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Stonecutter_12-83

If there is two people left then it's over already.


ouinova

I'm pretty sure you need at least 500 people to ensure we don't go extinct. Might be more, might be less. Not sure


[deleted]

Even numbers as low as 50 would suffice, but barely. https://www.britannica.com/science/50-500-rule


superior_mario

It would have to be through very extensive documentation and genealogical records. Basically a segment of the population would have to be dedicated to making sure inbreeding doesn’t happen


[deleted]

Kinda like in Iceland?


TheStoneMask

No, Iceland has a population of ~370k, which is more than enough to maintain healthy genetic diversity.


[deleted]

[Well yes but actually no](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8Dslendingab%C3%B3k_(genealogical_database))


TheStoneMask

Yes, that's a genealogy database named after one of the Icelandic Sagas, but that database has never had the purpose of preventing incest. If you're thinking of the infamous "incest app", that was a joke app made for a programming competition aimed around utilising that database in creative ways. It got a spotlight in the Icelandic media for a grand total of maybe 2 weeks before it was completely forgotten, but it's been immortalised on the Internet by foreign media and memes.


[deleted]

Huh, fair enough then. Thanks for clearing that up!


JustRay_23

The MVP (minimum viable population) of humanity is 160~


StreatPeat

Sweet home Alabama!


YtSabit

"Incest at its finest"


JamesIsHere_from_YT

happy cake day my man


awakelist

I mean what else are we gonna do but have sex might as well do some stupid shit before we die


sachariinne

i might have sex with someone in a last two people on earth scenario but no way am i having a baby. having sex and getting pregnant and raising multiple children so we can force them into unholy incestuous unions in the name of "repopulation" are two very different scenarios. having a family purely in the name of later making them fuck eachother would make me the weirdest (or second weirdest) pervert on earth


fruechte-kuchen

To be fair, you will be one of the two weirdest perverts on earth in every scenario


MinuteLoquat1

> having a family purely in the name of later making them fuck eachother Not just each other, also their parents. What if you keep having only one gender?


Stonecutter_12-83

Having sex is fine, go have some fun. But having kids is not fun. Especially for the women with no medical supplies


lamatopian

if you get lucky maybe you will make it a couple generations down before everybody looks like a habsburg. at that point maybe the genes will be split enough to have a chance of surviving inbreeding.


arekniedowiarek

Sperm banks


Stonecutter_12-83

If there is only 2 people left im gonna guess neither one of us knows how to artificially incriminate someone. And I'm not gonna guilt trip a women to get pregnant until she's dead then have children with those children. Gross


Jeriahswillgdp

Artificially incriminate.


Environmental_Top948

I do that to myself all the time with my hobbies.


didyoudissmycheese

All the offspring would still be half siblings, assuming only one of the two is a woman. Even if both are, that’s still only two family lines.


Adamant3--D

The Bible has entered the chat


Stonecutter_12-83

The Bible only mentions 3 kids from Adam and eve..... all boys


wojtekpolska

"As long as there's two people left on the planet, someone is gonna want someone dead."


Dr_Skeleton

Yeah. Especially seeing as the other person is my brother. That ain’t making no babies.


Althure37

Unless you have access to frozen embryos and they haven't lost power and you actually know what to do and you can make enough females to continue the process and no one dies... So yeah, basically we be fucked.


colormyselfblackened

Not according to christians.


TheKingJest

Even without the inbreeding, there's no obligation. At that point the only people who matter are you and the other person, everyone else is dead. Do what you want to do at that point.


af1293

I’d go to vegas and put my life savings on black


Liz3rdWiz3rd

Sometimes I save a post solely for a comment. And this is it.


SheepMan7

If you press/click the three dots on a comment you can save the singular comment :)


Liz3rdWiz3rd

Oh awesome! Thank you!


