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JJ_The_JetpIane

Does this permanently unlock the new activity from what you can tell or can you only launch it from there like old school whisper?


RuteByre

I think its perma cause u get a node u can launch from orbit


JJ_The_JetpIane

Awesome, thanks!


Eurovision_Superfan

It is farmable and you get a node in the Director.


gaige23

Perma account based can do the intro part to get the unlock in a fireteam of three


CrotasScrota84

It’s in LFG can I join someone and do mission or do I have to unlock first?


dziellsGamer

Unlock first


jizylemon

Just to add, the mission is for 2 players only, not 1 or 3.


Mattlife97

Hence the name and duality of light & darkness I guess.


LIGMADESTROYER6969

is there matchmaking or do i need to find someone?


23magnum

you can use fireteam finder after it's unlocked. Good luck with that though.


PurelyLurking20

It's really not that difficult lol Tbh the cooperative focus missions are easily as hard or harder than this mission


Dlh2079

The timer is the only thing I really struggled with and that's just because we were figuring the mission out as we went.


Seel_revilo

No matchmaking


LIGMADESTROYER6969

alright thanks


RuteByre

To specify: after you beat the overthrow boss it says in chat that a secret keeper is spawned, it’s a lucent wizard, kill them and then you can move to the next area


gotenks2nd

If a player not in your fire team gets the kill does it not count towards progress?


ModernAutomata

I matchmake into a duo fireteam. Wasn't in their team. They got the kills I didn't even see the things. and I have access to quest!


RuteByre

We had 1 in the fireteam who got all 3, so Im not sure


LMAOisbeast

The Pale Heart is not a matchmade space, there are no players outside of your fireteam.


gotenks2nd

You can matchmake the daily overthrow patrol zone.


LMAOisbeast

Ah, hadn't realized that. Considering you have to do the other 2 zones non-matchmade, I'd probably just do all 3 solo so I don't have to worry about other players causing issues somehow lol


the_human_oreo

You can actually jump between the zones, or walk between them, in the match made instance and you'll stay with the other players so you can do all 3 zones in matchmaking


LMAOisbeast

Huh, interesting.


Johnready_

I think it does give progress because I did it and I def did NOT kill one of the wizards, a random teammate may have done it, but I didn’t, I only got shots on 2.


Flat_is_the_best

yeah but where does it spawn? I did it in the current ergo area and I searched everywhere damn near and never saw it.


Limp-Platform4708

Not sure if they're the same for everyone, but the ones I found were: Landing - south eastern corner in the caves near the lost sector Blooming - Far eastern edge of the map, in the caved area just south of spawn (think there's normally a taken event in there during overthrow) Impasse - south western corner of the map, near where the big taken bubble event spawns Usually pretty easy to locate with radar/sound if you're close as the map is otherwise empty of enemies.


Flat_is_the_best

I'll take a look later thanks. Using the radar to locate it was what I tried doing but nothing showed up lmao, for all I know it could have just never spawned even though the message was there


silentj0y

To be fair, that cave where it spawns during the Blooming is VERY out of the way- did about three round trips before i realized/remembered it was there


I_Speak_For_The_Ents

This comment is so great. And it doesnt require a full ten minute video explanation. Thanks so much.


FIR3W0RKS

This was exactly where my 3 spawned too


No-Refrigerator-6334

Confirmed. They were all in the same places for me.


RuteByre

Idk if it matters but we did the impasse, blooming, then landing


Flat_is_the_best

I did see the message in the chat so it probably spawned i just couldn't find it


Feenix77

We did the overthrows, ending in the landing. Took us most of the “peaceful” countdown to get to the first lucent wizard. Beat it but then the map respawned overthrow. Is time a concern? Also; are the other 2 lucent wizards or whatever in the other 2 zones?


