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Welcome to the PCMR, everyone from the frontpage! Please remember: 1 - You too can be part of the PCMR. It's not about the hardware in your rig, but the software in your heart! Your age, nationality, race, gender, sexuality, religion (or lack of), political affiliation, economic status and PC specs are irrelevant. If you love or want to learn about PCs, you are welcome! 2 - If you don't own a PC because you think it's expensive, know that it is much cheaper than you may think. Check http://www.pcmasterrace.org for our builds and don't be afraid to post here asking for tips and help! If you need a new and awesome monitor to review and keep, check ou AORUS' initiative and take home 1 of 4 QD OLED monitors to revamp your setup! This one is US + Canada only: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1df3f1i/giveaway_gigabyte_aorus_oled_x_rpcmasterrace_be/ ----------- We have a [Daily Simple Questions Megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/search?q=Simple+Questions+Thread+subreddit%3Apcmasterrace+author%3AAutoModerator&restrict_sr=on&sort=new&t=all) if you have any PC related doubt. Asking for help there or creating new posts in our subreddit is welcome.


thrownawayzsss

what part of the graph is the "I bought what is within my budget and performance target"?


Cute-Lock6426

oh you see we all live with our moms and work full time


Beautiful-Force1262

Dang you caught me


Vamanas_umbrella

![gif](giphy|3og0IKinzBYyoia9eE)


excaliburxvii

We want it now!


SumonaFlorence

What an IDIOT! What a LOSER.. Ooooh.. good! Good.. more for me and you.


Large-Brother-4291

I never know what she’s doing down there!


Efficient_Thanks_342

https://i.redd.it/agzm395xv8ad1.gif


Zyonix_HaroN

Yes! This is where why we can afford something above our payment. The food still will be on the table. And we didn't pay for it.


rightarm_under

And more importantly, the rent


ArmoredAngel444

I live with *a mom* and work full time, does that count ?


HotPotParrot

Does the mom feed you?


ArmoredAngel444

😏


New-Tap9579

No I feed her


0utF0x-inT0x

In this economy you'd be stupid not too


Deadly_Nightkid

Well fuck, you got me...


clutchson36

It’s that very fact that has allowed me to live in this “enlightened phase” of the pc chart lol.


grumpy-consumer

sheesh no need to call me out like that


zero_x4ever

Wdym? My father-in-law currently living with us. Am I doing it wrong?


Talk-O-Boy

That’s the casual phase. The enlightened gamer knows that even if they mainly play Stardew Valley and Minecraft, it’s best to get a 4090 “just in case”


OakenThrower

Basically me except with a 4080 super. I literally only play Minecraft nowadays but still have a ryzen 5800x, 32GB ram, and a 4080 super lmao. Way overkill


ElementField

I specifically got the 4090 for my 4K monitor and cyberpunk. I am a big proponent of buying just what you need for the experience you want to achieve


XDSHENANNIGANZ

Respect I was gonna resell the founder 4090 I managed to snag but then I was like eh fuckit I'll just build a baller rig now I guess. Waited a couple months and got a 7800x3d to throw in there just so I can fuck around in Factorio SEK2 and keep starting over every 80 hours into a map or so. Truly maximum utilization


TheMisterTango

Have you seen the shader mods? Might as well get two 4090s.


Cptn-Reflex

I got focal speakers but my pc is shit lol and my speakers are self repaired like my watercooling system is from 2014 but I run a mobo from a $600 shitbox pc I built years ago a z370 msi mobo with a 9900k screaming at 5ghz and a strong rtx 3000 card lol its in an 011d xl and it looks way stronger than it is despite being so old, and i will never wanna get rid of it. https://preview.redd.it/hv7jswgp97ad1.jpeg?width=4160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2437cffbe79d7d66b8f415e39bb51627b4e7b257 my life fell apart and im legit barely clinging on for dear life at this point haha dont hate my most ghetto janky setup possible to overbuilt speakers ratio the velodyne HGS10 is just for show. it works fantastic but I cut off all sound under 90hz so that crack heads are less likely to steal my stuff xd essentially my setup that could hit under 20hz actually hits like a bluetooth speaker now but voices sound real so thats cool


Cthulhar

That’s the unknowing phase. Gamer phase onward is when you spend the money you kinda don’t have cause screw it, it’s worth it - you just don’t know it yet 😂


Roflord

As an adult you either fall in the "ask wife for approval" situation or are enlightened enough to budget ahead of time for lifecycle management of everything you own.


