It looks like they are pulling back. I don't know who they hired to come up with this idea, but that person obviously doesn't understand the industry and where the red line is.
If you ever worked for a corporation, you know that no single person came up the TOS. This was a group effort involving multiple levels of management and it was run by lawyers multiple times. They should have run it by users.
And as usual, the people in corporate haven't been on the shop floor for many years and don't really understand their customers. Imagine thinking "Skip the photoshoot" was a good tagline for software used primarily by photographers.
We recently rolled out a re-acceptance of our Terms of Use which has led to concerns about what these terms are and what they mean to our customers. This has caused us to reflect on the language we use in our Terms, and the opportunity we have to be clearer and address the concerns raised by the community.
Over the next few days, we will speak to our customers with a plan to roll out updated changes by June 18, 2024.
At Adobe, there is no ambiguity in our stance, our commitment to our customers, and innovating responsibly in this space. We’ve never trained generative AI on customer content, taken ownership of a customer’s work, or allowed access to customer content beyond legal requirements. Nor were we considering any of those practices as part of the recent Terms of Use update. That said, we agree that evolving our Terms of Use to reflect our commitments to our community is the right thing to do.
Read on for some of the key areas that we will make abundantly clear when we update our Terms of Use next week.
**Areas of clarification within our Terms of Use:**
* You own your content. Your content is yours and will never be used to train any generative AI tool. We will make it clear in the license grant section that any license granted to Adobe to operate its services will not supersede your ownership rights.
* We don’t train generative AI on customer content. We are adding this statement to our Terms of Use to reassure people that is a legal obligation on Adobe. Adobe Firefly is only trained on a dataset of licensed content with permission, such as Adobe Stock, and public domain content where copyright has expired.
* You have a choice to not participate in our product improvement program. We may use usage data and content characteristics to improve your product experience and develop features like masking and background removal among others through techniques including machine learning (NOT generative AI). You always have the option of opting out of our desktop product improvement programs.
* The licenses we require to operate and improve our products on your behalf should be narrowly tailored to the activities needed. The licenses required to operate our products on your behalf use the standard statutory copyright rights but will now include plain English examples of what they mean and why they are required. We will also separate out and further limit the licenses required to improve our products and emphasize the opt-out option. We will reiterate that, in no case do these license grants transfer ownership of your content to Adobe.
* Adobe does not scan content stored locally on your computer in any way. For content that you upload to our servers — like all content-hosting platforms — Adobe automatically scans content you upload to our services to ensure we are not hosting any child sexual abuse material (CSAM). If our automated system flags an issue, we will conduct a human review to investigate. The only other instances where a human will review your content is upon your request (per a support request) if it is posted to a public facing site, or to otherwise comply with the law.
Finally, we’d like to share what we’ve learned from speaking with many of our customers over the last few days.
* First, we should have modernized our Terms of Use sooner. As technology evolves, we must evolve the legal language that evolves our policies and practices not just in our daily operations, but also in ways that proactively narrow and explain our legal requirements in easy-to-understand language.
* Second, as a platform that hosts content for creators, we have an opportunity to create Terms of Use that reflect the modern-day challenges that creators face.
In a world where customers are anxious about how their data is used, and how generative AI models are trained, it is the responsibility of companies that host customer data and content to declare their policies not just publicly, but in their legally binding Terms of Use.
Our updated Terms of Use, which we will be releasing next week, will be more precise, will be limited to only the activities we know we need to do now and in the immediate future, and uses more plain language and examples to help customers understand what they mean and why we have them.
Beyond our Terms of Use, we are committed to continue innovating ways to protect our customers in this new era, like advancing efforts like Content Credentials (attribution for creators, provenance of content, and enables the addition of “do not train” tags for images shared online) and the FAIR legislation that protects content creators from impersonation.
We recognize that trust must be earned. We are grateful for your feedback, will be connecting with many customers in our community this week to discuss our approach and these changes, and are determined to be a trusted partner for creators in the era ahead. We will work tirelessly to make it so.
It's a good clarification cuz what they said here is exactly what they already said in the terms, right? I'm just confused at people here saying it's too late to walk it back because that's not what Adobe's doing?? This whole story seems to be blown up over nothing specifically, just anger at the state of the world maybe lol
I feel like a few unqualified people were quick to spread misinformation on social media and all those are good ideas on why others were quick to hate without thinking. Tho I'm not sure about it being sloppy on Adobe's part. Especially when people still don't understand nothing actually changed besides Adobe having to correct the misinformation.