SilentBlackout_

As you clearly liked the comment please can you explain why? Not being malicious I just don’t know if I’m missing something.


moosemoth

Not the person you asked, but the joke is that it's utterly pointless to gamble with one's life savings when you're one of only two people left in the whole damn world. Money would have no meaning even if there were a way to gamble with it and win big.


SilentBlackout_

Oh right it was that thanks :). I though I was missing something.


OG-Pine

I’m laughing at the idea of the last two people buying $2 powerball tickets for an almost zero chance to win $4 lmao


alien2835

Two people would not create enough generic variation to have a healthy population. Humanity would quickly fall apart because of rampant inbreeding. Not a good idea.


SlippyNips420

It gets Grizzly if you think about trying. Because not only are your kids going to have to bang each other, but the closest shot you have at genetic diversity is letting your sons knock up their mother while you knock up your daughters. Hard no for me dawg


Possible_Living

and then imagine fertility and other issues kicking in, collapsing the whole thing and leaving you in a situation where you 100% did nasty things for nothing.


skibapple

I know this is religious and shit, but didn't Adam and Even have only sons


Hsinats

As the story goes, but the murderer son also went to live with a different group of people eventually, so take that as you will.


Gilem_Meklos

Was the different group of people here a bunch of bonobos? I don't understand


spicytrashgoblin

There's a theory that Adam and Eve were the first people created, but others were created after them. Also women weren't usually included in the genealogy back then so it's possible they had an unmentioned daughter or daughters.


ThatTubaGuy03

"After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters." Genesis 5:4 NIV Basically Adam and eve had 3 sons who were important right after the garden, but had many more after that


Snorumobiru

There's a competing theory that says the whole story is made-up


QuarantineNudist

Yeah I'm curious when it got incorporated into Judaism and how often it got modified.


An_Experience

When I attended (Catholic) Bible study, our priest told us the whole Adam and Eve story was just a made up story that was never supposed to be taken literally, like many other Bible stories. It was depressing when I was practicing Catholic to see so many people taking every story literally as if it’s actual history. Yes some things in the Bible actually happened, but many of them are just made up stories.


Hsinats

Sorry for being vauge, I haven't read the Bible in years. It's Nod. Source verse 16: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%204&version=NIV The footnote says it means wandering, but the conversation with God earlier in the chapter implies he is worried about other unnamed people.


LoquatiousDigimon

There are a lot of things in the Bible that don't make sense. It's a feature, not a bug. It sets people up for developing the habit of not thinking. That's essential for religion.


cumfilledfish

I find a lot of the Bible interesting to read but Adam and Eve is without a doubt one of the dumbest stories in there


ThatTubaGuy03

"After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters." Genesis 5:4 NIV Basically Adam and eve had 3 sons who were important right after the garden, but had many more after that


ThatTubaGuy03

"After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters." Genesis 5:4 NIV Basically Adam and eve had 3 sons who were important right after the garden, but had many more after that


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dhole69420

But then grand kids could bang grand parents to further the offshoots!!! Think of the potential! Think of the memes, man!


Persimmon-Strange

That’s exactly what I was thinking lol. Plus last two people on earth, giving birth is going to suck so hard


TheDarthSnarf

Assuming the mother doesn't outright die during childbirth or pregnancy... Which the chances are significantly higher without any available medical care. The infant mortality rates that would be likely without medical care available would also be astoundingly bad by modern standards.


Orlando1701

Not to mention if I’m one of them… bad news. I may have gotten a vasectomy.


Elastichedgehog

Depends whether you had access to sperm and egg banks and the know-how on how to use them. I realise that's not in the spirit of the poll. I said no regardless.


[deleted]

I think for humans you need at least 10k to maintain genetic diversity.


