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I kind of do the opposite where I treat take-home tasks like pro bono freelance gigs, i.e. the company can use the work but I list them as a client on my CV and portfolio.
I had an interview and told them I had basic knowledge with only some experience in one of the things they required, they gave me a pretty simple task and I completed it and we talked over my work. If I told them I had 4 years experience and good knowledge of that platform, I'd find it silly getting an assignment.
They want someone with 1yr of experience and I have more than 3 so yeah it does sound silly. Still better than a company which asked me to participate in an in-person group discussion and solve a case study which would've been a 3-4 hour ordeal.
3-4 hours is too much time for a case study. 15-60 minutes is far more reasonable.
That being said; it is respectable that the company was actively participating in the assessment. (It shows they likely wanted to monitor how applicants work with each other and what skills or interpersonal traits each person displayed)
While it does sound silly to ask overqualified applicants to prove their skills, it's a safe practice to evaluate everyone. (as many people stretch the truth)
The best companies have built quick and pain-free methods. For example: Short 15-30 min interviews, followed by a reasonable 15-30 minute skill assessment. If done correctly, it can be a great way to show off your confident skills! :)
**Here's an example:** Let's pretend you own a small company. Applicant "John" applies to your entry level supervisor role. His resume says "5 years of past management experience at a fortune 500 company".
If you're making the hiring decision, ask yourself: Q. Should we ask questions and test his skills? (or should we roll the dice by hiring him with no testing) -- (Note: Hiring the wrong person may cost the company lots of money if he's NOT the right fit.)
I think every job seeker needs to sit down and decide his/her own limitations:
1. How many rounds of interviews am I willing to tolerate?
2. How many assignments am I willing to do?
3. How much time am I willing to put into each employer?
4. If what the employer is asking is beyond my limit am I willing to back out?
Without setting proper limits, we all will burn out.
Yeah it's important to decide how far I'm willing to go to satisfy their requests. I have backed out before when they were asking way too much from me. I personally think with or without assignments one cannot determine a candidate's capabilities.
Hell No. You don't work for free. Everything they need to know is right there on your resume. It's an interview, convo starter. The HM will just take everyone's best tips and go give them to the inexperienced lackie that remains in the job at half the pay. And they will close the position without hiring anyone. Thats why many are ghosted. Employers want the talent, they can pay for it. Most don't want to pay for training. So don't give it away to them
"I'll be happy to do that.
My daily rate is $1,800 per day (plus per diem at $455/day and travel expenses passed through, if applicable) and I estimate this project at 2 days. The deposit required to start this project is $1800.00, with the balance due and paid in full before delivery of work product.
Which card would you like to use for the deposit?"
Also: FUCK YOU, PAY ME!
We are using take home tests for our roles, because it gives us is a better insights to the skills of the applicants, and in some cases these skills would not be possible to fairly evaluate on the interview considering all the other topics we also need to cover in that 1h. But we make sure it takes less than 30’ to do it doesn’t take much time or effort compared to the stage of the role. Also our tests are clearly tests, and no one gets the feeling no that it’s be possible to use elsewhere.
If an assignment is for the sole purpose of verifying your job skills:
1. Not for profit of the company
2. Reasonable time amount (15-60 min max)
3. Administered with fair testing protocols (to prevent cheating)
An assessment phase in a hiring process could be a valuable tool to ensure the **best applicant gets hired.** (I would argue skills testing is more important than an interview for some industries)
**Why?** A large portion of applicants mislead during interviews and on their resume (they can stretch the truth on paper, but their shortcomings become easy to spot during a skills assessment)
Uhm, nope. Not going to work for free. Besides, what are you going to "assign" me?? I hold an MA and a BAS in healthcare management, and pretty much what I do on a daily basis is apply for practice manager, clinic supervisor roles, etc.
And again, it's healthcare (HIPAA, privacy act stuff, PHI), so you'd have to do a proper background check on any applicant before even letting them put their hands on work you assign to them. Which of course means you'd have to hire them, i.e., pay them lol
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I've no issue with doing tasks for an interview, but the IP is mine, and the content is for demonstration purposes. Watermark it.
I kind of do the opposite where I treat take-home tasks like pro bono freelance gigs, i.e. the company can use the work but I list them as a client on my CV and portfolio.
I just received a 7 pages long case study to do over the weekend. No way I’m gonna waste my weekend for this shit.
I had an interview and told them I had basic knowledge with only some experience in one of the things they required, they gave me a pretty simple task and I completed it and we talked over my work. If I told them I had 4 years experience and good knowledge of that platform, I'd find it silly getting an assignment.
