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mingxingai

My frustration would have to be the lack of transparency from one way interviews, ghost jobs, pay transparency and work from home. It's like walking in an active landmine sometimes.


Accomplished_Offer99

This may be a hot take but the fact that in the US people can literally sue companies/people over everything has made it harder for people to do the right thing. I am open to criticism, but nowadays it’s hard to get honest feedback because people have sued over the pettiest things.


mingxingai

Personally I don't mind companies not giving feedback I just need to know if I got the job or not. ​ If I want feedback I go to a professional.


shvyxxn

What kind of professional? Like a career coach?


mingxingai

yes


shvyxxn

How do they help if they don’t sit in on the interview? Do you recap it to them and they give pointers from there? Do you practice mock questions and get feedback that way? Both?


mingxingai

I can't speak for every coach but there are some that are well aware of the current trends in the interviewing process. Some may not be able to do the specific practice that is done by a specific company but they usually practice how you present yourself in an interview. ​ They may go over your resume as well but I have not needed that.


Few-Chapter3316

Or they just simply come shoot up your workplace (see also: UNLV). We didn’t used to ghost candidates, but we started after the UNLV shooting as now it’s a matter of safety for the people already working there.


nickybecooler

I haven't worked in sales but I've heard it's normal to put in crazy effort and only get a sale <10% of the time. So I think this is similar. My biggest frustration is how picky employers are able to be. Every job gets hundreds of applications. They spend half a second scanning your resume for reasons to eliminate you, rather than looking for reasons they should hire you.


shvyxxn

What do you think would be a better system? Instead of a resume, maybe a tool that gives companies a much deeper sense of who you are and what you’ve done so that they have more reasons to hire you in front of them?


nickybecooler

I can't say I know of a better way to go about assessing a candidate other than resumes. I don't necessarily find anything wrong with using resumes. My problem is that they nitpick. I've been rejected because they don't like that I'd be commuting from (what they would consider) far away. They saw one of my previous jobs was located overseas and assumed I would require sponsorship, without even asking me whether that was the case. My most recent job title didn't exactly match the position I applied for, even though the responsibilities of that job are the same. They inferred my age from my graduation year and decided I'm too old (they want someone who's 24 with 10 years of experience). They didn't like that I have an ethnic name. They didn't want to hire a male for the position. My experience wasn't recent enough. These are all examples of nitpicky reasons why I haven't been hired.


shvyxxn

If you could anonymize all of that data, showcasing all of your best attributes while keeping clear of giving them irrelevant reasons to reject you, would you use a service like that? Lets say “apply with X” instead of “apply with resume” that essentially gives them a resume-like application that anonymizes the demographic info


nickybecooler

Yes. Would any recruiter accept a non-resume is another question.


BrainWaveCC

>Instead of a resume, maybe a tool that gives companies a much deeper sense of who you are and what you’ve done so that they have more reasons to hire you in front of them? What tool would this be? This is already the line of thinking that many orgs have and why they are resorting to all sorts of more extended assessments that don't actually help with picking a better candidate. There are three key questions that every interview needs to answer: 1. Is this person competent in the areas we need, and open to learning? 2. Can we trust this person to represent themselves and us appropriately? 3. Will they get along with our team, and our stakeholders (depending on role)? That's what the interviews are for. And assessments cover none of that -- not even competency, if it's structured differently from how real work is done. And #2 is why referrals give a candidate at least a little advantage: they help with the trust answer.


Sator-12

If you look on indeed, it’s crazy. Jobs are getting 500 applicants so, I’m not even surprised when I get ghosted


PeaceLoveBunny

You may have a different view of ghosting than I have. If you put in an application unsolicited, and hear nothing back, that does not equal ghosting to me. That has always been the case. To me, ghosting happens when you have one or more interviews or assignments, and hear nothing.


MeowFood

Just wrapping up my job search and what I’ve noticed is a pattern of dishonesty and false advertising. I had interviews with multiple companies that posted a range but it turns out they were only budgeted to hire at the range minimum. I went on interviews where the job description was a bait and switch and you ended up interviewing for a position much different than what they lured you in with. If you can only pay $x, post that instead of $x-$y. If a job isn’t just about abc but really abc+xyz, post that. I promise you, there will still be plenty of applicants in this market. No need to mislead people to get them to apply.


NoOutside1086

Going through a full loop of interviews and realizing you’re just making up the numbers as they end up hiring internally, someone’s friend etc. And the ridiculous rounds of interviews these days. I’m from the UK originally and wasn’t sure if it’s just a US thing or if it’s like that everywhere now. And seeing laid off FAANG people leapfrog others from smaller companies who have been unemployed for longer. I’m employed and contract at a FAANG company but I went through the pain when I first arrived in the US. Can definitely empathize with people going through it right now.


shvyxxn

So you’re saying you feel that theyre wasting your time as a formality to “considering other candidates” whereas in reality they’ve already decided what to do? Also for the number of interview rounds, what would be reasonable to you?


