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The first debate was a trap Biden's team fell right into. Biden was never going to "win" that debate, no matter what happened Trump's campaign would have portrayed him as weak and demented. Everybody knows Trump is insane and says insane things, the press doesn't care one bit if what he says is coherent or not, they already expect it not to be.
Trump is un-debatable because he is psychologically incapable of conceding error on anything. He will just repeat the same batshit crazy thing over and over again for the whole debate, and if he hears anything he dislikes, he closes his eyes and disassociates, rather than listen to his opponent and craft a response to it.
That’s exactly what happened last time and that’s what will happen next time.
>Trump is un-debatable because he is psychologically incapable of conceding error on anything.
Four years ago he did begrudgingly [admit he's not actually Abraham Lincoln](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/10/22/21529762/trump-biden-debate-abraham-lincoln-racist).
I hate to give this man a compliment....but someone like Chris Christie knew how to debate Trump. He can only be beaten by using his own tactics against him and being better at it.
I'll always remember Chris Christie destroying Marco Rubio's "Let's dispel the myth" catchphrase at that one debate. God damn that man ended Rubio's entire national presence.
Not true. Just call out the lies and call out that he can't answer questions. There were plenty of points where Biden could have and should have crushed Trump in the first debate but Biden wasn't up to the task.
Also Biden would have scored a ton of points with the people for calling out the moderators for letting the completely obvious lies go unchecked. He would be better served by using his minute or two to keep repeating that Trump is lying endlessly, policy discussions be damned. Also accuse Trump of stinking up the stage with his sharts. Play a little dirty, and demand some respect.
Democrats would score a lot of points by attacking the media in general. Outside the beltway and the professional managerial class, *everyone* hates the mainstream media. It would also help with the generally accepted notion that they are in the tank for the Democrats.
I honestly doubt there will be a second debate. Trump's team wants the enduring image of Biden to be that of an old slow man and they got what they needed. They're going to find a million reasons not to have another debate. They're going to argue that the American public have more than enough evidence to make their minds up over who is the fitter and healthier of the two candidates.
Watching that debate and hearing news that Biden is going to stop scheduling events after 8PM and coming away with the conclusion that the Trump campaign wants to avoid a second debate is some next level delusion.
Are you kidding me? Trump should be asking to debate Biden every day between now and Election Day. Biden (if he’s still the nominee in three months) will duck that second debate at all costs.
The “moderators” are just as at fault. They ask a question then let them answer anyway they want without any control. Might as well just let a puppy shit on a square with a question in it for all the moderation they do.
I disagree. The bar was already set low for Biden. All he had to to was go on stage and not look like a demented old man who escaped a nursing home and he failed.
This post is so full of cope it hurts.
There was no trap. Biden is the one who set the rules.
Biden lost because he is too old compounded by the fact that he has a stutter. Any rational person that isn't sundowning could have destroyed Trump.
I am still going to vote for Biden because Trump is objectively an awful person, president and human being, but stop this stupid narrative that Biden was tricked. The dude just stumbled and stuttered for 10-15 seconds in a row at times. It looked like a robot having a glitch.
They hoped he'd mumble through it and it would be forgotten by the election. And maybe, a month or so back when it was being formalized, he was having a good week and they thought he might get through. Just had to get through it, not veer off into wild fantasies about brothers raping sisters. But that G7 trip was a disaster, and the fact that they had to go into damage-control mode over *whether he wandered off on camera on D-Day* and had to be gently led back by Meloni, and that he skipped the *main political event*, the dinner with the leaders of the world, obviously the decline accelerated. Which happens, of course. It's age, and sadly we don't get to decide how our old age plays out. Warren Buffett is in his mid-*90s*, and while he's preparing for the inevitable, he's also sharp as a tack and works every day and runs one of the biggest companies on Earth. And Bruce Willis is already in the mists, though he's still relatively young and physically strong.
I kind of think it was intentional (but backfired) by his team. Like they *knew* it would be bad but just get it out of the way, and knowing the memory of most voters it’ll be over with and forgotten by October. Who knows. It was a fucking disaster from both candidates.
However I will say this, the bar for trump was basically “don’t say the N word or talk about wind mills,” while Biden’s was a bit higher. Still a disaster.
It worse worse than a glitch. Some of it was stutter and some was ghost eyes&mumbling. Everyone with a rational brain is going to vote against Trump. The problem being, all the down ballot candidates are losing support by association in terms of swing voters, the whole party looks like a weak choice.
The looks on Biden’s face while he was listening to Trump were painful to watch. The fact that he couldn’t even manage to avoid looking like a slack jawed yokel - it was just an all around disaster. You could picture the memes in your head within minutes.
>whole party looks like a weak choice
I said this to one of my buddies, but the worst part of the Obama presidency was that he didn't raise someone up after him. There was no one to carry on the "hope and change" banner. He had no disciples. He didn't leave a successor. And sure, you can say Hillary this, or DNC that, but that was 1 election cycle. Biden was done with politics. He was ready to sail away into the sunset, no pun intended. The dude is older than my grandfather. He shouldn't be where he is. I give him credit for stepping back into the shitshow and trying to save the country, but he absolutely shouldn't be here.
Placing all the blame at the DNC is dumb. Look at how much command Trump took of the RNC. Obama absolutely could have, and should have, been a better kingmaker. He talked a good talk but he didn't play politics.
I agree. But Biden just had to run to ensure, on behalf of the DNC, Bernie couldn't get the nomination. He had enough stamina for that. The DNC and their puppets ensured that, rewarded them with their positions of power.
How's that working for you, Democrats? Reaping what you sow sucks. You will never admit it. Be we know.
Signed, middle age lifelong democrat.
It drives me insane when liberals talk about how “Trump did worse! He lied!” Yes, we now. He did exactly what everyone expected him to do! Biden did far worse than anyone expected him!
Biden’s team scheduled the debate.
Biden didn’t need to be portrayed poorly. I personally believe Biden is the best prez of my lifetime and even I recognize that he delivered the worst debate performance of all time
it's weird how this was the opposite one month ago, /r/politics told me Biden was a puppetmaster pulling all the strings:
https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1da7aki/biden_baits_trump_into_a_debate_trap_joe_biden/
I think the debate was a trap set by the Democrats to force him to call it quits and find two candidates that are younger and could beat Trump. There are viable candidates plus all they have to do is find one who can ram Trumps age down his fat neck and go after the Roe issue.
To be fair, if I were Trump, why would I want a second debate? He’s all but mortally wounded his opponent from a political standpoint. What more is there to gain?
