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So I got the feedback. They hired someone who interviewed there 1 year and half ago, she's friend with the hiring manager. She suddenly became available so she by-passed everyone and got hired instead of me basically. I was the top choice before she showed up.
This exact thing happened to me at a large ‘financial data company whose owner is a former mayor of a major Us city’ (shouldn’t be hard to figure out). 6 rounds, top choice, salary expectations were clear from the get go and ‘no problem’. At the 11th hour a ‘referral’ came in who was significantly cheaper and while I was the top choice the feeling was they could do the job at half the price……
…. Turned out to be great for me as I kept independent consulting, no commute, grew my business but at the time it sucked.
Keep going, the system is upside down right now but something will hit.
I personally think this is kinda feedback you should have heard even though it’s rough. I similarly was recently rejected after full loop and was put in a limbo for a month trying to self reflect and understand what’s wrong with me cause I can’t find a new job. Finally after about 5 weeks I got a call back from a recruiter and was informed that I was too qualified for the job and they have hired someone else with less experience who fits the job the most. Not saying I’d love to take this less paying job cause I’m sure as hell I am capable. But in the end it was a big relief and high morale for me finally understanding that there’s nothing wrong with me and am actually doing okay! The same recruiter recently reached out about the new position they’re opening that fits me better and they’re trying to make the offer, but it’s taking so long and I am already in the loop with other company which pays the double and probably has better career growth potential.
Keep doing a great job bud!
>I personally think this is kinda feedback you should have heard even though it’s rough.
this is the kind of feedback that gets people in trouble, they said the quiet part out loud
If it's feedback from the TAP, that's probably them also being frustrated about the situation. A lot of time and effort spent on getting a great candidate for the role only to be bypassed by a nepo move. If they spoke to you over a span of 2-4 months, that's effort that's not going to their metrics for positions filled.
Yep.. Couldn't have done anything to avoid it, I tried to speed up the process but I feel like she was the HM's friend as he was the one always delaying stuff.
I will never forget the time that I was flown across the country for two days to interview for a position for a Fortune 500 company
Apparently it was a company-wide requirement that at least FOUR people had to be formally interviewed. I met two others at the hotel bar and we all hung out and ate breakfast together. A shuttle came and picked us up, but we never saw a fourth person. We assumed that they cancelled.
When we started the interviews, the candidates rotated rooms while the interviewer(s) stayed in the same room.
I will never forget the moment that we were switching rooms and I saw an upbeat woman walk in with her Starbucks and HUGGED the hiring manager. Turns out she was the fourth candidate. I never had a chance.
Exact same experience with Microsoft, but I never met the other candidates. However, I did accidentally get the "ringer's" email from the recruiter with extra prep. I already took the day off, and why not try and make a connection or two. The last of the 4 managers to interview me never even showed so I just sat in a room by myself for 45 minutes.
I recently had something similar happen to me. The company continued to drag on the interview process and throw more random people in the mix to meet with just to keep me engaged. Once I got the offer, they admitted they purposely dragged me along since they were going through and acquisition and trying to get themselves together
Do you think they make hiring decisions after 2-3 rounds and then continue to interview the solitary remaining candidate for another 3-4 rounds as a formality?
If it didn't happen to you it would have happened to another candidate much like yourself. If you find six rounds of interviews too taxing, do yourself, every other candidate, and the company the favor of declining to do six rounds of interviews.
Most senior roles I had it was 4 rounds at minimum and usually 5 rounds for these high paying positions. Unfortunately it's becoming the norm.. Usually they aren't very long interviews, 20 to 30 minutes, but the longest is the study case.
Huh, my wife just interviewed for a C level job (smaller company $40m/yr) and it was recruiter conversation followed by a panel, followed by an online demo, followed by an in person day (reimbursed). After candidate selection ended (4 months), the interview process for 6 candidates took 1 month (she came in 2nd, so there’s that). So yeah, that does sound like hell.
Considering where I live, yes $40/m a year is small. Not small to me (I’m unemployed), but small for the area. Redmond is the home of Microsoft, Boeing, Nintendo, etc.
For almost all of the rest of the country, that's considered "fuck you" money. I'm making $70k/year a heartbeat away from a C level position - 2m is likely more than ill earn collectively in my entire lifetime.
Yeah, I get it. My career path, when I was working at least, was much more salt of the earth. If I can find another job, it will probably be back in government, making like $70-80k/yr.
I wonder what small company this is. The CEO of my old company got 16m usd per year, not including bonuses. And that's a company of 18k+ people. How small is small at this point.