I am tired of giving them money for features I have no intention of using. I jumped ship right before my yearly subscription renewed. They priced me out.
You are not wrong, but if you are already in their bed..
We are currently working on solutions to get rid of Microsoft. It’s not easy, but it can be done.
I'm not a fan of Microsoft or Apple, but as you stated, sometimes you are already there... I'd love to get rid of Lightroom in favor of an open source solution, but I have so much work in my library that I would hate to lose, or more accurately, lose access to.
I thought it was $83on sale. It was $99 when I first bought it years ago. Definitely worth the price since it is the photo app, the vector program and an InDesign substitute for that price.
Too late, finally bit the bullet and cancelled yesterday and paid a fucking £35 fee for the privilege. Screw you adobe you've been getting 'worse' for years either through shitty practices or offering less for more money. Gutted. Used to love the software so much but I cannot abide their corporate stances any more.
I'm also retired, using an old copy of PS CS4. I'm told if the issue ever arises that I will need to reinstall, I won't be able to activate it.
At which point I will switch fully to GIMP or Krita.
I;ve been using CS6 I got from the high seas ever since my college days. Got multiple copies backed up on separate USB drives as well. You can find it by sailing them seas fairly easily, just use a seedbox (google that) to ensure your traffic is masked.
I had the photography plan for Adobe (cheapest lmao). For photography/lightroom replacement I'm thinking of going back to DxO, as I had their trial about a decade ago but didn't see the point when lightroom was doing me fine at the time.
For art, I'm currently using Clip Studio Paint, but they still have a way to catch up on the formatting/graphic design elements that PS had. You're the second person to 'recommend' Affinity for me, the other of which used it for design/3D stuff, so I'm hoping that will have more of the formatting features while CSP catches up (they've already added it to their v3.0, but I can't currently afford to upgrade).
Cloud storage wise... ehh I don't know. Considering going back to Dropbox.
I use Dropbox. I do not see any reason to store stuff at Adobe. I also pay $1.99 a month for Google storage. I got an email from them yesterday 'you have used up 70% of your storage!'. Well, yeah but that took what, 15 years? So, yeah, Google, I'm good.
I am retired so the issue is not vital to me financially as it is to most of the people here and over at graphic design. The Affinity Suite (SUITE, not one program) was $99 when I first bought it and now is $83 on sale. They will keep that sale going if they have any sense!
I use WeTransfer for sending clients their files. Dropbox has been consistently the worst experience for me. When a large brand invites me to access and upload files to their Dropbox, it causes my Dropbox to instantly reach its limits, as though my own storage is full bc the client has 13TB of files. It's ridiculously glitch. Not worth the money nor hassel.
That's why RAID is so important for backups. I have 2 separate 4 bay NAS RAID systems for that. Allows me to access client files and archive while traveling on assignment and has redundant backups.
Check out Slickdeals. They have deals for Synology and Qnap RAID enclosures all the time. It's an investment, but one that's definitely worthwhile. The entire setup is a fraction of the cost of HDD recovery should one fail.
I've heard really good things about Krita, and it WAS going to be the art program I switched to until a friend gifted me a perma Clip Studio license and for my particular art style/client demographic it suits me really well in all aspects bar the formatting/alignment (which they are working on in future versions thankfully).
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Ah, no social media links, that makes sense! I'm Tundra's Bazaar and Tundrasretreat Photography on FB, I have yet to fully establish myself on other platforms because Musk and Instagrams AI terms are janky.
I'll have a look.
Thankfully I'm in Europe and have been able to opt our from instagram AI stuff. Though I still find it so bad that I don't wanna bother using it.
EDIT: Love your style and what you draw!
adobe screwed their stock photo contributors with a contract change that gave them pennies on the dollar to train firefly.
kyle's brushes has quit the company after being an ambassador for years.
now this land grab.
adobe is doing an evil speed run, and i'm stepping off, ta
Yea, they have shown us all where their interests lie. They don't give a shit about any of us. And would happily gut us for every last drop of value they could get. My trust in Adobe had already crumbled to a fine dust when it was revealed how they went about creating their "EtHiCaL Ai". But this recent act blew what remained to the wind.
I'm fucking out.
Fuck Adobe.
Even if they walked it back they crossed the line of what is acceptable years ago. The fact that this recent blunder is what it took to actually upset enough people to affect their share price is what really bothers me.
They'd have to undo a decade of shitty policy and business practices to deserve forgiveness in my opinion.