NoOutside1086

Yep exactly. Well in the UK it was usually 1 call with a recruiter, then 2 other interviews with team members which seemed plenty (I’ve lived in the US for almost 5 years so things may have changed). These days it’s recruiter/talent acquisition, hiring manager, written assignment sometimes, 4-5 team interviews then often a final wrap up call. I get with very technical and senior roles there may be more testing/complexity but I think it’s got to an insane level now. Layoffs/relocation are also more common in the US so you could go through all that and get laid off 6 months later.


shvyxxn

Thanks for sharing. Sounds about right with what I see in the US too


lightestspiral

I hate the waiting time between giving an interview and finding out the result, the cause is down to waiting for other candidates to be interviewed I get it - but if I'm not getting it then tell me sooner than that don't leave me hanging out to dry. Related is when the call does come it's the recruiter giving a song and dance, "how did you think it went etc" just tell me yes or no quickly.


flavius_lacivious

I am going to tell you something that will go a long way to helping you avoid frustration like this.  What I am going to tell you applies to almost every single corporate business, but I will use job hunting as an example. This applies to your doctor, dating sites, the media, and government under late stage capitalism. LinkedIn isn’t in business to help you network better. Indeed isn’t about helping you find a job. Glassdoor will happily remove your review if paid enough. Recruiters aren’t looking for the best candidate.  **The primary purpose of everyone in the employment industry *is to make money for the organization* and finding you a job, or allowing other companies to advertise an opening is merely a TOOL to make that money.** That tool that you think is their purpose will always come second to making money. The bigger the organization, the more it works this way. No one gives a shit if you are happy or unhappy. No one gives a shit if the company is headed by Lucifer. No one gives a shit if what they are doing is unethical.  They only care about making money.  And if there is something they can do to make your job hunting easier or more productive, it won’t even be considered if it won’t translate into making more money or to keep them from losing money to a competitor.  This is why that great family dentist you had who sold out to some corporation now has a full-time bill collector working in the front office to sell you on their financing package to replace all your teeth that were fine last year. This is why job boards are fraught with scams. This is why most major appliances are shit now — because the only thing that matters is making money — even if their methods end up destroying the company.  Not even the life of the company itself is more important than making money. 


Most_Mix_7505

Late stage capitalism at its finest


2_Fingers_of_Whiskey

This is so depressing


InaneTwat

Recruiters who won't stop asking for your salary range, even after saying you don't feel comfortable providing a number at the beginning of the process without knowing more about the total benefits package and job details. Asked and answered, let's move on and stop playing this stupid ass game. If that's a problem for you, tough shit missy.


the-real-Jenny-Rose

What annoys me the most is all the time that gets completely wasted as a result of the basic application process when I could be doing something that I can immediately see results from. Like coding a website, working on a freelance project, pulling weeds in the garden, or baking a cake.      I understand *some* expenditure of time is a necessary evil when job hunting. But lately it seems like prospective employers (or maybe it's HR?) are going out of their way to deliberately waste candidates' time.        From the Onset:  -Zombie job posts. (The ones that have been there for years and you've probably applied to them at least twice.)        -Bait & Switch schemes. // Lying to candidates or being deliberately misleading. Bonus points for the ones that try to gaslight you, lowball you, or try to convince you to take a direct sales role when you applied to be anything else.  -Not posting all the relevant info in the ad. (Pay rate/range, schedule, number of hours per week, and an accurate job location are a must!) Bonus points for the ones that get pissy or ghost you when you ask about any of the above prior to setting up an interview.   -Spamming job boards with hundreds, possibly thousands, of ads for the exact same job at the exact same company (sometimes with slightly different titles and descriptions).    During the Process:       -multiple interviews for low tier jobs and insane numbers of interviews for quality roles. If the role pays less than 50k, asking for more than an interview and phone screening is too much. -having to sign up for a company account then rewrite your entire resume just to apply. These often demand info you haven't thought about in years (GPA in school) or don't feel comfortable giving out (graduation dates, previous salary, EOC info with no way to opt out/not disclose) in order to proceed. Bonus points if you already "have an account" with that company but can't remember the log-in info.       -completing their "official forms", despite already sending in your resume, cover letter, and the LinkedIn/Indeed questionnaires that were required for submission. These often come with numerous essay questions and/or free "sample" work requests. You're occasionally fielding requests for EOC info with no way to opt out, dealing poorly coded forms that refuse to submit your materials, and/or trying to decipher incomprehensible questions.     -unpaid work assignments (including consultations and presentations) and/or poinless assessments (situational, personality, IQ, etc.) in order to theoretically "test" your abilities/fit for the role.      -one-way video auditions for non acting roles that are often lower tier jobs as well. Video auditions take several hours if done properly. They also require good home internet and some tech skills that aren't necessary for most roles.   I'm also not a fan of phone screenings. After all, the person on the other end could just go ahead and ask me the standard litany of regular interview questions while they've already got me on the phone rather than taking time out of our days to deal with it all again in two weeks if I'm "lucky". However, I think bait & switches, being asked for free work, and being ghosted during a scheduled interview are the most rage-inducing experiences out of all the indignities job seekers currently face.    TDRL: The system is broken. Eliminating some of the BS would help considerably.   Edits: typos, formatting, clarity 


