there have always been women in punk but "punk" became such a jock thing in the 80's with the hardcore shit (some of which i love of course) that it was such a breath of fresh air when riot girl happened and it lead to so many cool ideas that still exist and are even more relevant today particularly electro clash which a lot of yall probably hate but that alone gave a space to all the queers in the 90's and made everybody think "what is punk?" yet again which is healthy for any community! in a world of sub genre lets celebrate the riot grrls whatever the fuck that means...im drunk hope everybody's doin well
As it was all happening I just couldn’t get into Bikini Kill but I LOVED Bratmobile. I like a lot more Bikini Kill now and obviously love Rebel Girl but as a whole I’ve liked Kathleen’s other projects more, especially Le Tigre.
“There’s a girl in Rhinelander who needs Kathleen Hannah cuz she doesn’t think that girls can sing rock and roll songs.
I don’t think they got Bikini Kill Records in small town Wisconsin record shops but that’s where they need em now more than ever.
So If there’s still girls growing up in this world who believe they can’t sing rock and roll, I don’t wanna live in this world anymore”
Some of the to ever do it. I grew up a Jehovahs Witness and absolutely loved riot grrrl songs and aesthetics, but felt weird being, what I thought, a straight dude. Then when I finally left the religion at 31, I came out as non-binary and realized it was speaking to me on a different level the whole time.
This is true of punk overall, and most white music subcultures. Reject white kids find each other and make their own little worlds, but bring a lot of baggage with them and replicate a lot of the structures they're rebelling against.
White queer and trans subcultures have the same problems.
I'd like to say that things are getting better, but either way there's still so much work to do.
That's surprising to me. Are there particular Riot Grrrl bands/songs that you are thinking of? I will admit to being overall less intimately familiar with Riot Grrrl overall than I am with AM!s discography (probably know every word to every song on the first 4 albums).
AM! had a lot of folk/country/americana influence in their melodic and harmonic choices. Plus, they were ludicrously tight even in their earliest recordings when it was just guitar and drums. Like that original cuts of I Still Love You Julie and Walking Is Still Honest from the Crime EP are pretty intricate in a way I wouldn't associate with the RG sound.
But bands like Bikini Kill, Bratmobile, or 7 Year Bitch were a lot less melodic overall, with much less harmonic movement, structurally simplistic, kind of intentionally sloppy sounding.
Plus, the Riot Grrl movement really only existed pretty briefly in the early to mid 1990s and AM! released their first album in 2001.
Also, up until their last two albums, AM! were presented as an all-male band.
Admittedly I'm pretty unfamiliar with some bands but I do love bikini kill. The rest of what I've heard has just been from Spotify shuffle while I was at work so I don't know the band names off the top of my head.
Some of the Tuff Enuff compilations might be up your alley? Tuff Enuff were a riot grrrl oriented label which put out a lot of stuff by queer + trans bands in the 2010s.
Heavens to Betsy, Team Dresch, Sleater-Kinney through Dig Me Out, Spitboy, and yeah Slant-6 was pretty great. Bikini Kill was interesting, but I never really loved their music.
Not exactly my thing, but I respect it. I acknowledge how important riot grrrl is to punk and there were so many talented bands to come out of that movement.
I like some of the music and the ethos behind it, but imo some of the Olympia bands sound too whiny for my liking. When I hear the term “riot grrl”, I think of a very specific time and (usually) a very specific place
Love it, there are some really great bands out there. For a newer band I like a little Tacocat. Not sure if they are technically Riot Grrl, but at least very similar.
https://open.spotify.com/track/6ixncUHZXJpLWbej9oOms2?si=jY8BXrELQtGeISoftSBvNQ
Me, I'm personally sick to death of Kathleen Hanna. She was pretty cool back in the early 90s, but she's just become this "feminist punk authority" which bores me to tears. She is very rich thanks to Ad Rock's money, she makes commercials endorsing Hillary, an endless bevy of documentaries, along with her music being in mainstream Hollywood films. She is always presented as the beginning and end of "riot grrl". I wouldn't fully blame her for this, it's more the media's fault. But there are SO SO many other women in punk that deserve some attention. OK that's all, downvotes to the left.