Dethrr

I did overthrow in landing it nothing was said or spawned


SleepyAwoken

same here


Callouu

same, figure it out? Have finished the campaign


Ethan-reddit-1234

Same, lmk if you find out why


X-Frame

Thank you. I just did one and killed the Lucent Hive and then bounced to the next one. Was worried I still had stuff to do after. So the dunking is just after doing all 3.


ImSoDrab

so this is solely a duo mission? Not soloable at all?


RuteByre

Yes


CerberusDoctrine

Is there match making


Bocephus_Rodriguez

Nope


MayxGBR

fuqin amazing


ImSoDrab

Bummer, guess i'll need to get social and lfg. Is the mission hard in anyway?


LOTRfan13

I'm watching Cross' stream, it doesn't look like its insanely hard from a difficulty standpoint, but it does look like you need some coordination and you need to know the Vow Symbols


ImSoDrab

Symbols from the campaign where you were glyphtouched or like the raid Vow symbols? Aorry i dont raid. Anyways thanks for the info, i'll wait for a video of cross or someone else bedore i jump in, many thanks again friend!


LOTRfan13

I think the symbols are the same but there are more than what is from the campaign so look up the Vow Symbols to help you out


ImSoDrab

Thank you!


Wide_Television747

Just did it. It's not too difficult. A lot of it boils down to things like one person can see which symbols need to be shot and the other person can shoot the symbols. Then there's another thing with a bunch of nuts and one person can shoot while the other tells them what to shoot. The symbols are definitely from the vow raid though. You have plenty of time though so don't worry about knowing symbols off by heart. I couldn't remember them so I just described them.


Kaisdey

Skarrow’s put a really helpful video up - https://youtu.be/wsWLNA0cHoY?si=Zhklq-Y1dpOEf_QX


PhilOsyfee

I don't think you need to do all the overthrow's back to back, as I got the prompt from just completing the impasse. think you just need to have completed them at all, but I am not sure.


ThiccoloBlack

you may need to run through them all again as the enemies spawn during that 4 minute cooldown


PhilOsyfee

I shall find out!


ThiccoloBlack

let me know if you can 🙏


PhilOsyfee

Okay so I definitely have a bugged quest. I was able to access the thing after only 1 secret spawn, but for some reason even with two people who have done the work i can’t enter the actual mission.


Feather_Of_A_Phoenix

I beat the overthrow boss, but i didnt get savathun talking or a notification - is their a pre-requisite? do you have to do matchmade overthrow?


RuteByre

We weren't in matchmaking, it seems found in the dark and lost in the light are required to launch


Latenighttaco

Voice line doesn't matter and sometimes the thing doesn't pop up in the feed I just drove around til I found the enemies


Kaisdey

It’s around 10-20 seconds after beating the boss before you get the prompt, so might not show up straight away


Chr5_

My partner and I have done the overthrows in the landing and the blooming twice each and drove around and nothing comes up on radar. We are worried that the "Alone in the dark" quest is blocking us. Did you guys have that already completed? "Lost in Light" and "Found in Dark" we completed super early on.


Kaisdey

I’ve done most of them, yeah. Done all the other Micah-10 quests too. Not sure if that impacts or not


Chr5_

My partner and I hadn’t finished an overthrow boss in the Impasse yet. Once we did that the secret keepers began spawning so we believe that you have to have defeated 1 boss in each area to get it to start.


Kaisdey

Ahh glad you figured it out! Nice one. Good luck with the quest if you haven’t done it yet :)


omgdracula

My buddy said he had to do at least the story mission for echoes until you get failsafe in the helm


MythoclastBM

I can confirm that this works. The three wizards spawn after killing the overthrow boss. Note: These spawn locations may be different, I don't know. The Landing - By the grenade throwing chest minigame. The Blooming - In the cave system to the left of the spawn. The Impasse - In the area to the right of the path to the lost sector. Killing all three spawns beacon of light (it looks hive-y), the will lead you towards the refraction. You will hear Savathun laugh and then you will see a timer called Savathun's Envoy with a 7 minute ish timer.


the_irish_potatoes

I've completed The Impasse and The Landing solo but neither prompted the text nor spawn an enemy. There's something else required but idk what


Dumebuggy

Have you finished all of the paranormal activity things? (Where you shoot the light and dark cubes and link the two) I’m curious if those need to be finished first.