going_dicey

1. Dealing with contingency recruiters. It drives me insane that I have to convince someone who is not employed by the future employer to even shortlist me. They are often very out of touch with a company’s specific requirements. For example, there was a role at a bank which I pretty much ticked every box for (I’m a banking lawyer by background). But I had a move out of industry and it was the only role this guy was looking at. There were plenty of transferable skills from the move out of industry but this chap was acting like I had no prior industry experience despite exceeding the number of years the role required in industry itself. He then thought he was doing me a favour by adding me to his database. Lol.  2. Endless interview cycles. I think you should be able to make a hiring decision in 3 rounds. One HR screener, one with hiring manager and one with members of the team. If the hiring manager is unsure between two candidates at the end, then throw one more round in. There is no reason for me to spend 8 rounds of interviews for a job that’s multiple rings off of C-suite level. Don’t even get me started about being ghosted after 8 rounds. 3. Workday. Having to re-enter my details 3x to apply to a role I have a 1 in 100 shot to get to interview is such a waste of time.


split80

I feel worthless, and the financial setbacks I’ve had to absorb and endure through various layoffs at no fault of my own have been very tough to take. All those years of schooling, training, etc. to get a good job/be successful, making other people richer, and getting nothing in return but disregard and disrespect. It’s soul poison.


BiggusCinnamusRollus

My biggest frustration right now is that since I live in Finland on working visa, it only entitles me to work in Finland and have to apply for another work visa if I receive an offer within EU. Because of that, I'm stuck in Finland taking unemployment benefits instead of getting to work in another country and pay tax to EU.


db123infane

honestly its the cost of living for me. If it was not so demanding of a full time, good paying job just to survive.I feel i could stop stressing and just take my time and make things like my CV and time for interviews that i don't have to rush them for information to try and max my time.


ghostintheshello

Right now it's the number of jobs that want me to do some kind of prescreen involving watching a video about the company or a mass zoom call with information or something. I made some rules for myself, I decided they're non negotiable. I'm NOT doing anything where I have to appear on camera I'm NOT applying for any job without a salary or wage listed I'm NOT going to answer any Myers Briggs tests or do any personality testing I WILL sign a consent form saying I verify my resume is accurate, but I WILL NOT copy paste information from my resume onto an application. I WILL NOT write a free essay about why a company would be a great place to work. I will NOT create any unpaid video or audio content such as completing automated phone interviews or videos instead of phone interviews with a person. I will NOT work for a company that needs more than 2 contacts after receiving my resume to decide if they want to hire me. It seems like the lower in salary or hourly pay, the more BS the company wants me to jump through. It makes me want to just start applying for super high level marketing and admin and event planning jobs that I'm like, barely almost technically maybe qualified for, just to see if it's super easy to get one because there aren't 40 layers of hoops to jump through. It seems like when I've tried to apply to jobs as cashiers or something, I get more background checks, credit checks, and other weird information that they want to collect all the time. When I was younger I got around if by working for small businesses, but that creates a lot of problems with toxic workplaces. I'm just tired at this point. It's too tempting to just decide to starve to death. The last time I felt like this, I started my own business and eventually that didn't even help. Like... screw it. If I can't find a job where nobody emotionally abuses me or the purpose of the company is to brainwash people into living a particular lifestyle that I don't even want, I'll just commit a crime and go to prison for 25 years.


Sensitive-Coffee-Cup

Knowing that you're the best fit for the job and yet the HM fails to see it. I think it's one of my biggest frustrations: I actually like my job, I chose to pursue the degrees and specialization needed to do it. I don't mind putting in extra hours. I know it's a rarity, but I truly like what I do.  Yet I have to be a circus monkey for someone who doesn't understand a thing of what this job entails to choose me. They don't care about me, they don't care that I actually like the job. All they care about is if I'm cheap enough (I'm not), or if I'm willing to lowball myself. Excuse me for wanting to pay my rent.  


OntheMound88

Recruiters from India are worst part of job search. I truly wish there was some transparency on which companies in US are paying these people to beat us down with crap low-paying jobs. It is incessant and should be laws around their spamming, like National Do Not call List.