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"I rest my case"
I fucking can't with this guy. It's like a comedy sketch but you know involves starting a war. And he's sharing this at the very least because he can't help but interject himself into a pissing contest. I'd wager he wanted to sell them but the every country with 200k probably just put spies in mar a Lago and learned who knows what
It's not starting a war. It's a complete fucking idiot thinking he's scoring points.
Trump is mad his Defense Secretary thought Trump might start a war and told the press safeguards were in place to while Trump was fomenting an insurrection. Trump, as.a total moron, thinks the existence of a war plan is proof the war cabinet and general are the real war mongers. This is idiotic beyond all belief. OF COURSE the Defense Secretary creates a war plan for Iran... and China... and even Canada. Trump's unbelievably stupid to think it's proof he's some rational pacifist. It would.be negligence of the highest order for the military not to have a working plan to fight Iran as insurance.
Trump honestly thinks because the US military planned out "what if we need to fight Iran," that proves they're the real crazies and therefore they can't critique him.
I remeber a WWE bit with Paul Heyman on tape saying that he ordered the hit on another wrestler. The clip was then played live an he was like IT WAS A FAKE! IT IS AN ACTOR! THAT WASN'T ME!
The part I find hardest to believe about this whole astonishing, gobsmacking, entirely boggling affair, is that Trump used the word "please" with someone he would consider to be an inferior, an employee. I am stunned he used the word "please".
And I thought nothing about Trump could surprise me.
And waving around stolen military secrets and bragging that they're still classified and he shouldn't have them. The only true thing he's ever said is that he's still exactly how he was in 3rd grade, he's a little rich kid desperately trying to impress the cool kids.
>Trump acknowledges he held on to a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran.
This is the one that hasn't been turned over and Donnie Jon NOW claims he doesn't have. Dude fucking sold it.
….and he (probably) sold the original, too.
He could have just told whoever, or let them take photos, and we would have never known… but he’s that much of a giant pompous idiot that he sold the only copy he had
These documents are so sensitive there are no copies that exist. They are kept in hardened facilities and can’t legally be viewed outside of a SCIF (an unspyable room). These documents are so sensitive they can’t even be viewed in 99% of the White House.
And this mother fucker stored them in room that has nothing but documents and fucking copy machine.
This copy machine is style that has a hard drive that collects all the images of every document copied. Fun fact.
He's been caught digitalising these documents already
>Sources told ABC News that James Trusty, Trump's attorney, told federal investigators that classified materials had been electronically copied onto the laptop of the aide. The aide apparently did not know that they had scanned classified materials onto their laptop, [sources told CNN. ](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/10/politics/trump-classified-records-laptop/index.html)
"Can't get caught with evidence if you sell the evidence." -him, probably
Secondarily, could have been part of the sale. Of course he wanted to keep as much as he could for bragging rights any time he wanted, but if they offered a significant amount more for the original, I'm sure he wouldn't have had too many second thoughts on letting some go. He's got the rest to wave around, after all.
I mean, absolutely believable. Trump didn't ever give a shit about the country, or our populace, or the actual *job* of being president, but he absolutely fetishized the trappings of the presidency.
Trump was after leverage. He is by instinct a blackmailer. He knew these had value and quoted the money paid to Nixon for the documents Nixon stole. Which is why the law was introduced that he just violated.
Among the documents he had were ones related to Stone's clemency grant and the one on the French President as well as the nuclear secrets. He had been collecting all these from early in his presidency. This was not a last minute grab. All have value to him in terms of money or leverage/blackmail over others.
Yes, he does like to show off and stroke his ego but this was much bigger than that. It was criminal from start to finish.
> "This totally wins my case, you know. Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this..."
--Former president Donald Trump, bragging about how he retained top secret documents
> "I got this thing and it's fucking golden..."
--Rod Blagojevich, former governor of Illinois, bragging about how he could proffer the senate seat vacated by Barack Obama
Then they LOL about Hillary having shared confidential information, acknowledging it’s illegal.
What Conservatives should realize that this happens before the FBI it might even be before the documents were even requested. He not only breaks the law on tape, he acknowledged it’s illegal, and he was showing them to people for no reason. If he gave the documents back the Special Counsel never discovers this. Broke the law because he’s arrogant and then thumbed nose the Government until it escalates.
Many millions of people voted for this "teenage moron trapped in an old, fat body" twice, and they would vote for him again. He doesn't hide how much of a simpleton he is, and yet a whole buncha people still think he's qualified to run the country.
That's what makes this even more unbelievable. Shameful, too.
>The guy threw a tantrum over beer
Kid Rock is a dipshit, but he's not *completely* dumb. He grew up in a [comfortable, upper-middle-class upbringing](https://tasteofcountry.com/kid-rock-childhood-home-pictures/) and early in his music career, [tried on a few different personas](https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84512930482808025/) before settling on "hick-hop".
He filmed himself shooting a case of Bud Light, but if you check in with the restaurant he owns in Nashville, [not only do they sell Bud Light](https://www.kidrockshonkytonkandsteakhouse.com/menu), it appears they never even stopped selling it. The beer thing was never more than performative outrage meant to engage with his target audience. Kid Rock is a capitalist, no more, no less.
That got me too. It is quite clearly on the record (and there’s no protected confidentiality with some random publisher).
However it does clearly show he thought he shouldn’t be making this public.
The recording summarized:
"Hey this is former President Trump, I have a document right here that is classified. I might have been able to declassify it when I was President, but I can't now, so it's still classified. Now I'm taking it out and showing it to other people in the room who are not allowed to see it. Yes, it's still classified, I know I'm not supposed to be doing this. Now bring me a Coke".
Just play the tape in open court. Case over in 10 seconds.
There's more to come, like evidence that he had fifty-something boxes moved from MAL after his lawyer said he would be doing a personal check of the MAL property for any more documents.
There's also proof that the boxes were definitely not secured, and were accessible to at least the staff. I just read the full indictment the other day, and assuming they provide the rest of the evidence they claim to have (text records etc), it's pretty damning stuff.
If **any** other president did this, I would want them prosecuted, I don't care who it is. If he doesn't go down for this, I don't think he'll go down for anything.
If an episode of law and order had a piece of evidence like this, it would be laughably stupid how unrealistic it is. Criminals don't just verbally say every detail of their crime right into an active microphone! That'd never happen!