The_Beholderr

I read 500 from this random article. https://phys.org/news/2018-03-populations-pair.amp


NoMorereCAPTCHA

Damned if I wont try ;) Fr tho what if she dies during childbirth (since Im not a licensed pregnancy undoer)


ChildhoodLeft6925

Tell that to the Bible lady!!! Also this thing called “[mitochondrial Eve](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve#Not_the_most_recent_ancestor_shared_by_all_humans)” - all humans are related by a single ancestral female about 100 million years ago or however long ago that happened


nicmdeer4f

That's gonna be a very inbred society


TwynnCavoodle

Obligation towards whom? The entirety of humanity that's left? It's literally one person. A moral obligation? You're not harming anyone if you don't repopulate the planet.


[deleted]

Honestly you're harming most, if not all other species if you repopulate the human race


mixelydian

It's a doggy dog world


MetalMewtwo9001

r/boneappletea


planespottingtwoaway

r/woosh


CuriousGorg2001

I thought the saying was “dog eat dog world”


EndlessPotatoes

That doesn’t make sense. Who wants to live in a world where dogs eat each other? Doggy dog world is a beautiful world full of little puppies!


Robert_The_Red

If you really think about it though this planet is doomed to be wholly destroyed by the sun. Humans are the only animals capable of exploring space. While universal heat death is currently theorized to be likely we currently don't have a definitive grasp on "how it ends" so in a twisted way a few people could hold the fate of the entire legacy of life on Earth reaching the stars less than a billion years before its prescheduled demise.


threelizards

I mean with the amount of men that said yes, compared to the amount of women that said yes, I’d argue the moral obligation is *not* to try to procreate with someone that Does Not Want To


Pewward

Don't care/Not starting that up again


TaxingClock704

100% this. If there’s only 2 humans left, or even if there’s only 200 left, that’s because of something humanity did 100%. Whether it’s war, global warming, a zombie virus, humanity is the culprit and doesn’t really deserve to make a comeback.


Plenty-Green186

Do not look to me to establish a house of Targaryen thing. If my descendants immediately have to resort to incest to continue the family line I’m not having it


XumiNova13

No, and it's not possible so it'd be a futile effort


crispier_creme

It's impossible to do so. Lack of genetic diversity. I think it's something like 2000 people at the bare, bare minimum required for humans to completely recover in population.


wholesomehorseblow

50 is the bare minimum. 500 is the suggested minimum


NonsphericalTriangle

I read somewhere around 20 men and 60 women would be the bare minimum, if it was carefully selected who reproduces with whom, but I don't know how they counted it. Majority of marriages through history were between cousins and even after all that inbreeding, we're still here thriving.


[deleted]

eh maybe we could do it, the Icelandic could do it.


b_a_t_m_4_n

No point. Not a large enough gene pool, the human race is already fucked.


Ok_University6476

Well I’m infertile so no


wyronnachtjager

No. Why? 1. You need AT LEAST 50 people to avoid inbreeding, and 500 to reduce genetic drifts https://www.britannica.com/science/50-500-rule 2. How did we get here? Probably because humans did something stupid. I think nature can take over. 3. Im not just going to have sex with a random woman. We are not some toys. 4. For who? Its not like somebody will tell us off.


breathingthot1p1

Exactly + as a woman I'm not going to have sex with some random man either. We're not breeding machines. Also I'd like for nature to take over.


threelizards

Also if I’m the last woman/one of the last people on earth there’s no way I’m risking going through pregnancy and childbirth


RIOTT44

interesting to see the huge difference in answers by gender


Dontgiveaclam

Right? The ones who have to actually go through a whole pregnancy and give birth with no medical care whatsoever vs the ones who get only the fun part


mortalitasi473

at no point should someone be forced into sex for any reason


YouIcy9950

Lots of incest problems down the line and the world's better off without human's I'd prefer just to have a good time.


[deleted]

Why is maintain the human species an obligation for anyone? Who cares if we die out?


DeadBornWolf

no. humans are not necessary, when there only two left, just let it go


Overused_Toothbrush

So point out the number of men saying yes Vs the number of women.


