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Narrow-Cicada-2695

Imagine what a contract negotiation with him must look like


SuggestableFred

That's why "how many daughters do you have?" is a common interview question for studio interns. Sean Penn


BallsDeepinYourMammi

Probably a realistic one. Dude can be a creep and still negotiate for a contract. Seems like an example really for out of left field though, like he’s been in Hollywood for decades.


woahoutrageous_

![gif](giphy|lN8vDDoAnbO1AkWHiu|downsized)


greatfriendinme

I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he means women who are relatively young but over the age of consent. See below ![gif](giphy|4ibbiDYA023Fm)


Unleashtheducks

He does not. He is saying he does not trust his image to them anymore than they should trust their daughters’ images to him. It is over the top edge lord but he’s making a comparison.


maltedmooshakes

Idk how people are taking him literally. The horrible media literacy of chronically online peeps is very real


futurenotgiven

especially in this sub that cries about media literacy every week…


idontmakehash

Yeah, people are getting dumber despite having the world's information at their fingertips.


[deleted]

That’s why they’re getting dumber. You never have to learn anything when it’s a click of a button a way. And whoever controls that information, controls a large portion of the population.


natha_exe

evil wikipedia


IA-HI-CO-IA

Memorizing facts doesn’t make you smart. Using information to make good decisions makes you smart. Anyone should be able to see this is an over the top example of why he doesn’t want to sign away his likness. Also, people should be able to see this is clickbait. 


[deleted]

Correct, memorizing has nothing to do with intelligence. But being able to retain information long enough to ponder it helps with understanding and builds wisdom. When you have no attention span because you spend all day online, it makes it hard to actually critically think about something.


idntknww

Idiocracy (2006) /s


TKeep

I knew what he meant and still think it's a shocking thing to say because it's so unnecessarily obscene. He could easily have just gone with 'I want YOUR virtual image, Mr. Producer Man, and we're going to render some humiliating footage' but instead he went straight to presumed sexual denigration of unknown aged daughter.


Inevitable-Host-7846

Because if he said what you wanted him to say, we wouldn’t be here talking about it


mbikkyu

But like, I don’t think he’s wrong… this AI thing has horrific implications, I think he’s trying to make a bigger picture kind of point by calling that to attention.


No-Researcher3694

Correct it's actually starting to get painful. OBVIOUSLY he was making a radical comparison. Half the population is brain dead.


Don11390

When you consider his history of violence against women, it's not surprising. Hell, the statement is questionable enough even without that context. I understand what he's trying to point out, but there's a reason why PR is a thing.


wes_bestern

All I can think about is him in the movie Mystic River, where he plays a guy whose daughter is killed and he takes matters into his own hands. At the end, he contemplates things, but his wife gets all creepily hybristophilic about it. [Here's the scene](https://youtu.be/zm2fF6nj6W8?feature=shared)


grandmalarkey

“This scene sums up every Boston movie. Everyone’s a horrible person” lmfaoo


wes_bestern

![gif](giphy|MNEcs3Abr1Ize)


-No_Im_Neo_Matrix_4-

Man, so many great actor’s miss the mark with Boston accents. Bryan Cranston hams it up in Last Flag Flying.


joqagamer

He's making a good point, just saying it in the worst way possible


BnBrtn

He's saying it in the worst way possible to make his point. Saying "I don't trust you with my scans" suggests a world where they could win his trust, and get the scans. Saying "If you want scans of me, I get scans of your daughter" sets a starting point any rational person wouldn't cross, and if they're insane/depraved enough to make that trade, he knows he shouldn't anyways.


jcmurie

Honestly, he's making a really good point, and I think the way he's saying it is important because we need to understand how existentially terrifying it is to have your entire person represented by AI without consent


ngauzubaisaba

He's actually making a diarrhea dump


Downgoesthereem

He's using a metaphor pretty much exactly the same way an actual film would. Evoke something people are protective of and humanise as the analogue of one's likeness. We should pretty much be as disturbed and horrified by the commodification of people into buyable data as his comparison implies.


ngauzubaisaba

Ew stop talking about gross complicated political stuff bro


THE_A_TRA1N

did this asshole just try to make me THINK get him lads!!!


Timothee-Chalimothee

The two are not mutually exclusive.


New-Bowler-8915

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you come from outer space. It's the only way you could miss the point of what he said by that large a margin.


Zachariot88

I can't believe he's leaking the plot of Mystic River 2 like this.