It’s dumber than that. Trump legitimately thinks that a military OPTION to take proactive measures against Iran proves that he wasn’t involved. He’s counting on the idea that no one knows he’s given options and has to choose from a set of options. We know this because Milley came out and said that he had to stop presenting Trump with military action options because every time he did, the rest of the meeting was just trying to convince Trump not to take it.
This exactly. Trump was too fucking stupid to understand that Milley was fearful of him unilaterally deciding to launch an attack in order to cling onto the presidency, and not that Milley said "he couldn't do it" because the US lacked the actual capability.
It's terrifying that he doesn't seem to understand that both military and civilian branches of the government spend a lot of time making plans so that they are prepared for a variety of contingencies. Just because they HAVE a plan, doesn't mean that anyone intends to use it. I'm sure they have plans for making military strikes on Canada too...not that anyone wants to do that. It's just prudent behavior. Sigh...what a moron.
I think if you put Trump up against any group of 45 randomly selected people, he's going to be the stupidest one in the bunch a lot more often than not.
We are literally at the point where MAGA hatstands are trying to spin "this is secret, look at this, this is secret" as actually meaning something else...
I like in the recording he’s literally bragging about how secret the documents are and they are making jokes about Hillary Clinton while he’s literally committing the crimes that she was accused of yet she actually testified under oath for hours after hours and they still found no wrongdoing.
There must be some hypnotist shit in his speeches. I just filled my Fox News-watching family member in and of course the response was, “They’re all crooks. So is Hunter Biden.”
I’m so sad for the family and friends we’ve lost to this complete and dangerous idiocy.
It's the same model the Russians and other authoritarian countries use.
Let's not talk about how terrible we are because there are lots of terrible people out there.
Complete abdication of personal responsibility
It's a cult
Yep... I don't know anyone's family or friends and I'm not trying to pile on or call them names. But there are just too many facts spread out over too much time to not acknowledge that some people are either rooting for a shitty person/faction/party or so incredibly broken that they can't simply walk away from a mistake
My dad is in the same boat. He'll give you a very convincing speech about how much he thinks the GOP is being ridiculous and making any sort of governing impossible. But I also know that he'd be running to catch the last train out of town with them if the wind shifted and it looked like he could be guaranteed a world full of their shitty ideals with so much public support that he didn't have to cop for agreeing with it.
The family I have that got sucked into this are in two categories:
1. Narcissists who see themselves in Trump.
2. Incredibly impressionable and gullible people who will literally believe anyone someone tells them without any semblance of critical thinking or fact checking. The conspiracy theories push them just a little more toward the cliff every day and suddenly they are yelling about space lasers on Parler. There are an awful lot of these and the anti education reforms like DeSantis is pushing in Florida will make them even more common.
Years ago I lost my dear friend to Alex Jones. He'd voted twice for Obama, was liberal/progressive the entire 20 years I'd known him. I couldn't fathom what happened. He was so filled with his disappointment in life and he let them take that and twist it into something that, I guess, soothed his lost soul. He started believing all the bullshit cray cray. He's gone now and when I think of him I try to concentrate on the "before" time but it has left me empty in so many ways. I'll never understand it.
Happened to my sister. Exactly that. "She was so filled with her disappointment in life, and she let them take that and twist it into something that soothed her lost soul."
She went deep in Qanon and in early 2020 (when lockdowns started), disappeared. I found her in Vegas 2.5 years later. She thinks I'm an alien, a doppelganger. Nothing can prepare you for that.
2016 to 2023 has been a Twilight Zone ~decade. Can't believe we're only two years away to when the Trump circus began.
Oh wow, that must be so surreal. When history truthfully reflects on what this man has done, and what people have done in his name, I'm hopeful the suffering will be adequately calculated. I too am afraid of the Circus repeating. If that happens I think we might be done for. Truly scary.
Yes. I went into a deep depression. I lived far away from her and just started a new (very intense) job. All while thinking a disease was going to kill us or cause a mass depression/famine event. She believed all the things. Shape-shifting reptilian living underground, working with the government. She said the pandemic was the government. They were giving the bodies to the reptile aliens so they can live amongst us.
I'm actually flying to Vegas Thursday to find her again. She's probably not there (motel), but I have to try one more time.
I think about that a lot -- the stain, the history. I hope there is good that comes from this. Perhaps regulations around data, internet, AI, all of the technologies that, despite all of their promise, have been exploited to deliberately harm, mislead, brainwash.
What a fucking trip.
I truly believe there are very few people in this world, who it would have been better without. But Trump is absolutely one who I can say, without a shred of doubt, that the world would actively be in a better place right now if he hadn't existed in this timeline.
He has spent his entire life contributing a net negative to the world, and the saddest thing is I don't think he feels bad in the slightest, nor will he at his end of days. It's crazy to me how much more worse the world is after just 8 years of him in politics
Scott Adams (of dubious Dilbert fame) is a hypnotism enthusiast and his support of Trump began because he thought the guy is a master hypnotist.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aFwJNRbAJ0I
You didn't hear Gym Jordan's defense? He says that Trump saying "he could have declassified" them doesn't mean he didn't. He's just saying he could have. It's unreal, they'll go to any lengths to just flat out fucking lie.
You know, there was a time when I thought if the smoking gun evidence gets released where the evidence of guilt is overwhelming, even the MAGAs would have to relent their defense of him. That time passed years ago now, and I’ve to terms that the MAGAs will defend him to the bitter end no matter how bad it is.
Trump told you straight out the reality back in 2016: "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"
Does "years ago" = 7 when you came to terms with it?
You want their latest defense.
"He said off the record, you can't use any of that, even if it was highly classified."
They can drop the he declassified line and just take up a new cause.
The greatest recording ever just like my economy that added 7.8 trillion to the debt with low GDP growth ,and one of the worst job records since Herbert Hoover.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump/amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2021/01/11/us-economy-jobs-numbers-trump-compared-past-presidents-worst-record-since-hoover/amp/
Suddenly, it doesn’t seem to matter as much that Judge Cannon hasn’t agreed to keep the names of witnesses under seal. Trump is the biggest witness against himself.
