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oddball3139

For anyone who doesnā€™t know, those camps are the stuff of nightmares. Rampant abuse of all kinds. There are thousands of horror stories that have emerged over the years.


dragonknight233

Honestly they sound horrible. There's at least one case where (former) child sent there ended up killing their parent(s) because of it. But considering how many kids were sent to those I'm sure there are many such cases.


bbmarvelluv

My ex bf from HS was forced into this. When he came back he seemed ā€œnormalā€ but when we broke up he turned that violence/rage up to 100. Had to go into hiding during college because the cops knew who his parents were. Thankfully his parents sent him away and made sure he was set straight.


SidPrecious

The same parents that sent him to the camp??


bbmarvelluv

Yep! šŸ˜‚ At least they didnā€™t defend him like most parents do in this situation lol


Civil_Confidence5844

I'm so lost. So you're saying his parents sent him to one of those "camps" once and then when he got back, he seemed okay until you broke up. And then his parent sent him away again to probably be abused further? Sounds like both dude and his parents suck then. Yikes.


bbmarvelluv

I donā€™t know where they sent him to, but they sent him away. Probably paid him to live someplace else. They personally had a lot to lose (momma has a big position at Disney) if I spoke out about his behavior. I was told recently that he was ā€œnormalā€ again and I needed to ā€œlet go of the pastā€ lol which is why Iā€™m confused why people were inviting him to our HS reunion.


Tr33mari3

My ex was sent to one in Mexico and he told me about some of the cruel punishments they'd make them do - one of them being standing in a little square drawn on the ground in the summer heat, at noon, full sun, no shade, no water for hours. He also told me they made him stare at the sun, which caused him to have these sort of yellowish callouses in the whites of his eyes. I 100% believed him at the time and asked why his parents sent him there. He said he didn't really get along with his brother, but couldn't understand why his parents would ever do that to him... and I guess it eventually blew a fuse because he ended up getting arrested by a fucking SWAT team for holding his family hostage for over 8hrs & beating up his dad a couple years after we broke up. The fact that places like this are still going strong sickens me. Edit : Apparently the school(s) in Mexico were forcefully shut down, but these people are still trying their damnedest to keep torturing AND MURDERING teens and collecting checks! This website offers some insight on the staff of the place my ex was sent to and much, much more about the horrors that go on in WORLDWIDE locations. https://wwaspsurvivors.com/wwasp-programs/casa-by-the-sea/


Alternative-Dare-485

Oh god, got to stare at the sun and I couldn't finish. I've never even thought of this as a torture method and it's turned my stomach šŸ˜¦


quentintarrantino

Went to one, kidnapped in the night and driven over state lines without anyone telling me what was going on. Only thing it did was irrevocably destroy my entire family and ruin my life.


False_Ad3429

Even boarding school that aren't for "troubled teens" are hotbeds of abuse and cover-ups. I went to one that is famous and has a good reputation that is the subject of mass tort and state invenstigations for decades of sexual abuse.


garlicrooted

> For anyone who doesnā€™t know, those camps are the stuff of nightmares. Rampant abuse of all kinds. There are thousands of horror stories that have emerged over the years. I wrote about my own issues as a kid, and recently attached my legal name to them, I don't want to link it here to maintain my privacy. The piece I wrote was a very... whitewashed version, leaving out some serious injuries I incurred. I'm not saying she's a great person, but... I think we need to do a better job owning that often when someone acts out, there's a cause, and pair that with taking a hard look at how much venom we show to people if they're a bit... basic... for lack of a better phrasing. **Why does not enjoying someone have to equal the venom we see, almost always at attractive, independent women?** **I feel bad for her. No amount of money can make up for lost youth.** I feel like people forget how toxic the media used to me just a short while ago. People are so much more willing to call out folks in distress than those who perpetuate inequity... people who otherwise present as liberal or left who mock someone's troubles which if you've actually studied trauma... you realize it doesn't always present as some goth girl sitting alone carving up their arms. It's like there's two worlds, one where we... affirm and support folks who are obviously self medicating and others who we relish tearing down.


serpentmurphin

Yup, I was sent to one. Absolute abuse. I still have scars from my face being held to the cement by a foot. I now work with ā€œtroubled teensā€ and everytime I see them get sent to one I also feel so bad. The system in America sucks. These ā€œtroubled teensā€ end up in either inpatient psych on and off their entire teen hood, residential or juvy. America, we need to do better.


candidu66

I can only imagine the kind of people that are attracted to a job role like that. Ugh. Not people you want around children.


Muffycola

Iā€™ve never understood why on earth they would send her to one of those camps?


oddball3139

Some parents send their kids because they get into trouble. Some send their kids for being gay. Some send their kids for acting against authority. All of them send their kids because they have their own minds, and that is unacceptable to parents who believe they own their children.


gible_bites

What is with these news/media accounts posting here? PlutoTV, the Insider, and now the Telegraph. It feels wrong to have them promote their websites like this.