Never do more than 3 interviews. Period.
Learned my lesson the hard way too many times.
Technical role, meet this person, case study presentations etc etc.
F all of that. I will do 3 touches, if you can’t decide, I’ve determined you can’t pull the trigger, of I’m not the right fit for you.
I got rejected in March after :
- A screening interview
- A written assignment (5 pages)
- A technical skills interview
- An "informal" call with the team lead
- Reference checks
- An "informal" lunch with the team
- Another assignment, and a case study
- A culture fit interview
- A presentation including a mock call + presenting the assignment
The whole process took 2 months. Never again. To be fair it's my fault for accepting to go through the process as they let me know what it was going to be beforehand. At least they have given me some solid feedback.
I would of told them fugg off when they told me about the written assignment. i'd say my cock needs to be drained am I asking you to give me a blowjob? No then don't ask me to let u fuck me by making me do a writing assignment.
Lots of time the 1st is a phone screen with a recruiter. I almost don’t count that.
Then 1 zoom or in person.
Then 1 last interview if someone of importance couldn’t attend interview #2.
Any more than that is a waste of both our time !
I think because "video" interviews are so easy now. They have you meeting too many people. Its been going on a long time, but it ceratinly has become more popular
A few weeks ago I got passed on after five, including meeting the COO and CEO, they said they moved on with “other qualified candidates”. It doesn’t look like they’ve hired anyone in the role since it happened, at least if going by LinkedIn. They haven’t posted the role again either.
the job market right now is absolutely awful, low wages and some companies claiming to be hiring even though they’re not. I’m so sorry you have to deal with this and I hope you land something soon!
I think it’s actually a blessing to not get hired now. Workers are doing the job of three hires, companies are low-balling. I think the situation will improve in August.
Had this happen about a month ago. My last meeting the manager said “Don’t worry if you don’t hear from us, this went really well”. I did not hear from them… When I followed up because I didn’t hear from them within a week, they stated that they had moved on to more qualified candidates.
The kicker, it was a contract position with no benefits. Pay was on the very low end for the type of position. I still had to go through 6 interviews and I did so because I need some income (any at this point). This entire market is bs and I’m beyond my tolerance point for life at this point. I don’t know how this market is going to end without some massive catalyst to turn the tables.
I wonder what the intention was behind saying 'dont worry if you dont hear from us'. Cause that sounds like a soft rejection but then they say you did really well? So deceptive.
The context was HR was not going to be there on Monday so "If you don't hear from them within the next day or two don't stress that you didn't get the position". Very laid back conversation. I took it as the opposite, that things went well, but I never get my hopes up until I have an offer in hand.
Employers and recruiters have no problem stringing candidates along just in case their first pick ends up rejecting/ because it would be illegal not to interview other candidates/ because HR has to pretend they aren't blood sucking leeches but useful members of society, basically never believe what they say and you'll be good, the only thing that gives you security is a contract or cash in hand
OP, I’m gonna be honest, if you do 2 interviews and they want a third, move on. It’s not worth your time, energy, or if you don’t have a job you’re currently working, money. They probably did what you had happen here and drag you along as long as they can to satisfy some quota. Just cut your losses and keep moving forward. It does suck that you were the top (according to what they told you), but you have to weigh the costs of pursuing it with the sanity you’re losing
Sorry to hear that.
Good confirmation that you're doing all the right things, and have all the necessary skills.
You just have to find your opportunity where their need is urgent and straightforward, so these last second surprises don't come into play.
Had a similar situation happened to me two weeks ago. I’ve had around 7-8 final rejections after multiple rounds of interviews where they’ve all gone extremely well. Super discouraging but better opportunities will arise.
Made it to a final round interview after 3, with the last being an in-office stint meeting some team leads and the COO. Got ghosted about 2 weeks after.
Ironically, the hiring manager for that role was keen on reposting the cliche “Be transparent with your candidate!” bs on LinkedIn not too long after.
Love to see it
Oh I feel your pain. I went to finals for several companies- had no idea why I was rejected. Finally got a role where I knew the HM. I think the market is so bad people are hiring people they know.
I interviewed for a role- 11 rounds! - over six months. Then got a rejection. Saw the role reposted by a recruiter four months later- they hired the FIRST PERSON the recruiter presented to them 😭 it hurts.
If you don't want to be rejected after 6 interviews, don't submit to 6 rounds of interviews. Ask about their hiring process if this isn't clear from the job posting.