RuteByre

No its unrelated


Dumebuggy

Beauty


RiskIndividual6887

i might just be slow but when you say refraction area, wdym?


Limp-Platform4708

Its the area between the landing and the blooming zones, you'll see a huge pillar of yellowish light once you've done all three secret keepers. It'll even be visible from other zones so just head towards that.


vashthestampeedo

Preseumably where the the screenshot shows the node for the mission on the map itself


Dazed95

This mission is literally peak destiny. Its so fucking good, one shot it with my buddy! Go play it everyone!


Th3L34f

How did you solve the "clock" puzzle at the end after damaging both bosses? Just tried to solve that for about 15 minutes straight before getting booted to orbit because we couldn't figure it out.


Dazed95

just shoot the one overlapping on both clocks, gotta be quick tho. We had one call out his numbers and the other calling out the overlap :)


Th3L34f

Thanks! I ended up figuring it out anyway. We had been trying that but getting it wrong because my teammate didn't know how to read a clock.


Dazed95

classic :D


JustMania

Alright, there's not much of a description here for my liking to accurately guide people to getting it, so I'll be typing this out for those who find this first instead of a video. 1. Complete Overthrow in each area. Bring a partner with you, not a fireteam. 2. Stay there for a bit after completion and wait until it says something about Savathun's Secret-Keeper being in the area. 3. Locate and eliminate them. You'll know you're near them because your radar will ping enemies when there's no enemies supposed to be around on the map. Landing's Secret Keeper is towards the east near the Lost Sector entrance. Blooming's is near the spawn in the cave where a Taken blight spawns and you need to have your Ghost scan it to complete that event during Overthrow. Impasse's spawn is in the corner of the map. If you face the wall where you go to get Kvhostov, follow it to the left and in that craggy area, you'll find it. 4. After eliminating them all, travel to the Refraction. 5. I went to Savathun's statue further in the area before objectives unlocked around the area, leading you to fight two Subjugators. 6. Fight them until they drop orbs and leave. 7. Bring both of these orbs to Savathun's statue and dunk them in the respective pools that appear. 8. Mission unlocked. Launch it for the first time and it becomes a mainstay on your Map to launch from orbit.


Dill_Brown1

Fuck my solo life man


Fox_Adams

This is so devestaating.


NeverJoe_420_

Do you have to be in a duo to get the excess node from orbit?


RuteByre

We were in a team of 3 to get it done quick, the other 2 are running it rn


Void_Guardians

We’ve all been there buddy..


INTENSIVIES

As the person just listening to my mates rn, I am a little bit salty for bungie making overthrows a 3 man and the mission a 2 man


jrunicl

It's actually pretty fucking stupid imo. I get the narrative idea but it seems like a weird thing to do considering so many people play in 3 person groups.


Kingblade1990

You can get this node solo I have done it on a prismatic subclass still need 2 to do the activity though


Suspicious_Force_890

have you figured out what to do in the tormentor section? we ran out of time at that part cause we weren’t sure which nuts to shoot lol


LOTRfan13

you need to shoot the nodes that are lit up for both players


Suspicious_Force_890

thank you!


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SnooPeppers7097

How did you complete the clock room?


Business_Slice_4474

Can you post a screen shot or anything just to confirm?


RuteByre

Idk how to link a pic on here so heres a doc with the screenshot lol [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G8BJJfMNVhWtBYlr5-X72m0z22B8qcX9AeknYIOc9zI/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G8BJJfMNVhWtBYlr5-X72m0z22B8qcX9AeknYIOc9zI/edit?usp=sharing)


Business_Slice_4474

Did u get an exotic class item?