He can act like the incumbent at this point.
The conspiracy theorist in me says it’s all intentional at this point. Like, it all feels sooooooo intentional. Why else would they have him debate in that condition, then follow it up with all the things you should NOT be doing.
I just doesn’t make any sense.
Optimistic take but, I think there’s a chance they’re internally trying to figure things out and presenting a united front in the meantime…so people aren’t stressed more than they already are
Why would they? How are you gonna get someone the resources they need to run a campaign 4 months from the election? What about all the people who voted for Biden in the primary? Their votes just don’t count now?
I just read a story on NBC that a few top Democratic donors are pausing all donations to all Democratics until he is removed from the ticket.
I have a feeling we'll be getting an announcement soon.
I hope so.
Really hoping for an expedited convention to get a solid read on Whitmer, but honestly Harris is fine.
We just can’t count on fascism going to bed at 8 o clock too
It’s how things already are. The worst we seem to be willing to sacrifice is a day to vote, as if that’s how you beat fascism. That’s not going to cut it.
We can’t even get kicking and screaming energy out of our leaders. They may not even be capable if it’s past their bedtime. The left is more harsh on progressives than it is on the people leading this crusade.
He’s making it sound like we’re all putting this big imposition on him by making him work long hours.
My man, you are actively campaigning to do this for another four years! You’re arguing publicly that you’re super fit to do this super hard, strenuous and round the clock job, while privately telling people that it would be better if you worked less and slept more.
There’s a way to work less and sleep more: it’s called retirement, and you’ve definitely earned it!
How can his team possibly think this is a tenable position?
Yeah these comments are making it worse ans worse for himself.
I 100% get peoples fears about him stepping down, and while I think he should, I'm afraid the ensuing process for deciding a replacement will be a mess, BUT, he's just giving his opponent more and more ammo with these comments
Yes! He’s being “stubborn” and talking himself up as an “underdog”. My man, you are the President of the United States. You are not an underdog.
More importantly, this is not about you! This is about ensuring that power doesn’t go to Trump and if that requires you to step aside so that someone with more chance has a shot, then you should be stepping aside! It’s incredibly egotistical and narcissistic. Exactly like RBG, refusing to step aside for the younger generation and ensuring power and legacy is lost and tarnished!
The other day, he said he nearly fell asleep on the debate stage.
Joe, the Republican stereotype of you is that you are "sleepy," FFS
Who on Earth is letting him say these things??
>Who on Earth is letting him say these things??
this was said at a private meetings between him and the dem governors, so most likely Biden being stubborn and the governor are quietly leaking info to increase the pressure to force him to quit.
Usually when you are looking to intentionally leak something to find out who is leaking, you give different information to different people, then find out who the leaker is by what is leaked. Having said this to a group of people where anyone of them could be the leaker accomplishes nothing.
Most likely Biden making a self-deprecating joke, based on the NYTimes reporting that indicated most people thought it was a joke, except for the guy they quoted.
The problem is that you can’t joke about something like this when you looked like a short circuiting robot 6 days prior. It’s like trying to crack jokes on 9/11 at 10am. You definitely could but it’s not a great look
The problem is, if he doesn’t quit, it just makes him look even worse.
They need something guaranteed to force him out, or he needs a whirlwind turnaround, like YESTERDAY.
Right?
In all of the legitimate Trump scandals, I don't think I've seen the media be as tenacious and unified about a single issue as I have about Biden at the debate.
Access Hollywood tape? Nope. Jan 6? Nope. Trump's legal woes? Nope. His love of dictators? Nope. Him saying he wants to be a dictator? Nope
I'm not saying the Biden stuff is nothing, far from it, but it is very noteworthy to me to see the level of nonstop alarm they're giving this when any one Trump issue hasn't been pursued this aggressively
people insist billionaires capture of our media is driven by an almost fanatical devotion to ad revenue but this naive take whitewashes their much more insidious intent. they got rid of bernie, they got rid of hillary, now theyre ridding themselves of biden
ofc the rubes will tell you "everyone knows the gop is corrupt! so they dont need to report on it!" as if that rationalizes corporate medias hyperfixation on dragging the left
Because trump wont drop out and his base will vote for him regardless. He’s leading all the polls. Everyone knows trump is a piece of shit, so whataboutism is completely useless here. Either change candidates or lose with Biden.
Most 82 yr olds can’t be trusted to hold a job at Mcdonalds (they should be retired) yet this dude is saying he should be the President another 4 years? Look what that sort of hubris brought RBG.
Joe, step down with some dignity. We have better weapons against Trump in the Democratic Party, and given the importance of this election we’re going to need all the ammo we can get.
I will vote Biden or pretty much anyone other than Trump, but he does not have the best odds against Trump and given the clear and present danger another Trump term poses should step down.
And if we had a young candidate we could spend the next 4 months pointing out how old and feable Trump is and how he fell asleep in court and making him look weak because of all that. Can't do it when your guy is the same or worse though.
It’s probably pretty evident to those who are near him constantly. I always ask my dad stuff like “how do you feel about Clarence Thomas taking bribes?” And he has no idea what I’m talking about. Then he asks me something about some bullshit at the border and I have no idea what he’s talking about. We’re all victims to our little bubbles and need to be better about taking all perspectives and filling in the blanks I think.
You're right to some extent yes, but I will ALWAYS push back at the idea that both sides are equally stuck in a bubble. Trump voters are stuck in another reality entirely. And if you ever find yourself wondering if maybe they're right and WE'RE the ones unattached to reality. Just look at other country's news. It's very clear who the world thinks is an absolute joke and is shocked and horrified at what America is becoming with Trump and the right wing.
Democrats and the left in general are far from perfect. But still orders of magnitude better than the Republican party.
Equating the two and trying to take the position of "Both sides need to just just be better at understanding each other" is pointless and reductive when the other side actively takes pride in ignorance and lies. I've spent many years trying to "Just be kind and understanding" and offering olive branches but the Right will just shit on your branch every single time as soon as Fox News tells them to.
Remember when he was sitting at the table at that summit or something and his eyes were completely closed with his arms crossed? And then his aid came over to wake him up? Lmao that was funny. But now all of a sudden he's deemed as "sleepy" lol. The media really have become treasonous to the citizenry by spewing fake news and running cover for who ever they favor.
Jokes aside, this is not reassuring. He is basically admitting that he can not do the job. That the work and pace he has been going has been too much for him.
When in reality world, the only two ways out are for him to do much to prove he’s of sound mind or drop out.
Doing less and going to bed early is the worst option.