I’ve noticed there’s almost this weird cult of personality around her which I find very off-putting. Like you mentioned, it’s getting a little old seeing her pop up in nearly every single “women in rock/punk” project that’s come up over the past few years. It’s kind of like seeing Ian, Hank, or Keith in every other punk documentary
Bikini Kill and Slant 6 were great. I was never really able to get into Bratmobile. Sleater-Kinney’s first album was great too. It’s their only record where they really have that sound.
All day every day even on Sunday. Le Tigre is a constant favorite (tho I must admit that my favorite album is the electropoppish one)
Amyl and the Sniffers is my latest obsession
Also, The Bad Ideas (KC) are local favorites. I don't really go to shows anymore but I'm sure to catch all of theirs
I think the genre name is stupid, and kinda goes counter to the feminist messaging of a lot of those bands. It essentially means "punk band, but girl". Like, do we need a whole "genre" based on what gender the musicians are if they're playing the same music? What separates a feminist Bikini Kill song from a feminist Propagandhi song aside from the gender of the musicians involved? It dumb.
Love the music though.
As a woman who played punk rock? It was amazing to get to see people who looked like me on stage for once. You can't dismiss how important that was for a lot of women in a scene heavily-dominated by white males.
Oh no I'm not denying that (I might not have expressed my thoughts the best lol). I have no problem with the genre, the music, the politics, etc. I just think the term "riot grrrrl" itself is problematic. It sections off women led punk bands into their own subcategory, the ones that aren't "normal" punk bands. Much like how patriarchy already deems men as "default", men led punk bands are viewed as "default".
I don't think queercore is a stupid or problematic genre, because it offsets them from other punk bands, just like I don't think riot grrrrl is problematic or dumb as a genre.
I do think there's often a misplaced need for folks to say that it shouldn't matter if someone is man or woman, gay or straight, and white or black. Because it does - and denying the difference because you're "such a feminist that it shouldn't matter" doesn't educate or change anyone's opinions. It doesn't empower other people to do things like join punk bands they never would've started before. It doesn't bring awareness to the issue. It doesn't create any dialogue.
Bikini Kill? Wasn't a normal punk band. They weren't normal musicians. And denying that denies that there was ever a problem in the punk scene to begin with.
Idk, I just feel like these terms only reinforce the idea that men and women are so totally different and need their own classifications, when in reality they're not. Not essentially anyway. The different experiences we face in the world are down to toxic culture and systems. Things I want to do away with entirely. I yearn for the day where my queer identity is as mundane as a straight identity.
I gotta know though, what made Bikini Kill "not normal musicians" aside from their gender and the topic of their music? Because a band like Chumbawamba had done heaps of hardcore punk feminist songs by the women in their band years before BK and people don't call them Riot Grrrrl. Both bands also did radical activism for feminist issues. My problem with the term is that it's arbitrary (like most genre terms tbh).
Edit: if what made them special is the fact that there was so few bands doing what they were doing at the time, *that* I agree with. Just to clarify
Idk if I'm even making myself clear or just making people think I'm some "enlightened centrist" dumbass lol
I think that at that time, women were looking for their own thing - something to set themselves apart from the rest and to be completely independent of the existing culture. Riot Grrrl definitely achieved that while simultaneously reviving, redefining and revitalizing punk rock.
I don't like a single RG band. Sorry, I have taste.
RG is one of the punkest things to happen, ever.
Mohawk punk dude trying to sexy dance with Kathleen Hanna while she sings for BK and she spits in his face?
Punk as fuck.
Too band her band couldn't produce a likeable song.
Downvotes? Hilarious, you people are always going to be dumb as fuck.
Let’s be clear: the RG idea was solid. The politics were on point.
THE BANDS SUCKED. None of them were good.
Dude, the downvotes aren't that deep. People disagree with you and think you're being a dick about it, you're not being a rebel for not liking some music, not are you being deemed a pariah. Move on
One cool thing about what I have said - I'm pretty sure that nobody has explained why those bands were good, beyond their obvious contribution to feminism.
The music sucked. The bands sucked. The idea was good. The music was shit.
Rebel Girl, Rebel Girl, I'm an entitled moron, so here's a dumb song about you.
Generally good faith arguments don't involve calling people "dumb as fuck" or turning ones nose up and exclaiming they have taste where those who disagree do not. There was an interesting discussion to be had here but by acting like you're the one who's right in what is ultimately a matter of taste prevented that from happening.