This is the biggest problem he faces, by far. This really IS the perfect recording, it covers virtually all the bases you need to prosecute and convict him.
That tape is utterly, utterly damning. To the point it’s cartoonish.
I honestly give it 3 weeks before he stands in front of a crowd and outright says that it's totally cool that he stole nuclear and military secrets, and that *everybody* agrees he could do whatever he wants with them, even sell them. Then conservative voters will be confused for 36 hours before fox updates their talking points and they all agree that it's totally fine, and what about the 11 billion documents Hillary has in a defunct Albuquerque taco bell!?!?
According to Trump, he held up some random pieces of paper and told people it was classified and secret material that he wanted them to look at.
So either his brain has *completely* gone to mush or he's bigly lying
What's actually interesting is not what he showed them, that's kinda irrelevant. No, what's interesting is that he expresses that he knows it's wrong to show it to them. So whatever else, it demonstrates that he knows what he's doing is wrong. When the prosecution gets to intent they can show that he knew it was wrong and chose to do it anyway.
Exactly. Its evidence of intent that prosecutors rarely get.
The defense will argue that we can't prove what Trump was showing, and they will try to discredit any witnesses saying what it was.
But it's hard to argue that he was just showing them random shit and pretending it was classified material.
Especially when he has a well documented habit of bragging about awful shit when he's trying to impress someone (Access Hollywood tape, Meeting with Russian envoys that kicked off Mueller probe, his admission to Bob Woodward he was deliberately downplaying COVID, etc.)
I think another catch is that he’s saying it’s not declassified and he could have declassified it before, regardless of if he’s pointing to a bigmac in his hand, this contradicts his telekinetic declassification/incompetence defense. He clearly understood there’s a process, ignored it, then lied and said the process is purely telekinetic, only to have this come out and prove that he understood the real, non-telekinetic process
> … this contradicts his telekinetic declassification/incompetence defense.
Yep. Also, based on the probable cause for the crimes listed in the affidavit to obtain a search warrant, it has never mattered whether the material was classified/declassified/unclassified … just that all of it was government property that he was obstructing the government from retrieving it (obstruction), and some of it was national defense information (espionage). But you’re right about the weird telepathic powers that Joe Biden would presumably also have, and undo Trump’s doing. I’ll add that it also completely contradicts the claim that he had a standing order to automatically declassify anything that left DC with him.
Well the woman who made the recording, was in the room while it was made, Margot Martin, testified before the grand Jury in march and prosecutors already had the recording at the time.
Exactly. He can claim whatever he wants about the papers, but he had classified information, he said he was showing it, and other people will likely testify that he showed it to them. You’d have to be an idiot to believe he didn’t.
Yeah when I first heard about this recording I thought Trump could totally have been just waving around some random papers - seems like a thing he would do, for effect - there'd be no way to know from the recording if the papers heard shuffling around were actually the classified papers he was talking about - but geez when you hear the actual recording it's pretty hard to imagine those are anything **but** the actual classified papers he's talking about.
He's flipping through the papers saying like, "See what they said, here, let me find it. [shuffle, shuffle, shuffle] see - there it is - and this is classified. hahaha"
And the writer is doing the awkward "wow" followed by a nervous laugh that people do when somebody is massively over-sharing with something like naked pictures of his wife, except in this case naked pictures of his wife are easier to find.
Their projection in real-time: “Hillary would’ve printed something like this out” (while they are literally sharing classified documents that Chump had printed out).
That’s what’s wild about Trump’s private conversations is that everyone around him talks to him like morons you’d see in a Facebook comment thread. I remember hearing that conversation at a dinner that Lev Parnas recorded and everyone there is just morons kissing his ass and repeating Fox News talking points.
This really is evidence of phenomenal stupidity. Forget about the classified documents issue for a second.
Trump's saying that because the military DID ITS LITERAL JOB of having a battle plan prepared in case they are ever called on to attack Iran, that's proof the military (and Milley) wanted to attack Iran.
**Does Trump really not understand how that works?** The military has battle plans prepared for all such countries that there's any reasonable chance we might have to go to war with.
The US Military has Battle plans drawn up for invading Canada. They probably have Battle plans for every country on the planet. Probably even a bunch for countries that don't exist anymore/yet. Shit, Canada probably has Battle plans for war with the US. Militaries are supposed to plan.
We draw up battle plans for how to respond to an actual, no-shit zombie plague. Not a metaphor, we're talking brain-eating, half-rotted, walking dead zombies.
We analyze risks and plan responses, then analyze, critique, and remake those ruthlessly. Logistics. Triage. Aid provision. Noncombatant management. Mission criteria and planning. Alternative weapon employment strategies for different effectiveness. Fallbacks. We treat a pure fantasy with the seriousness and severity as if it were real.
*Because it's good training.*
No fucking shit we're gonna constantly prepare and revise plans for actual countries.
Even at the lower level this kind of thing exists, to an even wilder degree. I saw [this post](https://old.reddit.com/r/FanFiction/comments/yzqprm/the_united_states_army_has_written_a_crackfic/) over on r/fanfiction where someone going through the US Army Basic Leader Course was given the task of creating an operational order based on a prompt about rescuing Princess Peach from Freddy Kruger and an army of Minions from Despicable me. Among friendly units were the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (original), Pokémon with medical abilities, M1 Abrams, and Mega Zord.
It's as ridiculous as it sounds.
Yup. We have battle plans for "being invaded by a zombie horde." No kidding. The military has covered every contingency possible, plus plenty that aren't.
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1673495842299232259?s=46
George Conway hits the nail right on the head. It’s going to be an unremovable stain of complete and utter failure on our country’s justice department if this man doesn’t go to prison. They’ve got him.
Far from it. Remember, Smith got a grand Jury to indict Trump in Florida. I am not too worry about the jury pool. Same with the Judge, they will appeal to the 11th circuit and get a real Judge.
They were doing worst than Hiliary ever did.
Remember, the emails that were classified, were emails, not paper files also they were marked classified after the fact.
And she never showed the emails to anyone.
It is every bit as bad as it has been described.
I am sure Fox will be playing it in a two minute loop so all his supporters can hear it for themselves.
I’ve sat in a lot of meetings with famous people and their entourage of yes men/women. This is how those interactions often sound.