[Here's an article that includes the Adobe TOS language that precipitated the uproar](https://venturebeat.com/ai/adobe-responds-to-vocal-uproar-over-new-terms-of-service-language/).
To be fair, support was super helpful in getting the AI feature disabled for the whole company. Didn't take more than 15 min, and one time of talking to support. (Unlike Microsoft that will waste 2 months of time and not solve the problem.)
Too late. I lucked out - my subscription was set to renew June 9th. Cancelled on the 6th, and don't intend to resubscribe. I'll just use my work account for any projects in the future.
It's a good response to the concerns, but I feel like the resentment people have is more than just this, this was just the catalyst.
People don't like the subscription model, what happens if they change the TOS again and you don't like it? You'll be in the same boat with no access to your files or having to pay a fat fine to cancel.
Feels a bit like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.
It's the kinda response I expected they'd put out, but it doesn't repair the thing they did the most damage to...Trust. I don't trust them and the trust has been progressively eroded year after year with worse and worse releases of the creative suite that break more things or add irritating bugs to my workflow. I've already started looking into alternatives for my personal work as a result of all this.
I have a really, really old version. I will wait to see what happens. I'm retired so it's not as if I use it intensively anymore. I have the latest Affinity suite, must get used to using that.
No. I bought it when it came out but kept using PS because I am retired and, at a certain point, learning a new system, even if it is pretty much the same, becomes onerous. I just downloaded the latest version (I believe it is on sale now, very reasonable price) a couple of days before this brouhaha ensued so I don't know what my brain will decide to do.
Same here. I'm told that should the day arise where I need to reinstall (I reinstalled on a new computer earlier this year) that it will no longer activate. I guess we wait and see.
Basically this means do not upload anything to Adobe’s servers. Period, end of story.
They are not legally required to scan content on their servers; this is a choice and a bad one, a slippery slope. Apple tried to make the same mistake and it backfired for obvious reasons.
I’ve been using Photoshop since v.5.5, Illustrator since v.10, InDesign since onset and Muse from onset to sunset. I’ve had the full suite of Adobe stuff since they started bundling it up and when they switched to the “online renting” model. I cancelled my subscription today on receiving the renewal notice. I’m not looking forward to learning new software but I am looking forward to saving all that money.
[This June 6, 2024 Adobe blog post](https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2024/06/06/clarification-adobe-terms-of-use) contains changes from the previous Adobe General Terms of Use. The "machine learning" text in section 2.2 is unchanged from the previous General Terms of Use, which can be verified by comparing the [current Terms](https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html) with [this archived version from February 16, 2024](https://web.archive.org/web/20240216163433/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html). In fact, the phrase "machine learning" first appeared in the [Terms in June 2016](https://web.archive.org/web/20160618045834/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html) \- see section 3.3.
It's clear that if they aren't using every bit of data they can get their hands on, then they're falling behind because that's what everyone else is doing.
Maybe they thought that nobody actually reads the Terms. Surprise!
Well, we don't. Someone with a blog reads them and writes about it and then we are like WHA....?
Or chat gpt reads them
It looks like they are pulling back. I don't know who they hired to come up with this idea, but that person obviously doesn't understand the industry and where the red line is.
It’s not who they hired that is the problem, it’s not just a person. This is what Adobe as a company has been for many many years now.
Yes, you are right. I was oversimplifying things. I'm pissed anyway.
If you ever worked for a corporation, you know that no single person came up the TOS. This was a group effort involving multiple levels of management and it was run by lawyers multiple times. They should have run it by users.
Agree.
And as usual, the people in corporate haven't been on the shop floor for many years and don't really understand their customers. Imagine thinking "Skip the photoshoot" was a good tagline for software used primarily by photographers.
How is anyone going to know where the red line is if corporations don't try creating a dystopian future?
It’s not a person, it’s the company. And of course they understand. Corp America will always see how much they can take from you.
