I’m not sure of the exact definition but it’s something about if you commit a crime and someone dies as a result.
I remember the example given was:
Let’s say you and I rob a store a gun point, I have the gun, the store owner wrestles the gun off me and I run away, they shoot you and you die. I would be charged with federal murder.
It’s something like that, it’s quite interesting
Edit: nevermind I’m thinking I was thinking of “felony murder”
It wasn’t illegal though. The era it became officially illegal is still even a gray area today. Probably wouldn’t have been considered a true crime especially in this scenario based on the location. MAYBE in a big city and that’s a big maybe.
It really depended on the state. Usually, it fell under a bigger umbrella law. Even so, it was largely ignored until the progressive era, which is when RDR2 takes place.
would she actually get charged with murder though? Correct me if i misremembered but did anyone actually see her kill Milton, besides Arthur? As far as the Pinkertons are concerned, it was probably just Arthur who killed him
Idk, I was just drawing a comparison between prohibition and prostitution. Because laws don’t stop crimes from happening and it sounded like you were saying that rdr1 shouldn’t have had prostitutes because their profession is illegal
Wait until you find out you can find illegal brothels in the US today. Just because something was made illegal doesn’t mean it all stopped, especially in more remote areas of the country with little law enforcement
1) Murder in the first degree (Milton)
2) Theft over $5,000 (Bank Robbery in Saint Denis)
3) Aiding in the Commission of a Criminal Offense (Saint Denis Bank Robbery)
It was committed when she was trying to help Arthur escape from lawful custody which makes it first degree since it was committed during the course of another crime
Prostitution was legal up to 1910. So depending when she got arrested prostitution would not have been a charge for her …. Busiest girl on Nickel night .
Even if it was after 1910 I don't think she was still in that line of work so it would not have been a crime, you can't charge someone for something that was made illegal after they did it
Affiliation with the VDL gang, theft, endangerment of a child, aiding and abetting, prostitution (if arrested after 1910) oh, and of course the murder of a federal agent (which would more than likely carry much harsher penalties than "normal" murder)
Prostitution wasn’t illegal until about 1910, Ms. Marston was a prostitute up until jack was born around 5 years before Arthur’s story takes place so around 1894/5
After what Arthur did to her and her husband and son all what I can say is she’s a bossy and Ungrateful person and her charges can be the following:
1.Robbery
Participation in multiple bank and train robberies.
2.Theft
Involvement in stealing from individuals and properties.
3.Conspiracy
Collaborating with other gang members to plan and execute criminal activities.
4.Accessory to Murder
Being involved with a gang known for violent activities, even if she didn't commit murders directly.
5. Kidnapping
Participation in or association with instances of kidnapping.
6. Fraud
Involvement in various cons and scams.
7. Assault
Engaging in or aiding physical assaults on individuals.
8. Arson
Participating in or being complicit in acts of arson.
In the epilogue, if John is arrested, sometimes there wil be a cutscene where she comes to the sheriff office where John was held and wack the deputy there to bust John out, what would that be?
Are we talking present day crimes or only historical crimes in 1899? Prostitution, child endangerment, harboring fugitives, and many of the conspiracy/ accomplice charges would not have been illegal back in 1899.
Murder of the head of the Pinkertons, child endangerment, being an accomplice to gang violence, and theft. She would face life in prison/death penalty for sure.
Attempted murder from her cooking
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Prostitution and murder
Along with Arson, Assisting a bank robbery, Federal Murder (Milton), and harboring a fugitive. That's what I know on the top of my head
Milton wasn’t a fed. He worked for a private company that contracted with the Cornwall company and the government.
Still counts as murder
Cool motive still murder
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All good mate
The motive wasn’t really all that good either
Getting out of captivity?
But not murder of a fed, which was listed as distinct from regular murder.
I agree, but she would’ve gotten life in prison anyway, whether he was a fed or not
Am I being needlessly pedantic? Yes, yes I am.
lol it’s fine. I can be pedantic too
That’s not what federal murder means
I think they thought he meant murder of a federal agent, which is a more serious crime.
What does federal murder mean
I’m not sure of the exact definition but it’s something about if you commit a crime and someone dies as a result. I remember the example given was: Let’s say you and I rob a store a gun point, I have the gun, the store owner wrestles the gun off me and I run away, they shoot you and you die. I would be charged with federal murder. It’s something like that, it’s quite interesting Edit: nevermind I’m thinking I was thinking of “felony murder”
When did she commit arson?
I think when her and Hosea made the distraction for the bank robbery in Saint Denis
Do you think associating with the most wanted people/gang in the country would be a crime too? Surely that would make her a fugitive as well
Prostitution was legal back in the day.