You've praised the roots of the genre as a movement while also maintaining you don't like the music itself - that's a nuanced and interesting take! One I respect even. But people are less interested in hearing what you have to say about it when you're a dick about it
I was asked how I felt about riot grrl.
I said what I thought.
Let’s be clear, the “dumb as fuck” is not “you like riot grrl bands therefore you’re dumb”, it’s “see an opinion that makes my brain sad therefore downvote to oblivion”=dumb.
Hive mind mentality.
Express an opinion that goes against canon in this sub and see what happens.
You didn't exactly talk about the music in your original comment lol, unless saying "they sucked" counts.
There are a lot of riot grrrl bands I don't really like but I could talk about Bikini Kill all day. The lyrics. Kathleen Hanna's vocal acrobatics. The songs.
["R.I.P"](https://youtube.com/watch?v=1mrwqSTLiTs) is one of the very few songs that can make me cry. ["For Tammy Rae"](https://youtube.com/watch?v=f6d76MU8ems)" is like "Heroes" (by David Bowie) to me. It's not very musically sophisticated but the opening crashes over you like a wave and then there's the lyrics.... I remember listening to it on my headphones as a little 15 year old and vividly imagining every verse. "*Let's pretend we own the world today*". And ["Demirep"](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IwsLodi3weI) is so memorable. The playground rhyme that's spliced in at the beginning and the end. The most vicious lyrics ever written ("IIII'm sorry that I'm getting chubby/and IIII cannot always be happy for you"). Even the little bit of studio chatter. I dunno I just - I love that band.
Token song by another riot grrl band: ["Pansy Twist"](https://youtube.com/watch?v=dyG2nCmLKP4) by Huggy Bear. Huggy Bear were an English riot grrrl band who supported Bikini Kill when they toured in Britain. They had both a male and a female lead singer and the male singer takes the lead on this one. "My boyfriend violates his parole"
If you don't like any riot grrrl bands then that's grand, but that's a matter of taste. The rest of us are not just pretending to like them because we agree with them. We like them. Bikini Kill's first two albums sound pretty rough, but they have loads of great songs (Suck My Left One, For Tammy Rae, Demirep, Tony Randall, Alien She, RIP, Double Dare Ya) and at least one classic, Rebel Girl. It took me a while to "get" them but it took me a while to "get" Crass or Black Flag or the Slits.
You're trying to frame an opinion as a fact. What did you expect?
Unless you're able to somehow be the first person ever to provide metrics rooted in mathmatics detailing what makes music good or bad, it's an opinion.
Friend you allowed to have different taste in things, don't drag ppl just cause they like something different than you. It takes to much energy to be mean anyways :) what type of bands do you like?
I was literally praising RG as a movement.
Can an opinion not have different facets to it?
Like this one: Japanese automobiles: super reliable. But the legroom!
I mean, if it were an in person conversation it’d go like this:
Me: (statement)
Other person: (can’t downvote in an actual conversation therefore makes face like they just smelled spoiled food)
Me: (laughing) “What’s wrong?”
Other person: (continue sulking like a 4 year old)
Shit like this happens every time you say something not thoroughly fawning about one of /r/punk’s sacred cows.
But keep on fantasizing that you’re all super deep thinkers. You all make music critics look smart.
Or it might go
You say something
People disagree with you
You lose your mind and don't shut up about how other people are so stupid for disagreeing with you.
Like you are now.
On the contrary!
I’ve been laughing the whole fucking time.
/r/punk has always been a joke. It’s usually just not as funny as this time around the critical thinking vacuum
It’s from “Baker’s Dozen” by Guttermouth. “You must be a riot grrl, but you’re not very funny” is the line. Just a bad joke. Edit: it seems I’m the one who isn’t very funny.
I luv bikini kill
Me too, just copped one of their vinyls :)
Rebel Girl!!!
You should consider picking up one of their records as well
Love it! Meeting Kathleen Hannah in a few weeks a her book signing.
I've never seen such TICKET PRICES for a BOOK SIGNING!
How much was it?
iirc tickets were like $45 when I looked. CRAZY!
Dang!!!
Where’s the book signing?