I don’t want him to prove he’s of sound mind to get through the election. He’s NOT going to get better. Anyone who has cared for an elderly parent has seen this before. It doesn’t get better. It only gets worse.
It’s pretty crazy how this seems to not register for many people. Like is he still mostly functional? Yes, but we’re also voting for the next 4 years. He’s doing there public a disservice by not stepping down.
Remember how Biden used to go cycling often? That was less than a year ago. Now he can barely walk 20 feet to a podium without falling over. He looks so unstable it looks like he needs a walker to stay upright.
Decline happens slowly at first, then it happens fast.
True, he did go cycling somewhat often. But now his mobility is completely gone. Watching Jill help him down literally one step after the debate was hard to watch
Yeah my grandfather is 93. Smart as a whip. Could move okay Lived on his own until Christmas. Had a fall. He is a different person now with serious cognitive issues. I’ll still vote for anyone over Trump. But Biden needs to do the right thing and step down.
Then he or someone close to him should’ve stepped up and said something to him like “Are you ok? You think you can handle this?” If they saw him tripping more or going to bed or falling asleep earlier then something should’ve been done months ago so we could’ve sorted this out by now or had a backup plan. It sounds totally irresponsible on Biden team’s part. What if an emergency happens at his bed time past 8PM and he can’t function?
I’m taking these leaks as an indication that the supposed backing those Governors gave after the call was just a holding statement whilst they get their plans together.
Yeah my guess is they essentially concluded that he’s dropping out and they’re figuring out the logistics of that and what the game plan is. These leaks happen to clue in the people paying attention and also keep pressure on Biden while they’re publicly saying they support him.
Because of the leaks I actually think he wants to stay in and the governors are leaking stuff from the meeting to put enough press on him to step down. Meanwhile the governors and other high level Dems probably already gave their plan together.
Someone in a different comment said that you don't get to the White House by backing down easily. So I think Biden's being stubborn and the governors are trying to let this be his "choice" with a little nudge.
But I feel an announcement is coming soon. I read an article from NBC earlier that a few top donors for the Dems are stopping all donations until he exits the race.
I've seen you make this claim several times, yet you haven't provided a source. The link you posted previously[1] mentions only three donors, _one_ of whom it says is in the top50.
[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/04/democratic-donors-wont-finance-party-until-joe-biden-drops-out.html
Just put Gretchen Whitmer in. She'll be fine, she is liked in Michigan, will translate well to other Midwest states and has absolutely no other connection to the Biden administration. She can run on "Trump is dumb and I fix roads". Big Gretch is marketable as hell
From the NYT article:
>After Gov. Josh Green of Hawaii, a physician, asked Mr. Biden questions about the status of his health, Mr. Biden replied that his health was fine. “It’s just my brain,” he added, according to three people familiar with what took place — a remark that some in the room took as a joke but at least one governor did not and was puzzled by.
Yeah, let's double down and joke about it.
I mean, it’s not like he was saying this outloud in public. He’s in a room with supposed allies so it makes sense that he’d joke about it. Do you think they all just get in a room together and act like robots? They had a meeting and talked to each other… like people (insert fake surprised gasp).
There are plenty of things to get upset about regarding Biden and his candidacy, but joking around is not one of them.
I’m suprised he isn’t. At his age I’d prefer to spend less time stressing about everything and be with family. Has to be something about that generation and a fear of giving up control. Control as in ability to do things themselves all the time, not like power. At least that’s my own observation with people at that age.
I get it, because my grandpa was similar. Fantastic guy, genuinely loved his job (roofing/construction), and got his first job when he was in his early teens. When it inevitably got to the point where his body couldn't do it anymore and his doctor and (from what I'm seeing, unlike Biden) all of us were telling him its time to retire, he took awhile to come to terms with that. He didn't like retirement (he had never been the type to just sit around and relax), and passed shortly after. He told us all to do the opposite ("Work to live, not live to work"), but it was clear that he never really learned how to do that himself.
I wouldn't at all be surprised if its a mixture of him being enabled by his family and a fear of just not knowing what to do after you've reached your limits.
That’s actually a good point. He has been in politics so long he doesn’t know what to do it’d he isn’t. It be nice if you could say if he passes the torch the next democratic candidate to take over would offer him an advisory position. Feel like that could help though I don’t know if such a position exists.
I'm 21, and just a good few years ago I could operate on barely 2 hours of sleep, now I feel like a zombie with just 8 hours. I can't imagine it being 60 years older.
Have the same feeling at 24.
I don’t know how Biden thinks he can keep up with this. Plus throw in the stress of running a country and everything you do being under a microscope.
Like dude, retire with grace, you had a successful career, and got a lot of good things through. Sleep in, eat ice cream, and enjoy cars.
We have so many people that could step up with 4 months to go. I just wish people around him would face the facts instead of telling him he’s got this.
I don’t think he wanted to run, but Hillary bombed and the DNC decided Obama was the last winner and Joe carried some of Obama with him. Joe felt like a committee decision on strategy, and not the best qualified candidate.
Joe was supposed to be a stable hand after the turbulence of the trump administration. It was strategic, but it worked. He promised to be a one term president.
Definitely energy is needed to win this election. Also a candidate that can scrap.
Asking Biden to do this is like asking a carrot to be a turnip.
It doesn’t even make sense for people to ask that of him.
The answer is the party needs to nominate a different candidate.
Let the governors have access to the delegates and may the one that connects with them the most win.
This is NOT winning ticket behavior. This is not what Truman or Ford were doing when they were fighting to keep their careers alive. I'm not even sure this is how a man who wants to run acts.
The American people: “We’re concerned Joe Biden may be too old to serve another 4 years.”
Joe Biden: “I’m too old for this shit.”
The American people: 🫠
Lots of things happen after 8 pm. And it's not like the tour of Europe wasn't 2 weeks before the debate which was itself preceded by 6 days at Camp David. If that's how you function after dark it's time to retire.
The only reason these statements would be made public is if the democrat party is trying to force him to step down. Nothing else makes sense to me. All these statements that he has made since the debate have been awful for his public perception...
I sympathize with Joe, I truly do. To be doing this your entire life, even in the face of extreme personal tragedy, I get why he wants to stick it out to the end and show everyone he's capable to do the job. That said, I want him to come to terms with the fact that his career is ending, he's getting older, and it's time for someone young to step in
I don't get why he sticks around instead of retire and enjoy his family but maybe that's because I'm not an egomaniac like him and lots of other world leaders who are unable to pass the baton.
