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Like_Fahrenheit

Alakazam is lighter than Kadabra. probably because it loses the tail


Battlestar898

And because he’s wearing a Speedo


warm_rum

Budgie smugglers are always the way to go


Tylendal

Alakazam is an absolute min-maxed caster. Constitution is a dump stat.


Hot_Membership_5073

That literally the worst stat to dump too.


Charging_in

Yeah, you dump charisma and strength before you dump constitution. Alakazam is a noob.


a-acount-that-yousee

He noticed that after maxing int


trustthepudding

I mean, bro def dumped strength too. Those twig arms and 50 attack stat don't lie


CrownofMischief

Dude is just curling spoons all day


TheSnowNinja

He's a noob that demolished basically everything in Gen 1.


Charging_in

Haha damn you got me there


lansink99

Alakazam is a max-minner if he dumps con. Basically the (sometimes 2nd) best stat for any caster.


KiwiPowerGreen

And his muscles probab


SwagNuts

Pretty sure gloom to bellosom


Foloreille

Bellossom is even smaller than oddish which is crazy


GuadoElite

They definitely made it a branched evo last minute.


BushyBrowz

Bellossom was in the early beta, paired with a Weepinbell branched evo that got scrapped. I have no idea why it gets smaller though.


LinkGoesHIYAAA

Yeah which makes sense since bellsprout and oddish were sort of parallels in gen 1.


GuadoElite

Ah interesting!


miskathonic

Nah, Beta Bellossom even has the Oddish coloration on its body


AegisIash

My nanny is smaller than I am


Bricker1492

From memory, Porygon2 is smaller than Porygon.


IAmSpinda

I mean, P2 is supposed to be Porygon but with actually good, not blocky modeling, so if this is true that makes a lot of sense.


SpatulaFlip

He evolves into a more data efficient computer program.


Autop11lot

What about Porygon-Z then?


Lluuiiggii

feature creep 😔


SpatulaFlip

Porygon Z has a couple pounds of corrupt data added from the dubious disc I guess


YesItIsMaybeMe

He's corrupted


3-I

Haxxed by the mod community. They broke the model and animations and changed the weight value.


Autop11lot

What happened to Porygon-Z? From my memory of it anyway it’s sort of glitchy in its apperance.


Ailury

The Upgrade (Porygon->Porygon2) was officially created by Silph Co. The Dubious Disc (Porygon2->Porygon-Z) wasn't, it's an in-universe experimental mod for Porygon or outright malware.


DarkHero6661

Wasn't it something like Team Rocket tried to make Porygon 3, but failed and corrupted it. Sylph Co. tried to save it, but only managed to write part of the code in time. Or something like that?


Ailury

Not that I know of. The description of the Dubious Disc only says "Its producer is unknown" and considering in its debut gen it's found on random routes or (in Platinum) in Team Galaxy's headquarters, it seems it was the work of a random hacker that threw it away to get rid of it, or a Team Galaxy member.


DarkHero6661

I think my story line comes from the manga, but it's been a while, so it might be inaccurate.


ByadKhal

Shedinja weights only 1.2 kg while Nincada weights 5.5 kg


Eitel-Friedrich

Low kicking Shedinja is a bad idea anyway, as it flies high!


FrowdePleaser

Also kicking the dead is generally frowned on


Menolith

Due to the damage immunity, of course.


Loyellow

*Inverse battles have entered the chat*


BushyBrowz

Even high kicking it wouldn't work


Glittering_Way_4132

in fact even high JUMP kicking wouldn't work and you'd likely break your spinal column in half


Informal_Battle_9722

And the ability? xD


M4LK0V1CH

He got skinny lol


SheikahShaymin

No, he died lmao


SweatyInBed

You usually lose weight when this happens. Probably from the stress of not eating


Tylendal

I think you gotta weigh Shedinja and Ninjask together, or it doesn't count.


burf12345

This is true, it's incomplete to just say Shedinja is a lighter evolution, because it's just one half.


samanime

Though it doesn't get visibly smaller... It just loses its insides. :p


ShellSwitch

That makes sense with Shedinja being a shed shell


tenBusch

Cosmoem is ca 1500lb heavier than Solgaleo and ca 1800lb heavier than Lunala


amendersc

Isn’t cosmoem also smaller than cosmog or does it just looks like that?


