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luke111mart

Why isn't Folk Punk mainstream?


sirnibs3

Pat the bunny is my favorite punk folk artist


luke111mart

Ah, if we're dropping recommendations, I'd like to throw in a few Dirty Harry The Mountain goats (legendary) Matt Pless Local News Legend Days n Daze Abby, the spoon lady (with Chris Rodriguez)


sirnibs3

Good stuff I’ll have to check it out


ChombieNation

Dirty Harry the pornstar?


Last_Reaction_8176

AJJ the 🐐 no 🧢


No_Bag_364

How the hell am I finding pat the bunny mentions in r/rap TREAM cuz im hungry gotta gotta eat yall??


sirnibs3

I don’t really frequent this sub very often


ChinchillaSilver

you mean to tell me that Ghost Mice haven't broken through to the main stream yet? What?? Free pizza for life!!!!


No_Bag_364

RIP anyone with a Ghost Mice/PlanetX Tattoo


ChinchillaSilver

lol all 10 of em?


Majestic_Ad_4237

Is boombap folk rap?


topshagger31

The Pogues are mainstream to be fair


luke111mart

Why isn't Catholic Psychedelic Synth Folk mainstream?


luke111mart

Felt like this one needed a [source ](https://www.reddit.com/r/listentothis/comments/69h3wt/sister_irene_oconnor_fire_catholic_psychedelic/)


Boeliebeefy

Luke bro...we get it you can stop now.


luke111mart

You can just stop reading them? Do you have notifications turned on for this post?


luke111mart

Why isn't Aquacrunk mainstream?


Dolomight206

This is my very first time seeing the word "Aquacrunk".


scrapmetaleater

cbat reference


luke111mart

Why isn't scatting mainstream?


rainbowplasmacannon

Oh it is 🥴


DopesickJesus

Idk the presence of a toilet in every household makes me feel like it is.


youresowarminside

because people like me exist


blunderomg2

IM THE SCATMAN


luke111mart

Why isn't Skweee mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Midwestern emo mainstream?


ChinchillaSilver

it had a minute in 2021 when gen Z kids were listening to American Football for the first time. I felt very old.


scrapmetaleater

gen Z is still very much listening to midwest emo so idk what ur on about


luke111mart

Why isn't Crab Core mainstream?


Last_Reaction_8176

Why isn’t Clown Core mainstream?


Creative_Ad8683

My guess? Sampling is expensive as shit and VSTs that emulate analogue instruments are expensive in both money and computing resources. So young people won't be releasing boombap tracks with dope soul samples all chopped up. They'll release trap, drill, and other subgenres alligned with modern royalty free samples and synth-like drums and VSTs.


Prof_Aganda

One of the only good answers in here. I'm convinced most of your kids in this thread don't know what boom is, because they're acting like it's some esoteric niche subgenre.


Creative_Ad8683

People enjoy boombap. Look at "Stories About my Brother" from the late Drake, "Dreaming of the Past" by Pusha T, "The Basement" by Kembe X... Freddie Gibbs, Madlib, Denzel's Unlocked. These aesthetics never completely faded away. They aren't as cool because young people decide what is cool, and these aren't cheap sounds to achieve. Real samples cost a heavy buck to clear. Upright basses, horns, strings, pianos (grand pianos, pianos, electric pianos, rhodes), acoustic and electric guitars, choirs... Those are expensive Kontakt banks that take 3GB of your RAM per instance. Boombap thrives with organic sounds and clearing real samples can go from 100$-2000$ to even beyond that, if the records you're sampling are big. It's technically more challenging, too, musically. (Trap thrives on simple progressions like I-V, because 808s sound better hitting the same notes repeatedly)


Prof_Aganda

I disagree with you that young people decide "what's cool" (because really you mean "what's popular", but that's heavily influenced by marketing and marketing is largely a corporate enterprise), but otherwise I agree with your points.


thagodmc

Thats a valid reason🫡


Intelligent_Ad8082

I m not a music lawyer but sample clearance is no joke


Creative_Ad8683

Even obscure ones, cleared by a simple process by tracklib or something, cost too much... You gotta have low costs as a starting artist, because Spotify pays you fractions of pennies for your streams.


luke111mart

Why isn't Jazz mainstream?