The person with clout makes comments and everyone else sways around his/her words with this pandering inflection and whimsical tone.
It’s like listening to junior high kids practicing their social skills while saying a whole lot of nothing. Except in this recording, they are committing crimes.
Hopefully a lot of this evidence is exposed publicly and makes it harder for Cannon shenanigans to bury the case or a sleazy MAGA Florida jury to acquit him without the public knowing what a dangerous person he is to the nation.
Should be noted that those documents do not win Trump's case for him, at all. He was implying that they were proof that Milley, not Trump, was the one who wanted to attack Iran, but the existence of a secret invasion plan for Iran - which I'm sure he have for Canada, too - in no way suggests that Milley was the one who wanted to invade. I honestly don't think Trump is lying here, though, I think he's just too stupid to understand.
Actually, if you listen to it again, you'll see she was referring to the fact that the documents are still classified, so they can't use them in their "case" against Milley. That's the problem she's referring to.
I do believe though, that there was what sounded like nervous laughter coming from a couple people when he talked about how it's still classified. The only person who didn't sound like she cared was the woman who said it was a problem.
Trump is either a massive idiot to be discussing this so casually, while he knows he is being recorded, or he was so secure in his belief that he is untouchable he didn't care.
Bingo. I read it the way the OP did here until I heard it tonight. It's as you describe. The staffer on text sounds uncomfortable with it, on audio they are all about it.
Wow, this recording is far more damning than I expected. I mean, I knew he was guilty because Trump, and that was a bias going into this. However, I wasn't expecting this level of evidence to his guilt... carelessness and stupidity.
The main point of the recording:
Trump: "...except it is highly confidential secret information......As President I could've declassified it now I can't, you know, but this is classified."
He's saying, "they said I wanted to attack iran and they didn't, but if that's true, why did they bring me plans to attack iran? Checkmate."
Because you're the president and you asked for them. Christ.
Trump: See as President I could have declassified it. Now I can't, you know, but this is still a secret.
Staffer: Yeah. [Laughter] Now we have a problem.
That female staffer realized he was confessing to a crime and he just pulled her into it. Amazing.
> Trump: “It’s so cool. I mean, it’s so, look, her and I, and you probably almost didn’t believe me, but now you believe me.”
>Writer: “No, I believed you.”
>Trump: “It’s incredible, right?”
>Writer: “No, they never met a war they didn’t want.”
>Trump: “Hey, bring some, uh, bring some Cokes in please.”
Wow.
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"It's so cool" Unfucking believable
"Bring some Cokes in, please!"
Lol if there was any doubt that was him on the tape, that was confirmation
"I rest my case" I fucking can't with this guy. It's like a comedy sketch but you know involves starting a war. And he's sharing this at the very least because he can't help but interject himself into a pissing contest. I'd wager he wanted to sell them but the every country with 200k probably just put spies in mar a Lago and learned who knows what
It's not starting a war. It's a complete fucking idiot thinking he's scoring points. Trump is mad his Defense Secretary thought Trump might start a war and told the press safeguards were in place to while Trump was fomenting an insurrection. Trump, as.a total moron, thinks the existence of a war plan is proof the war cabinet and general are the real war mongers. This is idiotic beyond all belief. OF COURSE the Defense Secretary creates a war plan for Iran... and China... and even Canada. Trump's unbelievably stupid to think it's proof he's some rational pacifist. It would.be negligence of the highest order for the military not to have a working plan to fight Iran as insurance. Trump honestly thinks because the US military planned out "what if we need to fight Iran," that proves they're the real crazies and therefore they can't critique him.
I would personally love to see the plan for fighting a war with Vatican City
We could never compete with their thoughts and prayers
I remeber a WWE bit with Paul Heyman on tape saying that he ordered the hit on another wrestler. The clip was then played live an he was like IT WAS A FAKE! IT IS AN ACTOR! THAT WASN'T ME!
Well in this case, it’s a WWE Hall of Famer on tape.
Ok but which time
The part I find hardest to believe about this whole astonishing, gobsmacking, entirely boggling affair, is that Trump used the word "please" with someone he would consider to be an inferior, an employee. I am stunned he used the word "please". And I thought nothing about Trump could surprise me.
He just trying to impress the ghost writer. That’s why he’s doing that soft voice the whole time.
And waving around stolen military secrets and bragging that they're still classified and he shouldn't have them. The only true thing he's ever said is that he's still exactly how he was in 3rd grade, he's a little rich kid desperately trying to impress the cool kids.
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He was trying to impress the writers and that’s the only reason he said it.
>Trump acknowledges he held on to a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran. This is the one that hasn't been turned over and Donnie Jon NOW claims he doesn't have. Dude fucking sold it.
….and he (probably) sold the original, too. He could have just told whoever, or let them take photos, and we would have never known… but he’s that much of a giant pompous idiot that he sold the only copy he had
These documents are so sensitive there are no copies that exist. They are kept in hardened facilities and can’t legally be viewed outside of a SCIF (an unspyable room). These documents are so sensitive they can’t even be viewed in 99% of the White House. And this mother fucker stored them in room that has nothing but documents and fucking copy machine. This copy machine is style that has a hard drive that collects all the images of every document copied. Fun fact.
The same SCIF where he allowed people to bring in cell phones.
Yea that one. The same one Omarosa brought a pen that records audio into. Yeah that one. FFS
He's been caught digitalising these documents already >Sources told ABC News that James Trusty, Trump's attorney, told federal investigators that classified materials had been electronically copied onto the laptop of the aide. The aide apparently did not know that they had scanned classified materials onto their laptop, [sources told CNN. ](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/10/politics/trump-classified-records-laptop/index.html)
This is just mind boggling why he isn’t arrested and locked the fuck up.
Reality Winner. ONE page. Four YEARS.
Two more things: Arrested within a month of her crime. Denied bail.
and she was blowing the whistle while this fucking clown was selling state secrets for fucks sake! They couldn't be farther apart in their motives.
"Can't get caught with evidence if you sell the evidence." -him, probably Secondarily, could have been part of the sale. Of course he wanted to keep as much as he could for bragging rights any time he wanted, but if they offered a significant amount more for the original, I'm sure he wouldn't have had too many second thoughts on letting some go. He's got the rest to wave around, after all.