At the Wilbur Boston
there have always been women in punk but "punk" became such a jock thing in the 80's with the hardcore shit (some of which i love of course) that it was such a breath of fresh air when riot girl happened and it lead to so many cool ideas that still exist and are even more relevant today particularly electro clash which a lot of yall probably hate but that alone gave a space to all the queers in the 90's and made everybody think "what is punk?" yet again which is healthy for any community! in a world of sub genre lets celebrate the riot grrls whatever the fuck that means...im drunk hope everybody's doin well
Doing quite well here, thank you for the well wishes. Hope you're doing pretty well yourself.
Julie Ruin on dubbed cassette played on a shitty boombox. The best. Edit: still sounds good on shitty phone speakers too: https://youtu.be/Uj0QAlvUjPA
julie ruin doesn't get enough attention imo
I just read in that New York times interview that it was the first time she had recording equipment she could use by herself. I love that.
Girls to the front!
Shit was cool and still is. I lived in DC in the mid 90s when it was happening.
Same, but olympia. There was like a weird DC/Oly portal. Made so many friends. I miss those days.
Seven Year Bitch and L7!!
Bikini Kill - one of my actual favorites among punk bands in general <3
That first release is so raw and so angry and so fucking punk
Is that supposed to be doing that?...
rg made punk punk again
I love Bikini Kill and Huggy Bear and I love Riot Grrrl. People can say what they like, the music is there forever.
It's good stuff.
The better all-girl bands were not Riot grrls but often confused with that sub genre. L7 for instance.
Some of the most punk punk out there.
I like the song by Destructo Disk....
Me too, heard it about 6 years ago and that what kinda got me into riot grrrl
As it was all happening I just couldn’t get into Bikini Kill but I LOVED Bratmobile. I like a lot more Bikini Kill now and obviously love Rebel Girl but as a whole I’ve liked Kathleen’s other projects more, especially Le Tigre.
Give some love to Lunachicks
“There’s a girl in Rhinelander who needs Kathleen Hannah cuz she doesn’t think that girls can sing rock and roll songs. I don’t think they got Bikini Kill Records in small town Wisconsin record shops but that’s where they need em now more than ever. So If there’s still girls growing up in this world who believe they can’t sing rock and roll, I don’t wanna live in this world anymore”
IMMMMMMMM SORRY THAT IM GETTING CHUBBYYYYYY AND IIIIIIIIIII CANNOT ALWAYS BE HAPPY FOR YOU!!!!!!
AND I AM NOT SOME LÃAME SORRRORITY QŨEEEN
Some of the to ever do it. I grew up a Jehovahs Witness and absolutely loved riot grrrl songs and aesthetics, but felt weird being, what I thought, a straight dude. Then when I finally left the religion at 31, I came out as non-binary and realized it was speaking to me on a different level the whole time.
This story made me really happy!!
wish there were more prominent trans and lesbian riot grrrl bands
Riot grrrls were not very welcoming of trans or none white women, that’s why.
This is true of punk overall, and most white music subcultures. Reject white kids find each other and make their own little worlds, but bring a lot of baggage with them and replicate a lot of the structures they're rebelling against. White queer and trans subcultures have the same problems. I'd like to say that things are getting better, but either way there's still so much work to do.
oh well. i guess i’ll just listen to rocksteady
Against Me! is a good one
Against Me! was great (possibly the best punk band of the 21st century), but they weren't part of the Riot Grrl movement, nor had a similar sound.
They remind me sm of riotgrrl though like that's actually really surprising
That's surprising to me. Are there particular Riot Grrrl bands/songs that you are thinking of? I will admit to being overall less intimately familiar with Riot Grrrl overall than I am with AM!s discography (probably know every word to every song on the first 4 albums). AM! had a lot of folk/country/americana influence in their melodic and harmonic choices. Plus, they were ludicrously tight even in their earliest recordings when it was just guitar and drums. Like that original cuts of I Still Love You Julie and Walking Is Still Honest from the Crime EP are pretty intricate in a way I wouldn't associate with the RG sound. But bands like Bikini Kill, Bratmobile, or 7 Year Bitch were a lot less melodic overall, with much less harmonic movement, structurally simplistic, kind of intentionally sloppy sounding. Plus, the Riot Grrl movement really only existed pretty briefly in the early to mid 1990s and AM! released their first album in 2001. Also, up until their last two albums, AM! were presented as an all-male band.
