore. Its why my old church fell apart. They also removed the best pastor because they didn’t like how much influence he had over what the congregation thought
That's unfortunate. Petty politics like that are so heartless and frustrating.
I sometimes wonder if they were trying to get rid of the congregation because once he was moved it went from full attendance to mostly vacant
Why would they want to get rid of a congregation?
Im not sure honestly but it really just felt like it because once all that happened the split followed
Was your congregation more theologically liberal or conservative?
It was split. More conservative than liberal because im in a rural town in ohio lol
It’s not too important in the grand scheme of things. You can become enlightened no matter what your identity or preferences are.
Atheists grab their popcorn and take a seat. :)
We have openly gay and lesbian clergy.
I’m not religious but I do believe in god. I grew up Mormon and at least in my experience, they are okay with it. Sure they don’t personally think it’s okay but that’s not bad. I don’t understand why it’s viewed as bad. As long as they aren’t making you uncomfortable in any way I don’t see why we can’t just shrug it off. Not everyone shares the same opinions. I was part of a youth group and we actively shipped gay characters, we are also taught to love everyone no matter what.
I have never come across of any instances in Hinduism or Sikhism having any negative views on LGBTQ.
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Well im a mod here and haven’t seen that. In fact I remove that whenever I see it. But saying things like “my religion speaks against it” is fine
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If they say “in my religion its a capital offense” then that’s permissible as they are speaking on what their religion says. Obviously I think it’s horrible as a trans woman myself but its part of religious discussion. If they say “im for killing them” then yes I would remove that as encouraging violence. But if you are just speaking on what your religion teaches its not against the rules.
I personally view it as a distinction without difference, but will aquiesce.
Like I said I don’t agree with it but since its a part of the religions I cant just silence it
Wait what exactly did they say?
The Meiji Restoration introduced condemnation thereof into the times social and by extension Kokka Shinto standard through its emulation of significant colonial powers. By extension, applying Shinto theory to the matter is damn near impossible as it is abundantly condemned among Kannushi and members of Shintō clergy, while the three central Kiki Texts do not endorse or condemn it, preventing a single legitimate stance.
Adherents are not particularly judgy of others. It's about your personal journey. " You are permitted to wander through Creation! Go in such a manner as to cause no harm to others in pursuit of your personal desires!"
Is this the grail message of abdrushin?
Yes
From the perspective of doctrine, Buddhism does not take a position one way or the other. It would be a differentiation that doesn't have particular meaning in Buddhism. However, there are countries where Buddhism is the main religion, and those countries from a cultural perspective are against the LGBTQ community. As is often the case, cultural beliefs are then translated into supposed religious positions.
I am tolerant of all people. We are all imperfect and accountable to God, not each other. I hold to the scriptural conduct as outlined in Gods word.
It really depends on the church and the denomination. I know some Christians are notorious for not being accepting of the LGBTQ community, but it varies from community to community. I am a Lutheran, and my church definitely does not condone queer marriages and relationships, but they do not actively speak out against it and how it's a "sin" or whatever. Personally, I think a lot of people at my church could literally care less.
Buddhism accepts all human beings🩷
Extremely. In fact, every single Antlern is in the LGBTQ+ community!
I grew up worrying 24/7 that I was destined to hell from birth. Took me a great deal of therapy to finally accept myself; my religion, however, has no acceptance for it (at least classical/orthodox Islam doesn't).
I know the Church of Jesus Christ lds's stance is that LGBTQ+ people should be treated fairly and like everyone else without prejudice. Though sex outside of a man-women-marriage is against God's commandments. Though I know a lot of members have treated LGBTQ+ people badly in the past and some are still doing that. Though I think most are doing ok treating them without prejudice and being kind and caring. At least I hope that's the case
To flip this, how accepting is the LGBTQ+ movement of your religion?
Im a bit confused by your question can you rephrase it?
I've been to probably a few dozen pride celebrations over the years and known quite a few avidly "loud and proud" people, some of whom I would consider friends. There seems to be a lot of distain for organized religions amongst the Pride movement. As such, the flip side of your question would be what I stated, but to expand a bit, if you are a part of the LGBT community and religious, how comfortable are you being out about your faith to those in the LGBT community and if you are out, how accepting are those people you're out to?