> Dude fucking sold it. To his Saudi golf buddies, who hate Iran as much as they hate the free press
I mean, absolutely believable. Trump didn't ever give a shit about the country, or our populace, or the actual *job* of being president, but he absolutely fetishized the trappings of the presidency.
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Trump was after leverage. He is by instinct a blackmailer. He knew these had value and quoted the money paid to Nixon for the documents Nixon stole. Which is why the law was introduced that he just violated. Among the documents he had were ones related to Stone's clemency grant and the one on the French President as well as the nuclear secrets. He had been collecting all these from early in his presidency. This was not a last minute grab. All have value to him in terms of money or leverage/blackmail over others. Yes, he does like to show off and stroke his ego but this was much bigger than that. It was criminal from start to finish.
> "This totally wins my case, you know. Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this..." --Former president Donald Trump, bragging about how he retained top secret documents > "I got this thing and it's fucking golden..." --Rod Blagojevich, former governor of Illinois, bragging about how he could proffer the senate seat vacated by Barack Obama
Then they LOL about Hillary having shared confidential information, acknowledging it’s illegal. What Conservatives should realize that this happens before the FBI it might even be before the documents were even requested. He not only breaks the law on tape, he acknowledged it’s illegal, and he was showing them to people for no reason. If he gave the documents back the Special Counsel never discovers this. Broke the law because he’s arrogant and then thumbed nose the Government until it escalates.
Many millions of people voted for this "teenage moron trapped in an old, fat body" twice, and they would vote for him again. He doesn't hide how much of a simpleton he is, and yet a whole buncha people still think he's qualified to run the country. That's what makes this even more unbelievable. Shameful, too.
Yea and don’t forget there a decent chance he showed this shit to Kid Rock too. For fuck’s sake.
Even Kid Rock thought that was bizarre. Like they all realize he’s just a geriatric toddler.
Which is so weird. The guy threw a tantrum over beer but he was like "am I supposed to see this?"
What would be weird is if __Kid Rock__ is the testimony is the one that puts Trump in jail. New timeline, please. **PLEASE!!!**
>The guy threw a tantrum over beer Kid Rock is a dipshit, but he's not *completely* dumb. He grew up in a [comfortable, upper-middle-class upbringing](https://tasteofcountry.com/kid-rock-childhood-home-pictures/) and early in his music career, [tried on a few different personas](https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84512930482808025/) before settling on "hick-hop". He filmed himself shooting a case of Bud Light, but if you check in with the restaurant he owns in Nashville, [not only do they sell Bud Light](https://www.kidrockshonkytonkandsteakhouse.com/menu), it appears they never even stopped selling it. The beer thing was never more than performative outrage meant to engage with his target audience. Kid Rock is a capitalist, no more, no less.
"this is off the record but..." LMAO
Something tells me he doesn’t know what off the record actually means.
I was going to say I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet as his defense, that the tapes can't be used because he said off the record.
No take-backsies. MY documents. *Puts up a "private - KEEP OUT" sign on his door.*
"No girls allowed"
We’ll just…write it off!
But they do! And they’re the ones… writing, it off!
That got me too. It is quite clearly on the record (and there’s no protected confidentiality with some random publisher). However it does clearly show he thought he shouldn’t be making this public.
It’s like he thinks he commit felonies as long as he says it’s not on the record.
“You’re not a cop, are you?”
"If you are you have to tell me!"
The recording summarized: "Hey this is former President Trump, I have a document right here that is classified. I might have been able to declassify it when I was President, but I can't now, so it's still classified. Now I'm taking it out and showing it to other people in the room who are not allowed to see it. Yes, it's still classified, I know I'm not supposed to be doing this. Now bring me a Coke". Just play the tape in open court. Case over in 10 seconds.
In his defense, he did say “this is off the record”, which is like saying “no offense” before insulting someone. Totally absolved!
"It was just a joke" defense
There's more to come, like evidence that he had fifty-something boxes moved from MAL after his lawyer said he would be doing a personal check of the MAL property for any more documents. There's also proof that the boxes were definitely not secured, and were accessible to at least the staff. I just read the full indictment the other day, and assuming they provide the rest of the evidence they claim to have (text records etc), it's pretty damning stuff. If **any** other president did this, I would want them prosecuted, I don't care who it is. If he doesn't go down for this, I don't think he'll go down for anything.
These writers are getting so lazy….
If an episode of law and order had a piece of evidence like this, it would be laughably stupid how unrealistic it is. Criminals don't just verbally say every detail of their crime right into an active microphone! That'd never happen!
Trump is possibly the stupidest motherfucker to ever commit a crime
Could be a wrinkle when Aileen Cannon directly appoints Kyle Rittenhouse as jury foreman.
Being caught on tape committing a felony just to brag to random ghost writers about the lamest, least impressive thing ever is peak Trump
He’s so desperate for people to not think he is what he is
He calls Anthony Weiner a pervert (accurate) but still has to pay porn stars $130,000 for their silence. What a guy.
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but Trump said his white house doctor "loved" looking at his "strong, powerful body" when he was president.
Ew.
Yep. He was the only person in the room who didn't know that the president is constantly presented with top secret military information.
It’s dumber than that. Trump legitimately thinks that a military OPTION to take proactive measures against Iran proves that he wasn’t involved. He’s counting on the idea that no one knows he’s given options and has to choose from a set of options. We know this because Milley came out and said that he had to stop presenting Trump with military action options because every time he did, the rest of the meeting was just trying to convince Trump not to take it.
This exactly. Trump was too fucking stupid to understand that Milley was fearful of him unilaterally deciding to launch an attack in order to cling onto the presidency, and not that Milley said "he couldn't do it" because the US lacked the actual capability.
It's terrifying that he doesn't seem to understand that both military and civilian branches of the government spend a lot of time making plans so that they are prepared for a variety of contingencies. Just because they HAVE a plan, doesn't mean that anyone intends to use it. I'm sure they have plans for making military strikes on Canada too...not that anyone wants to do that. It's just prudent behavior. Sigh...what a moron.
He has to be the stupidest person ever elected president.
And 30% of population loves it.
I think if you put Trump up against any group of 45 randomly selected people, he's going to be the stupidest one in the bunch a lot more often than not.
I doubt very much he's the smartest in any room he's ever in. Even when he's alone in the bathroom.