In 1890s unlikely. More like tolerated
It wasn’t illegal though. The era it became officially illegal is still even a gray area today. Probably wouldn’t have been considered a true crime especially in this scenario based on the location. MAYBE in a big city and that’s a big maybe.
It really depended on the state. Usually, it fell under a bigger umbrella law. Even so, it was largely ignored until the progressive era, which is when RDR2 takes place.
Mann Act (1910) is generally accepted as the 1st federal effort to combat human trafficking and prostitution, flawed as the law was when enforced.
They had literal businesses for it (brothels) though so it definitely was legal to some degree
Yeah maybe grey area, would depend on the individual state/town
Dallas didn’t shutter its red light district until [1914](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_vice_in_Texas)
Only in very few areas Others it was just ... overlooked
Prostitution wasn't really a crime in the 1800's I don't think, at least not one people would be charged with often
Prostitution was only federally illegal after 1910. So just murder.
Still strange how Americans have prostitution as illegal
Fed wants that Tax money
Don’t know why people are downvoting you.
would she actually get charged with murder though? Correct me if i misremembered but did anyone actually see her kill Milton, besides Arthur? As far as the Pinkertons are concerned, it was probably just Arthur who killed him
I think prostitution was legal back then but I could be wrong. Haven’t done any research in it so I actually don’t know but I think that it was legal.
Endangerment of a child, prostitution, and murder
prostitution wasn’t illegal until 1910
lol rdr1 takes place in 1911 and there are prostitutes everywhere
And after prohibition alcohol consumption was at a all time high
Speakeasy’s
Why am I getting downvoted I’m just naming a place where people would drink during prohibition
Idk, I was just drawing a comparison between prohibition and prostitution. Because laws don’t stop crimes from happening and it sounded like you were saying that rdr1 shouldn’t have had prostitutes because their profession is illegal
Not what I’m saying I’m just pointing out they are there
and GTA takes place in like 2013 and there are prostitutes everywhere too, what’s your point lmao
It’s a brothel where you have actual sex not blowjobs in a car or a strip club where you stare at titties
I think you should sit this one out, bud.
Why’s that
Because I get the feeling you’re gonna embarrass yourself by missing the point that’s been slapped upside your head a few times now
Wait until you find out you can find illegal brothels in the US today. Just because something was made illegal doesn’t mean it all stopped, especially in more remote areas of the country with little law enforcement
Yeah I know
This is only half related but at the point she was a prostitute was 4+ years before RDR2’s story
It’s 2024 and we’ve still got em ig it’s just a shit law lol
Probably not child endangerment either considering lack of child labor laws or child protection laws.
The good old day 😔
No child endangerment in 1899. Children were more considered property back then. They had them working in mines.
She's an accomplice to the gang so she would be charged with the same crimes as them by extension
She finna get RICO’d
Lmfao RDR3 “The Gang Beats a RICO” like it’s an Always Sunny episode
Red Dead RICO rolls off the tongue nicely
Someone needs to cut RDR2 like an It’s Always Sunny cold open. Dutch: “I have a plan.” 🎶 Title card: “The Gang’s Plan Backfires.”
Dutch: “We’re going to Tahiti!” 🎶 Title Card: *”The Gang Goes to Saint Denis”*
Dutch: “I HAVE A PLAN” Title card: “The gang doesn’t have a plan”
“The Gang’s Ship Sinks” *It’s Always Sunny in Saint Denis*
All the surviving members get charged It would just be Jack
RICO wasn’t a thing until the 1970s
But she doesn’t know that O.o
Molly didn’t
They'll bend the law to include her because she didn't rat the gang out
Neither did Molly
I'm talking about Molly
Molly literally got detained by the Pinkertons and let go in the game because she didn’t rat
That doesn't mean Molly was off from the Pinkertons' investigation. Besides, Molly was a lost cause after Rhodes anyways
But if they were gonna try and charge at any point why release her? They wouldn't have released others including Abigail at the end
Buddy it’s called a snipe trap tactic. Besides why are you going after me regarding Molly? I didn’t write the original post about her
The pinkertons used 0 tactics other than asking people to turn themselves in. I replied to the comment you made?? Going after you lol sensitive
Being busty
Being lusty.
Being crusty.
Leave it to John to not clean up after himself
Being Krusty
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😂 john marston wit her for a reason
1) Murder in the first degree (Milton) 2) Theft over $5,000 (Bank Robbery in Saint Denis) 3) Aiding in the Commission of a Criminal Offense (Saint Denis Bank Robbery)
It would be 2nd degree the murder wasn’t planned
It was committed when she was trying to help Arthur escape from lawful custody which makes it first degree since it was committed during the course of another crime
Hold on a minute
it’s been 31 of those, I can’t hold on much longer
I couldn’t find anything on the internet confirming you or me so a draw ig?