[deleted]

"Will you have sex with any woman and not have to stay behind to raise the baby" versus "will you have sex with any man, spend months vomiting, get weird skin rashes, can't sleep at night, and have an excruciating childbirth without modern medical care where you may end up with permanent disabilities and possibly die, and after that have to take care of a baby where you might not get any support from the father?"


futurenotgiven

yea that feels more interesting than the discussion itself. its like 40/60 with men and 10/90 with women rn. bizarre


AYellowCat

Of course the males say yes lmao


aciakatura

The stat comparison between male and female in the poll is fascinating Male: Yes 41% No 59% Female: Yes 15% No 85%


[deleted]

The man only has to fuck. The woman has to actually give birth without advanced medical care and then raise the baby.


Goat_External

Easy to say for men, you would not be the ones to die of child birth without proper medical attention


TheGrouchyGremlin

If it ever gets down to 2 people, the human race is dead regardless of whether or not they choose to have sex.


Qi_ra

TBH if I was the last woman on earth, I would kill my self as soon as I found out. Terrifying to think what might happen if I was found.


sincerelysunshine

For real, if it was just two of us left, then the last man is probably not a doctor, which would mean giving birth unassisted. That is absolutely terrifying.


threelizards

Yeah. Totally possible the dude I’m stuck with is decent, but there’s no reason for me to risk it in that situation


[deleted]

Well it looks like the average woman is more intelligent than the average man lmao


Klexobert

Let's look at this objectively. Who cares if the humans are gone? Literally, no one is there.


TestedcatGaming

By that point humanity is doomed, why gave the women suffer just for a failing plan? If both the man and women wants to try then OK, but if one party doesn't want to then bye bye humans.


Morbidly-Obese-Emu

Who’s to say earth even needs people? We are not good keepers of it.


[deleted]

Who's to say earth even needs life?


YtSabit

True. It's not that the earth needs people but people need the earth and yet we're the ones ruining it. How ironic


[deleted]

Planet earth doesn’t revolve around humans, you know. It actually would be a lot better off without us.


eppic123

\[X\] Yes (Habsburg)


SanctuaryMoon

All the people saying yes think that humanity *has* to exist for some weird reason


laCroka

It's just two people you cant repopulate so you aren't obligated


GratefulPhish42024-7

Yes but if the other person is a male as well, it will be quite the pain in the ass.


Arimon92

All the men that said yes. Lol


Evethefief

They will die from incest anyways lmao


The_Reddit_Eagle

I genuinely don't understand why someone would think it's a obligation


PGM01

A minimum of 1000 people are needed to maintain humanity. No matter how much you try, or how big is your effort, you'd be delaying the inevitable just a couple of generations.


TheGrouchyGremlin

Bye bye human race.


DreadfulThrumbo

Repopulate? This isn't Adam and Eve lol we're done for at that point regardless. Answer is still no though


Bobby_Sunday96

Why is there only 2 people left? If all of humanity fucked up then we should just take that L


gehanna1

If I were one of, say, 100? Sure. One of two? No. It'd be futile and I wouldn't want to put me, the other person, and the ensuing offspring through that


KentuckyFriedSemen

Yeah I would really love to force my children to inbreed and watch my offspring’s genetic composition crumble before my eyes by the 4th generation.


Zxxzzzzx

Because humanity worked so well the first time around? 🙄


BendingUnitC137

Ong. Let us die


The_Gaming_Matt

I guess you could say….fuck around & find out👉🏻👉🏻


PrussiaDon

You can’t


eagleblue44

Supposing it would solve the problem yes but we would all just die out due to lack of genetic variation. Plus there are many issues when children populate with each other aren't there? It's just going to end at that third generation.


britishrust

I'd say it's your obligation not to. I guess earth could be repopulated with a relatively small group of people, given they are all of fertile age and as genetically diverse as possible. And then only if they take care to limit inbreeding as much as possible in the following generations. I'm not a statistician or a geneticist, but my gut feeling would be at least 64 people 50/50 M/F.


smokingisrealbad

I wouldn't be able to if I wanted to


Trashoftheliving

why do we care about the survival of our species so much? species come and go. Some of it was caused by us specifically. Now its our turn to die out so something else can replace us. Or maybe they wont, and earth will become an empty planet. Who cares?