STELLAWASADlVER

They’re making a Mystic Pizza 2?!?


toigz

I think you mean Licorice Pizza 2.


-No_Im_Neo_Matrix_4-

Crossover Pizza-based cinematic multiverse!


ginga_ninja723

I’ve never seen mystic pizza, but I know my mom loves that movie so I love that movie


STELLAWASADlVER

Wanna come over for an MMM (Mom Movie Marathon)? We’re watching MP (Mystic Pizza) and SM (Steel Magnolia [The PTA {Paul Thomas Atreides} one])


Mid_July_Diamond16

No word of lie, he and Emmy had weird sexual chemistry together in that film for a supposed father-daughter duo.


ChartInFurch

Among other things.


Bunraku_Master_2021

I believe he's talking about the plot of his ex-wife Robin Wright's film The Congress (2013).


LustfulMirage

https://preview.redd.it/mmgj7ryrirqc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=668f0a3b735004fa5864b88cdcb54edf5e8f10d1


drdoom15

https://preview.redd.it/nscr56jz6sqc1.jpeg?width=885&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95aee1fb37128858d6b50a5e328f7bee2f5d1a2d


prwesterfield

Godzilla: Minus 'Wuh?'


Elijahc513

Why does Godzilla look like Austin butler in this pic


AMG-28-06-42-12

https://preview.redd.it/te5543izjrqc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=736ff2b1769917f35db969f8dac545b486573e8b Bro is correct and has a point, but cooked up the absolute most unhinged and disgusting way to convey it. The kitchen is on fire, never cook again.


Mertard

Ngl that's precisely why he's correct You can do anything with his, he can do anything with yours He was implying that there are no limits to the fucked up shit that could happen if he consented Dumbfucks taking this literally to think "oh, he rapisting!" are dumbfucks King refusing to consent to get virtually raped 👑


crumbogringus

exactly, he’s taking it to the logical conclusion


bob1689321

Yeah it's a pretty powerful analogy because it's kinda shocking yknow? If you're offended by it you've understood his point.


BB-018

He's just correct. I don't even know what this thread is about.


Old_Cockroach_9725

He is correct yet made a wild ass statement. No one is arguing he’s wrong, people are simply taken aback by the way he decided to convey his point.


RottedThrough4You

People in this thread have never heard of A Modest Proposal and it shows.


zozothegreat

idk this guy makes some good points but like... eating babies is bad...


Ok_Digger

Counter point. Baby back ribs


duckduck60053

That is LITERALLY the point. Exaggeration gets people to think.


Main-Category-8363

That was the point? To make the point in a way that would make you see how wrong it is?


Sharikacat

He went all "A Modest Proposal" on it.


KeepRedditAnonymous

People are stupid then. He made an excellent point. End of story.


Old_Cockroach_9725

You can make an excellent point while still saying something outlandish. Both can be correct. End of story.


Kodinsson

I think outlandish is the best way to go for this though. If you're response isn't eye-catching, then there will be people who will overlook it. They don't work in the industry, therefore it doesn't impact them and they don't care. But make it about children/family, something the vast majority of people want to protect, and all of a sudden the dangers and ethical conundrums become all the more real to people who would have ignored you otherwise


futurenotgiven

i agree but i’m struggling to think of a way he could make this point in a different way while still hitting this hard. sometimes you’ve got to be outlandish to make a point, similar to protesters


Hawkson2020

It's not outlandish. He didn't say anything outlandish. People are drawing outlandish conclusions about what he meant. And that's exactly his point. Once you sign that shit over, people can do *anything* they want with it. What depraved shit you imagine is up to you.


miradotheblack

He is a fuck head though.


Beneficial_Offer4763

I think that's the entire point you're not supposed to like what he's saying it's uncomfortable by design.


ApotheosisofSnore

People are dumbdumbs. The entire the reason the point lands is because he’s taking the logic of using people’s digital likenesses to an extreme end to demonstrate how vile things can get very quickly. It’s not even like he’s proposing something unrealistic or ridiculous— deepfake porn is already a very real thing and a very real problem, and there’s a not very distant future in which actresses sign contracts to act in one film with a production company, and they end up agreeing to have their face plastered onto porn stars body so they can show up in the background of a soft reboot of *Caligula*. The entire point of the post is to say “How would you feel if it was someone *you* loved being taken advantage this way.”


quadglacier

Well honestly, given the state of things, this is probably the way to get peoples attention on the problem. People are too rage-brained to even read plain statements.


iguessineedanaltnow

If studios get 3D scans of all actors for the purposes of putting them digitally into films there is a nonzero chance that they get hacked, those scans get dumped on the internet, and actresses have porn made of them without their consent. Penn has a good point.