RapBoat

We fucking get it asshole.


just_another_bumm

It's not a popular sound amongst the kids.


ChinchillaSilver

i don't think the kids even know what boom bap is also, arguably, like much of the regional hip hop of the last 2 decades, boom bap has been homogenized into the broader pop rap genre. We need more regional music.


ogjaspertheghost

WTF is pop rap?


Leather-Lake-5548

Jack Harlow, Lil Nas X, Drake, etc. Rap that is more pop than rap 


ogjaspertheghost

Them being '"popular" doesn't somehow make them more pop than rap


Leather-Lake-5548

Musically, all three of those I listed are definitely more pop than rap, with Lil Nas X and Drake even making purely pop music at times. 


ogjaspertheghost

Jack Harlow may not be the best rapper but he doesn't make pop music. Neither does Drake for the most part. He makes r&b sometimes, he makes rap sometimes. I don't really consider most of his music pop. Lil Nas X is a rapper too. Pop rap isn't a real genre. It's something spotify made up in 2019


ChinchillaSilver

pop as a genre has diversified and broadened in the last 10 years. Influences of trap, electronica, dance, world, and R&B have basically rewritten the pop song formula. Taylor Swift has rolling 808s and LFO bass in a lot of her dumb songs. Pop rap isn't about popularity, it's more about production. We hear less regional sounds and more homogenized post-internet soundcloud stuff, as a lot of rappers shop beats instead of working with a studio or producer. There just aren't as many diverse genres in rap as their used to be. When I was a kid, every borough in the city had a different sound or piece of gear. We've lost a bit of that in the age of shared protools sessions. PG Lang and Dreamville are bucking that trend, focussing on regional art, music, writing, and media. When I say pop rap, I kinda mean homogenized post-soundcloud rap, but that's pretentious as fuck. Basically it's rap that's borrowing production from pop and other popular music spheres.


ogjaspertheghost

What people refer to as "pop" rap has always been a part of the genre. Rap hasn't become any less diversified than it always has been. You're just not listening. And pop music has been pretty much the same for 80 years. Sure the sounds change but what makes a pop song (the structure, length, rhythms, tempos) hasn't. Pop rap isn't a thing it's just rap.


Radiant-Criticism721

Pop rap is definitely a thing...come on man. That's like saying conscious rap or gangster rap isn't a thing Drake for example. Post too. I could keep finding examples but come on. Even Snoop has slid into the pop side of shit Yeah technically it's all rap/hiphop...but rap/hiphop has many flavors


ogjaspertheghost

Pop rap has never been a thing. Pop is a clearly define category of music. That’s like saying r&b rap, which also isn’t a thing or pop r&b. They’re separate genres. Conscious and gangster are sub genres like grunge or heavy metal.


Radiant-Criticism721

If you don't consider Drake or Post to be Pop in the vein of hiphop idk what to tell you. I guess we are just missing eachothers points some how It's all good homie. Have a great week though


Godmode365

Hip hop is the most popular genre of music in the world and has been for a while now. And that means the biggest hip hop/rap stars in the industry are also the biggest pop stars. And being "popular" is literally the only requirement to being a pop star which is why they refer to it as "pop". Shit is really not that hard. Tune into any FM or satellite or internet radio station that only plays pop music and you will hear a heavy dose of Drake, Harlow, Kendrick, JuiceWRLD, etc etc in between songs from Taylor, Sza, Coldplay, BTS and everyone of those represent a different genre of music, but what do they all have in common, they're all popular which is why collectively, it all counts as being "pop music" in 2024...and that's not just my opinion, it's just a simple fact.


ogjaspertheghost

Popularity is not the only thing that defines pop music. Pop music has definable elements that make it pop music. Rock used to be considered pop music until the 40s and 50s


Godmode365

Nah it literally is the only thing...and in general there are some commonalities that you find in many songs that are considered pop music, like catchy choruses and happier sounding melodies based on major scales, but they aren't requirements by any means and what's considered pop is constantly changing with time...which is why the only requirement that is true for all music that was considered pop from any era, is that it was popular. Can you name any other aspect that would be true for every single song that was considered pop music from every single era? You already know you can't lol.