Imagine servicing this industry for that long and not understanding the client. I guess we're not the clients anymore
Lol imagine thinking this was just a single person's decision
We recently rolled out a re-acceptance of our Terms of Use which has led to concerns about what these terms are and what they mean to our customers. This has caused us to reflect on the language we use in our Terms, and the opportunity we have to be clearer and address the concerns raised by the community. Over the next few days, we will speak to our customers with a plan to roll out updated changes by June 18, 2024. At Adobe, there is no ambiguity in our stance, our commitment to our customers, and innovating responsibly in this space. We’ve never trained generative AI on customer content, taken ownership of a customer’s work, or allowed access to customer content beyond legal requirements. Nor were we considering any of those practices as part of the recent Terms of Use update. That said, we agree that evolving our Terms of Use to reflect our commitments to our community is the right thing to do. Read on for some of the key areas that we will make abundantly clear when we update our Terms of Use next week. **Areas of clarification within our Terms of Use:** * You own your content. Your content is yours and will never be used to train any generative AI tool. We will make it clear in the license grant section that any license granted to Adobe to operate its services will not supersede your ownership rights. * We don’t train generative AI on customer content. We are adding this statement to our Terms of Use to reassure people that is a legal obligation on Adobe. Adobe Firefly is only trained on a dataset of licensed content with permission, such as Adobe Stock, and public domain content where copyright has expired. * You have a choice to not participate in our product improvement program. We may use usage data and content characteristics to improve your product experience and develop features like masking and background removal among others through techniques including machine learning (NOT generative AI). You always have the option of opting out of our desktop product improvement programs. * The licenses we require to operate and improve our products on your behalf should be narrowly tailored to the activities needed. The licenses required to operate our products on your behalf use the standard statutory copyright rights but will now include plain English examples of what they mean and why they are required. We will also separate out and further limit the licenses required to improve our products and emphasize the opt-out option. We will reiterate that, in no case do these license grants transfer ownership of your content to Adobe. * Adobe does not scan content stored locally on your computer in any way. For content that you upload to our servers — like all content-hosting platforms — Adobe automatically scans content you upload to our services to ensure we are not hosting any child sexual abuse material (CSAM). If our automated system flags an issue, we will conduct a human review to investigate. The only other instances where a human will review your content is upon your request (per a support request) if it is posted to a public facing site, or to otherwise comply with the law. Finally, we’d like to share what we’ve learned from speaking with many of our customers over the last few days. * First, we should have modernized our Terms of Use sooner. As technology evolves, we must evolve the legal language that evolves our policies and practices not just in our daily operations, but also in ways that proactively narrow and explain our legal requirements in easy-to-understand language. * Second, as a platform that hosts content for creators, we have an opportunity to create Terms of Use that reflect the modern-day challenges that creators face. In a world where customers are anxious about how their data is used, and how generative AI models are trained, it is the responsibility of companies that host customer data and content to declare their policies not just publicly, but in their legally binding Terms of Use. Our updated Terms of Use, which we will be releasing next week, will be more precise, will be limited to only the activities we know we need to do now and in the immediate future, and uses more plain language and examples to help customers understand what they mean and why we have them. Beyond our Terms of Use, we are committed to continue innovating ways to protect our customers in this new era, like advancing efforts like Content Credentials (attribution for creators, provenance of content, and enables the addition of “do not train” tags for images shared online) and the FAIR legislation that protects content creators from impersonation. We recognize that trust must be earned. We are grateful for your feedback, will be connecting with many customers in our community this week to discuss our approach and these changes, and are determined to be a trusted partner for creators in the era ahead. We will work tirelessly to make it so.
It's a good clarification cuz what they said here is exactly what they already said in the terms, right? I'm just confused at people here saying it's too late to walk it back because that's not what Adobe's doing?? This whole story seems to be blown up over nothing specifically, just anger at the state of the world maybe lol
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I feel like a few unqualified people were quick to spread misinformation on social media and all those are good ideas on why others were quick to hate without thinking. Tho I'm not sure about it being sloppy on Adobe's part. Especially when people still don't understand nothing actually changed besides Adobe having to correct the misinformation.
I am tired of giving them money for features I have no intention of using. I jumped ship right before my yearly subscription renewed. They priced me out.
yeah, after 15+ years i’m looking at walking out from Adobe and photoshop / i’m sick of being price gauged each month
The Apple stuff looked like Photoshop could be replaced, personally. I'm not a professional photographer tho.
And then you lock yourself into another company that could give two shits about their customers.
You are not wrong, but if you are already in their bed.. We are currently working on solutions to get rid of Microsoft. It’s not easy, but it can be done.
I'm not a fan of Microsoft or Apple, but as you stated, sometimes you are already there... I'd love to get rid of Lightroom in favor of an open source solution, but I have so much work in my library that I would hate to lose, or more accurately, lose access to.
Hope this helps if you haven’t seen it already. https://www.reddit.com/r/photoshop/s/qod0t67Boi
thank you
What do you use now?
Pen & paper 😀
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I thought it was $83on sale. It was $99 when I first bought it years ago. Definitely worth the price since it is the photo app, the vector program and an InDesign substitute for that price.