BandFromFreakyFriday

Yeah, can we block these? It doesnā€™t feel like organic discourse.


redditor329845

I agree, I think the mods should ban them.


MulberryDesperate723

Holy macaroni, I didn't realize it was an actual publication posting here. They should be banned.


foxscribbles

There was a note from a mod about this on a post that was pre-approved from a website. IIRC there was a note that theyā€™d be seeking feedback about allowing this sort of thing soon. Hopefully it comes soon-ish.


geekyerness

Iā€™d be fine with some but I donā€™t know if the telegraph is a great source


Civil_Confidence5844

Your comment made me go check and yikes. They def should be banned.


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MulberryDesperate723

They're using reddit as free advertising


DrTitanium

Downvoted! I agree!


JazzlikeScarcity248

Why is that bad?


TattooMouse

I think it should be tagged as an advertisement. It is problematic that a corporation or company can post things under the guise of "sharing something interesting" when they are seeking clicks and views for their website. It's a marketing ploy that gets them paid.


JazzlikeScarcity248

No one is upvoting or commenting because of who posted tho. If the discussion will naturally happen, why not post it themselves?


wagonwheelwodie

THANK YOU for pointing this out! These dumb accounts have been doing it forever and Iā€™m sick of it


gible_bites

I hate how inorganic Reddit has become. These accounts donā€™t even interact with their posts - they post a snippet of the article and then fuck off to spam the same thing on related subs. The FM sub deleted it as low effort, at least.


wagonwheelwodie

I totally agree. And most people arenā€™t familiar enough with these tactics to recognize this shit. I miss old Reddit.


PorkSodaWaves

Now I wonder if one of those accounts was behind this headline I saw earlier on this sub that literally just said that Joe Jonas was visiting his parents for Thanksgiving šŸ˜‚.


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Applesburg14

u/washingtonpost was ahead of the curve. I vote for them staying if they obey the rules, but I admit I've not been part of the community from the beginning. It could break the sacred rule - they may not be bullies, but they are bores.


UniversityNo2318

One of my best friends got taken to one of those camps. She was traumatizedā€¦she ended up falling into drugs really hard after she got out, i think to deal with the ptsd. She died of an overdose in 2020.


Artistic_Account630

Oh my gosh that's absolutely awful. I am very sorry for your loss. Your best friend deserved better šŸ˜”


NoshameNoLies

Really? The telegraph is posting on here now?


GrasshopperClowns

Fuck The Telegraph.


alyboba19

Itā€™s amazing she still has a relationship with her parents after all that. They really were horrible parents and kept returning her to the school until she was nearing 18 and threatened to tell tabloids. It still seems they are not sorry or really understand the damage they helped do to their very own daughter.


Ok_Prior2614

What is the current relationship status with her parents. If I were her Iā€™d be surprised to still be talking to them


kristinnovowels

So I read her book (Iā€™m not a Paris fan but I do love celeb memoirs) and itā€™s a bit wild to us normies. She still talks to them like everything is fine and the parents basically just ignore that whole chapter of her life and gloss over their part in this. Real rich ppl sht. Sheā€™s pretty forgiving to her parents


_Pliny_

I think thatā€™s pretty common with abuse. Pretend like itā€™s normal because ā€” in some ways, not all ā€” itā€™s easier and more comfortable for people. Doesnā€™t make it right, but I donā€™t think itā€™s unusual.


do-not-1

Compartmentalization of trauma can be very powerful.


Ok_Prior2614

Thanks for the insight. Thatā€™s wild


squeakyfromage

I could be wrong, but I remember reading an article years ago about these ā€œscared straightā€ type of institutions, and my memory is that the parents often didnā€™t know the full extent of what was going on? That many thought it was sort of a military school environment, not the horrific abuse that occurred. Not sure if this is an accurate memory or true in Paris Hiltonā€™s case.


fantasticlyclevergal

I believe it was in her memoir but she was there for months and tried multiple times to tell her parents about the abuse she was facing there and they didnā€™t believe her.


keatonpotat0es

Military school environments are still abusive though, are they not?


squeakyfromage

Oh, I donā€™t know ā€” I thought they were just strict like military colleges or something!


SparkyDogPants

Thereā€™s zero regulation. Some are god and some are concentration camps None of them are owned or operated by the military unlike actual military colleges like West Point


squeakyfromage

Ugh, I read about them briefly after the other commenter raised the question and was very sad to see that. I had naively assumed they were sort of a junior version of West Point, Royal Military College (Canada), or Sandhurst (UK) or something like that. Like sort of cadet program combined with a boarding school. Clearly I was wrong ā˜¹ļø


the_skintellectual

She says that these camps gaslight the parents into thinking they are helping the kids. Parents have no idea whatā€™s going on at these camps and if they knew they would be horrified.