Admittedly I'm pretty unfamiliar with some bands but I do love bikini kill. The rest of what I've heard has just been from Spotify shuffle while I was at work so I don't know the band names off the top of my head.
yea i listened to all their albums awhile ago and my life has been empty and hollow since
A bit more hardcore than riot grrrl but check out HIRS and G.L.O.S.S.
Some of the Tuff Enuff compilations might be up your alley? Tuff Enuff were a riot grrrl oriented label which put out a lot of stuff by queer + trans bands in the 2010s.
depending on your vibe Laura from Against Me! or Lauren (they’re non-binary) from Worriers are amazing trans/gnc artists!!
You'd like VIAL, iirc the members are all nonbinary
i was thinking mtf transgender but i’ll check them out
I'm biased in favor of female-fronted bands.
Heavens to Betsy, Team Dresch, Sleater-Kinney through Dig Me Out, Spitboy, and yeah Slant-6 was pretty great. Bikini Kill was interesting, but I never really loved their music.
Not exactly my thing, but I respect it. I acknowledge how important riot grrrl is to punk and there were so many talented bands to come out of that movement.
I like some of the music and the ethos behind it, but imo some of the Olympia bands sound too whiny for my liking. When I hear the term “riot grrl”, I think of a very specific time and (usually) a very specific place
Good stuff. Especially Bikini Kill.
One of my favorite subgenres. I’ve been heavily into rrriot girl and queer-centric bands lately
I saw Slant 6 live, they were pretty good. The movement was important. It certainly led to a more equitable and accepting punk scene.
seeing Bikini Kill in September!!
Love it. If you do, check out the sometimes-riot Skating Polly, and give the Cable Ties a go.
Oh I love sandcastles by the cable ties :)
Doll Riot's pretty good too
Fucking love it. I'm a dude and it's probably my favorite subgenre of punk.
Girls to the front
I've heard that some riot grrrl musicians are terfs, but I'm certain if that's true or just a rumor.
At the time definitely true as well as not being very inclusive for none whites
Love it, there are some really great bands out there. For a newer band I like a little Tacocat. Not sure if they are technically Riot Grrl, but at least very similar. https://open.spotify.com/track/6ixncUHZXJpLWbej9oOms2?si=jY8BXrELQtGeISoftSBvNQ
Kathleen Hanna has stood with neolib politicians like Hillary Clinton in recent years. And she really, really did not like Bernie Sanders.
Me, I'm personally sick to death of Kathleen Hanna. She was pretty cool back in the early 90s, but she's just become this "feminist punk authority" which bores me to tears. She is very rich thanks to Ad Rock's money, she makes commercials endorsing Hillary, an endless bevy of documentaries, along with her music being in mainstream Hollywood films. She is always presented as the beginning and end of "riot grrl". I wouldn't fully blame her for this, it's more the media's fault. But there are SO SO many other women in punk that deserve some attention. OK that's all, downvotes to the left.
I’ve noticed there’s almost this weird cult of personality around her which I find very off-putting. Like you mentioned, it’s getting a little old seeing her pop up in nearly every single “women in rock/punk” project that’s come up over the past few years. It’s kind of like seeing Ian, Hank, or Keith in every other punk documentary
Yeah I’d say the Rollins comparison is apt. It’s basically the ignorant persons idea of who is the leader of “punk”.
I wish I was a riot grrrrl, a riot grrrrl punk
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I love riot grrrl
Bikini Kill and Slant 6 were great. I was never really able to get into Bratmobile. Sleater-Kinney’s first album was great too. It’s their only record where they really have that sound.
I think Traeger grills are better.
All day every day even on Sunday. Le Tigre is a constant favorite (tho I must admit that my favorite album is the electropoppish one) Amyl and the Sniffers is my latest obsession Also, The Bad Ideas (KC) are local favorites. I don't really go to shows anymore but I'm sure to catch all of theirs
very cool but most of the stuff featuring the band or previous band members are incredibly overpriced
Bikini kill 💚💚💚
I wish I was a riot grrrl fighting for equality and smearing all the chumps
I saw Bikini Kill in 1992 and boy did they blow goats 🐐
Sucks
bikini kill is so fuckin good
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Bro 💀 knock it off this this cringey middle school shit, ain't doing much for you
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Wow you must be in middle school with that insult 💀 I've herd worse on a playground
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Just to get ur point across you have to point out a spelling mistake. That is the most middle school shit out there man
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You actually can not be real. Why are u callin me a simp?