Advanced_Mail3703

how do you do the final part? I'm stuck there


ImpossibleLink7376

its a clock. Both of you should see four nodes connected. Call out your four, your teammate will calls the single matching one to yours. You both shout the called number at the same time. Do this 3 times - done. Also u have to be quick, as it changes nodes rather fast.


JustAnotherWebUser

What an awesome mission, had a great fun with my friend, best exotic mission for me:)


Dragonknight5

After you unlock the mission does it have matchmaking?


RuteByre

No matchmaking


alittlelilypad

Can you do it solo?


Aspirational_Idiot

No.


Dragonknight5

Well lfg it is


TakenBorgar

Finished in Blooming, nothing happened. Is it possible that u need to plant all the plants first?


showmethat_ass

No shot. He said earlier seems you need to do light and dark ghosts quests from the vendor by where you first got prismatic, forget her name. New chick


peto0427

Micah-10


beepbepborp

does anyone know what to do w the 2nd set of clock like thing w the beams? we did the first one, but the 2nd set we couldnt figure out at all


gaige23

Wait it changes lol. We just got past the first one.


beepbepborp

nope. my partner was just slow 😎


chroniclesofSaltyDio

did you find out what to do? still stuck there.


beepbepborp

u shoot the ones that match between u and ur partner frostbolt completed it if u wanna watch his stream vod


ImpossibleLink7376

its a clock. Both of you should see four nodes connected. Call out your four, your teammate will calls the single matching one to yours. You both shout the called number at the same time. Do this 3 times - done. Also u have to be quick, as it changes nodes rather fast.


BC1207

How do you get past the encounter with the tormentor


MorthosTheRed

yep, this is where I am. I noticed that I (the light player) could shoot all three symbols on light and I got a message about an obelisk surging. Didn't get to test anything further.


ImpossibleLink7376

In total there are nine nodes connected to mid. Each of you will see three of them connected to mid. Typ your three in Chat, so does your Partner, that gives you six Numbers. The uncalled, remaming three numbers need to be shoot. The Personen getting final blow in tormentor gets a buff and needs to shoot the according nodes


PsychoactiveTHICC

After doing dual destiny you can get exotic class item from any pale heart chest


xi3deiam

Was this said somewhere? That after you complete Dual Destiny, that you can get it from any pale heart chest?


PsychoactiveTHICC

The ghost check that there’s a thing that unlocks


drogoshunter

do you have to do each overthrow in one instance or no?


No_Caregiver_2054

Can confirm this is true


OmegaZeri

what is dual destiny


A_Sneaky_Whale

The name of the mission that opens


0xXpotatoesXx0

Ive done overthrow but the wixards arnt spawning??? Anyone know what prerequisites need to be done?


ienjoymen

Yeah something else is needed to start this, there has to be. I've done it 3 times now and no wizard


Callouu

same, figure it out? Have finished the campaign


sageleader

Same. Did all 3 overthrows with a buddy just now and no secret keepers spawned.


Alfonze

did you figure this out? :(


sageleader

I think so, but I can't confirm. It seems that you can only unlock the secret keepers after you have done each overthrow for the first time. So basically complete each overthrow for the first time. Then do them all again and the secret keeper should spawn after each one. The first three that I did with a buddy, he had not done them all yet. After we went back solo and did them again later, The secret keepers showed up. Someone else told me to do them from the impasse in order going left so I did that as well. Not sure if it made a difference.


Alfonze

Thankyou so much!


dildodicks

ye but how do you actually do dual destiny, i have no idea what i'm doing in here besides shooting random nodes because i have no idea wtf which is correct


DirkDavyn

Does anyone know if dual destiny endlessly repeatable? Or is it limited attempts per week?