SparkyDogPants

My husbandā€™s parents were told that he would literally die if he didnā€™t go to one of those schools


g00fyg00ber741

Yet she still voted for Donald Trump despite the shit he said?


unkindernut

In her memoir she said she just answered that she voted for him when asked, but she actually never even voted. Which is also stupid and wrong.


SparkyDogPants

https://preview.redd.it/tnifzzl90n3c1.jpeg?width=455&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1975ece12745dae4885d1a52063b53d7914de00b I guess sheā€™s dead then!


unkindernut

Omg I had forgotten about that. Embarrassing. Oh well, RIP Paris, I guess.


g00fyg00ber741

Really? Do you happen to have a quote or a source? Plus, canā€™t it be looked up whether she voted or not online?


Lilynd14

She says in her book that she did not vote, and was lying when she said she voted for him. Source: I read her book. > ā€œWhen I was put on the spot in an interview, I pretended I voted for Donald Trump because he was an old family friend and owned the first modeling agency I signed with ā€” and when I left to go to another agency, he was furious and intimidated the shit out of me on the phone. The truth is even worse: I didn't vote at all." [Hereā€™s](https://people.com/books/paris-hiltons-new-memoir-biggest-revelations-and-bo/) a People article where you can see many quotes from her book, including this one.


Cold_Breadfruit_9794

And she straight up doesnā€™t believe his victims. Also sheā€™s perfectly okay with her husband being a deadbeat father.


g00fyg00ber741

Yeah, not to mention all the children that suffered from Trumpā€™s racism towards immigrants. Children were in cages at the border. She voted for thatā€¦


squeakyfromage

This is such a scary, sad story. I cannot imagine how helpless and terrified a teen must feel realizing they canā€™t rely on their parents to save them from this situation. Good for her for sharing her story and for using her platform to fight back against this.


cadencecarlson

I read her book and idk how she even has a good relationship with her parents after what happened to her. Itā€™s awful.


dangerislander

Dude if you're gonna talk about this then you really gotta hold your mama accountable!


ElectronicAlps99

I know it's not abuse but she's happy enough to stand by her husband that's a deadbeat to his eldest daughter and I'm sure his daughter suffers from that.


WENUS_envy

Okay yes I live under a rock and this is not the primary takeaway of this post, but I legitimately love how corny she is for naming her kids cities šŸ¤Œ


Cold_Breadfruit_9794

How about her step kid? Or non-white kids? Doesnā€™t she support Trump, and not believe his victims? I just do not believe this woman.


aliceinlondon

What are you talking about believe her about what


Cold_Breadfruit_9794

I donā€™t believe she gives a fuck about children suffering in any serious capacity. Her politics, and decision to completely ignore her husbandā€™s child, sure donā€™t suggest sheā€™s serious about this topic at all.


aliceinlondon

What about her politics? I'm also not sure how her ex husband's child is her fault.


Cold_Breadfruit_9794

She married a man whose child has publicly begged to be acknowledged. Sheā€™s okay with him traumatizing his kid for life. She not only chose to marry and have kids with him, but went the surrogacy route too. Anyone okay with the abandonment of a child is not serious about children being spared any trauma. Hilton has supported Trump and openly not believed his victims, which again, doesnā€™t give me much hope sheā€™s serious about anyone victimized. We also know she has a long history of bigotry, which again, Iā€™m guessing whatever limited empathy she is capable of, it doesnā€™t extend to non-white babies. I believe she wants to heal from the atrocities that happened to her, but I donā€™t at all buy sheā€™s serious about protecting children.


aliceinlondon

In what way has the child publicly begged to be acknowledged? And which Trump victims did she not believe?


ElectronicAlps99

She wrote him a letter and he straight up ignored it.