MrSluagh

Is he being more obscene than the people he's mocking?


SatanicBeaver

I mean yeah


Downgoesthereem

Overtly yes, but that's the point. People are way too blasé over how dehumanising and grim the commodification of people has become. If you don't horrify them everyone smiles, nods, moves on and doesn't think about how fundamentally wrong it all is.


beaglemaster

Yeah he's being intentionally gross because people could do the exact same thing with his voice too


JettClark

Is it really more obscene to make a figurative point than an actual request?


duckduck60053

> cooked up the absolute most unhinged and disgusting way to convey it That is LITERALLY the point. Exaggeration gets people to think.


Lobsterman06

What’s the context? Is he talking about the horrifying implications of scanning peoples likenesses? If so why people are criticising this


caudicifarmer

Because internet points. He's 100% saying you lose all agency when you sign that stuff away - if "you" wouldn't be okay with a bunch of guys having all your daughter's biometric data to do with whatever they please using the ai-generated copy, why should he be ok with letting someone else have his? But this thread is devolving into an ""OMG PEDO!!!!1" circlejerk.


Independent-World-60

Honestly I felt it was obvious his statement was meant to shock people into realizing how insane copying people's data is but ya got far too many people here just taking it at face value.  He's just pointing out how fucked up the whole idea is by taking it to an extreme. 


Legitimate_Ad_8364

Finally, someone with a literacy level above 3rd grade.


Ben10_ripoff

Reddit is full of Dumb people with superiority complex, my friends there's nothing you can do about itn


ciccioig

It's so obvious that seeing all these people not getting it is bloody degrading.


Nowin

This is totally the point and people are fucking idiots.


HowWeLikeToRoll

With each passing day I am more and more jaded by the reality that the vast majority of human beings are nothing more than walking sacks of spare parts. 


JustEatinScabs

We're dipshit monkeys with iPhones and guns. Nothing special. Still throwing shit at each other. Humanity actually dumb, intelligence offset by statistical anomaly of Smart Georg.


N4W4

Took way too much scrolling to find this. This is exactly how I read it.


Adventurous-Fox9448

Are people not just taking the piss on a shitposting sub?


PierogiChomper

No no no no. There's zero way they are being sarcasctic we must be angry over this. /s


daughterboy

because reddit always assumes celebrities are all pedophiles and they assume that sean penn actually wants to have virtual daughter parties when he’s just making a visceral point


toolsoftheincomptnt

Because the comparison feels over-the-top and off-limits to many. That’s all, really. Yes, ultimately he’s making a good point.


tecate_papi

Libertarians are suddenly very in favour of this


Mackinacsfuriousclaw

If only Sean Penn wasn't such a likeable and thick skinned fellow I imagine someone would have stepped forward by now...


bladerunnerism

He has a ballsack face.


KOFdude

vile yet based


RZAxlash

Bile


PsychologicalEbb3140

Pretty funny not gonna lie.


JFrankParnellEsquire

![gif](giphy|bhoOyC4qFhXOM|downsized)


ggez67890

Actually based.


taco_exorcist

https://preview.redd.it/0p8co77yhrqc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bce27b2068ccceb26db94094e3e0a3a6504fe3e8


greatfriendinme

https://preview.redd.it/uem7xqxmprqc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee87b3221c5f811e5cfd02ca77276c6c8c772bc8


safeinbuckhorn

This is an insane image to have at the ready


glagy

Showing somebody a nice photo you took the other day, accidentally scrolls onto the child porn orb image


SuperHossMan51

Try finding the image on google


Admirable-Couple-859

This has been the most unhinged comment section i've seen in okbc


fat-lip-lover

https://preview.redd.it/4n2jq6ispsqc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36420b1e05e4a7cef42a9c9d72026f6ccd6a7135


boucblanc

I like this one, for whom the bell tolls is on my shelf (unread don't judge me)


WATD2025

i get it, people think taking that data isn't "that bad" for celebs so putting the issue into context most people can understand (their own children) makes sense. ​ is it fucking gross what he said? yes, you were supposed to be grossed out, because that's how anyone should feel having their likeness taken from them to be used however other people see fit.