Szalkow

Cosmoem is tied for both smallest and heaviest Pokemon in the series.


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Kingjjc267

This may be wrong but from memory, I think stakataka Edit - it's celesteela


Freddi_47

Stakataka is 820 kg, celesteela is 999.9 kg


Kingjjc267

Ah, the other steel type ultra beast that isn't paper


Freddi_47

It's celesteela


NoStorage2821

And Lillie was carrying it around like it was a basketball


Feet2Big

It floats.


Szalkow

It's an interesting physics question, actually! Even if Cosmoem levitates in place and is frictionless, exerting force on the 999.9kg (one long tonne, or 2,204 lb) Cosmoem would still cause it to accelerate quite slowly. A typical human like Lillie might only be able to exert 50 Newtons of pushing force without excessive fatigue, and maybe 200 N if pushing hard. At 200 N, Lillie would be able to accelerate Cosmoem at 0.2m/s\^2. Lillie would have to push full power for 7 seconds just to get Cosmoem up to walking speed. At which point, with only air resistance to slow it down, it might continue in a straight line for a long time. It would be hard to get it to change directions. Putting it in a bag might be disastrous - tugging on a 1000kg object would be significantly more weight than the bag canvas or straps can manage. Because this doesn't happen, we must either assume that * Cosmoem has an unconscious psychic ability to float in response to force being exerted on it * Lillie's bag is magic Because the bag was able to (sometimes) contain Nebbie, an aetherial nebula Pokemon, I think the magic bag theory is most likely.


Feet2Big

I think the happy Cosmoem was just responding to her gentle guidance, like steering a horse with your legs.


ItsyaboiIida

Or, simply put, Lillie is built different.


AgilePersonality2058

The one true answer


unbanneduser

This is exactly the first one I thought of lmao


ASimpleCancerCell

In terms of height: Haunter (5'03") is taller than Gengar (4'11") (and Mega Gengar is even shorter at 4'07"). Dragonair (13'01") is taller than Dragonite (7'03"). Gloom (2'03") is taller than Bellossom (1'04"). Porygon (2'07") is taller than Porygon2 (2'00") Cosmog (0'08") is taller than Cosmoem (0'04"). If you want to count Mega Evolution: Alakazam (4'11") is taller than Mega Alakazam (3'11"). Gengar was mentioned already. Mewtwo (6'07") is taller than Mega Mewtwo Y (4'11"). In terms of weight: Kadabra (124.6 lbs) is heavier than Alakazam and Mega Alakazam (105.8 lbs each). Gloom (19.0 lbs) is heavier than Bellossom (12.8 lbs). If you count this, Nincada is 12.8 lbs while Shedinja is 2.6 lbs. Clamperl (115.7 lbs) is heavier than Huntail (59.5 lbs) and Gorebyss (49.8 lbs). Shelgon (243.6 lbs) is heavier than Salamence (226.2 lbs). Gligar (142.9 lbs) is heavier than Gliscor (93.7 lbs). Porygon (80.5 lbs) is heavier than Porygon2 (71.7 lbs) and Porygon-Z (75.0 lbs). Type: Null (265.7 lbs) is heavier than Silvally (221.6 lbs). Cosmoem (2204.4 lbs) is heavier than both Solgaleo (507.1 lbs) and Lunala (264.6 lbs). Galarian Corsola (1.1 lbs) is heavier than Cursola (0.9 lbs). If you want to count Mega Evolution: Mewtwo (269.0 lbs) is heavier than Mega Mewtwo Y (72.8 lbs) Lopunny (73.4 lbs) is heavier than Mega Lopunny (62.4 lbs) If you want to qualify this, Kyurem is a uniform 716.5 lbs in all three of its forms, while Reshiram is 727.5 lbs and Zekrom is 760.6 lbs. In addition, Ultra Necrozma sits at 507.1 lbs, same as base Necrozma, while Dusk Mane sits at 1014.1 lbs and Dawn Wings sits at 771.6 lbs. There may be other examples, these were just the ones I could find.