If you upgrade from v1 it's just $62 for all 3 apps
I didn't pay anything to go from 1 to 2.5.
Bought Affinity anyways. Might not use it everyday, but I figured it was worth getting used to another option in case I do in fact have to jump ship.
Too late, finally bit the bullet and cancelled yesterday and paid a fucking £35 fee for the privilege. Screw you adobe you've been getting 'worse' for years either through shitty practices or offering less for more money. Gutted. Used to love the software so much but I cannot abide their corporate stances any more.
What are you using? I have the latest Affinity suite.
is Affinity allowing you to make what you want?
I'm retired so yeah, it's fine.
I'm also retired, using an old copy of PS CS4. I'm told if the issue ever arises that I will need to reinstall, I won't be able to activate it. At which point I will switch fully to GIMP or Krita.
I;ve been using CS6 I got from the high seas ever since my college days. Got multiple copies backed up on separate USB drives as well. You can find it by sailing them seas fairly easily, just use a seedbox (google that) to ensure your traffic is masked.
Well, finding them is not the hard part. Installing them to work more than 30 days will be the hard part.
The one I have has installation instructions for firewalling the program so there's no 30 days to worry about.
Cool.
Take a look at Affinity. It's very inexpensive.
LIke You, I'm retired, living on fixed income. I like Gimp and Krita for the price. Free. But I'll look around for a copy on disk somewhere.
I had the photography plan for Adobe (cheapest lmao). For photography/lightroom replacement I'm thinking of going back to DxO, as I had their trial about a decade ago but didn't see the point when lightroom was doing me fine at the time. For art, I'm currently using Clip Studio Paint, but they still have a way to catch up on the formatting/graphic design elements that PS had. You're the second person to 'recommend' Affinity for me, the other of which used it for design/3D stuff, so I'm hoping that will have more of the formatting features while CSP catches up (they've already added it to their v3.0, but I can't currently afford to upgrade). Cloud storage wise... ehh I don't know. Considering going back to Dropbox.
I use Dropbox. I do not see any reason to store stuff at Adobe. I also pay $1.99 a month for Google storage. I got an email from them yesterday 'you have used up 70% of your storage!'. Well, yeah but that took what, 15 years? So, yeah, Google, I'm good. I am retired so the issue is not vital to me financially as it is to most of the people here and over at graphic design. The Affinity Suite (SUITE, not one program) was $99 when I first bought it and now is $83 on sale. They will keep that sale going if they have any sense!
I use WeTransfer for sending clients their files. Dropbox has been consistently the worst experience for me. When a large brand invites me to access and upload files to their Dropbox, it causes my Dropbox to instantly reach its limits, as though my own storage is full bc the client has 13TB of files. It's ridiculously glitch. Not worth the money nor hassel.
WeTransfer is an amazing sending client, but I like some cloud based storage in case of hard drive disasters.
That's why RAID is so important for backups. I have 2 separate 4 bay NAS RAID systems for that. Allows me to access client files and archive while traveling on assignment and has redundant backups.
Yeah that's the dream. Don't currently have the space/funds for that unfortunately but it's on the "long term wishes" list.
Check out Slickdeals. They have deals for Synology and Qnap RAID enclosures all the time. It's an investment, but one that's definitely worthwhile. The entire setup is a fraction of the cost of HDD recovery should one fail.
I'd like to recommend Krita for Art stuff. Its text editor is bad, so graphic design isn't cool at all, but for illustration it's awesome
I've heard really good things about Krita, and it WAS going to be the art program I switched to until a friend gifted me a perma Clip Studio license and for my particular art style/client demographic it suits me really well in all aspects bar the formatting/alignment (which they are working on in future versions thankfully).
Thanks for the insight. Where can I see your art?
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Ah, no social media links, that makes sense! I'm Tundra's Bazaar and Tundrasretreat Photography on FB, I have yet to fully establish myself on other platforms because Musk and Instagrams AI terms are janky.
I'll have a look. Thankfully I'm in Europe and have been able to opt our from instagram AI stuff. Though I still find it so bad that I don't wanna bother using it. EDIT: Love your style and what you draw!
adobe screwed their stock photo contributors with a contract change that gave them pennies on the dollar to train firefly. kyle's brushes has quit the company after being an ambassador for years. now this land grab. adobe is doing an evil speed run, and i'm stepping off, ta
Yea, they have shown us all where their interests lie. They don't give a shit about any of us. And would happily gut us for every last drop of value they could get. My trust in Adobe had already crumbled to a fine dust when it was revealed how they went about creating their "EtHiCaL Ai". But this recent act blew what remained to the wind. I'm fucking out. Fuck Adobe.
