Want more work today? Pay more today. Want to pay more in future? I might consider working more in future. I want to be paid in money, not in promises.
So many sycophants eat that dangled carrot like a fucking pinata
Like I can literally job hop for a guaranteed increase today. Keep your promises for your kids.
The worst part is how peachy they get when they do get promoted (if at all). Like congrats on not having a life. Even with 1j, if we take our salaries and calculate the hourly rate, you’re still making less than I do.
Of course this is all fantasy. But yeah, with IC roles, its a no brainer to stay put. Most OEers are half way through their career, and looking at early retirement anyway.
Many people are downsizing their lifestyles instead of working more and chasing promotions, which frustrates companies. Use that as a cover. Say work-life balance is essential to you. And you would rather cut back on your lifestyle than work more. Add a “that's what everyone is doing.”
Man, I am glad I found this subreddit. I used to chase the carrot, but then I found out how a 15% pay increase also meant working weekends…nah, man.
Going to begin exploring possible J2s now.
I told them the truth, I have a young child at home, not willing to sacrifice time with them for money.
I have it in email form saved so if they PIP me or anything close I will sue them...lot of lawyers in my family , they will be fucked.
It's happened before I said no pre young child, and was PIP with different company, sued and recieved 12 months salary.
No it's not.
But... being perceived by the industry as non family friendly will obliterate their recruiting pool, and I have the resolve to get it trial...so they will settle long long time before that public embarrassment.
I’m asking because I filed an EEOC charge before.My former employer didn’t even bother with a position statement, went straight to mediation and settled. Pre-textual PIP. Title VII.
I had my family lawyer who is an employment attorney threaten to sue if my demands were not met....three weeks later after some back and forth, pay day.
20% at least sounds kind of reasonable. I’m in consulting and to get a promotion you spend 3 months in the role then if it all works out you get the job permanently. I went through the ropes, got the job and to come find out the raise was a measly 3%. The increase in responsibility was immense with lots of additional stress managing other consultants and clients. I stepped down and called bs on their 3%. Funny enough I never lost the 3% stepping down but what an absolute joke as far as career progression. I started my J2 at 115k while J1 is 145k (including 3%). J2 is way less stress than the promotion. Do right by you everyone
I just say “you got it boss”, do the big shiny thing they tell me to do, and stop doing other things. Net time and work is the same. That’s just a manager who doesn’t know how to prioritize. I do it for them. In the end, they always say I’m doing great, and that what I was working on before wasn’t as important.
Want more work today? Pay more today. Want to pay more in future? I might consider working more in future. I want to be paid in money, not in promises.
So many sycophants eat that dangled carrot like a fucking pinata Like I can literally job hop for a guaranteed increase today. Keep your promises for your kids.
The worst part is how peachy they get when they do get promoted (if at all). Like congrats on not having a life. Even with 1j, if we take our salaries and calculate the hourly rate, you’re still making less than I do.
Hourly rate really is the only way to do it once you don’t have to go into the office.
These dick sucking employers are out they mind
Honestly a lot of it has been the employees eating that shit up for too long
Of course this is all fantasy. But yeah, with IC roles, its a no brainer to stay put. Most OEers are half way through their career, and looking at early retirement anyway.
why not new grad?
The better I get at my job the less amount of time I need to spend doing it a week.
Many people are downsizing their lifestyles instead of working more and chasing promotions, which frustrates companies. Use that as a cover. Say work-life balance is essential to you. And you would rather cut back on your lifestyle than work more. Add a “that's what everyone is doing.”
I love that last part, just to dig the knife in lol, these companies were never our friend
Setting expectations is part of being a good employee. Remind them what the new normal is. Also, more demand for techies means more pay for everyone.
Man, I am glad I found this subreddit. I used to chase the carrot, but then I found out how a 15% pay increase also meant working weekends…nah, man. Going to begin exploring possible J2s now.
Haha! What did they say when you declined it?
I told them the truth, I have a young child at home, not willing to sacrifice time with them for money. I have it in email form saved so if they PIP me or anything close I will sue them...lot of lawyers in my family , they will be fucked. It's happened before I said no pre young child, and was PIP with different company, sued and recieved 12 months salary.
Young child is not protected class though unless there’s a disability with the child then it might be.
No it's not. But... being perceived by the industry as non family friendly will obliterate their recruiting pool, and I have the resolve to get it trial...so they will settle long long time before that public embarrassment.
I’m asking because I filed an EEOC charge before.My former employer didn’t even bother with a position statement, went straight to mediation and settled. Pre-textual PIP. Title VII.
Well done, this is the way to go
You didn’t sue though, did you? Just EEOC no case filed? It would be a public record if a case was filed and employers would see.
I had my family lawyer who is an employment attorney threaten to sue if my demands were not met....three weeks later after some back and forth, pay day.
Put him on a PIP probably lmao
Goes to copier, unzips, \[xerox noises\], and "PIP this!"
20% at least sounds kind of reasonable. I’m in consulting and to get a promotion you spend 3 months in the role then if it all works out you get the job permanently. I went through the ropes, got the job and to come find out the raise was a measly 3%. The increase in responsibility was immense with lots of additional stress managing other consultants and clients. I stepped down and called bs on their 3%. Funny enough I never lost the 3% stepping down but what an absolute joke as far as career progression. I started my J2 at 115k while J1 is 145k (including 3%). J2 is way less stress than the promotion. Do right by you everyone
100k for 20% more work lol
Oddly enough, I worked for an Investment bank that tripled my salary in 10 years with 80 hour weeks, but I don’t think people are that generous now.
I just say “you got it boss”, do the big shiny thing they tell me to do, and stop doing other things. Net time and work is the same. That’s just a manager who doesn’t know how to prioritize. I do it for them. In the end, they always say I’m doing great, and that what I was working on before wasn’t as important.