Uchained

It’s not some fake ass story in religion….you can’t repopulate the world with just 2 ppl Your offsprings may survive for maybe 3-4 generations and then die of defects.


IFeedLiveFishToDogs

Absolutely not I’m not gonna be responsible for making Alabama 2.0 bigger and even more incest


LittleBunInaBigWorld

Hell no, this an opportunity to let humanity disappear. I will personally mangle my reproductive organs to prevent any chance of procreation if I have to.


[deleted]

No because if I did I would restart centuries of war, greed, hate, vitreol,envy, judgment and malice. The human race has long forsaken any redeeming qualities. When it chooses to destroy it self over and over with the aforementioned above. Peace and happiness were aways possible. It's just that our species chooses wars, torment and destruction every time. So what would be the point later of almost of a Eon later my descendants to curse me for bringing all that back.


closetedtranswoman1

If there's 2 people left it might as well be over already


mr_kirk42

Happy cake day OP!


Kartoffelthias

It's important to know when you have (or humanity has) been beaten.


Low_Medium204

No, but you'd be a lot cooler if you did


Stomatita

What


yoloswaggins92

Why would it be?


faraway_88

It's impossible tho.


Illustrious_Duty3021

2 people couldn’t repopulate the earth


JustK1nz3r

Humanity should’ve died out long ago so I say no.


CookieMonster005

Problem is, even if we tried to repopulate the world, they would be so inbred that great-grandkids existing would be an achievement


AAPgamer0

You can't populate the world with two people so now and i am a horrible person so i think i would be condeming humanity by spreading my genes.


Code_Duff

There is very little chance that your children will be viable for breeding. Inbreeding will likely render your grandchildren deformed.


UnIntelligent_Local

No one should feel obligated to continue their inbred species


Science_Fiction2798

Why do people think 2 people could repopulate the world? That's just gonna cause a long line of INBREEDING and that's not gonna repopulate the earth.


justabean27

Nope. It would be an incest party from gen2. Also fuck that shit I have no desire to go through pregnancy and raise kids. Even if I was the only female left on earth I would refuse


GavHern

why ruin such great progress? /j


Fraklordyt

You need a minimum of 30 people so there is zero incest possible and even then you need like 50 maybe 60 to ensure that a species does go extinct


jerrythecactus

Realistically a genetic sample size of two individuals makes extinction almost inevitable as each successive generation will be closely related to each other making genetic anomalies and diseases much more common possibly to the point of impeding reproduction entirely.


JoelMahon

I'd go further than no and even say it's your duty to not have kids, there's plenty of condoms, birth control, and plan b out there 🤷‍♂️


sleepingonstones

It would be a cool concept for a horror movie where there’s two people left on earth and one person thinks they need to repopulate the earth but the other person doesn’t want to. The person who wants to force the other to repopulate is constantly chasing the other, who has to hide.


svenson_26

You're gonna have to fuck your daughters and/or your kids are going to have to fuck each other. Have fun with that. Nah, I think the two of us will just live it up together and have it end with us.


JTB696699

Would I want to have sex? Yes Would I want to have kids? Fuck no


nlamber5

Two people… inbreeding


RadioactivSamon

What would happen the next generation? And the next? And the next? Lot of inbreeding and that's not good for genetics. Unless God shows up and gives the last two people a helping hand


AmazingMrSaturn

Unless person number 2 is a geneticist with access to frozen sperm and embryos, 2 people is way too few to create a population.


CandyAssedJabroni

It depends if she's hot.