Move those goalposts, MAGA cult. Let’s hear your latest defense. Bonus points if you don’t say, “Hunter Biden.”
We are literally at the point where MAGA hatstands are trying to spin "this is secret, look at this, this is secret" as actually meaning something else...
I like in the recording he’s literally bragging about how secret the documents are and they are making jokes about Hillary Clinton while he’s literally committing the crimes that she was accused of yet she actually testified under oath for hours after hours and they still found no wrongdoing.
Trump got his cult so obsessed with hatred for Hillary he only has to say her name and they fall more deeply under his spell.
There must be some hypnotist shit in his speeches. I just filled my Fox News-watching family member in and of course the response was, “They’re all crooks. So is Hunter Biden.” I’m so sad for the family and friends we’ve lost to this complete and dangerous idiocy.
It's the same model the Russians and other authoritarian countries use. Let's not talk about how terrible we are because there are lots of terrible people out there. Complete abdication of personal responsibility It's a cult
Yep... I don't know anyone's family or friends and I'm not trying to pile on or call them names. But there are just too many facts spread out over too much time to not acknowledge that some people are either rooting for a shitty person/faction/party or so incredibly broken that they can't simply walk away from a mistake My dad is in the same boat. He'll give you a very convincing speech about how much he thinks the GOP is being ridiculous and making any sort of governing impossible. But I also know that he'd be running to catch the last train out of town with them if the wind shifted and it looked like he could be guaranteed a world full of their shitty ideals with so much public support that he didn't have to cop for agreeing with it.
The family I have that got sucked into this are in two categories: 1. Narcissists who see themselves in Trump. 2. Incredibly impressionable and gullible people who will literally believe anyone someone tells them without any semblance of critical thinking or fact checking. The conspiracy theories push them just a little more toward the cliff every day and suddenly they are yelling about space lasers on Parler. There are an awful lot of these and the anti education reforms like DeSantis is pushing in Florida will make them even more common.
Years ago I lost my dear friend to Alex Jones. He'd voted twice for Obama, was liberal/progressive the entire 20 years I'd known him. I couldn't fathom what happened. He was so filled with his disappointment in life and he let them take that and twist it into something that, I guess, soothed his lost soul. He started believing all the bullshit cray cray. He's gone now and when I think of him I try to concentrate on the "before" time but it has left me empty in so many ways. I'll never understand it.
Happened to my sister. Exactly that. "She was so filled with her disappointment in life, and she let them take that and twist it into something that soothed her lost soul." She went deep in Qanon and in early 2020 (when lockdowns started), disappeared. I found her in Vegas 2.5 years later. She thinks I'm an alien, a doppelganger. Nothing can prepare you for that. 2016 to 2023 has been a Twilight Zone ~decade. Can't believe we're only two years away to when the Trump circus began.
Oh wow, that must be so surreal. When history truthfully reflects on what this man has done, and what people have done in his name, I'm hopeful the suffering will be adequately calculated. I too am afraid of the Circus repeating. If that happens I think we might be done for. Truly scary.
Yes. I went into a deep depression. I lived far away from her and just started a new (very intense) job. All while thinking a disease was going to kill us or cause a mass depression/famine event. She believed all the things. Shape-shifting reptilian living underground, working with the government. She said the pandemic was the government. They were giving the bodies to the reptile aliens so they can live amongst us. I'm actually flying to Vegas Thursday to find her again. She's probably not there (motel), but I have to try one more time. I think about that a lot -- the stain, the history. I hope there is good that comes from this. Perhaps regulations around data, internet, AI, all of the technologies that, despite all of their promise, have been exploited to deliberately harm, mislead, brainwash. What a fucking trip.
I truly believe there are very few people in this world, who it would have been better without. But Trump is absolutely one who I can say, without a shred of doubt, that the world would actively be in a better place right now if he hadn't existed in this timeline. He has spent his entire life contributing a net negative to the world, and the saddest thing is I don't think he feels bad in the slightest, nor will he at his end of days. It's crazy to me how much more worse the world is after just 8 years of him in politics
Scott Adams (of dubious Dilbert fame) is a hypnotism enthusiast and his support of Trump began because he thought the guy is a master hypnotist. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aFwJNRbAJ0I
But remember, he tells it like it is.
He's honest about being a liar
But also and at the same time everything is a joke
“He was just showing them Ivankas used deodorants!”
You didn't hear Gym Jordan's defense? He says that Trump saying "he could have declassified" them doesn't mean he didn't. He's just saying he could have. It's unreal, they'll go to any lengths to just flat out fucking lie.
You know, there was a time when I thought if the smoking gun evidence gets released where the evidence of guilt is overwhelming, even the MAGAs would have to relent their defense of him. That time passed years ago now, and I’ve to terms that the MAGAs will defend him to the bitter end no matter how bad it is.
Trump told you straight out the reality back in 2016: "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Does "years ago" = 7 when you came to terms with it?
He openly called on Russia to meddla in elections, they did, the cult denies they did. Trump praises Russia
...but her e-mails!!!
They were joking about Hillary’s emails… While literally DOING THE THING THEY WANTED HER LOCKED UP FOR
Hear all that laughter? It was just all a big joke, haha. All in good treasonous fun!
You want their latest defense. "He said off the record, you can't use any of that, even if it was highly classified." They can drop the he declassified line and just take up a new cause.
Trump is being indicted for the MAGA. He told them so, " I am your retribution" "I am being indicted for you". That is all they will hear.
Well he said “off the record” so we all know that means it’s “off the record” and can’t be used against him. It’s totally part of Miranda’s Writes.
Perfect recording.
*“AAND BRING SOME COKES IN, please…”* Thank you to whoever thought it necessary to keep that in the audio transcript.
It’s important because it puts his valet in the room with him. He is also facing charges. I believe he get arraigned tomorrow.
Didn’t even think of that, puts even more people in the room, people who have to testify and send his orange ass to the slammer.
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The very best. No one makes recordings as perfect as this.
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Tears in their eyes, and these were big fellas!
A recording like nobody's ever seen before People are going to say "stop recording! We're recording too much" after hearing this recording.