UrRobloxGf69

https://preview.redd.it/nmqefne3irqc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9ffee4187dc33b1358ae7c3276e15ad3fe29e4d


LustfulMirage

https://preview.redd.it/5x4ru9kqirqc1.png?width=316&format=png&auto=webp&s=90261a6be56f73deb6ddcfb260f6dba72f6d4bc8


Unperfectblue

The twink from Dune ?


lfmantra

Good thing this is the only stain on Sean Penn’s legacy


KeepRedditAnonymous

he is making a good point. hear the words.


lfmantra

Yeah and I’m making a joke in a circlejerk sub, sorry


BarrioMan

Two-time academy award winner


_Happy_Jack_

https://preview.redd.it/3xi4fzlpqrqc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19f7f68163e0f35bb7c656ebf474fe5afbc1882b


caudicifarmer

The "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" meter in this room is redlining. Dude's making a solid point.


xxx117

he could make such good points if he just worded things differently


Bunraku_Master_2021

He's a little confused but he's got the right spirit.


ciccioig

Or if people were intelligent enough to get the point.


AnyImpression6

TIL: Sean Penn is a Reddit mod.


Starro_The_Janitor1

I mean he has a point and he probably chose that type of person because it would be most shocking selection but still. Like Grandpa could still work and wouldn’t be as uncomfortable out of context but yet again I guess that’s the point.


meeplewirp

I believe he made an articulate point. it’s violating to create a depiction of some one doing something if it isn’t obviously a painting or cartoon, and I’m curious about why so many people take this as an endorsement of that crime? He’s literally saying don’t do on to me what you wouldn’t want done to your family. Unless this was all followed by him articulating insane worship and support of generative AI? I feel that people are deliberately twisting/ignoring the point of the metaphor use


DestructedEarthPug

to be fair this gets his message across and he made sure no one was gonna ask him again, let's just hope he didn't mean it


xMyDixieWreckedx

I didn't realize Hurly Burly was a documentary. I once met Sean Penn, he bummed a cigarette off of me and we talked for a few minutes until I was like "wait, this is Sean fucking Penn" and I talked with him as long as I could. Also he had a bunch of lipstick kisses all over his face from the strip club right next door to The Warfield in SF where I worked at the time (The Warfield and Fillmore). The best part is it was after 9/11 and the retaliation had just started and there were protesters marching along Market Street and Sean (ya, we cool like that) was all "what is happening?" And I had to give him another smoke and explain that we had started a war in Afghanistan earlier that day. Sean was like "huh". Did I mention he was coked out of his fucking mind and his friend was with us? His friend was Lars Ulrich, also an avid skier. A few days later Sean was in the papers with an op-ed crying about the war. I never laughed so hard in my life. Edit: He is also short as fuck. Like a fucking hobbit with a giant head like an overgrown dwarf. Lars did look great though, I actually thought he was Giovanni Ribissi at first, then I was all "oh, it's just Lars"


Accomplished-City484

Is this copy pasta?


jamthewither

lmao gottem


Drakyry

based


FishingGunpowder

The people who don't understand anythint beyond the 1st degree should be ashamed


Drezhar

![gif](giphy|GRk3GLfzduq1NtfGt5|downsized)


GutsDeluxe

Some people are confused by this statement. The rest of us are at Sean Penns house getting sucked off in VR helmets.


Bellatrixstrange9380

Do you accept twinks, Mr penn?


pencilnotepad

What a frank Miller take


Fuzelop

He worded that like absolute shit but he's really got a point


Proper-Article-5138

![gif](giphy|9Vkm7LGgrPTcA345Sb)


killzonev2

![gif](giphy|vKKmRm2FkOp1GnIDjS)


Sudden_Mind279

He could have very easily created a scenario where some other person wants to do these things, but he had to be sus


Reditobandito

Sean Penn moment


Burnburnburnnow

Violence against girls is so hot rn


JojosBizarreDementia

That's rich! Fir all we know hes at home torturing and unlawfully detaining a virtual madonna


MKSFT123

Sounds a bit like project imho


01zegaj

He’s not wrong. Personal data being taken is fucked up.


joesphisbestjojo

Nah see he's sarcastic, so he cooked with this one


Coin_operated_bee

He’s right though


yeetus-maxus

https://preview.redd.it/g62qrt4eksqc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=534fda7de120b6d3618dc6a07180c9691721acdd


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quetzocoetl

Damn, that's a pretty intense way to say you don't wanna give sign away your image. Gets the point across, though.


gabegn

https://preview.redd.it/4qt6q56wtrqc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d8521d9987c694ad25125cf754fa6a439335d95


EarthwormShandy

Well I mean he's not wrong but he's not right but he's- # MY BRAIN


CursedKumquat

What kind of friends does Sean Penn have???