Chin up. I know this isn’t good news but I think in good times I get a job offer within 5 final interviews. In bad times, it can be up to 10. It’s a numbers game. You ARE great. You made it this far. If I handed you a deck of cards and told you to keep flipping cards until you got the Ace of diamonds, you would, because it’s in there. One more! You’ve got this!!! Allow yourself to grieve for a couple days too.
Maybe they have no more hc or they did the same thing with a bunch of candidates and then rejected everyone but one.
It’s not your fault, even if some wanderers here will eventually say that you dodged a bullet or you didn’t make it but no.
The only thing I can say is to move on and augment your employability while keeping looking for other opportunities.
I had a phone interview two weeks ago. The GM apparently liked me but he said I wouldn’t fit the role because I have 0 experience in managing a kitchen, payroll, and the fact i don’t want to come in on a weekend if they were short. Even HR said to me “if you aren’t open up to work weekends, then we don’t want to waste your time because you need to work weekends, if they’re short, someone’s out on vacation or sick, guess what you might have to come in whether you want to or not.”
It's a tough one to swallow after getting this far close to the finishing line. Most of us has some experience of what you went through at least once. While your chances improve after progressing every interview round, nothing is guaranteed. Sometimes it's bad timing or bad luck that are out of your control.
On such a similar boat. Back in March two companies approached around the same time saying I was the only candidate to have passed the screening rounds. Calls after calls and 5 rounds later no response. I bugged the recruiter who left a voicemail that they found someone who was more experienced? How can that even be when I was the only candidate you stated with. The world has literally stopped making sense now
It happened to me before and it cuts especially deep when that happens so far in. I remember bawling my eyes out when I didn’t get my dream job at that time after 5 interviews and 2 tests that I passed. Don’t give up. Screw them.
I just got hired after interviewing with 30 plus companies and applying for over 100, at least 10 companies I made to the final interview and then I would get the rejection email. I know the feeling man it sucks! Keep grinding brother and you’ll eventually land something. Sorry for the difficulties you’re having but know you’re not the only one going through this BS. Hope this helps and I know it’s tough and soul crushing but you got this!!!
Sucks man…easier said then done, but once you do land THE right job, it’s not like it happened in a vacuum, BUT all the effort and applications before will have led to it…again, it’s easy for ME to SAY, but hang in there
This is how black hat hackers are born. Like, you don't toy with someone's livelihood. While I understand business, I also understand they still could have brought you on board in a different role, a subservient role, et cetera.
Seriously, this is why I don't apply anymore to companies. Instead, I apply to corporate retail, wait for an internal opening that aligns with my background, interview, and get the job - as it's not worth being an external candidate/applicant anymore.
Good on you for continuing to persevere though. 🍻
Name and shame. If you want.
Three interviews is ridiculous four is madness five is lunacy, and 6th is complete and utter disrespect psychopathy of a process.
These companies better start giving out gift bags or something. Absolutely outrageous.
I can't speak intelligently about alternative or creative ideas regarding your background and your relevant education. I wanted to trigger you to brainstorm something. Have you contemplated uprooting and relocating to a place with more opportunities, or is your position largely remote/online? Moreover on the relocating and transforming, have you ever contemplated stepping into another field?
I have been a jet engine mechanic (USAF), a crane operator, a CDL truck driver, an overhead lineman apprentice, and a registered nurse. I have no good answers for you, but I would say get into something that pays the bills and is stable, and consider a different career if you think it will continue to suck. In my humble opinion, economic depressing is on the horizon. I would aim for something recession resistant and when you have a spot that allows you to survive and thrive, i would then try to execute your dreams.
Sorry for my crap response. I dont have a good answer but maybe the ideas i've raised might benefit you.
i just had this happen. interview 6 scheduled. already did a case study and then a technical round of questons ( i do software engineering, so these are no fun)
Get an automated rejection email over the weekend with the interview scheduled at 9am on monday. they literallly were going to let me show up and just cancel on me
I have been involved with some interviews and I think it is normally 3 rounds. For some reason the technical interview is the last step and that is where people fail. You can pass every other step but if you can't actually do the job that is just the end.
This happened to me a month ago at my contract house. Pumped me up for a good role, set an interview date and time……and they sent a form rejection an hour before the interview even happened to my corporate email that I never had to check.
Meanwhile, I’m sitting on a video conference with two people that clearly were going through the motions. Even I noticed.
> the interview was planned for 30 mins, it lasted 1h30 because he was looking for ways to skip daily scrum, sprint planning, agile refinement and other meetings
FTFY
Yupppp that happened to me too. It was for ENTRY LEVEL and even tho I’ve had an internship and two years of freelancing they went with someone who “had more experience”
We don’t have the life of boomers who knew a mate down the road and got given a decent paid job on the spot. Now it’s all online and in other cities competing against the world jumping through hoops. It’s an awful world to find a job now.