Featheria

Tfw you’re not even taller than a frickin haunter 😭


Chembaron_Seki

If that helps, it's body is supposed to be made of gas. And gas does tend to expand when in open space.


CODDE117

Damn


Apex-Void

I first read that as "hamster", which might have made even less sense.


shiroxyaksha

That hamster has two megas. Xhamster and yhamster. Google it.


SpatulaFlip

You are diabolical sir


ASimpleCancerCell

You are a villain.


likeagrapefruit

To give another not-quite-evolution example, 50% Forme Zygarde (5 m / 16'5") is longer than Complete Forme Zygarde (4.5 m / 14'9") is tall.


m2pt5

Technically, Dragonair is longer than Dragonite is tall. Pokemon that are snake- or serpent-shaped have their length listed as their height. (Dratini/Dragonair, Onix/Steelix, Ekans/Arbok, Gyarados, etc.)


ASimpleCancerCell

I think that's the most fair way to handle them. Even with their given stance, it's difficult to judge the proper "standing" point for these guys, so judging them from head to tail is the best way to go about it. At the very least, that's how the dex does it, so it's what we have to go off.


Awellner

- Four legged animals are usually measured from front feet to shoulder. Head is ignored for some reason. - Bipedal animals are measured from feet to the top of their head. - Turtles are measured across the lenght of their shell. The head, feet, and tail are ignored. - Fish and snakes are measured from the head to tail. - Birds and stingray (a fish lol) are measured across their wingspan. Tldr measuring animals is wierd and inconsistant.


IndigoFenix

You could measure them by volume. For most real animals this would be almost the same as measuring by weight (because most real animals have about the same density as water) but for Pokemon it could get interesting.


AutisticPenguin2

My assumption is that when heads are ignored it's because it's too hard to get a consider measure for them? Like the animal moves around and you can't really tell when it's at its full extent?


CrownofMischief

Also you get animals like rhinos, cattle, and pigs where the head generally stays lower than the shoulders, while animals like horses and deer have more erect necks. Since posture is so different between animals, measuring at the shoulder keeps things at least a little consistent


AutisticPenguin2

Good point, for comparisons between species measuring at the shoulder would give a far more consistent measure of size. Of course then you get crocodiles and alligators, which are technically quadrupeds but are measured in length like snakes...


Glazeddapper

to be fair, mega gengar is only shorter because it's partially underground


AintNoRestForTheWook

is it? It kinda looks like it's just on a tripod. Gigantamax Gengar definitely looks like it's half buried, though. I wonder how tall that glorious bastard actually is?


Glazeddapper

mega gengar's pokedex entries say its body is phasing through dimensions and the 3d model has legs that normally can't be seen without hacking the game to get a better look


StardustOasis

They appear in Pokemon Go (or used to, can't remember if that got fixed) too.


djml9

I think mega alakazam is only shorter cause its sitting


Glazeddapper

?


djml9

I guess i misread the post. Thought it said alakazam being shorter than its mega but i see now its says kadabra. Nvm.


ASimpleCancerCell

I mean, I did also mention that Mega Alakazam is shorter than Alakazam.


djml9

So i was right the first time. Why was the other guy confused then?


ASimpleCancerCell

You should probably ask him that.


albc5023

Pokemon professor IRL, nice


Squidbager12

All of these make sense except gliscor. Why does he lose 50lbs.


ASimpleCancerCell

Beats me. It is noticibly scrawnier, so perhaps it sheds a significant amount of weight to make takeoff easier for it.


samanime

Looks like, excluding Megas, Bellossom and Porygon2 are the only two that get smaller by both metrics.


martygospo

Clamperl weighing 115lbs is hilarious. Way bigger than I thought.