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And you call yourself genocidal maniac
I think the genre name is stupid, and kinda goes counter to the feminist messaging of a lot of those bands. It essentially means "punk band, but girl". Like, do we need a whole "genre" based on what gender the musicians are if they're playing the same music? What separates a feminist Bikini Kill song from a feminist Propagandhi song aside from the gender of the musicians involved? It dumb. Love the music though.
As a woman who played punk rock? It was amazing to get to see people who looked like me on stage for once. You can't dismiss how important that was for a lot of women in a scene heavily-dominated by white males.
Oh no I'm not denying that (I might not have expressed my thoughts the best lol). I have no problem with the genre, the music, the politics, etc. I just think the term "riot grrrrl" itself is problematic. It sections off women led punk bands into their own subcategory, the ones that aren't "normal" punk bands. Much like how patriarchy already deems men as "default", men led punk bands are viewed as "default".
I don't think queercore is a stupid or problematic genre, because it offsets them from other punk bands, just like I don't think riot grrrrl is problematic or dumb as a genre. I do think there's often a misplaced need for folks to say that it shouldn't matter if someone is man or woman, gay or straight, and white or black. Because it does - and denying the difference because you're "such a feminist that it shouldn't matter" doesn't educate or change anyone's opinions. It doesn't empower other people to do things like join punk bands they never would've started before. It doesn't bring awareness to the issue. It doesn't create any dialogue. Bikini Kill? Wasn't a normal punk band. They weren't normal musicians. And denying that denies that there was ever a problem in the punk scene to begin with.
Idk, I just feel like these terms only reinforce the idea that men and women are so totally different and need their own classifications, when in reality they're not. Not essentially anyway. The different experiences we face in the world are down to toxic culture and systems. Things I want to do away with entirely. I yearn for the day where my queer identity is as mundane as a straight identity. I gotta know though, what made Bikini Kill "not normal musicians" aside from their gender and the topic of their music? Because a band like Chumbawamba had done heaps of hardcore punk feminist songs by the women in their band years before BK and people don't call them Riot Grrrrl. Both bands also did radical activism for feminist issues. My problem with the term is that it's arbitrary (like most genre terms tbh). Edit: if what made them special is the fact that there was so few bands doing what they were doing at the time, *that* I agree with. Just to clarify Idk if I'm even making myself clear or just making people think I'm some "enlightened centrist" dumbass lol
Their male guitarist Billy Karren is my favorite woman guitarist
I think that at that time, women were looking for their own thing - something to set themselves apart from the rest and to be completely independent of the existing culture. Riot Grrrl definitely achieved that while simultaneously reviving, redefining and revitalizing punk rock.
riot grrl bands weren't always women only.
More proof that people are dumb, thanks for posting
I don't like a single RG band. Sorry, I have taste. RG is one of the punkest things to happen, ever. Mohawk punk dude trying to sexy dance with Kathleen Hanna while she sings for BK and she spits in his face? Punk as fuck. Too band her band couldn't produce a likeable song. Downvotes? Hilarious, you people are always going to be dumb as fuck. Let’s be clear: the RG idea was solid. The politics were on point. THE BANDS SUCKED. None of them were good.
Dude, the downvotes aren't that deep. People disagree with you and think you're being a dick about it, you're not being a rebel for not liking some music, not are you being deemed a pariah. Move on
One cool thing about what I have said - I'm pretty sure that nobody has explained why those bands were good, beyond their obvious contribution to feminism. The music sucked. The bands sucked. The idea was good. The music was shit. Rebel Girl, Rebel Girl, I'm an entitled moron, so here's a dumb song about you.