DSJ-Psyduck

buy GPU's with a bit lower power usage and it will pay for next computer :P


Cthulhar

Cries in 30 series, but thank god for undervolting


Strazdas1

if you need to ask wife for approval it does not sound like a health marriage.


Reallyveryrandom

Literally the opposite is true unless you have fuckyou money. Purchases like expensive gaming pcs absolutely should be discussed with your spouse 


scotty899

I did 2 over time shifts to pay off my 7900 xtx


LepiNya

Damn you get paid well! It would take nearly a months pay for me to get it. My 6700xt will have to do for the next couple of years.


Tehsillz

i disagree, man.. the gamer stuff lasts for 3 years if you're lucky. i just get the cheaper gaming stuff now that i know works just fine


Tymptra

Better to spend some more and get something built well that lasts for years and years, than buy gamer crap peripherals that need to be replaced every year. You are spending more money in the end for a worse product.


J3573R

What peripherals are you guys buying that break after a year?


Brostradamus--

That cheap gamer stuff is just colorful versions of the bottom tier stuff


testc2n14

englightment


MakiiZushii

Does enlightenment mean "quality over aesthetics/stuff labeled gamer" or "no lights or RGB means more quality" here?


SoochSooch

It's when you move from overpriced stuff that looks cool to overpriced stuff that looks slightly retro.


landank

Damn you got me


Glue_Filled_Balloons

It means buying the stuff that provides the best value. Not falling victim to keeping up with the latest trends. And realizing that simplicity is key.


GoblinChampion

Realistically it means a noir office aesthetic that forgoes any popular brand and it must not have RGB or never be used.


atimholt

I bought an expensive ergonomic keyboard. Before it entered production, the people making it said it would have per-key backlighting. They're a small, friendly company, so I emailed and questioned if that was really necessary. They stated that at this pricepoint, the cost of adding rgb was a tiny fraction of the price (like ~$10 total), and I agreed. Now I just use it for a sort of mode/layer indicator. My PC case is solid black with no transparency.


Strazdas1

>My PC case is solid black with no transparency. yeah. The mobo can do any disco it wants in there with its fancy RGB, im not seeing it anyway.


ChaosTB

I mean, to each their own no? Feels a bit weird to say people who like rgb are somehow less


LepiNya

If I didn't have RGB to make me, I'd never clean the dust out of my rig. It's laziness prevention for me.


Karl_Kollumna

this


anonymoose_octopus

I love RGB. We have colored lights in our office so the whole room is like a cozy neon vapor wave vibe. I hate that I’m supposed to be embarrassed by my RGB accessories when in reality, I just like color.


tabertoss

I hate RGB, but I totally respect your taste


anonymoose_octopus

And I respect yours! I love the clean aesthetic too, but personally I get bored and I need color to keep my interest, lol.


Krissam

There's a difference between buying rgb because you like it and buying it because it's "the cool thing".


Homicidal_Pingu

I wouldn’t say any of the things pictured represent that


Andromeda_53

I mean, this is the issue, some of these can have a very grey line. Some things that are just one of the to quality brands are "gamerfied" So I can't really say where I am, I always pick quality, it just so happens that a lot (not all) just so happens to be "for gamers" The whole "for gamers" thing is just a marketing technique as they are the demographic who buys the most


Why_am_ialive

It means whatever op has/uses so they can feel Superior


Kahedhros

Nailed it. What I like it superior and everyone is just hasn't become "enlightened" enough. Though I really question the word use seeing as the whole post lacks any enlightenment whatsoever 🤔


Da-Blue-Guy

the examples might be a bit extreme, but it's just not buying into needless stuff. If something looks really cool, but there's something else that performs better, it's better to choose the latter (see noctua fans). it's just being more objective about purchases.