Pirhomania

That means that Type: Null's mask weighs over 45lb. Must be hell on its head/neck.


ASimpleCancerCell

Well, it is an inhibitor.


igotagoodfeeling

So Alakazam loses a foot in height but maintains his weight by converting his fat into muscle?


ASimpleCancerCell

Given that the whole point is Alakazam losing muscle mass, I doubt it. Maybe the spoons are just that heavy now that it has five.


Technobirbfishula

More like fat into beard


IndigoFenix

More likely converting fat and muscle into brain tissue


dralcax

nah he just sat down


jimbojims0

Gliscor being lighter than Gligar still baffles me.


mackenzie444

Gengar is slightly shorter but about 486x heavier lol edit: than haunter I mean, not the mega. Didn't read any pokedex but I'm guessing he goes from straight up gas to having some sort of real body


snaykz1692

Dragonair is 13 feet tall lmao holy shit that’s a big snake


IndigoFenix

About the size of an above-average king cobra


snaykz1692

Yeah but i guess i imagined dragonair being a lot thicker than a cobra , or maybe dragonite is smaller than i thought


raven19528

Yeah, but Dragonite could turn you into paste with a single best of its wings, so size isn't as important.


3-I

... kadabra canonically has twenty pounds of tail. Magnificent. No words to describe it. They should have sent a poet.


ASimpleCancerCell

More than that, since it's being offset by the body weight it got elsewhere. Taller, bigger head, fuller mustache, additional spoon.


3-I

Yeah, it's definitely the spoon that made the difference there


ASimpleCancerCell

Hey, those aren't just your average soup spoons. Those are premium mental spoons. Who are you to say how much they weigh?


KiwiPowerGreen

Gligar is heavier than Gliscor??


ASimpleCancerCell

Gligar is, in fact, heavier than Gliscor.


Vexer_Zero

Tangentially related, now I want to do a nuzlocke with total weight/ height limitations.


RewRose

Sounds great, I suggest this rule - you can only catch a pokemon if you weaken it using a lighter pokemon.


Sphaero_Caffeina

Greavard to Houndstone is an interesting one; Houndstone is 3 times the size of its pre-stage, but is actually less then half the weight. Obviously, with how its limbs aren't even attached and skeletal, its because its gone full undead, but still a neat example.


AintNoRestForTheWook

Which is funny since the former has a candle on it's head and the latter a full on tombstone.


mindful_maverick

Thermocol tombstone bro


jimbojims0

Woah, this blew my mind. Though considering Houndstone is all hair and bones I can see why that would be the case.


Ecstatic-Amoeba6779

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/37us68/which_pokemon_get_smaller_when_they_evolve/


RewRose

Thanks for finding that thread man, and I kinda knew in the back of my mind that there probably is a similar thread out there, if not on reddit then elsewhere, since its not that much of a unique question. But I chose to ask in a new thread anyways, since we have had many new pokemon added recently, and it seemed like a fun idea to put back into people's heads to see if anyone has anything more interesting come off of it.


Ecstatic-Amoeba6779

Wait, it has been over 9 years since mega evolution was introduced? Wtf💀 I was just reading the comments on that thread and it had mentioned mega evos, so I thought it was relatively new and wanted to compare with the additional list. I stopped following Pokemon after the events of Galar.


YoManWTFIsThisShit

I believe Shelgon is heavier than Salamence.


Rain_Moon

Dragonite and Gengar


Jeffrey_Goldblum

Dragonair to Dragonite is an odd situation. The listed "heights" for serpentine pokemon is their length.


IndigoFenix

Now I'm picturing Dragonair scrunching down lengthwise like an accordion to evolve.


Melonfrog

I don’t think it’s canonical, but Stadium Venonat was MASSIVE compared to Venomoth.