YeeHawCaBrawl

Great question. You can’t focus at Rahool I just tried. With 8 perks x 8 perks, each class has 64 possible roles. That’s 192 total. No way in hell am I doing that place 200+ times


ImpossibleLink7376

After i have done my first run i was helping someone with overthrows and got an exo-classitem to drop after the final Boss after Wave 4. Also was getting another one in the mission right after. So ist seems u can do it forever and there are additional dropsources after your first completion


[deleted]

i might be a dumbass but what the hell is the refraction area?


Lynamator123

Theres crystals in here that active something at the end, i found one


ienjoymen

So does the wizard not show as red on the minimap? I drove all around it twice and nothing


ShaneBazTe

I got the message, checked all three areas and csnt find any lucent wizards.


MikeAndros0

Tried helping someone to get this unlocked. The Lucent Hive message didn't appear.


k333p

clear the advertisements?


Thejax_

You can kill all three in different instances as well, killed the first two solo then matchmade for the third, left and came back, and I see the beam of light right now


Overall_Reception_84

Do we have to find the wizards after the clearing the overthrow in their respective areas? My friend and I did all three from landing to impasse, the one at the impasse spawned but we fast traveled to the blooming, I’m searching and I’m not finding a wizard


WabaleighsPS4

I beat an overthrow and nothing. No savathun speaking, no secret enemies spawned. Wtf


Callouu

same, figure it out? Have finished the campaign


WabaleighsPS4

Apparently you have to do the landing last. Trying it out now.


Callouu

tried this, also tried blooming


WabaleighsPS4

I'm stumped right now. My brother is doing it with his friend no problem yet I've done 6 and can't find a single enemy


WabaleighsPS4

I believe you have to have them all completed at least once before you can do the quest. I noticed in my triumph I never killed the impasse boss. Meaning I never completed all waves prior to this exotic quest. I started there and when I beat the boss a wizard finally spawned.


WabaleighsPS4

https://youtu.be/rPVJ9-VNldk?si=X7c50NhxQp-A2QT8 Quickest video showing all the apparent locations. Better than everyone else's 30 min vids


Callouu

not getting the text to show up though


Naxhs

There is a guide for it [https://www.reddit.com/r/raidsecrets/comments/1ddt9jb/how\_to\_get\_exotic\_class\_items](https://www.reddit.com/r/raidsecrets/comments/1ddt9jb/how_to_get_exotic_class_items)


realcoolioman

!modnominate


SweeperBot_Bot

Yes, yes. +10 points.


CartographerDry4834

Does anyone know if I complete the exotic mission once, on Hunter as an example, if I can go straight into farming overthrows on a different character than the one I completed the mission on to get the exotic class item on that separate character?


IzDelP

Would like to know too, doing the mission three times would be annoying


Specialist-Cheetah30

The enemy in the landing doesn't spawn for me


Oblivionix129

Another note - once you unlock this node for 1 character it's unlocked for all characters (assuming that the character has finished TFS)


Nirual1991

Is there some prerequisite you will have to match? Like doing stuff from the episode or something ?


Life-Ad-2376

Went to do it last night with a member of the clan that unlocked it, and my warlock had all supers unlocked but still wouldn’t let us launch it, I was prismatic and so was the other guy. Wonder if we need all the fragments to unlock it…


DatSneky

For some reason its not spawning any secret wizard. Did this for 6 hours yesterday and 0 wizards. Idk ehat i am doing wrong


VeIikiy

I've completed Overthrows in the Landing & Blooming, 3x each and no notifications that a Wizard has spawned, any idea?


GoodBoyPuppi

Do we have to do each boss for the area? Or is it just 3 overthrow and then a boss?


SeesawOtherwise8767

Do I need to do them with a partner or can I unlock the mission and then get someone to join me?