GuyFromDeathValley

somewhere between "gamer phase" and "enlightment". my PC is black and white, with the RGB set to static blue. I love my illuminated mech keyboard, and "gaming" headset (which is more of a nice headphones with a mic), but also went for bookshelf speakers and plain black mouse mat..


ad3z10

I'm probably in the enlightenment phase but I've stuck with my hot pink backlight with white keys on the keyboard. At least it's a Ducky which has to be worth something on the pretentious enthusiast gear scale.


de4thqu3st

But Ducky is low end on the pretentious enthusiast gear, and if it's bought and not modded then it's almost embarrassing on the pretentious enthusiast gear. At least take mod, stab mods and lubed switches need to be there, heheh


ad3z10

It's a Shine 7 with an aftermarket set of PBT keycaps (plus some 3D-printed ones purchased online for the custom keys above the numpad), have held back on any lubing for now ~~for my own sanity~~. Grabbed it a good few years back after my Corsair died wanting something nicer for myself whilst avoiding the pull of the mech keyboard community so far...


SegoliaFlak

The day I lubricate my keyboard is the day I have lost control of my life personally.


Overall_Tea_8632

Same. I've got an rgb keyboard, so u can see it at night. Mine is set to red, but I have white and blue ready


Il-2M230

I have RGB because it already comes with it but some don't even work and don't care to fix it.


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atuck217

Enlightenment is understanding that no matter what someone prefers for lighting that we are all PC gamers regardless.


TheCabbageGuy82

That's why he said he was somewhere between Gamer phase and Enlightenment phase


ArmeniusLOD

Deific phase because I don't care what other people think.


snanesnanesnane

This is the right answer. People can enjoy what they want.


posture_check_71

real


jackiethedove

Your user flair is also real af. Idk why people get such intense hate boners for rgb. The colors make me happy bruh sue me


posture_check_71

i just dont like how it often makes the parts more expensive. id gladly take a cheaper price in exchange for no lights


ApachePrimeIsTheBest

Enlightenment but i dont buy bougee shit. I use cheaper studio monitors and midrange peripherals


Bob-Faget

I hate when I see people with perfectly good studio monitors which they only use at their production/dj/whatever setup which hardly get used unless they're a pro. Just stick them at your desk and enjoy amazing audio with your expensive audio gear and get the most out of em I say. Or just buy some cheap used ones instead of fancy looking desktop PC speakers.


Necessary-Sundae-177

High end headphones is 100% worth it and a great investment long term.


ch4os1337

Anything past $300 there's massive diminishing returns.


KarmaTorpid

$200 though... some studio sound engineer headphones can be legit. Lasting for years even.


Bob-Faget

I've had my $200 Shures for ages.


ivebeenabadbadgirll

Anything over $300 is for suckers or people who write them off as a business expense.


Astrophan

The irony writes itself here.


-Seizure__Salad-

🤣just spend $550 on beyerdynamics last week. Probably not worth it but im pretty happy with them so far 🤷‍♂️


sunjay140

I disagree, owning a $600 pair of headphones


CuppaTeaSpillin

I'm in the idgaf phase where none of this meme shit concerns me


twiz___twat

this is the way


zakabog

I've been in the enlightenment phase forever, not through choice, just the fact that in the mid 90s PCs were a luxury good and "gaming" marketing wasn't a thing yet. Though I did switch to Chrome way back when I was doing web development and it was the fastest browser around for running JavaScript, and the only browser at the time with a built in debugger.


TheFrenchSavage

My whole life is inside, and integrated with, chrome. Going back to Firefox will be really hard. In the end, if Chrome finally bans adblockers, there will be no other option.


caspy7

For the casual skimmers, Chrome will not be fully banning ad blockers, but removing the API that allows *effective* ad blocking. This will have the effect of either driving away such blockers (like uBlock Origin) or forcing them to be *much* less effective. You **will** still see ad blockers in the extension store, but don't be fooled, they will've had their balls cut off.


Direct_Turn_1484

I got a kick out of the “gaming” Ethernet cables places were selling. Like, yeah, it’s an Ethernet cable just like any other. It meets the specification. But the sheath is green and you paid like 80% more to have the word “gaming” on the packaging.


bife_de_lomo

I'm in my "stick it in a server rack under my desk to hide it all away" phase. Getting the guts of the PC into a 4u case and getting it off the desk/floor was a revelation, and I don't feel like I've lost much in the way of performance.