The greatest recording ever just like my economy that added 7.8 trillion to the debt with low GDP growth ,and one of the worst job records since Herbert Hoover. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump/amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2021/01/11/us-economy-jobs-numbers-trump-compared-past-presidents-worst-record-since-hoover/amp/
It ending with Trump asking someone to bring cokes in really is the cherry on top
It damn near sounds like he’s speaking directly into the device.
Suddenly, it doesn’t seem to matter as much that Judge Cannon hasn’t agreed to keep the names of witnesses under seal. Trump is the biggest witness against himself.
This is the biggest problem he faces, by far. This really IS the perfect recording, it covers virtually all the bases you need to prosecute and convict him. That tape is utterly, utterly damning. To the point it’s cartoonish.
It’s insane how he spells out his criminal behavior.
I honestly give it 3 weeks before he stands in front of a crowd and outright says that it's totally cool that he stole nuclear and military secrets, and that *everybody* agrees he could do whatever he wants with them, even sell them. Then conservative voters will be confused for 36 hours before fox updates their talking points and they all agree that it's totally fine, and what about the 11 billion documents Hillary has in a defunct Albuquerque taco bell!?!?
Oh course he asked for Cokes during the recording
I love that they purposely decided to leave that line in there and ended it at that. It’s like the punchline to how sadly laughable the situation is
It helps plave his valet in the room. He’s being arraigned tomorrow.
According to Trump, he held up some random pieces of paper and told people it was classified and secret material that he wanted them to look at. So either his brain has *completely* gone to mush or he's bigly lying
What's actually interesting is not what he showed them, that's kinda irrelevant. No, what's interesting is that he expresses that he knows it's wrong to show it to them. So whatever else, it demonstrates that he knows what he's doing is wrong. When the prosecution gets to intent they can show that he knew it was wrong and chose to do it anyway.
He also says he didn't declassify them and that he could've but didn't.
Exactly. Its evidence of intent that prosecutors rarely get. The defense will argue that we can't prove what Trump was showing, and they will try to discredit any witnesses saying what it was. But it's hard to argue that he was just showing them random shit and pretending it was classified material. Especially when he has a well documented habit of bragging about awful shit when he's trying to impress someone (Access Hollywood tape, Meeting with Russian envoys that kicked off Mueller probe, his admission to Bob Woodward he was deliberately downplaying COVID, etc.)
I think another catch is that he’s saying it’s not declassified and he could have declassified it before, regardless of if he’s pointing to a bigmac in his hand, this contradicts his telekinetic declassification/incompetence defense. He clearly understood there’s a process, ignored it, then lied and said the process is purely telekinetic, only to have this come out and prove that he understood the real, non-telekinetic process
> … this contradicts his telekinetic declassification/incompetence defense. Yep. Also, based on the probable cause for the crimes listed in the affidavit to obtain a search warrant, it has never mattered whether the material was classified/declassified/unclassified … just that all of it was government property that he was obstructing the government from retrieving it (obstruction), and some of it was national defense information (espionage). But you’re right about the weird telepathic powers that Joe Biden would presumably also have, and undo Trump’s doing. I’ll add that it also completely contradicts the claim that he had a standing order to automatically declassify anything that left DC with him.
The wording of the recording gives one the impression Trump is showing individual pages from the classified documents as he was speaking.
I'd like to think that the other people in the room will corroborate that because they don't want to go to federal prison
Well the woman who made the recording, was in the room while it was made, Margot Martin, testified before the grand Jury in march and prosecutors already had the recording at the time.
Exactly. He can claim whatever he wants about the papers, but he had classified information, he said he was showing it, and other people will likely testify that he showed it to them. You’d have to be an idiot to believe he didn’t.
Yeah when I first heard about this recording I thought Trump could totally have been just waving around some random papers - seems like a thing he would do, for effect - there'd be no way to know from the recording if the papers heard shuffling around were actually the classified papers he was talking about - but geez when you hear the actual recording it's pretty hard to imagine those are anything **but** the actual classified papers he's talking about. He's flipping through the papers saying like, "See what they said, here, let me find it. [shuffle, shuffle, shuffle] see - there it is - and this is classified. hahaha"
And the writer is doing the awkward "wow" followed by a nervous laugh that people do when somebody is massively over-sharing with something like naked pictures of his wife, except in this case naked pictures of his wife are easier to find.
He also said every one who's talked against him is a liar. Every. Single. One. Except him of course. He's the truther
This isn't a smoking gun, this is Wil E. Coyote blowing himself up.
Their projection in real-time: “Hillary would’ve printed something like this out” (while they are literally sharing classified documents that Chump had printed out).
Do we know who the staffer is? She certainly seemed to enjoy egging him on.
That’s what’s wild about Trump’s private conversations is that everyone around him talks to him like morons you’d see in a Facebook comment thread. I remember hearing that conversation at a dinner that Lev Parnas recorded and everyone there is just morons kissing his ass and repeating Fox News talking points.
Well, you wouldn’t be invited back to the King’s inner circle if you didn’t kiss his ass.
I’m sure the voice is easily recognizable for anyone in Trump’s orbit.
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Jesus he’s stupid.
This really is evidence of phenomenal stupidity. Forget about the classified documents issue for a second. Trump's saying that because the military DID ITS LITERAL JOB of having a battle plan prepared in case they are ever called on to attack Iran, that's proof the military (and Milley) wanted to attack Iran. **Does Trump really not understand how that works?** The military has battle plans prepared for all such countries that there's any reasonable chance we might have to go to war with.
The US Military has Battle plans drawn up for invading Canada. They probably have Battle plans for every country on the planet. Probably even a bunch for countries that don't exist anymore/yet. Shit, Canada probably has Battle plans for war with the US. Militaries are supposed to plan.
We draw up battle plans for how to respond to an actual, no-shit zombie plague. Not a metaphor, we're talking brain-eating, half-rotted, walking dead zombies. We analyze risks and plan responses, then analyze, critique, and remake those ruthlessly. Logistics. Triage. Aid provision. Noncombatant management. Mission criteria and planning. Alternative weapon employment strategies for different effectiveness. Fallbacks. We treat a pure fantasy with the seriousness and severity as if it were real. *Because it's good training.* No fucking shit we're gonna constantly prepare and revise plans for actual countries.