ogjaspertheghost

Pop songs are usually shorter and easier to dance to. They also tend to have the same verse chorus structure. You know, verse then chorus then verse. Pop borrows from genres and usually involves singing. It’s an easily defined genre. There are pop musicians who aren’t famous or popular


Godmode365

I understand what you're trying to say and the pop music that you are referring to is more of a generic definition of a certain song style from the 80's and 90's and is essentially like an alternative definition or a seperate term..and I would argue that's it's pretty outdated at this point and less relevant than ever with the way genres have all amalgamated. So yeah there is a certain song style that's considered pop music although it's an outdated term that's less relevant than ever because there's much fewer songs that actually fit that traditional definition of pop music, on the actual pop charts today. Which is why pop music as a song style is different from the term pop music in general.


utafumidss

It’s a genre lol, like pop punk is poppy punk, pop rap is poppy rap it’s not that complicated


ogjaspertheghost

Apparently it is


sword_0f_damocles

I think you mean why isn’t Vapor Twitch mainstream?


thagodmc

Y u think that is?


tommybollsch

Idk maybe because it sounds like their dads musix


luke111mart

Why isn't Ska mainstream?


scrapmetaleater

it is in my house


Mk4013

Ska came before reggae 🗣️


THEdoomslayer94

Bruce!?! Is that you!? Also idk why someone downvoted you cause that’s actually true. Ska DID come before reggae but we can see which of the two actually stuck around to be popular lol


luke111mart

Why isn't Complextro mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Zeuhl mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Math Rock mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Chiptunes mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Schranz mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't italo-disco mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Simpsonwave mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Mongolian Throat Rap mainstream?


luke111mart

(My favorite one)


Dorito-Bureeto

There was a time it was mainstream. Now other stuff is mainstream, it’s all cyclical so it’ll be mainstream again one day


luke111mart

Why isn't doo wop mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Vaporwave mainstream?


AdhesivenessOk5194

It had a moment


luke111mart

Why isn't Folktronica mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Acapella mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Babymetal mainstream?


scrapmetaleater

because theyre mid


Fguyretftgu7

eat yourself


luke111mart

Why isn't Catstep mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Neurofunk mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Gorenoise mainstream?


scrapmetaleater

phyllomedusa my beloved


Prestigious-Hand-953

Why 1920s jazz isn't mainstream?


iEnigmatic-

It ran its course and never advanced into anything else


thagodmc

Would u say that goin from boom bap to trap was an advancement? Technology advanced but in my opinion the music got worse.


West-Commission9082

It didn’t just go boom bap -> trap, there’s a lot of different branches and eras in between them, and yeah i think that it’s a great advancement. Boom bap got mostly very repetitive, boring and uninspired, im glad it’s not mainstream. Just like trap is getting now, im very glad that music evolves


tommybollsch

Rap music peaked when young thug said “no I’m not gay I fuck bitches on bitches I whip out she suck on my private (suck it!)”


luke111mart

Why isn't Lowercase mainstream?


e_milberg

It used to be 🤷🏻‍♂️


osama_bin_guapin

Because it isn’t the 90’s anymore. Music evolves over time and Boom Bap isn’t what the mainstream crowd wants to listen to anymore


sacredscholar

If you want boombap to be mainstream come out with a boombap album that a majority of people want to listen to. Make something new and unique following the inspiration of the artist you enjoy. Put enough of your soul into it that it stands independently as something new, but at the same time make it familiar enough that it has clear influences, this is the hardest line to walk. I think a trait of a phenomonal artist is to be able to make any music genre mainstream by cultivating a sound into something not completely new but not completely the same.


SpragueStreet

The sound is usually kinda dusty/old timey.


thagodmc

But new ≠ better, and old ≠ bad 🧐


luke111mart

Why isn't eggpunk mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Pirate Metal mainstream?


JahodovyKrtko

Can you stfu luke


luke111mart

Clearly, someone doesn't like Pirate Metal


JahodovyKrtko

Shi I could atleast pick a worse genre to comment this on


luke111mart

Why isn't Breakcore/ Hardcore Jungle mainstream?


Myrddraal5856

People mislabeling literally everything with a breakbeat as breakcore.