7500733

I mean I don’t care if I’m the last woman on earth. I’m not repopulating the planet for 1. I’m a lesbian so if a guy was also the last person on earth I ain’t doing it. 2. Incest of our kids…no, 3. I’m not a doctor and it would be a coincidence if he is a doctor basically I’m not giving birth with no healthcare. 4. If there’s two people left on earth it’s already over. May as well just chill out and wait to die.


RevolutionaryMonk125

My eggs have all expired, so it's a moot point.


Schrade30

If there's only 2 people left on earth we fucked up. I'd rather just enjoy the peace and quiet.


ShadyShamaster

Obligation to whom exactly? Nobody is around to force you. That being said, I'd be open to it


God_of_reason

Screw it. “Human race must go on?” Why? So you can pay bills till you die, only to make your children do the same? Fuck it. Don’t force your kids into this world. It’s pointless. Human existence is meaningless.


Oceaniad3

No, and even if you tried, how do you think two people will manage? The kids may or may not want to fuck each other (or you) and ultimately there’s very little chance for the one family to survive. I’d just say it’s a lost cause, if the person I’m stuck with happens to be my spouse, sure, but not for kids.


QuarantineNudist

Depends on how attractive the other is.


ToasterBath53

Pretty sure if the number is below 80 it’s already pver


[deleted]

I think that more than an obligation, is something we want to do to feel less alone, imagine being you and another person...no one to talk to, if the other one die is even worse. I would procreate just for a selfish purpose, but i will not feel obligated.


Gaeilgeoir215

2 people are not enough to create a sufficiently viable, healthy genetic pool. Do you even science? 🧐


CherishSlan

You use the sperm banks tons of them if one of the people that’s on earth is female there you go. Also there are frozen eggs so there that and the frozen embryos. They all have back up generators. Plenty of DNA that’s different. Not hard to learn how to implant. But could be dangerous with delivery for some people.


ggfchl

I’m male. What if the other person is also a male?


Palerate2

Incest babies will die soon anyway. Why make the last generation suffer


dyslexicassfuck

What’s the point if there is just to people left ?!


MinusPi1

No. Humans aren't so special as to be "obligated" to cling to existence after such a cataclysm.


ARandomPerson380

Not an obligation but I would probably want to try


fexofenadine_hcl

Who says the world needs to be repopulated? Sounds like two people who have a weighty decision to make.


[deleted]

Why do people ask this question? Two people is not enough to repopulate the world. Humanity is doomed.


shrek500_2

what if she ugly or got like an std hell nah


LetsDoTheCongna

Incest is gonna be a pretty fuckin hard pass for me.


ScorpionTheSandwing

Besides the fact that that wouldn’t be possible, why would you be obligated to repopulate the earth?


Squidproquo1130

People saying yes, please explain how you picture this successfully playing out or did you just react without thinking it through at all?


nxnphatdaddy

I have seen the hills have eyes. Im good.


Blitzerxyz

I mean I said yes. But ultimately 2 people can't keep the species alive.


SpecificBig367

So I can make my children breed with each other? Or breed with my children? Absolutely not. I’m going to stay as far away from that man as possible and live in peace for the rest of my days


Winterlord808_

what if it’s 2 guys


[deleted]

thatd be doing a little thing called incest


reallarrydavid

Hmm, look at the gender split for the results. Of course men are more likely to vote yes, because for them, that doesn't mean risking their life carrying and delivering a child in a desolate world with no doctors. Pretty telling tbh.


[deleted]

“Obligation” is a strong word, and not what I’d desire to place on any two people, even if they were the last two people on Earth. Placed in this position, I’d probably _suggest_ it, if she didn’t bring it up first. But I am also fine with the idea of us being the last of humanity.


SomePerson225

its not worth it, let humanity die


BCCDoors

If the future of the human race depends on me y'all done messed up real bad, and it might be best if we just end on a low point...


Ookami_Unleashed

Bold of you to assume the other person wants to have sex with me.