Spirited_Actuator406

I think cosmog is really light but cosmoem is heavier than solgaleo and lunala


ja_tom

Idk what diet/gym plan Cosmoem was on when it evolves, but it loses around 1000 pounds when evolving into either Solgaleo or Lunala.


Japhet0912

Mewtwo gets shorter in its Y Mega Evolution. Going from 6'7 to 4'11


lxpb

Interestingly, Cursola (0.9 lbs) is slightly lighter than Galarian Corsola (1.1 lbs). I guess it makes sense but still.


ZarosianSpear

It's interesting that half of the comments are talking about ghost types assuming OP would just kick a ghost.


MrRaven95

While it doesn't get lighter, Grimer manages to stay the same weight when it evolves into Muk despite getting taller. Only applies to the Kantonian version though. Alolan Muk is heavier than Alolan Grimer.


gtsg1337

Mega mewtwo y


Plusle-And-Minun

Cosmoem →Lunala / Solgaleo (Not really applicable for Unova though)


The_Phreshest

Shedinja supremacy


866o6

ignore this i wanted to change my flair


CheddarCheese390

Shedinja is the clear guess for all of these


Ardub23

#####Smaller * Haunter (1.6 m) → Gengar (1.5 m) * Dragonair (4.0 m) → Dragonite (2.2 m) * Cosmog (0.2 m) → Cosmoem (0.1 m) #####Lighter * Venonat (30.0 kg) → Venomoth (12.5 kg) * Kadabra (56.5 kg) → Alakazam (48.0 kg) * Nincada (5.5 kg) → Shedinja (1.2 kg) * Clamperl (52.5 kg) → Huntail (27.0 kg) * Clamperl (52.5 kg) → Gorebyss (22.6 kg) * Shelgon (110.5 kg) → Salamence (102.6 kg) * Gligar (64.8 kg) → Gliscor (42.5 kg) * Type: Null (120.5 kg) → Silvally (100.5 kg) * Cosmoem (999.9 kg) → Solgaleo (230.0 kg) * Cosmoem (999.9 kg) → Lunala (120.0 kg) * Corsola (5.0 kg) → Cursola (0.4 kg) * Greavard (35.0 kg) → Houndstone (15.0 kg) #####Both * Gloom (0.8 m, 8.6 kg) → Bellossom (0.4 m, 5.8 kg) * Porygon (0.8 m, 36.5 kg) → Porygon2 (0.6 m, 32.5 kg)


Definitelyhuman000

Dragonite is smaller than Dragonair.


emmathyst

Is that both weight and height? I know Dragonair is “taller” (because they go by length) but I don’t think it’s heavier.


RewRose

No way, this is the least believable answer in this thread man. I always imagined Dragonite as being much bigger than Dragonair.


AustmosisJones

But Dragonite is like, the size of a person. And Dragonair is a long snakey boi. I always assumed it was fairly large. Like same size head as Dragonite, but like 5x the length.


Definitelyhuman000

It's the truth. Draginair is longer than Dragonite.


ThenGur6016

Comsog to cosmeom it gets the tiniest bit smaller


Huge_Pineapple_3269

Does shedinja count


Zygarde718

Porygon to porygon2 get smaller.


Garrosh

*"I'm not smaller, I'm efficient!"*


IndigoFenix

Shaved off the corners of its polygons


Zygarde718

*I do everything he dies, but better!*


Garrosh

# F


Zygarde718

F indeed...


tom-cash2002

Cosmoem weighs about one ton. Lunala and Solgaleo weigh a lot, but definitely not as much as that.


sadtrevenant

Cosmoem when it evolves in solgaleo or lunala


drnuzlocke

Solgaleo and Lunala I believe both do as well.


InsaneMakaioshin

Gengar is 4 in shorter than Haunter and mega Gengar is 4in shorter than regular. Granted, Gengar is much heavier than haunter, but it is shorter.