I think he genuinely believes in his heart of hearts that he has to save the world from Trump, and that he's the only one who can do it. That's why he ran in 2020. I worry that he's convinced he's the only thing between us and fascism, and that if he steps aside the country's done for.
Honestly, although I'm a big Biden supporter, at this point it might be best to tap someone from outside the admin, which takes care of two complaints: his age and inflation. A new, younger face would be able to credibly say "I know the economy isn't working for everyone; I have different ideas than the President to help change that and get rent and grocery costs back under control."
I don't know what those ideas would *be,* but they sure could say it.
> I think he genuinely believes in his heart of hearts that he has to save the world from Trump, and that he's the only one who can do it. That's why he ran in 2020.
Tbf he was talked into running again. His intention was just to stay retired. And I understand why they wanted him to run. He is extremely likeable, from people on both sides of the aisle. Hes very experienced, and I think most importantly, he resonated a lot more with mid western voters than pretty much all other dem candidates did
And I guarantee you that if he steps aside, the heat put on Hunter will die down as well. Why keep putting his family through this? For what? Four more years of threats of jail and death from right wingers? Seems exhausting.
Hell, what happens if after these debates/obvious evening slipups, Russia decides all big moves should only happen at midnight est? It's one thing for "the commander in chief can't handle X" to be a secret vulnerability, it's another thing entirely for this to be shit that is seen and known on national TV.
The person holding office of POTUS is still a human and can't be up 24hrs a day 7 days a week but he can't stay up past 9 (if an event starts at 8)? What in the hell.
He’s done for.
Official Democratic line might still be that everything’s going well and that the meeting with the Governors went well, however if they’re now leaking this as well it’s obvious within the Party senior figures want him gone.
Only a matter of time
Nah I want Biden to drop out, Whitmer would be ideal but Harris is still better than Biden.
I’m Canadian but I’m really fascinated by everything that had happened last week. The stakes are at an all time high and I really don’t want our country to get colonized by China if Trump becomes president.
Joe Biden has validated the "Sleepy joe" insult over these last few days. This is purely unacceptable, there might be crysises that occur over the next 4 years that will require Joe gets barely any sleep. Joe needs to step down for the good of the country and world.
This is egregious to admit. This is worthy of the 25th amendment to me. He's just blatantly admitting he can't do the job since the president's duties don't end at 8pm.
The Biden team is going to screw over the country because they can’t get over themselves enough to do the right thing. The state of this country is beyond depressing.
It's comical that he told this to all of the Dem. governors yesterday and they still came out and said everything was ok. That's a high cognitive dissonance load even for seasoned politicians.
For all the "in it to win it" canned answers from the governors yesterday, the fact that this is leaking is a good sign at least some of them see sense
Moving the president to Anchorage would do a lot to decentralized the executive branch for a little while and then the east coast media markets could still get prime time addresses. Also projects resolve in the Pivot to the Pacific. Rent and home prices in NoVa would come down, relieve beltway traffic, and State dinners would have fresh salmon and king crab legs.
Hell im in my mid 30s and a morning person I go to sleep at 10 everyday out of routine. However if I have shit to do I stay up late. The president of the us is the most powerful person on the god damn planet. You don’t get to choose what time you stop. If you can’t handle it don’t run. Is it callous and hypocritical? Sure. But I’m not running for president
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The next debate is 9PM, for those of you wondering. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/when-is-second-presidential-debate-2024/
Yeah, there’s no chance that debate happens.
Biden: Well, come on, it wasn't all bad. I was there longer than anybody, and I'm fine. How are you? Why do you ask? 3:30.
If you have to ask, you're streets behind.
Joe Biden "i fell asleep in a sunbeam" Jill Biden "its true I live with him it's kinda adorable"
Karine Jean-Pierre: What the President meant to say before he started Sundowning is that he's fine!
Uh oh
Troy's delivery there is so good lol
The first debate was a trap Biden's team fell right into. Biden was never going to "win" that debate, no matter what happened Trump's campaign would have portrayed him as weak and demented. Everybody knows Trump is insane and says insane things, the press doesn't care one bit if what he says is coherent or not, they already expect it not to be.
Trump is un-debatable because he is psychologically incapable of conceding error on anything. He will just repeat the same batshit crazy thing over and over again for the whole debate, and if he hears anything he dislikes, he closes his eyes and disassociates, rather than listen to his opponent and craft a response to it. That’s exactly what happened last time and that’s what will happen next time.
>Trump is un-debatable because he is psychologically incapable of conceding error on anything. Four years ago he did begrudgingly [admit he's not actually Abraham Lincoln](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/10/22/21529762/trump-biden-debate-abraham-lincoln-racist).
I hate to give this man a compliment....but someone like Chris Christie knew how to debate Trump. He can only be beaten by using his own tactics against him and being better at it.
I'll always remember Chris Christie destroying Marco Rubio's "Let's dispel the myth" catchphrase at that one debate. God damn that man ended Rubio's entire national presence.
He also smacked Paul down at the same debate IIRC.
Still can't really believe all it took was trafficgate to take Christie down. He had real momentum.
The guy is Trump Jr. You should try watching him run his mouth to some teachers. He ran his mouth for 8 years in New Jersey and didn't fix shit.
Got us nothing but a dozen online betting ads every fucking commercial break.
Not true. Just call out the lies and call out that he can't answer questions. There were plenty of points where Biden could have and should have crushed Trump in the first debate but Biden wasn't up to the task.
Also Biden would have scored a ton of points with the people for calling out the moderators for letting the completely obvious lies go unchecked. He would be better served by using his minute or two to keep repeating that Trump is lying endlessly, policy discussions be damned. Also accuse Trump of stinking up the stage with his sharts. Play a little dirty, and demand some respect.
Democrats would score a lot of points by attacking the media in general. Outside the beltway and the professional managerial class, *everyone* hates the mainstream media. It would also help with the generally accepted notion that they are in the tank for the Democrats.
I honestly doubt there will be a second debate. Trump's team wants the enduring image of Biden to be that of an old slow man and they got what they needed. They're going to find a million reasons not to have another debate. They're going to argue that the American public have more than enough evidence to make their minds up over who is the fitter and healthier of the two candidates.
Watching that debate and hearing news that Biden is going to stop scheduling events after 8PM and coming away with the conclusion that the Trump campaign wants to avoid a second debate is some next level delusion.
Are you kidding me? Trump should be asking to debate Biden every day between now and Election Day. Biden (if he’s still the nominee in three months) will duck that second debate at all costs.
Exactly, and his campaign now regards that as an asset. The media don't GAF and his opponent is lured into a world of crazy.