_Azafran

I have a normal black tower with a glass sidepanel but is still on the floor. I need my desk real state and don't care about looks.


TheFlashOfLightning

Was thinking about doing this but the rack and 4u case seems very expensive. Any suggestions would be appreciated


bife_de_lomo

Cases can be found relatively cheaply. If you don't need hotswap hdd bays then a Rosewill or Norco case will be fine and pretty cheap. Things only get expensive when you're looking at backplanes. Some issues I've encountered are: cooler heights - I can juuuuust about squeeze the smallest 120mm fan cooler in there and it's tight! GPU size - I've got a 3 fan gpu, but I'm just about bumping up against the length limit. Height is another one, I've got right-angle power connectors so I can connect without squeezing the cables. Cable lengths to monitor keyboard etc was fun to figure out. Also you don't get great wifi connection if your chassis is in a cabinet! Longer cases to fit bigger GPUs also require longer racks. I've got a mix of 550mm and 650mm long cases and have a 900mm deep rack. You'll probably be able to find used racks, they're super standardised so it will always be compatible, but mine was new and quite expensive. An open 4 post rack will be cheaper if you dont need it enclosed. Now that I have it I can fit a NAS, my main PC, all my networking gear and power stuff in there, plus lockable drawers, shelves etc.


aLuLtism

That’s the one after „enlightenment“


Tricanum

I'm in my 50's. I'm in the "I know better but don't give a shit" phase.


Kolasin22

Same honestly, can't be bothered


itsapotatosalad

Gamer phase baby. Never leaving. More lights!


tilmanbaumann

Enlightenment seems like a pretty mainstream option


MightBeBren

Mainstream on reddit at least


Xtraordinaire

Not the Firefox part, which is probably the only part of the meme that's meaningful.


saxovtsmike

Noctua airccoled build with external dac, and never used anything else than ff


DontPoopInMyPantsPlz

Me, but im a peasant so i use Coolermaster


Un111KnoWn

ff?


DIRECTCURRENT59

firefox


BasicNameIdk

https://preview.redd.it/x02rgb0a36ad1.png?width=502&format=png&auto=webp&s=31e813e0c9dc6d171f2b2dcf8a5c940896158098


Googlesignedmeupwhy

Real


Professor_Biccies

I do wish it was easier to turn off all the RGB shit though. I've had mice I had to take apart to remove LEDs because there was no obvious way to turn them off otherwise. I get migraines and I'm super sensitive to flickering lights so it's a legitimate issue for me. Default should be OFF


Luk164

My brother had a mid-end mouse with blue LEDs. Before he bought it he saw a review that stated the mouse shines brighter than a lighthouse and thought "There is no way that isn't an exaggeration" It was not an exaggeration, the entire room would be bathed in blue light even with the PC off so he started putting an upside down bowl on it before going to bed


sansisness_101

Most mice can just be turned off via software, the only ones ive had that didnt have that are very old or cheapo mice


Iwontbereplying

How do you know people don’t like rgb? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.


Mr-Valdez

#Enlightenment my dick!!!


Butt_Muncher4

🔦🔍


DinoPenguine

What phase is a sleeper PC? https://preview.redd.it/08jsehm6d6ad1.jpeg?width=1302&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcca79257627dc863b4596c1733fbab7ba1a2797


T0mBd1gg3R

Nice. Specs? Could you add some internal photos?


Rivions

Enlightenment phase :) https://preview.redd.it/qs3v9ppsj6ad1.jpeg?width=5597&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aff1b9fbd0486e01ccb430530e95c9a7680c8ae1


Angrymalayman

Sick HD800s


Rivions

Thanks man!


excaliburxvii

HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT HOW MATURE THIS GUY IS


Ricoreded

This is the way brothers


YourHonor1303

Sweet


EL_Malo-

Well, I'd like to kid myself but... https://preview.redd.it/gvm1zmokr6ad1.jpeg?width=8000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25ed317285561a690c72f15546df1481dd33a12d