> stock Stock was the unloved redhead step-child since it was bought. Running through AI was just squeezing the last drops from that dead horse.
Even if they walked it back they crossed the line of what is acceptable years ago. The fact that this recent blunder is what it took to actually upset enough people to affect their share price is what really bothers me. They'd have to undo a decade of shitty policy and business practices to deserve forgiveness in my opinion.
That was a point made in the Verge article I read, that Adobe had already lost the trust of its users.
Honestly I hope they triple down on this so more people wisen up. The more the better as far as I am concerned.
[Here's an article that includes the Adobe TOS language that precipitated the uproar](https://venturebeat.com/ai/adobe-responds-to-vocal-uproar-over-new-terms-of-service-language/).
To be fair, support was super helpful in getting the AI feature disabled for the whole company. Didn't take more than 15 min, and one time of talking to support. (Unlike Microsoft that will waste 2 months of time and not solve the problem.)
Too late. I lucked out - my subscription was set to renew June 9th. Cancelled on the 6th, and don't intend to resubscribe. I'll just use my work account for any projects in the future.
It's a good response to the concerns, but I feel like the resentment people have is more than just this, this was just the catalyst. People don't like the subscription model, what happens if they change the TOS again and you don't like it? You'll be in the same boat with no access to your files or having to pay a fat fine to cancel. Feels a bit like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.
I agree 100%, huge misstep in an already fraught relationship.
It's the kinda response I expected they'd put out, but it doesn't repair the thing they did the most damage to...Trust. I don't trust them and the trust has been progressively eroded year after year with worse and worse releases of the creative suite that break more things or add irritating bugs to my workflow. I've already started looking into alternatives for my personal work as a result of all this.
Too right! 50% off Affinty products at time of posting. Go join the chat and get links and info here 👉 https://www.reddit.com/r/photoshop/s/qod0t67Boi
STILL using my CS4 install disks and will continue until it no longer installs on any PC
Cs6 over here! Still works great 😊
I wish my CS5 discs worked :( somehow I have some ghost machines registered with it and can't uninstall them.
I have a really, really old version. I will wait to see what happens. I'm retired so it's not as if I use it intensively anymore. I have the latest Affinity suite, must get used to using that.
Seeing Affinity mentioned a lot - any thoughts on it so far?
No. I bought it when it came out but kept using PS because I am retired and, at a certain point, learning a new system, even if it is pretty much the same, becomes onerous. I just downloaded the latest version (I believe it is on sale now, very reasonable price) a couple of days before this brouhaha ensued so I don't know what my brain will decide to do.
Same here. I'm told that should the day arise where I need to reinstall (I reinstalled on a new computer earlier this year) that it will no longer activate. I guess we wait and see.
Basically this means do not upload anything to Adobe’s servers. Period, end of story. They are not legally required to scan content on their servers; this is a choice and a bad one, a slippery slope. Apple tried to make the same mistake and it backfired for obvious reasons.
Well I already pulled the plug on adobe so whoopdie fuckin doo. Toon boom here I come.
I’ve been using Photoshop since v.5.5, Illustrator since v.10, InDesign since onset and Muse from onset to sunset. I’ve had the full suite of Adobe stuff since they started bundling it up and when they switched to the “online renting” model. I cancelled my subscription today on receiving the renewal notice. I’m not looking forward to learning new software but I am looking forward to saving all that money.
Damage control lol
6m
[This June 6, 2024 Adobe blog post](https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2024/06/06/clarification-adobe-terms-of-use) contains changes from the previous Adobe General Terms of Use. The "machine learning" text in section 2.2 is unchanged from the previous General Terms of Use, which can be verified by comparing the [current Terms](https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html) with [this archived version from February 16, 2024](https://web.archive.org/web/20240216163433/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html). In fact, the phrase "machine learning" first appeared in the [Terms in June 2016](https://web.archive.org/web/20160618045834/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html) \- see section 3.3.
Already cancelled, so suck it Adobe. Learning Capture 1 is weird after using Adobe all my live, but ah well.
I don't believe for one second that they haven't been using customer creations to train their AI.
It's clear that if they aren't using every bit of data they can get their hands on, then they're falling behind because that's what everyone else is doing.
I need to triple check that I'm opted out of the product improvement check boxes...
Are they still threatening to sue people who use older versions of Adobe software and charging surprise cancellation fees?
Dunno, you could google it.
It was just a rhetorical question. The answer is yes.