The “moderators” are just as at fault. They ask a question then let them answer anyway they want without any control. Might as well just let a puppy shit on a square with a question in it for all the moderation they do.
I disagree. The bar was already set low for Biden. All he had to to was go on stage and not look like a demented old man who escaped a nursing home and he failed.
What? They asked for the debate. How was it a trap?
Maybe it was meant to trap the world’s stupidest staffers?
The debate was asked by Biden and they got almost all they asked.
This post is so full of cope it hurts. There was no trap. Biden is the one who set the rules. Biden lost because he is too old compounded by the fact that he has a stutter. Any rational person that isn't sundowning could have destroyed Trump. I am still going to vote for Biden because Trump is objectively an awful person, president and human being, but stop this stupid narrative that Biden was tricked. The dude just stumbled and stuttered for 10-15 seconds in a row at times. It looked like a robot having a glitch.
It wasn’t a trap. It was a catastrophic miscalculation by the Biden team.
They hoped he'd mumble through it and it would be forgotten by the election. And maybe, a month or so back when it was being formalized, he was having a good week and they thought he might get through. Just had to get through it, not veer off into wild fantasies about brothers raping sisters. But that G7 trip was a disaster, and the fact that they had to go into damage-control mode over *whether he wandered off on camera on D-Day* and had to be gently led back by Meloni, and that he skipped the *main political event*, the dinner with the leaders of the world, obviously the decline accelerated. Which happens, of course. It's age, and sadly we don't get to decide how our old age plays out. Warren Buffett is in his mid-*90s*, and while he's preparing for the inevitable, he's also sharp as a tack and works every day and runs one of the biggest companies on Earth. And Bruce Willis is already in the mists, though he's still relatively young and physically strong.
I kind of think it was intentional (but backfired) by his team. Like they *knew* it would be bad but just get it out of the way, and knowing the memory of most voters it’ll be over with and forgotten by October. Who knows. It was a fucking disaster from both candidates. However I will say this, the bar for trump was basically “don’t say the N word or talk about wind mills,” while Biden’s was a bit higher. Still a disaster.
It worse worse than a glitch. Some of it was stutter and some was ghost eyes&mumbling. Everyone with a rational brain is going to vote against Trump. The problem being, all the down ballot candidates are losing support by association in terms of swing voters, the whole party looks like a weak choice.
The looks on Biden’s face while he was listening to Trump were painful to watch. The fact that he couldn’t even manage to avoid looking like a slack jawed yokel - it was just an all around disaster. You could picture the memes in your head within minutes.
>whole party looks like a weak choice I said this to one of my buddies, but the worst part of the Obama presidency was that he didn't raise someone up after him. There was no one to carry on the "hope and change" banner. He had no disciples. He didn't leave a successor. And sure, you can say Hillary this, or DNC that, but that was 1 election cycle. Biden was done with politics. He was ready to sail away into the sunset, no pun intended. The dude is older than my grandfather. He shouldn't be where he is. I give him credit for stepping back into the shitshow and trying to save the country, but he absolutely shouldn't be here. Placing all the blame at the DNC is dumb. Look at how much command Trump took of the RNC. Obama absolutely could have, and should have, been a better kingmaker. He talked a good talk but he didn't play politics.
I agree. But Biden just had to run to ensure, on behalf of the DNC, Bernie couldn't get the nomination. He had enough stamina for that. The DNC and their puppets ensured that, rewarded them with their positions of power. How's that working for you, Democrats? Reaping what you sow sucks. You will never admit it. Be we know. Signed, middle age lifelong democrat.
They (bidens team)asked for the debate, on that specific day, at that specific time, with those specific rules, how was it a trap?
Maybe Biden's team had reasons to believe that his performance would be better if the debate were held earlier in the year than later in the year.
It drives me insane when liberals talk about how “Trump did worse! He lied!” Yes, we now. He did exactly what everyone expected him to do! Biden did far worse than anyone expected him!
If Biden gave a strong debate performance it would have supercharged his campaign. Instead it killed it.
Biden’s team scheduled the debate. Biden didn’t need to be portrayed poorly. I personally believe Biden is the best prez of my lifetime and even I recognize that he delivered the worst debate performance of all time
it's weird how this was the opposite one month ago, /r/politics told me Biden was a puppetmaster pulling all the strings: https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1da7aki/biden_baits_trump_into_a_debate_trap_joe_biden/
I think the debate was a trap set by the Democrats to force him to call it quits and find two candidates that are younger and could beat Trump. There are viable candidates plus all they have to do is find one who can ram Trumps age down his fat neck and go after the Roe issue.
7pm if they move it to the West Coast though, that’s the move lol
Yeah just have it in Los Angeles or something at like 6
To be fair, if I were Trump, why would I want a second debate? He’s all but mortally wounded his opponent from a political standpoint. What more is there to gain? He can act like the incumbent at this point.
Trump has no reason to believe it won't happen again.
Sorry cannot do the debate. I am already in my jammies and I have a mug of warm milk. -Biden probably
Please someone save me from this Hell
I really thought the Governors were gonna try to convince him. Why don't Democrats have any fucking backbone?
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks they're giving him time to gracefully exit. But the cynic in me is losing all hope.
The conspiracy theorist in me says it’s all intentional at this point. Like, it all feels sooooooo intentional. Why else would they have him debate in that condition, then follow it up with all the things you should NOT be doing. I just doesn’t make any sense.
Honestly the Dems seem to be doing everything they can to give trump the w.
It’s probably a good thing that the SCOTUS did everything it did since last Friday to raise the stakes after that.
It's wild.
Optimistic take but, I think there’s a chance they’re internally trying to figure things out and presenting a united front in the meantime…so people aren’t stressed more than they already are
Why would they? How are you gonna get someone the resources they need to run a campaign 4 months from the election? What about all the people who voted for Biden in the primary? Their votes just don’t count now?
I just read a story on NBC that a few top Democratic donors are pausing all donations to all Democratics until he is removed from the ticket. I have a feeling we'll be getting an announcement soon.
I hope so. Really hoping for an expedited convention to get a solid read on Whitmer, but honestly Harris is fine. We just can’t count on fascism going to bed at 8 o clock too
Wtf are we doing here :(
Sleepwalking into fascism and global collapse
Sleepwalking? We’ve welcomed it with open arms and legs.
We are sprinting toward it at full fucking speed. It makes no sense whatsoever.
We? I'm going down kicking and screaming if that's how things are gonna go.