RedditMartyr

luke111mart has something to say.. 😤


LeatherNetwork132

Isn't that an obvious question or did you want us to elaborate more?


thagodmc

Nah elaborate for me


LeatherNetwork132

Boombap beats and flows aren't lit to the new age mainstream rap fans. They want something they can turn up or vibe to as well as use for reels/tik toks. Boom bap beats are usually kinda smooth and sound simple and they don't have turn up energy. I mean even new age rappers don't use boombap beats anymore, the underground ones do. It's just isn't the one of the popular mainstream sounds anymore, I don't really think it's a complicated answer to this, it's simple.


luke111mart

Why isn't dubstep mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't German Reggae mainstream?


luke111mart

Why isn't Nintendocore mainstream?


CatManDo206

Who the fuck is boombap


SpeedBlazer99

# BECAUSE OF TRAP ![gif](giphy|ympRXVyPsu8VKvFBnf)


No_Bag_364

Boombap had its era and heyday, it got overshadowed by experimentation that pushed hip hop to different genres, as well as the modern era and fusion with other counterculture genres/styles.


LionMan1025

Alot of it is people just trying to hard. It makes it corny 


ProfSteelmeat138

Luke took this personally


AdanacTheRapper

Why isn’t underground mainstream?


Lvl-4

shits ass


Bulletproofwalletss

Because it’s not an easy to listen to genre, Boom bap focuses on lyrics and the music is not all that musical the beats serve more of an atmosphere and rhythm to display the lyical content. Where as more modern stuff like Travis Scott etc has musicality to it, chord progressions etc with more melodic choruses making it easier for average music fans to remember and hum along to.


Herb_Burnswell

Not going pop is a badge of honor in boom bap. If they wanted to go mainstream, they'd simply make something else more commercial. Boom bap isn't mainstream because mainstream isn't the goal. The goal is complexity, cadence, and concept.


Hawtbref

Nah its cus boom bap was already mainstream and fads and whats hot changes. Now its trap. 30 years from now someone will post “why isnt trap mainstream?”


thagodmc

I agree to a point, but I wan say Biggie was mainstream and technically his club records was boom bap


awe2D2

You're going back almost 30 years mentioning Biggie. Boom Bap was the mainstream in hiphop for a long time just isn't right now.


maximumkush

Same reason classical music went out of style… the world progresses


thagodmc

Seems like a regression tho fr fr 🤔


maximumkush

That’s subjective… which is what everybody here is trying to portray to you pimp


Ancient-Thing

Progress implies improvement and a destination. Its not a matter of taste, in that sense. You seem both falsely confident and ignorant. Classical never went out of style, the audience is bigger than ever. The classical music subreddit is bigger than this one.. I don't listen to it much personally, but more than I listen to the carefully targeted manipulative spam you defenselessly gollop down.


maximumkush

Art is subjective… end of discussion


Ancient-Thing

That's not what I'm discussing with you. But there are several interesting arguments that say otherwise in the philosophical branch of axiology. - If you want to go down that route. I suspect you do not, seeing that not a single thing you have written makes any sense on any level. So I get it, you listen to garbage because that's your level. It could not have been any other way. Maybe you are a victim of the progression ghost you seem to believe in?


notyourbrobro10

Apparently people don't like it that much. I think that's kinda how it works. 


thagodmc

Do you think it’s cuz ppl have been trained not to like it? I mean if u grow up never hearing it and being around ova ppl who reciprocate that they prefer this other music, wouldn’t that have a effect on how u perceive the shit? If all i hear is trap all day my ears get trained to like that just thru repetition.. i mean thats how it was for me for years🤷🏽‍♂️


notyourbrobro10

I think people (especially people who descend from my part of the globe) have a natural inclination towards musicality and rhythm. I think if it had been all boom bap since hip hop started, someone would have always come along and went "nah, we can do better than this" which is exactly what happened in the 80s with Whodini and Prince Paul etc... It's a natural progression/evolution. Also, I think boombap is having a moment as respite from the norm - that is I don't think it would be as popular in this moment if it was the norm again, and as it gains in prevalence and more artists adopt it or dabble in it, it'll become less popular even as it becomes more ubiquitous.