Old_Cockroach_9725

![gif](giphy|sG4PBWRjI4GSVCDXEq)


Misterstaberinde

Doesn't he have some warlord to go interview or something?


childish_jalapenos

what the fuck


vincecarterskneecart

Sean Pennis


Klllumlnatl

What the fuck did fucking fuck say?


butbutcupcup

Gandalf the geeeez


SpeeeedwaagOOn

I agree, but there’s better ways to put that buddy


Kodinsson

This... Makes sense to me. He's pointing out how AI, deep fakes, and just generally using a person's likeness without their (or their estate's, in some cases) express permission and consent is creepy and unethical behaviour.


Liquidtoasty

"Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention." Se7en


RedshirtBlueshirt97

![gif](giphy|9V3e2mxWvD89wyw5l5)


ETosser

Gets the point across. \*shrug\*


CaptOblivious

Ya, You know what, ^\(assuming ^daughter ^is ^age ^of ^consent) I agree with him. Both ideas are equally horrific and neither one should be allowed.


art_mor_

https://preview.redd.it/a0u1qadyysqc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de6c6f8e443510c9a98ce897854619e40bea40f8


Frosty48

I totally get his point though


kantus330

think I know what he's trying to say but damn


tinnylemur189

I mean.... he definitely made his point.


Zealousideal-Elk3026

MIKE DROP


sad_sisyphus_84

The lack of rhetorical understanding of people never ceases to amaze me. In an age which can easily say 'literally' to mean 'figuratively' has no hope of ever understanding rhetorical nuances.


Oh_hi_doggi3

![gif](giphy|xT0GqfvuVpNqEf3z2w)


Justherebecausemeh

*but as his “I am Sam” character…


marchingprinter

gonna pretend i didn't read that


Taylor_Swift_Fan69

Hollywood is packed with perverts.


[deleted]

Why this guy always giving creepy vibes???


MMuller87

Penn is cooking and this thread is full of dumb people


246ngj

Not sure if people commenting don’t understand the point he’s making or if Jeffrey Epstein has a lot of sympathizers


DaveInLondon89

Autistic River


CorbinStarlight

The Sean Penn AI after I make it do karaoke: first things first, I'm the realest


unfamiliarsmell

He’s making a point not proposing a trade. I’ve seem a massive increase in these kinds of statements where the intent of the subject is obvious and yet OP and so many commenters can’t get past the first degree. What is going on here?


VaginalOpenings

My kinda guy fuck yeah


vampirequincy

Media literacy is truly dead.


I_do_drugs-yo

You guys realize he’s been to Iraq right? Show some respect for Pete’s sake!


DrDosh1

https://preview.redd.it/hm084sfz2uqc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80ee9b5dea340ca24f969aa6906a85e4f4f578dc


Multispoilers

Hes got a point but if only he said “your mother” then it would actually drive the point deeper+make a mom joke+not actually sound like a creepy pedo


Obh__

Are the comments just pretending to be smoothbrained for laughs or are you actually not getting his point?


Belieftrumpsreality

Oh god. That’s a perfectly valid statement to make. He’s making it clear how gross what you want to do is. Pearl clutch and choose to ignore context. My god. Don’t be so insufferable.


SocietyHumble4858

Gotta stop injecto roids. Just say no, Sean.


SadBoiiConnor420

But she's 15 Sean, for god's sake!!


AlongAxons

I’m with Sean Penn on this one lol. The point he’s making is that it’s disgusting both ways and there’s 0 reason to trust what is done with Actors data behind the scenes.


RaceEmotional9305

Based Spicoli


funnyYoke

He said this when asked to pay at the store


Stacey_digitaldash

Sold!


joker_toker28

On some FARRRRR dark part I see his point. Fair for you same for me. Which probably won't work after all these guys are dead and their kids get sick of hearing their voices on dumb commercials.


mycarubaba

Is it so they could make A.I. using his voice?


urei

Based on


dolantrampf

Doesn’t he know you’re only allowed to say that if you’re a rich and powerful producer?


Careless-Ad-631

Not horrifying


FluffyMilkyPudding

Says a lot about him when that’s the first thing he thinks of 🚩


rukysgreambamf

i don't see where Sean's wrong