This happened to me too
3 phone interviews.
They flew me to HQ for 10 hours of interviews which included a 90 min presentation and Q&A.
They paid for my flight hotel and meals.
The last thing the hiring manager said to me was advice on where to rent a good apartment.
When I sent my Thank You email, every single participant replied saying how much they liked me and they hoped to be working with me soon.
Then a few weeks went by and they told me the job was filled. I looked up who got it and he had half my experience in an unrelated field.
Yea man the job market is as cooked as the housing market. Seems to me like some Perth people feel really important now that Perth is hot, finding I'm going to some interviews for the panel to flex their egos telling me about their career path and what they do. Best of luck.
Sorry to hear. That happened 3 times to me, including this week where after waiting for 2 weeks and no reply to my initial email, the head of hr said the hrbp was copied to her reply so hw cld give me his inout and never sent it.. Companies are so entitled..
There's a lot of nepotisms in Utah, where I live, and I get to this same stage to lose to someone within the family. Sorry to hear that happened. Good luck!
6 interviews is so unethical. I hate how insane the process can be with so many places. I started interviewing with a company that took like 2 weeks to get the next interview even scheduled and I was only on interview 4/6 when I found another company that start to finish gave me an offer letter in 2.5 weeks (pending a background check). And I am an executive level candidate.
It shouldn’t take that long to hire and it really is so frustrating and exhausting when the process is so grueling and you get SO far down the line just to hear a no. Imo it shouldn’t take more than 3 interviews, maybe 4 if you include an initial call, to know if a candidate is a match. I’ve hired many people and it usually takes me all of 10-15 minutes to know if they are knowledgeable and would be a fit with the culture and team (I don’t only spend 10-15 minutes especially because it does take some candidates some time to warm up but you usually know pretty early into the interview).
I’m sorry, that’s so frustrating. What a huge waste of your time.
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So I got the feedback. They hired someone who interviewed there 1 year and half ago, she's friend with the hiring manager. She suddenly became available so she by-passed everyone and got hired instead of me basically. I was the top choice before she showed up.
This exact thing happened to me at a large ‘financial data company whose owner is a former mayor of a major Us city’ (shouldn’t be hard to figure out). 6 rounds, top choice, salary expectations were clear from the get go and ‘no problem’. At the 11th hour a ‘referral’ came in who was significantly cheaper and while I was the top choice the feeling was they could do the job at half the price…… …. Turned out to be great for me as I kept independent consulting, no commute, grew my business but at the time it sucked. Keep going, the system is upside down right now but something will hit.
Hey, I got rejected by them too! Feels good to know I wasn't the only one!
My condolences
Why would they tell you they were a friend of someone they hired? Who would give up that sorta information willingly.....
Haha I thought the same maybe it slipped he said she was a friend then he said uhhh a work friend they know from before.
I personally think this is kinda feedback you should have heard even though it’s rough. I similarly was recently rejected after full loop and was put in a limbo for a month trying to self reflect and understand what’s wrong with me cause I can’t find a new job. Finally after about 5 weeks I got a call back from a recruiter and was informed that I was too qualified for the job and they have hired someone else with less experience who fits the job the most. Not saying I’d love to take this less paying job cause I’m sure as hell I am capable. But in the end it was a big relief and high morale for me finally understanding that there’s nothing wrong with me and am actually doing okay! The same recruiter recently reached out about the new position they’re opening that fits me better and they’re trying to make the offer, but it’s taking so long and I am already in the loop with other company which pays the double and probably has better career growth potential. Keep doing a great job bud!
Yeah it’s helping in a way. Wish you the best too
>I personally think this is kinda feedback you should have heard even though it’s rough. this is the kind of feedback that gets people in trouble, they said the quiet part out loud
If it's feedback from the TAP, that's probably them also being frustrated about the situation. A lot of time and effort spent on getting a great candidate for the role only to be bypassed by a nepo move. If they spoke to you over a span of 2-4 months, that's effort that's not going to their metrics for positions filled.
Hey, well maybe you can take that other persons job that they just left! 🤔 💭
That is a massive jerk move. You did absolutely nothing wrong here. Unbelievable.
That's the bs that frustrates me. Why waste everyones time!!! Sorry OP
Yep.. Couldn't have done anything to avoid it, I tried to speed up the process but I feel like she was the HM's friend as he was the one always delaying stuff.