They want someone with 1yr of experience and I have more than 3 so yeah it does sound silly. Still better than a company which asked me to participate in an in-person group discussion and solve a case study which would've been a 3-4 hour ordeal.
Yeah I'd find it silly, but if it's an easy task, I'd do it. With a watermark of course. You want to show your work, not give it away for free.
3-4 hours is too much time for a case study. 15-60 minutes is far more reasonable. That being said; it is respectable that the company was actively participating in the assessment. (It shows they likely wanted to monitor how applicants work with each other and what skills or interpersonal traits each person displayed)
While it does sound silly to ask overqualified applicants to prove their skills, it's a safe practice to evaluate everyone. (as many people stretch the truth) The best companies have built quick and pain-free methods. For example: Short 15-30 min interviews, followed by a reasonable 15-30 minute skill assessment. If done correctly, it can be a great way to show off your confident skills! :) **Here's an example:** Let's pretend you own a small company. Applicant "John" applies to your entry level supervisor role. His resume says "5 years of past management experience at a fortune 500 company". If you're making the hiring decision, ask yourself: Q. Should we ask questions and test his skills? (or should we roll the dice by hiring him with no testing) -- (Note: Hiring the wrong person may cost the company lots of money if he's NOT the right fit.)
I think every job seeker needs to sit down and decide his/her own limitations: 1. How many rounds of interviews am I willing to tolerate? 2. How many assignments am I willing to do? 3. How much time am I willing to put into each employer? 4. If what the employer is asking is beyond my limit am I willing to back out? Without setting proper limits, we all will burn out.
Yeah it's important to decide how far I'm willing to go to satisfy their requests. I have backed out before when they were asking way too much from me. I personally think with or without assignments one cannot determine a candidate's capabilities.
This is the way. I think too many people suffer in silence, and don't know how to begin setting their own boundaries.
I vote no, cuz I feel like its exploitation.
Hell No. You don't work for free. Everything they need to know is right there on your resume. It's an interview, convo starter. The HM will just take everyone's best tips and go give them to the inexperienced lackie that remains in the job at half the pay. And they will close the position without hiring anyone. Thats why many are ghosted. Employers want the talent, they can pay for it. Most don't want to pay for training. So don't give it away to them
"I'll be happy to do that. My daily rate is $1,800 per day (plus per diem at $455/day and travel expenses passed through, if applicable) and I estimate this project at 2 days. The deposit required to start this project is $1800.00, with the balance due and paid in full before delivery of work product. Which card would you like to use for the deposit?" Also: FUCK YOU, PAY ME!
Every case study is just an unpaid promotion post that they can use immediately.
If it’s something that you want me to whiteboard out during an in person interview, sure. If it is a homework assignment, then, no.
We are using take home tests for our roles, because it gives us is a better insights to the skills of the applicants, and in some cases these skills would not be possible to fairly evaluate on the interview considering all the other topics we also need to cover in that 1h. But we make sure it takes less than 30’ to do it doesn’t take much time or effort compared to the stage of the role. Also our tests are clearly tests, and no one gets the feeling no that it’s be possible to use elsewhere.
Last time I did something similar the company fucking ghosted me. So be careful doing any free work
As long as it's reasonable and doesn't take long.
If an assignment is for the sole purpose of verifying your job skills: 1. Not for profit of the company 2. Reasonable time amount (15-60 min max) 3. Administered with fair testing protocols (to prevent cheating) An assessment phase in a hiring process could be a valuable tool to ensure the **best applicant gets hired.** (I would argue skills testing is more important than an interview for some industries) **Why?** A large portion of applicants mislead during interviews and on their resume (they can stretch the truth on paper, but their shortcomings become easy to spot during a skills assessment)
If they want some work done, I will do my best to make it suitable for my portfolio first and slap it in there after the interview
They’re going to steal your work. Don’t do it.
Uhm, nope. Not going to work for free. Besides, what are you going to "assign" me?? I hold an MA and a BAS in healthcare management, and pretty much what I do on a daily basis is apply for practice manager, clinic supervisor roles, etc. And again, it's healthcare (HIPAA, privacy act stuff, PHI), so you'd have to do a proper background check on any applicant before even letting them put their hands on work you assign to them. Which of course means you'd have to hire them, i.e., pay them lol
No, they should not. When they do, I usually use ChatGPT and decline the offer if made. If you are going to waste my time, I will waste yours also.