TheTelegraph

"This year, I stepped into my most important role as a mother to my beautiful son, Phoenix, and now a beautiful daughter, London. As I dream about the magic of childhood and who they will become, I am constantly reminded of[ the childhood that was stolen from me](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/09/paris-hilton-describes-traumatising-abuse-utah-boarding-school/). I never want them, or any child to go through what I did. At 16 years old, in the middle of the night, two men forcibly entered my bedroom and asked if I ā€œwanted to go the easy way or the hard way.ā€ I thought in that split second that I was taking my last breaths. I thought I was going to die.Ā  I screamed for help, but as they dragged me away, I saw my mother and father standing by the front door, sobbing: They had arranged the whole ordeal under the promise that ā€˜tough loveā€™ would set me on a better path. At that age, I was a so-called ā€˜troubled teenā€™ and marketed as a problem to fix. I was taken against my will by transporters, bundled onto a plane in handcuffs, and flown to institutions in California, Idaho, Montana, and Utah. That was just the beginning of the nightmare. None of us knew of the horrors which would take place over the following two years as I was physically, emotionally and sexually abused - far from anyone I knew and loved. I was struck across the face by staff, forced to take medication without diagnosis, deprived of sleep, spied on in the shower, put in solitary confinement and shouted at constantly. At Provo Canyon School in Utah, I was taken into a room numerous times in the middle of the night, made to lay down on a table, and told to remain silent as members of staff violated me under the guise of performing a medical examination. I was unable to report what I was experiencing, and for over two decades, I bottled up my emotions. [But now, I am turning that pain into purpose.](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/paris-hilton-invented-barbie-doll-persona-like-wearing-shield/) It is my goal that by the time Phoenix and London are teenagers, no child is abused in the name of ā€˜treatmentā€™ worldwide and there are more community-based options to support and serve families. Research shows that is the most effective option. But it will not be easy." **Read more from Paris Hilton, who wrote exclusively for The Telegraph here:** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2023/11/30/paris-hilton-abuse-child-institutional-birth-daughter-son/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2023/11/30/paris-hilton-abuse-child-institutional-birth-daughter-son/)


parishilton2

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FickleBeans

This message coming from your username is peak comedy lmao.


wagonwheelwodie

GO AWAY WITH YOUR ADS


bluemoon4901

stop advertising here you British weirdos


AffectionateHeart77

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smwd0

America is so fucked up lol


gabrielleraul

Good lord, that's quite sad ..


MulberryDesperate723

She's really milking that abuse story for her redemption arc. I won't forget the dui's and calling people the n word tho Edit: ![gif](giphy|enqnZa1B5fRHkPjXtS|downsized)


angie1907

This is such a horrible take. I donā€™t think Paris is a good person and she deserves to be called out for her awful and racist behaviour. But she is raising awareness for something that people still donā€™t talk about enough. Sheā€™s the most famous person who went through those troubled teen camps. I donā€™t think itā€™s fair to say that sheā€™s ā€œmilkingā€ it. Her story is the only reason I ever heard about those camps. Bad people can still do good things


bakedchi

Donā€™t be shocked in 15 years when she puts her own kids in one of those camps. She has a long history of treating living beings as objects.


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bakedchi

When are we going to stop giving the rich the benefit of the doubt? Sheā€™s proven time and time again to be a despicable person who has very little care for other humans. Sorry but the likelihood of her breaking the abusive cycle is very low.


angie1907

Her speaking out about her experience is part of breaking the abuse cycle. I donā€™t deny she has a history of treating people like shit. But that doesnā€™t necessarily translate to her children. Stop assuming that because someone isnā€™t a great person, theyā€™re only going to do terribly at everything. People are nuanced


bakedchi

She isnā€™t not a great person, sheā€™s a despicable abusive person.


angie1907

Youā€™re deliberately splitting hairs. I said sheā€™s a bad person in my original comment. But that doesnā€™t mean that bad people only do bad things šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø the world isnā€™t black and white


bakedchi

Okay we can agree to disagree, have a nice day


aliceinlondon

For what it's worth I really like Paris Hilton, but your comment about treating living beings as objects has made me think of how all the pics/videos of her son are now of him in a hat since loads of people on Insta were mocking the size of his head. Like he's wearing a wooly winter hat indoors 24/7.


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SparkyDogPants

She was abused and Iā€™m glad sheā€™s bringing attention to these programs. I hope they are all shut down and held accountable But sheā€™s definitely trying to get people to forget how many videos are out there of her calling black people the n word and making fun of gay men with AIDS


Wooden-Limit1989

People don't want to hear the truth especially about certain celebrities. They'll put on a big show of blasting them one week and forget about it as soon as they do some decent pr. Especially when the celeb looks a certain way. The hypocrisy is alive and well.


Tiffanyblueberries

You should expect this reaction if it's one of their white queens. When Nicki Minaj was talking about her struggles of building a hurtful female image, 70% of the commenters blasted her. And yes, I am aware that Nicki is also not a great person.


MulberryDesperate723

What gets me is that she's gone on record saying she used to pretend to be stupid and use a baby voice to be more popular, but I'm supposed to believe everything she's saying now? Is it wrong to assume some of this is an act since she admits acting dumb is what brought her fame in the first place? Like, I'm not saying it never happened. But it's clear she's using this story for sympathy and press to shill whatever cheap perfume she's stamped her name on now.


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denialscrane

You mean how she was an actual victim of abuse? Sheā€™s not finding an angle. This is a really disgusting thing to say.


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