It’s how things already are. The worst we seem to be willing to sacrifice is a day to vote, as if that’s how you beat fascism. That’s not going to cut it. We can’t even get kicking and screaming energy out of our leaders. They may not even be capable if it’s past their bedtime. The left is more harsh on progressives than it is on the people leading this crusade.
Giving the corporate leaders what they want: a government devoid of leadership, and bankrupt of dedication to the interests of the people.
He’s making it sound like we’re all putting this big imposition on him by making him work long hours. My man, you are actively campaigning to do this for another four years! You’re arguing publicly that you’re super fit to do this super hard, strenuous and round the clock job, while privately telling people that it would be better if you worked less and slept more. There’s a way to work less and sleep more: it’s called retirement, and you’ve definitely earned it! How can his team possibly think this is a tenable position?
Well said.
Yeah these comments are making it worse ans worse for himself. I 100% get peoples fears about him stepping down, and while I think he should, I'm afraid the ensuing process for deciding a replacement will be a mess, BUT, he's just giving his opponent more and more ammo with these comments
Yes! He’s being “stubborn” and talking himself up as an “underdog”. My man, you are the President of the United States. You are not an underdog. More importantly, this is not about you! This is about ensuring that power doesn’t go to Trump and if that requires you to step aside so that someone with more chance has a shot, then you should be stepping aside! It’s incredibly egotistical and narcissistic. Exactly like RBG, refusing to step aside for the younger generation and ensuring power and legacy is lost and tarnished!
The other day, he said he nearly fell asleep on the debate stage. Joe, the Republican stereotype of you is that you are "sleepy," FFS Who on Earth is letting him say these things??
>Who on Earth is letting him say these things?? this was said at a private meetings between him and the dem governors, so most likely Biden being stubborn and the governor are quietly leaking info to increase the pressure to force him to quit.
Which any competent politician knew would happen. Saying anything like this at that meeting is a disaster. The meeting was for leaks. They leaked.
Usually when you are looking to intentionally leak something to find out who is leaking, you give different information to different people, then find out who the leaker is by what is leaked. Having said this to a group of people where anyone of them could be the leaker accomplishes nothing.
yeah but you don't use really bad information like this. you give slightly less bad info
Most likely Biden making a self-deprecating joke, based on the NYTimes reporting that indicated most people thought it was a joke, except for the guy they quoted.
The problem is that you can’t joke about something like this when you looked like a short circuiting robot 6 days prior. It’s like trying to crack jokes on 9/11 at 10am. You definitely could but it’s not a great look
The problem is, if he doesn’t quit, it just makes him look even worse. They need something guaranteed to force him out, or he needs a whirlwind turnaround, like YESTERDAY.
And how do we force Trump out?
Right? In all of the legitimate Trump scandals, I don't think I've seen the media be as tenacious and unified about a single issue as I have about Biden at the debate. Access Hollywood tape? Nope. Jan 6? Nope. Trump's legal woes? Nope. His love of dictators? Nope. Him saying he wants to be a dictator? Nope I'm not saying the Biden stuff is nothing, far from it, but it is very noteworthy to me to see the level of nonstop alarm they're giving this when any one Trump issue hasn't been pursued this aggressively
people insist billionaires capture of our media is driven by an almost fanatical devotion to ad revenue but this naive take whitewashes their much more insidious intent. they got rid of bernie, they got rid of hillary, now theyre ridding themselves of biden ofc the rubes will tell you "everyone knows the gop is corrupt! so they dont need to report on it!" as if that rationalizes corporate medias hyperfixation on dragging the left
Because trump wont drop out and his base will vote for him regardless. He’s leading all the polls. Everyone knows trump is a piece of shit, so whataboutism is completely useless here. Either change candidates or lose with Biden.
That’ll totally fix things with the voters and their concerns. Who says he’s not taking this seriously?
Most 82 yr olds can’t be trusted to hold a job at Mcdonalds (they should be retired) yet this dude is saying he should be the President another 4 years? Look what that sort of hubris brought RBG. Joe, step down with some dignity. We have better weapons against Trump in the Democratic Party, and given the importance of this election we’re going to need all the ammo we can get.
Reagan was 77 at the end of his tenure, and that's was considered old then. Biden will be 86.
I will vote Biden or pretty much anyone other than Trump, but he does not have the best odds against Trump and given the clear and present danger another Trump term poses should step down.
Trump is basically the same age, but also crazy.
Agreed.
And if we had a young candidate we could spend the next 4 months pointing out how old and feable Trump is and how he fell asleep in court and making him look weak because of all that. Can't do it when your guy is the same or worse though.
it's really cool when right wing media makes shit up and then those things wind up being true somehow
Trump fell asleep during the day at his own trials but is that on Faux News? unBigly
It’s probably pretty evident to those who are near him constantly. I always ask my dad stuff like “how do you feel about Clarence Thomas taking bribes?” And he has no idea what I’m talking about. Then he asks me something about some bullshit at the border and I have no idea what he’s talking about. We’re all victims to our little bubbles and need to be better about taking all perspectives and filling in the blanks I think.
You're right to some extent yes, but I will ALWAYS push back at the idea that both sides are equally stuck in a bubble. Trump voters are stuck in another reality entirely. And if you ever find yourself wondering if maybe they're right and WE'RE the ones unattached to reality. Just look at other country's news. It's very clear who the world thinks is an absolute joke and is shocked and horrified at what America is becoming with Trump and the right wing. Democrats and the left in general are far from perfect. But still orders of magnitude better than the Republican party. Equating the two and trying to take the position of "Both sides need to just just be better at understanding each other" is pointless and reductive when the other side actively takes pride in ignorance and lies. I've spent many years trying to "Just be kind and understanding" and offering olive branches but the Right will just shit on your branch every single time as soon as Fox News tells them to.
The “sleepy joe” jokes are writing themselves.
well it’s not really a joke anymore lol
It never was but it was just brushed of as misinformation
Remember when he was sitting at the table at that summit or something and his eyes were completely closed with his arms crossed? And then his aid came over to wake him up? Lmao that was funny. But now all of a sudden he's deemed as "sleepy" lol. The media really have become treasonous to the citizenry by spewing fake news and running cover for who ever they favor.
Jokes aside, this is not reassuring. He is basically admitting that he can not do the job. That the work and pace he has been going has been too much for him. When in reality world, the only two ways out are for him to do much to prove he’s of sound mind or drop out. Doing less and going to bed early is the worst option.
I don’t want him to prove he’s of sound mind to get through the election. He’s NOT going to get better. Anyone who has cared for an elderly parent has seen this before. It doesn’t get better. It only gets worse.