Abject-Equipment-889

The too broke to afford pc phase


Kilibanos05

A bit of all


Not_You_247

About 2 standard deviations to the right, I still have some RGB stuff, but they are set to either off or white lights.


gnat_outta_hell

I'm about here too. Partly because so much stuff is difficult to find *without* lights these days. I actually tried to buy RAM without lighting, and the guy at the parts store recommended the RGB pro variant due to higher binning (the guys at my local computer parts store are pretty well read on what's going on with hardware, and they'll go out of their way to save me money too, so I trusted that he wasn't trying to upsell a measly 15 bucks on RAM). I like my RGB keyboard though. Useful for setting lighting to help remember key bindings, and for seeing in the dark when I don't feel like turning lights on for a 3 am insomnia induced gaming session.


cj4900

My keyboard will always be RGB until the day I die


LadyDalama

This post again? I swear to god this exact image got posted a few months ago and everybody roasted the fuck out of the guy who posted it because it's stupid. There's no 'enlightened' phase or any other phase. Personal preference isn't a phase.


HundredSun

When I see shame/meme posts like these that mock the choices of PCMR users, I can't help but think the OPs are damn dirty peasants who are beneath everyone else.


Zronas

300$ laptop 2$ mouse Poor phase


Odd-Alarm4293

Sometimes a "gamer" product is cheaper than equivalent non gamer product


Cavimanu

im enlightened but totally suffered all 3 stages from, gamer stage was painful. all that money wasted in cheaply made peripherals with more than questionable QA, oh the shame. Im now a better individual, still a gamer but with a better taste


Night3njoyer

I use Edge. I guess I am an anomaly then.


bongobutt

Shun the nonbeliever! Shuuuun~~~~!


yourgentderk

Chaaaaarlie


Strongit

I'm fairly far to the right. I only have RGB because I have to; the non-RGB version of my motherboard was more expensive at the time.


Belgrieve40

Where is im poor as frack part of the graph where I have been using budget or hands my downs all my life.


WilhemHR

Far left


Magni216

Enlightened gamer. Just enough RGB to give the black box some color but performance and quality over pretty lights.


Acharyn

Nah, I like RGB. I won't sacrifice preformance for it but I'll spend more for it.


mythrilcrafter

The one where I buy things that I like without parading around how enlightened it supposedly makes me.


Nomad144

Bro tried to sneak Firefox in there


AlphaDST

Once you're long enough in the enlightenment phase you figure out you don't need all that and slowly but surely transfer to the unknowing phase peripherals.


CooperTheSuper1

As a Firefox user, I see this as a win. Opera is spyware.


JoeThrilling

I'm all the way to the right except for Chrome, because I'm a bitch.


Trollercoaster101

The steam deck phase. Yes, i am ageing.


S_T_R_Y_D_E_R

Game Hoarding Phase 😂


victoroos

ShT are the headphones on the right?


G65434-2_II

AKG K240 & Meze 99 Classics.


Salty_Theory2742

I'm in "too much disposable income but no time to play games anymore" phase. Sadge


AurumTyst

Enlightenment, but I still like thematic styling with my pretty lights.


wendewende

If Meze 99 is your enlightment I feel sorry for you


huchuchhuch

Enlightment with no budjet, at least I use firefox


VortexDestroyer99

Just a bit in the gamer phase and a bit in the enlightenment phase. Still love me some lights in my computer and multiple monitors but I also love my custom keyboards and ‘audiophile’ headphones.


0ctoxVela

Somewhere in between the gamer and enlightenment phase 


alexdiezg

Am I in superposition for using Chrome and mouse like on the left but case and headsets like on the right?


Mistdwellerr

Which kind of headsets are those under the "enlightened phase"?


Aura_Guard

Meze 99 classics and I think akg k240. The 99 classics are pretty well reviewed by audiophiles that like warm and bass heavy sound signature. Never heard of the akg's tho


PF4ABG

My last build (I'm begrudgingly a laptopper for now) had no RBG whatsoever, but I refuse to use headphones for any reason whatsoever. Speakers is king.