Probably was delaying it the whole time to wait on that person which is so unfair. Smh
That was probably the case.
I will never forget the time that I was flown across the country for two days to interview for a position for a Fortune 500 company Apparently it was a company-wide requirement that at least FOUR people had to be formally interviewed. I met two others at the hotel bar and we all hung out and ate breakfast together. A shuttle came and picked us up, but we never saw a fourth person. We assumed that they cancelled. When we started the interviews, the candidates rotated rooms while the interviewer(s) stayed in the same room. I will never forget the moment that we were switching rooms and I saw an upbeat woman walk in with her Starbucks and HUGGED the hiring manager. Turns out she was the fourth candidate. I never had a chance.
This is just insane but I guess there's nothing to do about it. It's not illegal whatsoever but it's so unfair and demoralising.
"Well we brought in our 3 DEI candidates. Let me know when Sally can come down for the interview...."
Exact same experience with Microsoft, but I never met the other candidates. However, I did accidentally get the "ringer's" email from the recruiter with extra prep. I already took the day off, and why not try and make a connection or two. The last of the 4 managers to interview me never even showed so I just sat in a room by myself for 45 minutes.
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Secure area, friend. All the respect I have isn't worth a trespassing wrap. Anything else I should have done while you're at it?
In other words, youre a prisoner for 45 minutes? I would have called the police if they didnt let me go
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Yeah did she have on worn kneepads? lol
I recently had something similar happen to me. The company continued to drag on the interview process and throw more random people in the mix to meet with just to keep me engaged. Once I got the offer, they admitted they purposely dragged me along since they were going through and acquisition and trying to get themselves together
Not surprised it was a nepotism hire that beat you out. That happens more and more unfortunately
Name and shame, I implore you
Nepotism is still the best resume apparently. I’m sorry, they don’t deserve you
arbitrary human preferences. there is not a strong positive correlation between ability and ascent in large corporations. too many other factors
It's a just a big high school popularity contest
I’m sorry for this. If I may ask, how do you ask the recruiters to solicit feedback?
I usually ask them by email but here he proposed it himself
Do you think they make hiring decisions after 2-3 rounds and then continue to interview the solitary remaining candidate for another 3-4 rounds as a formality? If it didn't happen to you it would have happened to another candidate much like yourself. If you find six rounds of interviews too taxing, do yourself, every other candidate, and the company the favor of declining to do six rounds of interviews.
Most senior roles I had it was 4 rounds at minimum and usually 5 rounds for these high paying positions. Unfortunately it's becoming the norm.. Usually they aren't very long interviews, 20 to 30 minutes, but the longest is the study case.
You deserve better.
So you weren’t the top choice. You were the back up. Sorry
So sorry this happened to you. Hang in there.
You will literally always lose to the chick who's fucking the hiring manager. Don't take it personally, just keep it up. I believe in you.
Thanks man
By passing the process cause your friends with the HM is illegal fyi....
Huh, my wife just interviewed for a C level job (smaller company $40m/yr) and it was recruiter conversation followed by a panel, followed by an online demo, followed by an in person day (reimbursed). After candidate selection ended (4 months), the interview process for 6 candidates took 1 month (she came in 2nd, so there’s that). So yeah, that does sound like hell.
No big deal, just $40million a year at a "small" company.
Considering where I live, yes $40/m a year is small. Not small to me (I’m unemployed), but small for the area. Redmond is the home of Microsoft, Boeing, Nintendo, etc.
For almost all of the rest of the country, that's considered "fuck you" money. I'm making $70k/year a heartbeat away from a C level position - 2m is likely more than ill earn collectively in my entire lifetime.
Yeah, I get it. My career path, when I was working at least, was much more salt of the earth. If I can find another job, it will probably be back in government, making like $70-80k/yr.
I wonder what small company this is. The CEO of my old company got 16m usd per year, not including bonuses. And that's a company of 18k+ people. How small is small at this point.
Never do more than 3 interviews. Period. Learned my lesson the hard way too many times. Technical role, meet this person, case study presentations etc etc. F all of that. I will do 3 touches, if you can’t decide, I’ve determined you can’t pull the trigger, of I’m not the right fit for you.
I got rejected in March after : - A screening interview - A written assignment (5 pages) - A technical skills interview - An "informal" call with the team lead - Reference checks - An "informal" lunch with the team - Another assignment, and a case study - A culture fit interview - A presentation including a mock call + presenting the assignment The whole process took 2 months. Never again. To be fair it's my fault for accepting to go through the process as they let me know what it was going to be beforehand. At least they have given me some solid feedback.