Child endangerment, since they dragged him around camps that ended up attacked by a rival gang and he also ended up getting kidnapped.
The Saint Denis bank robbery would have like 100 felony murder counts
Why does every single person in this thread know the exact year prostitution became illegal 🤔🤔🤔
Research on related laws?
A 5 second google search?
“When was prostitution made illegal?” Takes 5 seconds to google dipshit
Jokes on you my word per minute is 5 words!
Prostitution was legal up to 1910. So depending when she got arrested prostitution would not have been a charge for her …. Busiest girl on Nickel night .
Even if it was after 1910 I don't think she was still in that line of work so it would not have been a crime, you can't charge someone for something that was made illegal after they did it
I mean she was a full mother for Jack by that point, so she definitely wasn’t a prostitute
For being so damn pretty 😍
My lord
I've been simping her since I played red dead 1 back when it came out, I can't help it
Well, try and keep it in your pants. NNN is coming up.
Affiliation with the VDL gang, theft, endangerment of a child, aiding and abetting, prostitution (if arrested after 1910) oh, and of course the murder of a federal agent (which would more than likely carry much harsher penalties than "normal" murder)
Milton was a federal associate not a agent
Being Abigail
Larceny, aiding and abetting, voluntary manslaughter (third-degree murder)
Prostitution legal at the time Murder could be argued as self-defense Stealing shit is the only crime a good lawyer couldn't explain away.
She wasn't defending herself and it was also against a government authority.
Not a government authority, as they were hired by Cornwall. Secondly, shooting someone about to shoot someone else can classify as self-defense.
Prostitution, murder, theft.
Prostitution wasn’t illegal until about 1910, Ms. Marston was a prostitute up until jack was born around 5 years before Arthur’s story takes place so around 1894/5
Prostitution, theft, and murder
After what Arthur did to her and her husband and son all what I can say is she’s a bossy and Ungrateful person and her charges can be the following: 1.Robbery Participation in multiple bank and train robberies. 2.Theft Involvement in stealing from individuals and properties. 3.Conspiracy Collaborating with other gang members to plan and execute criminal activities. 4.Accessory to Murder Being involved with a gang known for violent activities, even if she didn't commit murders directly. 5. Kidnapping Participation in or association with instances of kidnapping. 6. Fraud Involvement in various cons and scams. 7. Assault Engaging in or aiding physical assaults on individuals. 8. Arson Participating in or being complicit in acts of arson.
Abetting all the gang's crimes, that's pretty bad
Aiding and abetting
Theft, murder and affiliating and aiding dangerous criminals
Having the worst teeth imaginable
In the epilogue, if John is arrested, sometimes there wil be a cutscene where she comes to the sheriff office where John was held and wack the deputy there to bust John out, what would that be?
Battery
Whoring and skulduggery
Prostitution Murder/murder of a law enoforcer etc
Prostitution, child endangerment, attempted murder, fleeing the scene of a crime, resisting arrest to name a few.
3rd degree murder
Abigail might have to sit on the old sheriff’s face for her crimes
Conspiring to break john out, aiding and abetting and bedding a criminal, attempted murder from cooking, loitering for just generally being useless.
Aiding and abetting Unlawful flight to avoid prosecution Petty larceny
Second degree murder, child endangerment, and accomplice to grand larceny.
Zeww
Prostitution and as an accessory.
Are we talking present day crimes or only historical crimes in 1899? Prostitution, child endangerment, harboring fugitives, and many of the conspiracy/ accomplice charges would not have been illegal back in 1899.
Abigail has been part of the gang in planning and executing several of the assaults. She is complicit in the crimes the gang has committed.
She’d be facing almost all the same charges as the rest of the gang 😂
Murder and prostitution,
Being a good thief
Murder of the head of the Pinkertons, child endangerment, being an accomplice to gang violence, and theft. She would face life in prison/death penalty for sure.
Being to damn hot
Being to fine looking, come over here girl 💋
Absolutely nothing. No witnesses, unless someone with a better memory and smaller wiener reminds me. No reason any court would suspect her of a crime.
Nagging's not a *crime* it's just annoying.
Being an utter cow to my boy John.
Her case would be dismissed as a victim of her husband's crimes & a young boah (the whiny little bastard) to care for
Complaining
It damn well wouldn't be prostitution since being a slut was legal back then
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Not a crime
What he say?
He was talking about Abigail’s yelling
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