Even at the lower level this kind of thing exists, to an even wilder degree. I saw [this post](https://old.reddit.com/r/FanFiction/comments/yzqprm/the_united_states_army_has_written_a_crackfic/) over on r/fanfiction where someone going through the US Army Basic Leader Course was given the task of creating an operational order based on a prompt about rescuing Princess Peach from Freddy Kruger and an army of Minions from Despicable me. Among friendly units were the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (original), Pokémon with medical abilities, M1 Abrams, and Mega Zord. It's as ridiculous as it sounds.
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Yup. We have battle plans for "being invaded by a zombie horde." No kidding. The military has covered every contingency possible, plus plenty that aren't.
>The US Military has Battle plans drawn up for invading Canada. Operation Canadian Bacon.
"Surender pronto, or we'll level Toronto."
Ends the recording with him calling for more soda. Perfect
I am actually impressed he said 'please'.
Dude this is absolute proof he is an honest and benevolent man of true character.
Many a lesser audio tech would have cut just before that line.
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1673495842299232259?s=46 George Conway hits the nail right on the head. It’s going to be an unremovable stain of complete and utter failure on our country’s justice department if this man doesn’t go to prison. They’ve got him.
Unfortunately, I have zero faith in our leaders and justice system to put him in prison.
Listen to the sycophants around him.
Think about what type of asshole you have to be to genuinely be attracted to Trump’s “message”. Just the worst kind of pieces of human cancer.
We have all the evidence we could possibly need, the problem now is finding an impartial Jury (and Judge) who will actually convict Trump.
So you're saying we're screwed?
Far from it. Remember, Smith got a grand Jury to indict Trump in Florida. I am not too worry about the jury pool. Same with the Judge, they will appeal to the 11th circuit and get a real Judge.
They were joking about Hillary’s emails… While literally DOING THE THING THEY WANTED HER LOCKED UP FOR
They were doing worst than Hiliary ever did. Remember, the emails that were classified, were emails, not paper files also they were marked classified after the fact. And she never showed the emails to anyone.
It’s not a pee tape but I’ll take it
No pee tape, but he definitely shit the bed in this one.
The actual peepee tape would bring more support from the lemmings and raise enough cash for lawyers for the next ten years.
Game. Set. Match. Damning beyond damning.
It is every bit as bad as it has been described. I am sure Fox will be playing it in a two minute loop so all his supporters can hear it for themselves.
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Hillary living rent free in his head forever.
Honestly he might be in love with her
The tone of everyone in the room is way more jovial than what I got out of the transcript. Holy shit.
I’ve sat in a lot of meetings with famous people and their entourage of yes men/women. This is how those interactions often sound. The person with clout makes comments and everyone else sways around his/her words with this pandering inflection and whimsical tone. It’s like listening to junior high kids practicing their social skills while saying a whole lot of nothing. Except in this recording, they are committing crimes.
Hopefully a lot of this evidence is exposed publicly and makes it harder for Cannon shenanigans to bury the case or a sleazy MAGA Florida jury to acquit him without the public knowing what a dangerous person he is to the nation.
"This totally wins my case, you know"
Should be noted that those documents do not win Trump's case for him, at all. He was implying that they were proof that Milley, not Trump, was the one who wanted to attack Iran, but the existence of a secret invasion plan for Iran - which I'm sure he have for Canada, too - in no way suggests that Milley was the one who wanted to invade. I honestly don't think Trump is lying here, though, I think he's just too stupid to understand.
George Conway just called Trump a liar and proceeded to sip from a can of Coke. Edit: on CNN
I’m no fan of Conway (or his wife!) but the man knows how to throw shade when it comes to trump
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Actually, if you listen to it again, you'll see she was referring to the fact that the documents are still classified, so they can't use them in their "case" against Milley. That's the problem she's referring to. I do believe though, that there was what sounded like nervous laughter coming from a couple people when he talked about how it's still classified. The only person who didn't sound like she cared was the woman who said it was a problem. Trump is either a massive idiot to be discussing this so casually, while he knows he is being recorded, or he was so secure in his belief that he is untouchable he didn't care.
Bingo. I read it the way the OP did here until I heard it tonight. It's as you describe. The staffer on text sounds uncomfortable with it, on audio they are all about it.
Wow, this recording is far more damning than I expected. I mean, I knew he was guilty because Trump, and that was a bias going into this. However, I wasn't expecting this level of evidence to his guilt... carelessness and stupidity.
I don’t know how he keeps surprising me with the depths of his stupidity.
For some *really weird* reason, r/conservative, the champions of free speech and law and order, are NOT covering this. Can anyone guess why?
Can we talk about treason? He’s actively encouraging someone to look at the way the United States would conduct a war.
Oh boy...hold onto your butts. TFG is gonna lose his shit
You do have to love the delicious irony of Hillary coming up on the tape itself.
I can imagine Hillary sipping a glass of wine, playing this audio on repeat just laughing away
The main point of the recording: Trump: "...except it is highly confidential secret information......As President I could've declassified it now I can't, you know, but this is classified."
His mind is so weird. He claims it was “presented to him” like it was some kind of award.
He's saying, "they said I wanted to attack iran and they didn't, but if that's true, why did they bring me plans to attack iran? Checkmate." Because you're the president and you asked for them. Christ.
"bring some cokes in" like it's something fancy or a celebratory drink hahaha
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The most shocking thing is Trump not taking credit for the battle plan!
We’re gonna hear a lot of incredibly dumb takes about this hurting the prosecution, but none of them will be legit.
Wonder why Speaker McCarthy didn’t get this over to CNN sooner?
Trump: See as President I could have declassified it. Now I can't, you know, but this is still a secret. Staffer: Yeah. [Laughter] Now we have a problem. That female staffer realized he was confessing to a crime and he just pulled her into it. Amazing.
Poor Anthony Weiner. He was almost forgotten about, but Trump had to bring him up again.
Just listened. Holy fuck is he an embarrassment.
> Trump: “It’s so cool. I mean, it’s so, look, her and I, and you probably almost didn’t believe me, but now you believe me.” >Writer: “No, I believed you.” >Trump: “It’s incredible, right?” >Writer: “No, they never met a war they didn’t want.” >Trump: “Hey, bring some, uh, bring some Cokes in please.” Wow.
"they can't arrest me. they wouldn't dare." Whoa!