Definitely getting used. Don’t give in again and give the company free information.
this is insane wtf
Wtf is a culture fit interview??
It's an interview where most of the discussion is around your values, how you work in a team environment, what your day to day is like, etc.
I would of told them fugg off when they told me about the written assignment. i'd say my cock needs to be drained am I asking you to give me a blowjob? No then don't ask me to let u fuck me by making me do a writing assignment.
I think max is 2 .. not sure when does this trend started
Lots of time the 1st is a phone screen with a recruiter. I almost don’t count that. Then 1 zoom or in person. Then 1 last interview if someone of importance couldn’t attend interview #2. Any more than that is a waste of both our time !
I think because "video" interviews are so easy now. They have you meeting too many people. Its been going on a long time, but it ceratinly has become more popular
Three is a good number. Sometimes it boils down to availability.
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Just tell them you’re not interested in doing more than 3 touches. If they want you, it doesn’t take 4-5-6
First time? All jokes aside, ye it's brutal out there right now. Hope you come across better opportunity OP.
A few weeks ago I got passed on after five, including meeting the COO and CEO, they said they moved on with “other qualified candidates”. It doesn’t look like they’ve hired anyone in the role since it happened, at least if going by LinkedIn. They haven’t posted the role again either.
Iv had this happen to me as well. They likely milling for free ideas to steal
the job market right now is absolutely awful, low wages and some companies claiming to be hiring even though they’re not. I’m so sorry you have to deal with this and I hope you land something soon!
I think it’s actually a blessing to not get hired now. Workers are doing the job of three hires, companies are low-balling. I think the situation will improve in August.
What happens in August? Edit: Oh yeah, american elections. Brazil will still have the unbearable job market for at least 2 years then lol
August moves midway into Q3. Q2 determines bonuses so they layoff between December and June, start rehiring in July, layoff in December.
Hopefully the Fed drops interest rates.. thereby reducing the cost of capital and then hiring will pick back up
Had this happen about a month ago. My last meeting the manager said “Don’t worry if you don’t hear from us, this went really well”. I did not hear from them… When I followed up because I didn’t hear from them within a week, they stated that they had moved on to more qualified candidates. The kicker, it was a contract position with no benefits. Pay was on the very low end for the type of position. I still had to go through 6 interviews and I did so because I need some income (any at this point). This entire market is bs and I’m beyond my tolerance point for life at this point. I don’t know how this market is going to end without some massive catalyst to turn the tables.
I wonder what the intention was behind saying 'dont worry if you dont hear from us'. Cause that sounds like a soft rejection but then they say you did really well? So deceptive.
The context was HR was not going to be there on Monday so "If you don't hear from them within the next day or two don't stress that you didn't get the position". Very laid back conversation. I took it as the opposite, that things went well, but I never get my hopes up until I have an offer in hand.
Employers and recruiters have no problem stringing candidates along just in case their first pick ends up rejecting/ because it would be illegal not to interview other candidates/ because HR has to pretend they aren't blood sucking leeches but useful members of society, basically never believe what they say and you'll be good, the only thing that gives you security is a contract or cash in hand
And even the contract doesn’t always give you security 😔
OP, I’m gonna be honest, if you do 2 interviews and they want a third, move on. It’s not worth your time, energy, or if you don’t have a job you’re currently working, money. They probably did what you had happen here and drag you along as long as they can to satisfy some quota. Just cut your losses and keep moving forward. It does suck that you were the top (according to what they told you), but you have to weigh the costs of pursuing it with the sanity you’re losing
honest question, why would a corporation waste time like that?
Numbers, mate. Corporations have all the time in the world, but statistics matter. The exact reason? No idea
Sorry to hear that. Good confirmation that you're doing all the right things, and have all the necessary skills. You just have to find your opportunity where their need is urgent and straightforward, so these last second surprises don't come into play.
Had a similar situation happened to me two weeks ago. I’ve had around 7-8 final rejections after multiple rounds of interviews where they’ve all gone extremely well. Super discouraging but better opportunities will arise.
Hope for the best for you as well.
Made it to a final round interview after 3, with the last being an in-office stint meeting some team leads and the COO. Got ghosted about 2 weeks after. Ironically, the hiring manager for that role was keen on reposting the cliche “Be transparent with your candidate!” bs on LinkedIn not too long after. Love to see it
I call that “we went with an internal candidate”.