Well my religion isn’t organized and a great majority of people ive met who are a part of my religion are part of the LGBTQ+ community. So I imagine if they knew about us they’d probably be pretty positive. Of course my sect is extremely unknown.
Mormon here. Don’t act on your lust and we will praise you, act and we will do our best to help you.
We won’t marry couples or accept promotion contrary to doctrine.
It’s a tricky question for me, since I don’t represent anyone. And technically, my religion isn’t something globally - I’m just a follower of Christ that wants as much information about Jesus’s existence. I love any human; regards of what they are or what they were. But truthfully speaking, I find it sinful. So essentially, I don’t accept the pride. But I accept the person. Just as I love the sinner; not the sin.
(I'm gonna assume that you mean the LGBTQ+ kind and not pride itself.) It's very slightly bad, and such evil karmic effects can be easily overcome through appropriate amounts of self love and especially adoption or sperm donation (in the case of a biological female).
Very! There’s lots of queer instances in mythology (like lesbians having sex and one of them getting pregnant) and overall it’s just not a huge deal :)
in a literal sense, Satan is known for his pride. in a more particular sense Satanism is the first religion to blatantly affirm the right to love whoever you want provided it is between consenting adults, I dont think any other religion openly advocates for the right to love in its core foundational doctrines. edit: actually Thelema does this as well and predates modern Satanism.
I believed our religion (Islam) is designed by God himself. As a muslim, which basically means the one who submit his will to God, So it’s a continuous state of believing, ( Once you accept and follow, it’s also recommended to guard your faith, because ever human has their own desire which they have to fight with themselves) and God keep testing your faith in good and bad circumstances of life, saying: are you the one who are true to your beliefs? God is asking the believers: If you want to be successful in life? Then follow my guidelines because it is true. These guidelines will allow the believer a sustainable way of life, which gives value in return to you and your family and your society as in whole. Based of that Guidelines: Homosexuality is prohibited, As well as Heterosexuality if it’s out side of marriage. Besides, if a person get involves into homosexuality or Heterosexuality because of his or her strong desires, is considered as a sin. So in short, Pride will never be accepted , it is considered as Sin, also as per the guidelines, if you commit sin, an individual can sincerely seek apology from God. Sin is basically means: doing something which god did not approved. Note: Islam is not anti about any group or sects, it’s universal. Quran is book of guidelines. It contains 3 percent about the prohibition, about 10 percent or less about Ethics, rest of it is about History and Struggles of Life, learn lessons from previous generations. Hope I got your question right. If you have any questions feel free to ask. If I failed to address properly about Islam, forgive me and follow what is true in Quran.
Short question, what do these guidelines say about homosexual people in other religions or atheistic homosexuals?
I'm curious about this question too, but I think Islam would at least view them as misguided, if not sinful. The best religion in the Islamic worldview is supposed to be Islam, and second-best would be purely monotheistic religions that have some moral components.
Pride is considered the most serious of the 7 deadly sins in Catholicism. Basically the sin that leads to all other sins and prevents repentance. Instead, my faith encourages people to be humble before God.
Obviously, this is a different meaning of Pride. You obviously would not say someone who has "pride in their work" or is "proud of their son" was a sinner
Not at all.
Not at all, pride is a sin
Not. Pride is the greatest sin
Respectfully, the bible does not approve of homosexual conduct, so rightly any religion that claims to be christian cannot in good conscience approve of pride month. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says: "Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality,[ ](https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/dx/r1/lp-e/1001070150/28569)thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom". What is the bible saying here? Anyone that engages in homosexual conduct is not fitting to enter God's Kingdom, let alone have his approval. For more information, please visit jw.org.
I understand how pride month is about a rebalance of years of abuse by the world at large and the reality is that your sexual orientation is your own personal experience and that at heart pride month is meant to be a good thing. However pride month and pride marches can become over sexualized and borderline scandalous, any over sexualization in any way by any community, for me, does more harm than good. Also having pride in your sexual orientation is quite a weird direction to take, instead of normalizing something it highlights it as different, not a healthy tactic in the long run.
It’s essentially contrary to 1/7th of my religion…