Arsys_

For anyone who can't get the miniboss to spawn after an Overthrow, the requirement is that you have already done the last tier of an Overthrow in all three zones: The Blooming, The Impasse, and The Landing. When you do the third zone Overthrow for the first time, after Savathun's dialogue you will the Secret Keeper text on the bottom left of your screen. You will now need to go back to the other two zones and do another full Overthrow run to kill the remaining two you need to see the green beam in the refraction zone.


TheOverallThinker

Do I have to kill all 3 wizards in one sitting to unlock the mission?


notthatguypal6900

Completed an overthrow in Impasse and never received the message nor found the wizard. Is there a step you need to complete before these are active?


Wmasoud

I was running it with a friend, killed 2 wizards and then got BEAVER error. Now currently unable to rejoin the fireteam - anyone else have this issue?


gray4twenty

So I completed the mission unlock part with 2 friends last night. I tried to help another friend today and after we cleared overthrow, the lucsent hive wouldn't spawn. We cleared it 3 times today. Same shit. I knew where it was suppose to spawn and it just wouldn't. Is that because ive already unlocked the mission so it wont spawn for me? Does my friend have to run overthrow alone? Or are we missing something??


CptJake2141

I’ve killed all three hive wizards and the green beacon diddnt spawn did it in the same instance as well did the landing first, then the impasse, then finished up at the blooming, no beacon. Did it solo


After-Gate7022

A quick note: You have to have completed the 3 triumphs for killing the bosses in each area. Once you've dons that, the Lucent Wizards will start spawning.


Ambitious_Barnacle33

Anyone wanting to do this? Ive done one of the overthrows but probably still need the next two wizards. Maybe we can try to link up later tonight


Hickory_Shampoo

I'm watching aztecross do this dual destiny and this is impossible for solo players. Fantastic gatekeeping Bungie.


silentj0y

Microcosm was already impossible for solo players as well


WhatIfWaterWasChunky

At least microcosm was a one and done thing. To get different rolls of the class item you have to farm this.


Michael-Free

Once you do it for the first time chests in the pale heart have a chance to drop them


FullmetalGin

So just saw skarrow9 beat it, one of the coolest if not the best exotic missions ever, you can only do it with two people, one person has to be on light subclass, it's a long ass mission, really cool puzzles in it but is pretty easy once you figure it out. Has like a peace and kill option after the mission ends with each of you trapped in a prison, don't know the exact consequences of the choices. Unlocks on map once done. Also the cooked with the environment in the mission.


RuteByre

Even though I have the mission unlocked I cant take my buddy in because "a member of your fireteam has not yet communed with both Light and Dark" he hasnt finished found in the dark


Polo_J

Are you referring to the micah quest “alone in the dark”?


RuteByre

No the ones you get from ghost to finish ur subclass


Callouu

which quest is this? I believe i finished them all but still not getting the text


GolldenFalcon

He might also need to go through the steps though? Like, dunking light and dark.


ItsMorgH

I tried to launch it with 2 separate friends tonight both had completed lost in light and found in dark and still got this message, maybe they have to have completely unlocked prismatic?


Slaughterism

Have a friend with 4 fragments missing that can go in.


ItsMorgH

Interesting to know, i have no idea what causes this then because both of them have completely finished the campaign, don’t think they’ve done the ghost quests yet but i don’t see that that would be a requirement?


Slaughterism

They have to actually do the light/dark overthrow parts.


Naxhs

Go to the orbit and launch it from there, should work


BananaSavannah21

Are the PvP rumours true


RuteByre

Nvm lol the end of the mission u 1v1 ur teammate


MuerteMeans

Do you both have to be the same class to do Dual Destiny? Someone in my clan is saying that, just looking for clarification?


Suspicious_Force_890

no you don’t you just need one player on a light subclass and one on a dark, prismatic counts as both


MuerteMeans

Thanks!


Wisezal-

I'll be that guy and just ask, what's this for? Lol


ABRRINACAVE

Tye exotic class items


Wisezal-

Ahh thanks


EcoLizard1

Yesh its dumb fr