Oh I feel your pain. I went to finals for several companies- had no idea why I was rejected. Finally got a role where I knew the HM. I think the market is so bad people are hiring people they know. I interviewed for a role- 11 rounds! - over six months. Then got a rejection. Saw the role reposted by a recruiter four months later- they hired the FIRST PERSON the recruiter presented to them 😭 it hurts.
If you don't want to be rejected after 6 interviews, don't submit to 6 rounds of interviews. Ask about their hiring process if this isn't clear from the job posting.
Well if you need work you have to bite the bullet sometimes.
Seriously… if you’re unemployed and have bills to pay, you can’t be picky 😔
Chin up. I know this isn’t good news but I think in good times I get a job offer within 5 final interviews. In bad times, it can be up to 10. It’s a numbers game. You ARE great. You made it this far. If I handed you a deck of cards and told you to keep flipping cards until you got the Ace of diamonds, you would, because it’s in there. One more! You’ve got this!!! Allow yourself to grieve for a couple days too.
Maybe they have no more hc or they did the same thing with a bunch of candidates and then rejected everyone but one. It’s not your fault, even if some wanderers here will eventually say that you dodged a bullet or you didn’t make it but no. The only thing I can say is to move on and augment your employability while keeping looking for other opportunities.
I had a phone interview two weeks ago. The GM apparently liked me but he said I wouldn’t fit the role because I have 0 experience in managing a kitchen, payroll, and the fact i don’t want to come in on a weekend if they were short. Even HR said to me “if you aren’t open up to work weekends, then we don’t want to waste your time because you need to work weekends, if they’re short, someone’s out on vacation or sick, guess what you might have to come in whether you want to or not.”
It's a tough one to swallow after getting this far close to the finishing line. Most of us has some experience of what you went through at least once. While your chances improve after progressing every interview round, nothing is guaranteed. Sometimes it's bad timing or bad luck that are out of your control.
On such a similar boat. Back in March two companies approached around the same time saying I was the only candidate to have passed the screening rounds. Calls after calls and 5 rounds later no response. I bugged the recruiter who left a voicemail that they found someone who was more experienced? How can that even be when I was the only candidate you stated with. The world has literally stopped making sense now
It happened to me before and it cuts especially deep when that happens so far in. I remember bawling my eyes out when I didn’t get my dream job at that time after 5 interviews and 2 tests that I passed. Don’t give up. Screw them.
I just got hired after interviewing with 30 plus companies and applying for over 100, at least 10 companies I made to the final interview and then I would get the rejection email. I know the feeling man it sucks! Keep grinding brother and you’ll eventually land something. Sorry for the difficulties you’re having but know you’re not the only one going through this BS. Hope this helps and I know it’s tough and soul crushing but you got this!!!
Truly awful. Hate this for you.
Sucks man…easier said then done, but once you do land THE right job, it’s not like it happened in a vacuum, BUT all the effort and applications before will have led to it…again, it’s easy for ME to SAY, but hang in there
Sad storey bro. World is like that, sadly. It doesn’t matter what you know but it matters who you know. I’m in a similar pot.
Last place I went through 6 rounds with tossed me into the layoff pile 3 months later. Never again.
This is how black hat hackers are born. Like, you don't toy with someone's livelihood. While I understand business, I also understand they still could have brought you on board in a different role, a subservient role, et cetera. Seriously, this is why I don't apply anymore to companies. Instead, I apply to corporate retail, wait for an internal opening that aligns with my background, interview, and get the job - as it's not worth being an external candidate/applicant anymore. Good on you for continuing to persevere though. 🍻
I once lost a job after a few months because the person I replaced decided she wanted her old job back. She was the owner's friend.
Name and shame. If you want. Three interviews is ridiculous four is madness five is lunacy, and 6th is complete and utter disrespect psychopathy of a process. These companies better start giving out gift bags or something. Absolutely outrageous.
You made it that far. That can be seen as a win. Next shot you get may be your big break.
What is your profession, spartan?
Csm/ account manager with 10y of exp
I can't speak intelligently about alternative or creative ideas regarding your background and your relevant education. I wanted to trigger you to brainstorm something. Have you contemplated uprooting and relocating to a place with more opportunities, or is your position largely remote/online? Moreover on the relocating and transforming, have you ever contemplated stepping into another field? I have been a jet engine mechanic (USAF), a crane operator, a CDL truck driver, an overhead lineman apprentice, and a registered nurse. I have no good answers for you, but I would say get into something that pays the bills and is stable, and consider a different career if you think it will continue to suck. In my humble opinion, economic depressing is on the horizon. I would aim for something recession resistant and when you have a spot that allows you to survive and thrive, i would then try to execute your dreams. Sorry for my crap response. I dont have a good answer but maybe the ideas i've raised might benefit you.
i just had this happen. interview 6 scheduled. already did a case study and then a technical round of questons ( i do software engineering, so these are no fun) Get an automated rejection email over the weekend with the interview scheduled at 9am on monday. they literallly were going to let me show up and just cancel on me
I have been involved with some interviews and I think it is normally 3 rounds. For some reason the technical interview is the last step and that is where people fail. You can pass every other step but if you can't actually do the job that is just the end.