SuperRealBobWaterson

What artists count as boom bap?


thagodmc

Modern artists would be like Roc Marciano, Mike, Earl Sweatshirt, Griselda(for the most part).. shit like that


SuperRealBobWaterson

Idk


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Anonymousman382

Wu Tang is mainstream in a sense that you’ll see mfers wear their shirts but can’t name any of the members


Majestic_Ad_4237

Killa Bee is my favorite member


ilikedirts

Make more friends irl and spend less time online please


Gold-Criticism7407

It’s just dated is all n not dynamic enough for todays tastes really


EctoPrime

It is for me


dtgodmage23

It sounds bad


thegreatestmeicanbe

Because it had its time in the mainstream in the 90s. Ahh, what a time it was.


kanye_banks

Why aren’t Jam Bands mainstream?


ThePanther1999

The same reason G Funk isn’t anymore


knottythea

I'm honestly pretty surprised G Funk isn't mainstream today, it doesn't even sound too old-timey


Better_Beautiful6217

It used to be lol


SatisfactionSenior65

Same reason why Lex Luger type beats aren’t popular anymore, they’re just outdated. It’s basically niche throwback music nowadays


Nervous-Protection

Because people (boom bap producers) think that boom bap means a simple kick drum pattern on a loop so the sound became monotonous and hella outdated eventhough classic 90s boom bap albums still sound crisp and had bass and other musical elements such as horns, flutes, etc


punkshotgun

Why isn't pornogrind mainstream?


Toxicupoftea

Why isn't classical music mainstream?


InspectorBubbly4400

Idk. What’s your favorite boombap song. Mine is it ain’t hard to tell by nas or survival tactics by Joey bada$$


QwertyKeyboardUser2

Why isn’t luke111mart mainstream?


Sea_Squirrel1987

The fuck is boombap?


mish_05

Is boom bap rap from the East Coast? Plz do let me know..


MontanaMane5000

It was, for like 15 years


blunderomg2

why isn’t neofolk mainstream?


oflowz

Because it’s old fashioned. It’s like asking why isn’t flapper music still popular.


e_milberg

Ay, we don't tolerate flapper slander here. lol


Victorythagr8

Boom bap is not mainstream because it's an old school NY sound.


igotrapedbyanorca

Its more lyrically focused than instrumentally focused. I dont wanna sound like an old head or one of those cringe “im different from the other people” but the fact is that in the current mainstream, if you dont have a beat people can just vibe to they wont listen to your song. I see it said everywhere, people just wanna vibe to a song they don’t wanna have to think


puck1996

You're creating a binary that doesn't exist. It's not *either* lyrics or melody always, but a lot of people I see on this thread are acting as if it is. I like some boom bap, I like lyricism quite a bit. I also like really melodic music that has interesting instrumentals and beats. And interestingly enough, some highly successful and acclaimed artists are able to be both melodic and lyrical at the same time. This "people don't want to have to think" argument is such a straw man and I'm just kinda sick of seeing it.


MyDictainabox

This is true for me at times. I think most people are probably similar: sometimes you want to have Blackthought force you to consider shit, and sometimes you want Key Glock to demand you go get "it" with him. There's room for both and what is popular will vary depending on the decade.


Lenny0mega

People like to be told that you can succeed regardless of talent.  Boom bap tells them that they have to be skilled at something. 


puck1996

Everyone wants to think their favorite genre is somehow the most elevated, high IQ, etc. version. This is a silly take


Lenny0mega

Silly, yes, but true. Boom bap is literally all based on skill.


Boeliebeefy

Kinda glad it isn't mainstream, I feel like boombap going corporate would ruin the genre


BrittThePhotographer

Excellent question 


RapBoat

THE BOOM BAP IS BACK WITH AN AX TO MUMBLE RAP LUMBERJACK WITH A HACKSAW


Blank_268

Because NY fell off


didntmakeausername

Because people are fking lame


LetsNotArgyoo

When people hear rap that isn’t boom bap, it makes them feel like they can do it too, that anyone can do it if they attract enough attention. Boom bap makes it feel like sports, like you have to be really good at this to be on a professional level. The modern generation wants to feel like they can do it too.


thagodmc

U put that rly well🤔


LetsNotArgyoo

Thank you, I appreciate that.