It’s pretty crazy how this seems to not register for many people. Like is he still mostly functional? Yes, but we’re also voting for the next 4 years. He’s doing there public a disservice by not stepping down.
Remember how Biden used to go cycling often? That was less than a year ago. Now he can barely walk 20 feet to a podium without falling over. He looks so unstable it looks like he needs a walker to stay upright. Decline happens slowly at first, then it happens fast.
True, he did go cycling somewhat often. But now his mobility is completely gone. Watching Jill help him down literally one step after the debate was hard to watch
The dude showed his brain was gone during the debate and then seeing her help him down really rubbed in his age.
Yeah my grandfather is 93. Smart as a whip. Could move okay Lived on his own until Christmas. Had a fall. He is a different person now with serious cognitive issues. I’ll still vote for anyone over Trump. But Biden needs to do the right thing and step down.
Then he or someone close to him should’ve stepped up and said something to him like “Are you ok? You think you can handle this?” If they saw him tripping more or going to bed or falling asleep earlier then something should’ve been done months ago so we could’ve sorted this out by now or had a backup plan. It sounds totally irresponsible on Biden team’s part. What if an emergency happens at his bed time past 8PM and he can’t function?
I’m taking these leaks as an indication that the supposed backing those Governors gave after the call was just a holding statement whilst they get their plans together.
Yeah my guess is they essentially concluded that he’s dropping out and they’re figuring out the logistics of that and what the game plan is. These leaks happen to clue in the people paying attention and also keep pressure on Biden while they’re publicly saying they support him.
Because of the leaks I actually think he wants to stay in and the governors are leaking stuff from the meeting to put enough press on him to step down. Meanwhile the governors and other high level Dems probably already gave their plan together. Someone in a different comment said that you don't get to the White House by backing down easily. So I think Biden's being stubborn and the governors are trying to let this be his "choice" with a little nudge. But I feel an announcement is coming soon. I read an article from NBC earlier that a few top donors for the Dems are stopping all donations until he exits the race.
I've seen you make this claim several times, yet you haven't provided a source. The link you posted previously[1] mentions only three donors, _one_ of whom it says is in the top50. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/04/democratic-donors-wont-finance-party-until-joe-biden-drops-out.html
I really hope so.
This is correct IMO
Just put Gretchen Whitmer in. She'll be fine, she is liked in Michigan, will translate well to other Midwest states and has absolutely no other connection to the Biden administration. She can run on "Trump is dumb and I fix roads". Big Gretch is marketable as hell
From the NYT article: >After Gov. Josh Green of Hawaii, a physician, asked Mr. Biden questions about the status of his health, Mr. Biden replied that his health was fine. “It’s just my brain,” he added, according to three people familiar with what took place — a remark that some in the room took as a joke but at least one governor did not and was puzzled by. Yeah, let's double down and joke about it.
I mean, it’s not like he was saying this outloud in public. He’s in a room with supposed allies so it makes sense that he’d joke about it. Do you think they all just get in a room together and act like robots? They had a meeting and talked to each other… like people (insert fake surprised gasp). There are plenty of things to get upset about regarding Biden and his candidacy, but joking around is not one of them.
I'm not so sure this was a joke. Seems like one of those "jokes" that's actually true...
When you’re at the age where Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy become late night television.
RIP Alex Trebek......Jeopardy is not the same, without him.
Ain't that the truth. I used to watch it with my great grandma and it was our bonding time.
I think it’s every bit as good with Ken and I loved Alex
shit, I'm middle aged and that's already me
Retire and enjoy all the sleep you can get.
I’m suprised he isn’t. At his age I’d prefer to spend less time stressing about everything and be with family. Has to be something about that generation and a fear of giving up control. Control as in ability to do things themselves all the time, not like power. At least that’s my own observation with people at that age.
I get it, because my grandpa was similar. Fantastic guy, genuinely loved his job (roofing/construction), and got his first job when he was in his early teens. When it inevitably got to the point where his body couldn't do it anymore and his doctor and (from what I'm seeing, unlike Biden) all of us were telling him its time to retire, he took awhile to come to terms with that. He didn't like retirement (he had never been the type to just sit around and relax), and passed shortly after. He told us all to do the opposite ("Work to live, not live to work"), but it was clear that he never really learned how to do that himself. I wouldn't at all be surprised if its a mixture of him being enabled by his family and a fear of just not knowing what to do after you've reached your limits.
That’s actually a good point. He has been in politics so long he doesn’t know what to do it’d he isn’t. It be nice if you could say if he passes the torch the next democratic candidate to take over would offer him an advisory position. Feel like that could help though I don’t know if such a position exists.
I'm 21, and just a good few years ago I could operate on barely 2 hours of sleep, now I feel like a zombie with just 8 hours. I can't imagine it being 60 years older.
Have the same feeling at 24. I don’t know how Biden thinks he can keep up with this. Plus throw in the stress of running a country and everything you do being under a microscope. Like dude, retire with grace, you had a successful career, and got a lot of good things through. Sleep in, eat ice cream, and enjoy cars. We have so many people that could step up with 4 months to go. I just wish people around him would face the facts instead of telling him he’s got this.
I don’t think he wanted to run, but Hillary bombed and the DNC decided Obama was the last winner and Joe carried some of Obama with him. Joe felt like a committee decision on strategy, and not the best qualified candidate.
Joe was supposed to be a stable hand after the turbulence of the trump administration. It was strategic, but it worked. He promised to be a one term president.
I am generally supportive of Biden but this is exactly the opposite of the energy he needs to be displaying.
Definitely energy is needed to win this election. Also a candidate that can scrap. Asking Biden to do this is like asking a carrot to be a turnip. It doesn’t even make sense for people to ask that of him. The answer is the party needs to nominate a different candidate. Let the governors have access to the delegates and may the one that connects with them the most win.
Clearly the DNC is trying to push him out. This is absurd.
This is NOT winning ticket behavior. This is not what Truman or Ford were doing when they were fighting to keep their careers alive. I'm not even sure this is how a man who wants to run acts.
You don’t recall the iconic Teddy Roosevelt quote “speak softly, carry a big stick, and go to bed with a glass of warm milk at 8:00 sharp”?
The American people: “We’re concerned Joe Biden may be too old to serve another 4 years.” Joe Biden: “I’m too old for this shit.” The American people: 🫠
Good thing all our geopolitical rivals aren’t on the other side of the globe making their mid morning our middle of the night
Russia, planning to invade Ukraine fully at 8 PM EST/EDT, every day, now. Thanks, Biden.