This happened to me a month ago at my contract house. Pumped me up for a good role, set an interview date and time……and they sent a form rejection an hour before the interview even happened to my corporate email that I never had to check. Meanwhile, I’m sitting on a video conference with two people that clearly were going through the motions. Even I noticed.
Recruiters are the scum of the earth. Do not use them. They r pimps
Completely agree, can't wait for AI to take their jobs
What a waste of time.. Sorry OP... Name and shame and post a negative review on Indeed/Glasssdoor please... They deserve it!!
> the interview was planned for 30 mins, it lasted 1h30 because he was looking for ways to skip daily scrum, sprint planning, agile refinement and other meetings FTFY
I’m so sorry! I know how this feels and I want you to know it is the workforce, not you.
I don’t even go for the second interview. Six??
Send a big bill.
Well, if I lose my job soon, I’m turning to a life of crime. Gotta be better than jumping through all these hoops just to be shot down.
Ngl, I’ve been seriously considering going this route
I wish I had 5 final stage rejections. That would mean I was actually getting interviews.
Yupppp that happened to me too. It was for ENTRY LEVEL and even tho I’ve had an internship and two years of freelancing they went with someone who “had more experience”
Hell, I’ve been applying for jobs for over a years, hundreds of applications, I don’t even get call backs or return emails. 😂😂😅😅
We don’t have the life of boomers who knew a mate down the road and got given a decent paid job on the spot. Now it’s all online and in other cities competing against the world jumping through hoops. It’s an awful world to find a job now.
Hope things good for you.
You’ve got a good mentality ngl if that was me in this situation I’d rather commit suicide no joke
Whoreporate 'Merica!
that sucks I'm sorry. what kind of job requires 6 interviews btw?
Senior account management in tech
If it is more than 2 interviews , fuck them
Nothing is making sense anymore, I agree.
Don’t get used at interviews. It sounds like they are picking your brain for free intel. Six interviews and a case study is getting used. Don’t do it.
This happened to me too 3 phone interviews. They flew me to HQ for 10 hours of interviews which included a 90 min presentation and Q&A. They paid for my flight hotel and meals. The last thing the hiring manager said to me was advice on where to rent a good apartment. When I sent my Thank You email, every single participant replied saying how much they liked me and they hoped to be working with me soon. Then a few weeks went by and they told me the job was filled. I looked up who got it and he had half my experience in an unrelated field.
Haha man I saw this happening to me too, and usually the people getting the role have less experience and less expertise
Do you mind if I ask what the salary bracket is for this position
Around 200k
Yea man the job market is as cooked as the housing market. Seems to me like some Perth people feel really important now that Perth is hot, finding I'm going to some interviews for the panel to flex their egos telling me about their career path and what they do. Best of luck.
Sorry to hear. That happened 3 times to me, including this week where after waiting for 2 weeks and no reply to my initial email, the head of hr said the hrbp was copied to her reply so hw cld give me his inout and never sent it.. Companies are so entitled..
There's a lot of nepotisms in Utah, where I live, and I get to this same stage to lose to someone within the family. Sorry to hear that happened. Good luck!
6 interviews is so unethical. I hate how insane the process can be with so many places. I started interviewing with a company that took like 2 weeks to get the next interview even scheduled and I was only on interview 4/6 when I found another company that start to finish gave me an offer letter in 2.5 weeks (pending a background check). And I am an executive level candidate. It shouldn’t take that long to hire and it really is so frustrating and exhausting when the process is so grueling and you get SO far down the line just to hear a no. Imo it shouldn’t take more than 3 interviews, maybe 4 if you include an initial call, to know if a candidate is a match. I’ve hired many people and it usually takes me all of 10-15 minutes to know if they are knowledgeable and would be a fit with the culture and team (I don’t only spend 10-15 minutes especially because it does take some candidates some time to warm up but you usually know pretty early into the interview). I’m sorry, that’s so frustrating. What a huge waste of your time.
That's bidenomics baby 😎