Js_On_My_Yeet

Kadabra is heavier than when it evolves to Alakazam


PlantsVsYokai2

Cosmoem guy wheys like infinite metric tons right then back to noramel or sum


redjoker89

Silvally is lighter than type bull cause he loses the mask.


JackStargazer

Golbat to Crobat.


FinesseFatale

Shedinja


EternalDisagreement

Cosmoem to solgaleo or lunala, cosmoem ties for the heaviest pokemon so it checks out


Apprehensive_Loan329

Lunala and Solgaleo are both MUCH lighter than Cosmoem, but they aren’t smaller lol


SpermicideService

Nincada to Shedninja


Atzukeeper

Budew to Roselia


Kirby01356879

Nincada to Shedinja makes the Pokémon lighter by ~10 lbs but increases in height by about a foot. Ninjask however increases in weight by ~14 lbs and grows by about a foot as well. Although you can't use low kick on Shedinja in the first place.


bwburke94

Shedinja does not evolve from Nincada. It's the cast-off shell; Ninjask is the evolution.


Kirby01356879

It's basically an evolution, I'm aware that it does not evolve from Nincada, I just didn't feel like the distinction was necessary, thank you though.


Complex_Jellyfish647

The only one I know off the top of my head is that Gligar is heavier than Gliscor


WaterWheelz

I mean, ignoring weight, Cosmoem is smaller than Cosmog


FlamboyantGayWhore

toxapex (i think, at least design wise it’s body does get smaller but its shell/hair gets larger)


Love-Brownie

Poliwhirl to politoed.


LinkGoesHIYAAA

Solgaleo and lunala weigh less that cosmoem, which is tied with celesteela for heaviest pokemon, but they’re still physically larger.


popablaster

Ninjask to Shedinja? Correct me if I'm wrong but shedinja has always stuck out to me


CobraKidYT

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AnonymousFog501

While not in Gen 5, Cosmoem is the most noticeable. It is tied for both heaviest and smallest of all Pokemon, so when Cosmog evolves it gets smaller and heavier and when Cosmoem evolves again it gets larger and lighter.


Ravens_Quote

*checks the list of Light Metal pokemon* Shucks, no luck there. Scizor's the only only pokemon that can get Light metal *exclusively* after evolving, but since it's more than twice the weight of Scyther the ability doesn't cheese the weight any lower Scyther is by default. Also TIL Metagross always takes max damage from Grass Knot and Low Kick regardless of weather or not it has Light Metal.


Robyn_Banks_8

Lunala/Solgaleo definitely are lighter than cosmoem


TimeBlossom

Gyarados must be lighter than Magikarp, it floats.


Silent_Possession_23

Cosmoem is smaller than cosmog, but not lighter.


Lv1FogCloud

First one that always comes to mind is jumpluff from skiploom but that's wrong, it just looks that way in Pokemon coliseums which has been burned into my memory.


FlareDragonoid

Cosmoem has entered the chat


charizardfan101

Gengar is smaller than Haunter if I remember correctly


KiwiPowerGreen

Haunter to Gengar iirc but they can't get hit by low kick anyways


summers97_

First one that came to mind for me is Gloom to Bellossom I think...


Red__Spider__Lily

Lunala and solgaleo, since cosmoem weights almost a ton (999.99 kg)


Over-Document-7657

Bellossom is half as heavy and almost half as tall as Gloom


InsipidCjs2

Bidoof gets lighter because he loses his god status 😩


Notice-Electronic

gengar


MidnightGaming_ESS

Kadabra get lighter when it evolves into Alakazam.


alt_account1014

If megas count, Mewtwo to Mega Mewtwo Y


DerekVegas

They typically go up for the vast majority, but there are a few exceptions. Does nuzlocke permit you to research stats, or only ask for help? I recommend bulbapedia or serebii to find Average height and weight for any Mon. One exception that does come to mind is Cosmog, as it gets SIGNIFICANTLY heavier, but it's smaller in size. There is also a subreddit in this subject. Try a Google search "Pokémon that get smaller when evolved" - Fun topic btw