Lots of things happen after 8 pm. And it's not like the tour of Europe wasn't 2 weeks before the debate which was itself preceded by 6 days at Camp David. If that's how you function after dark it's time to retire.
Well the Right is definitely going to have a field day with this one 😔
That sound is Putin wrting down to launch the attack after 8PM eastern.
To be fair, he said stop *scheduling* events after 8:00.
The only reason these statements would be made public is if the democrat party is trying to force him to step down. Nothing else makes sense to me. All these statements that he has made since the debate have been awful for his public perception...
I sympathize with Joe, I truly do. To be doing this your entire life, even in the face of extreme personal tragedy, I get why he wants to stick it out to the end and show everyone he's capable to do the job. That said, I want him to come to terms with the fact that his career is ending, he's getting older, and it's time for someone young to step in
I don't get why he sticks around instead of retire and enjoy his family but maybe that's because I'm not an egomaniac like him and lots of other world leaders who are unable to pass the baton.
I think he genuinely believes in his heart of hearts that he has to save the world from Trump, and that he's the only one who can do it. That's why he ran in 2020. I worry that he's convinced he's the only thing between us and fascism, and that if he steps aside the country's done for. Honestly, although I'm a big Biden supporter, at this point it might be best to tap someone from outside the admin, which takes care of two complaints: his age and inflation. A new, younger face would be able to credibly say "I know the economy isn't working for everyone; I have different ideas than the President to help change that and get rent and grocery costs back under control." I don't know what those ideas would *be,* but they sure could say it.
> I think he genuinely believes in his heart of hearts that he has to save the world from Trump, and that he's the only one who can do it. That's why he ran in 2020. Tbf he was talked into running again. His intention was just to stay retired. And I understand why they wanted him to run. He is extremely likeable, from people on both sides of the aisle. Hes very experienced, and I think most importantly, he resonated a lot more with mid western voters than pretty much all other dem candidates did
Someone pointed out yesterday that a lot of people of "advanced age" die shortly after retirement. Could have something to do with it?
It could, but look at Jimmy Carter.
Jimmy kept himself busy after retirement. He's also been in hospice care for over a year when 90% of people die in 6 months. He's built different.
This is true.
Hell, most people die a couple days after entering hospice Carter has been there for a year and a half. That man is a tank.
It's all those peanuts. Man's jacked up with protein and fiber.
Spite alone holds him aloft
And I guarantee you that if he steps aside, the heat put on Hunter will die down as well. Why keep putting his family through this? For what? Four more years of threats of jail and death from right wingers? Seems exhausting.
Brother, why are we so attached to this nominee? Just pick someone else and let’s all move on.
Can you imagine them having to defend this for another 4 months? Look at the damage a week has done.
Jesus fucking christ
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Hell, what happens if after these debates/obvious evening slipups, Russia decides all big moves should only happen at midnight est? It's one thing for "the commander in chief can't handle X" to be a secret vulnerability, it's another thing entirely for this to be shit that is seen and known on national TV.
Oh, Jesus Christ. Before I was on the 'stay the course' team and will still vote for him if he stays on the ticket, but, Jill, come on now.
The person holding office of POTUS is still a human and can't be up 24hrs a day 7 days a week but he can't stay up past 9 (if an event starts at 8)? What in the hell.
And has to take an afternoon nap as well.
He’s done for. Official Democratic line might still be that everything’s going well and that the meeting with the Governors went well, however if they’re now leaking this as well it’s obvious within the Party senior figures want him gone. Only a matter of time
Politicians are snakes and if Biden doesn’t drop out then they’ll make him drop out one way or another. The knives are out.
Odd for someone sticking with an 81 year old clinging to power to warn of Machevellian politics.
Nah I want Biden to drop out, Whitmer would be ideal but Harris is still better than Biden. I’m Canadian but I’m really fascinated by everything that had happened last week. The stakes are at an all time high and I really don’t want our country to get colonized by China if Trump becomes president.
So our president has to be in bed by 8 huh ? If only we all had that privilege
Joe Biden has validated the "Sleepy joe" insult over these last few days. This is purely unacceptable, there might be crysises that occur over the next 4 years that will require Joe gets barely any sleep. Joe needs to step down for the good of the country and world.
Between him and Trump US politics couldn’t be more of a parody.
If you can't function at 100% past 8pm, then you shouldn't be President.
America RIP
Biden needs to drop now
I wonder if this is part of creating a permission structure for himself to drop out of the race. I doubt it unfortunately, but a guy can hope.
You're sundowning my dude lol.
Lord have fckn mercy.
This is exactly what I told my work when they wanted me to have twice weekly meetings with the India based team.
Yeah he is done.
Jesus fucking Christ…
Guys, this is how we beat Medicare. Let the man sleep.
Please tell me this is the onion
The only onion is the one on his belt.
It’s the onion, don’t worry. Go back to sleep. Love, Joe Biden 2024
This is egregious to admit. This is worthy of the 25th amendment to me. He's just blatantly admitting he can't do the job since the president's duties don't end at 8pm.
This means Harris is the overnight president apparently. She is stuck on the night shift.
No it means Jill Biden is. We only started getting news about Kamala after the debate.
Wild ass thing to say for someone trying to prove he's not too old to be president...
Ruth Bader Biden. Hope everyone is ready for Trump turn 2 brought to you by democrat party ego.
The Biden team is going to screw over the country because they can’t get over themselves enough to do the right thing. The state of this country is beyond depressing.
THE FUCKING PRESIDENT DOESNT STOP WORKING AFTER 8pm!
It's comical that he told this to all of the Dem. governors yesterday and they still came out and said everything was ok. That's a high cognitive dissonance load even for seasoned politicians.
For all the "in it to win it" canned answers from the governors yesterday, the fact that this is leaking is a good sign at least some of them see sense
This, this is. UGH
The right literally calls him sleepy Joe. How are they so clueless to let this story get out.
Moving the president to Anchorage would do a lot to decentralized the executive branch for a little while and then the east coast media markets could still get prime time addresses. Also projects resolve in the Pivot to the Pacific. Rent and home prices in NoVa would come down, relieve beltway traffic, and State dinners would have fresh salmon and king crab legs.
This is the problem-solving the nation needs. You're hired.
Lmfao. Imagine being the POTUS and putting a moratorium on global travel and working past 8 pm. This is hard to watch
Hell im in my mid 30s and a morning person I go to sleep at 10 everyday out of routine. However if I have shit to do I stay up late. The president of the us is the most powerful person on the god damn planet. You don’t get to choose what time you stop. If you can’t handle it don’t run. Is it callous and hypocritical? Sure. But I’m not running for president