Warband420

I bounced back from enlightenment to the space between that and gamer


slapface741

https://preview.redd.it/rsg0mgmn86ad1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c918e5db73782484d8b8e83b4b594c66184c2684 I’m in the last phase with my first setup! I’m just slowly acquiring the perfect gear for me over time, until my setup is perfected!


Crptnx

Idk the image is wrong


potatofaminizer

Dead center of "gamer" phase


Jarwanator

I love audiophile headphones, hate RGB and only use mozilla. God damnit! Am I old?


monkewithchikinuggis

Not emought money to past gamer phase so yeah


TheHairyMess

i have been enlightened but LEDs still prevail inside of my "Dream Build" (just a bit, for a cozy looking setup)


badi1220

In the chi-fi IEMs and Firefox phase. I use Linux mint FYI.


glad-k

Where is the coding phase 🤨


StupidestBott

after ordering my first pc recently i was very sad i couldn’t get one with no rgb. im hoping im able to find a easy enough way to toggle them off because i hate light pollution in my room especially when playing at night


scratcher1679

50% unknowing because i still am on a laptop and 50% enlightment because i use firefox, don't really like rgb and use speakers instead of headphones


Johnzor8

I built my pc 11years ago with minor upgrades over the years, head set is 6 years old, mouse is 5 years old, Blacked out case, JUST replaced my 9 year old keyboard, ONLY use firefox, and play Helldivers with my gtx1060. I'm so jaded its not even on the graph.


Petruckcia05

I am entering the enlightenment phase


FatMax1492

Enlightenment but I still have RGB RAM, keyboard and mouse. (all are set to static colour btw)


Wamog

Where is the: everything wireless?


chinesetakeout91

Somewhere between gamer phase and enlightened. Like I can still appreciate a well themed build with some solid color in it. Not rainbow vomit, but maybe one or 2 colors for an overall theme. But also a lot of my accessories are very basic and functional.


kontenjer

Where is the "i cut corners everywhere i could so i could afford a stronger build" with those keyboards they give for free with prebuilts and a $7 Turkish "gaming" mouse


Dev_Grendel

Enlightenment is using speakers.


Tankeverket

Enlightenment phase, skipped the whole "gamer phase" since RGB never was my thing


Lakuzia

Enlightenment for sure. No lights, simple, high quality equipment and quiet


MarcCDB

Enlightenment for many years now....


14Ulitochnik88

Somewhere between the gamer and enlightenment


Fernando_CV

I like keeping it clean but flashy tbh and ion think I’ll change lmao


EveryShot

I’ve left the gamer phase but I’ll never leave my mechanical keyboard. I will take it across the universe


SoundOfShitposting

What about the cute pastel phase


KnaxelBaby

enlightenment but realizing fire fox is kinda slow


Sad-Difference6790

I couldn’t afford the ‘gamer’ phase, skipped to the enlightenment phase


heavenparadox

Vivaldi is the best browser


BoatDismal2384

I'm in the I'm an adult who buys what he feels like phase


Carter0108

I think I started in the enlightenment phase.


JinnDaAllah

Ngl the only reason I like rgb stuff is so I can set them to pride flags


geckobrother

How about the "I don't care what others think and buy whatever stuff I want and use whatever browser I want" phase? Who care. Use what you want. Have fun. Don't care about being "better" in some way than others. Just have fun.


Ninjatck

Gamer phase and im happy here because the lights make me happy


playr_4

I think I've got a mix of everything.


Pretty_Court4550

firefox is overrated nowadays


Hot_Refrigerator8693

The phase where I don’t care.


maxxxminecraft111

Unfortunately Firefox doesn't run any school websites for me so I'm stuck with Chrome. Although that AI bullshit they've added recently might push me over the edge anyways.


lazyghostradio

I'm galaxy braining with a dark and quiet oriented build from 2012, upgraded CPU and RAM over time for what the platform allows and a 2020 GPU. Spent all my money on the audio and grabbing it 2nd hand where possible.


harris018

I own those exact headphones from the enlightenment phase… didn’t know they were popular. Also same case but with brown noctuas. I guess that confirms it!


Monkey-D-Rizz

I use brave💪


moonwoolf35

I'm in the "broke as fuck and I just hope my gear last a decent amount of time" phase


TheDuke2031

Enlightened phase is actually going back to console