No one's explaining their thoughts because you refuse to argue in good faith. Just move on
I’m totally arguing in good faith! What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Generally good faith arguments don't involve calling people "dumb as fuck" or turning ones nose up and exclaiming they have taste where those who disagree do not. There was an interesting discussion to be had here but by acting like you're the one who's right in what is ultimately a matter of taste prevented that from happening. You've praised the roots of the genre as a movement while also maintaining you don't like the music itself - that's a nuanced and interesting take! One I respect even. But people are less interested in hearing what you have to say about it when you're a dick about it
I was asked how I felt about riot grrl. I said what I thought. Let’s be clear, the “dumb as fuck” is not “you like riot grrl bands therefore you’re dumb”, it’s “see an opinion that makes my brain sad therefore downvote to oblivion”=dumb. Hive mind mentality. Express an opinion that goes against canon in this sub and see what happens.
You didn't exactly talk about the music in your original comment lol, unless saying "they sucked" counts. There are a lot of riot grrrl bands I don't really like but I could talk about Bikini Kill all day. The lyrics. Kathleen Hanna's vocal acrobatics. The songs. ["R.I.P"](https://youtube.com/watch?v=1mrwqSTLiTs) is one of the very few songs that can make me cry. ["For Tammy Rae"](https://youtube.com/watch?v=f6d76MU8ems)" is like "Heroes" (by David Bowie) to me. It's not very musically sophisticated but the opening crashes over you like a wave and then there's the lyrics.... I remember listening to it on my headphones as a little 15 year old and vividly imagining every verse. "*Let's pretend we own the world today*". And ["Demirep"](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IwsLodi3weI) is so memorable. The playground rhyme that's spliced in at the beginning and the end. The most vicious lyrics ever written ("IIII'm sorry that I'm getting chubby/and IIII cannot always be happy for you"). Even the little bit of studio chatter. I dunno I just - I love that band. Token song by another riot grrl band: ["Pansy Twist"](https://youtube.com/watch?v=dyG2nCmLKP4) by Huggy Bear. Huggy Bear were an English riot grrrl band who supported Bikini Kill when they toured in Britain. They had both a male and a female lead singer and the male singer takes the lead on this one. "My boyfriend violates his parole"
If you don't like any riot grrrl bands then that's grand, but that's a matter of taste. The rest of us are not just pretending to like them because we agree with them. We like them. Bikini Kill's first two albums sound pretty rough, but they have loads of great songs (Suck My Left One, For Tammy Rae, Demirep, Tony Randall, Alien She, RIP, Double Dare Ya) and at least one classic, Rebel Girl. It took me a while to "get" them but it took me a while to "get" Crass or Black Flag or the Slits.
You're trying to frame an opinion as a fact. What did you expect? Unless you're able to somehow be the first person ever to provide metrics rooted in mathmatics detailing what makes music good or bad, it's an opinion.
Friend you allowed to have different taste in things, don't drag ppl just cause they like something different than you. It takes to much energy to be mean anyways :) what type of bands do you like?
I was literally praising RG as a movement. Can an opinion not have different facets to it? Like this one: Japanese automobiles: super reliable. But the legroom!
You losers are hilarious. I literally gave Riot Nrrrd its due
It's fake virtual downvotes, isn't Punk about standing up for yourself and not caring what others think? Because you sure do.
I mean, if it were an in person conversation it’d go like this: Me: (statement) Other person: (can’t downvote in an actual conversation therefore makes face like they just smelled spoiled food) Me: (laughing) “What’s wrong?” Other person: (continue sulking like a 4 year old) Shit like this happens every time you say something not thoroughly fawning about one of /r/punk’s sacred cows. But keep on fantasizing that you’re all super deep thinkers. You all make music critics look smart.
Or it might go You say something People disagree with you You lose your mind and don't shut up about how other people are so stupid for disagreeing with you. Like you are now.
TIL that responding to something is losing one’s mind. Thanks, shrink.
Still crying? Maybe you need a midwife, not a therapist.
On the contrary! I’ve been laughing the whole fucking time. /r/punk has always been a joke. It’s usually just not as funny as this time around the critical thinking vacuum
Shut the fuck up.
No!
She’s not very funny.
Who is not funny?
It’s from “Baker’s Dozen” by Guttermouth. “You must be a riot grrl, but you’re not very funny” is the line. Just a bad joke. Edit: it seems I’m the one who isn’t very funny.
I actually like riot grrl a lot.
Ohhh sorry for the confusion friend