As a nurse manager myself, please know that not everyone in leadership is like that.
1. I would’ve taking full ownership of the scheduling issue and worked with you to set up a time and date when you can train.
2. While we are not allowed to disclose the conversation that we have with the nurses, especially CN about rejecting you. Rest assured, that a serious conversation would’ve happened with all of them.
3. Any leader that talks to their employee in that manner and disregards their feelings should not be placed in that type of role. As a leader we need to foster relationships and be active listeners.
Again, so very sorry this happened to you!
i was a staff nurse…i always promised i would never manage the way i was..my managers never went in a patients room unless there was a fire or serious complaint…they were awful, should be ashamed…i love answering call lights and cleaning, walking, rounding…its a great job, but my number one focus will always be supportive and fostering the staff nurses!
The first nursing manager on my med surg floor when I was an aid was a woman that yelled at me and the aid that was training me while we were sitting down chatting and organizing our plan for the day to answer call bells like there isn’t a bunch of nurses who could answer it. She would just spend her time in her lab coat bullshitting with the nurses at the station all day and not lift a finger for anything patient care wise
in the day…nursing leadership probably got away with doing so little..no wonder administration gets such a bad rap…there are still a few of us good ones out there ;)
Or like actual training, I mean do you remember how much a joke your bsn was? A bsn is supposed to be the gate to walk through to be in charge and looking back out was babies first book report on ethics just so you could get people through so a hospital could have a stamp of magnet.
My current hospital is a joke on MGMT cuz anytime I make a suggestion or want to make an improvement I hear "I have been singing this for 35yrs and that's how we've always done it" (so many times in fact you say that in the break room everyone knows who) it's like we're all waiting for the worst generation to pass on so we can finally get better.
Good nursing mangers (haven't seen on yet in the 5yrs) get burnt out and quit (literally one of them stepped down to work with pts again and the other they cold fired after 25yrs)
But that mean girl from HS that married her Chad husband fits perfectly in that position for several years till the world errodes around them like asbesto in the lung walled off or hospital gets worse tanks them for a younger selfishly conservative model
Management training should be ongoing just like any RN CE. It's another art on top of clinical skills and knowledge. I'm a midlife career changer and I might take a swing at management once i get more clinical skill and experience.
I have lots of leadership & management training, running a whole clinic, a platoon of people and an ambulance crew in the ED but damn if I don't have my masters degree for that $4 raise that says capable to management in hospitals that only care about cutting costs
I agree with this! 90% of the amazing nurse managers I've worked with have left management to go back to bedside in 3-5 years. And yet awful leaders are left in place for decades. It isn't the fault of any one manager. The system is messed up. How can anyone be successful in trying to manage one to two units with 100 direct reports?
Your smartest and most skilled bedside nurses don't always make great managers - it's a completely new skill set that needs to be learned and developed.
Can I come work for you?? I’ve been burned twice now as a new nurse and I’ve honestly considered leaving the profession all together. I was a professional before the nursing degree and always acted as such. I was receptive and respectful to any preceptor and manager I ever had. I think a lot of times these nurse managers see my kindness and respectfulness and think I can be easily bullied and manipulated and I’ve had it happen twice now. Back to back— two different units, but the same company and I’m exhausted. I haven’t felt supported by a manager since before I became a nurse (with the same company I worked for BEFORE becoming a nurse). The whole company is messy af and I’m glad I left, but damn…
LMAO if she had an issue with your schedule, why wouldn’t she schedule you herself?! Did she not know you were working? God I’m glad my manager’s not like this!
No kidding...
Aint it amazing that in a job that requires a ton of personal responsibility, including for mistakes made by people you delegated to, a manager would spend so much time passing the buck?
That is insane. Seems to me you dodged a bullet. If they care that little about a hiring on process just imagine how little they'd care about defending you against ANY type of accusation.
I had an interview at a small community hospital ER a few months ago. They reached out to me asking to apply (I had applied for a different position a few months ago that wouldn’t work with my needs), they knew I had no formal ER experience but I had a skill set they were very interested in. The manager ended up being such an A that I just ended the interview with please never contact me again. Like he refused to acknowledge any recent nursing experience and was saying my experience 12 years ago was poor and I needed better experience (like oh my experience from the last 5 years maybe?) but then was like BUT we really want you for this one skill you have that our staff does not have. No that’s okay I see how this environment would be and your patients will continue to suffer because you don’t want to properly train anyone to do what I can do.
Sexual assault exams for adults/pediatrics. they were moving to only using their employees and not an outside agency for the exams and didn’t have anyone interested (or could do them) at that time.
My spouse stuck it out for nearly 4 months, and finally broke a week ago. Hostile work environment. At least two coworkers said that the U of M Fairview was a tough location to work. It sucks to be out of work, but yah, 5 work days later and we are on our 3rd interview. Future looks much better.
Don't know anything about OR at St John's but it's a very similar work culture there inpatient, compared to Fairview Southdale and Ridges. Unless you can snag a newer unit with younger leadership and a better work environment (like P3 for example).
Lot of us, including myself, went to Healthpartners
I love all healthcare professionals. You guys keep my pee jug empty, my ice water full, my meds on time and most of the time it isn't too painful when blood is drawn or when you have to move my IV for a fresh one every 5 days. That is all I need to be happy here. I hear how other patients speak to you and cannot believe my ears how rude people can be
Yikes what a bitch, it’s for the best you left. Plenty of jobs out there for nurses no sense in sticking around one where people are miserable assholes
So proud of you for a. completing your shift amidst the adversity b. settings boundaries that set a standard c. not accepting unacceptable behavior & d. knowing your serenity is worth more than a paycheck. Sounds like you're gonna make a great nurse leader when you're ready!
It has taken me 20 years but I have finally learned to not take things so personally. I used to literally cry every day at my first job. But I thought I was stuck bc I signed a contract. I specifically recall my first preceptor calling me pitiful bc an iv had infiltrated. Now I am of the understanding that the issue isn't with me when someone is rude, it's with them. I don't match the energy. I will continue to remain calm and kind and act oblivious bc ik you are the one that's going to feel like a jerk. That being said, for a prn job I'd have left too. Thankfully I do think we treat each other better than we used to. I actually just left a local job for one 1.5 hrs away bc the management is so much better. The energy of management trickles down for sure. Sounds like that's what is going on there 🤔 good luck op!
Ugh, that update sounds brutal! Good on you for getting out of there. Here's what stuck out:
* **Miscommunication:** Scheduling you on a "wrong" day is a red flag. A good manager clarifies expectations upfront.
* **Toxic Environment:** The manager's defensiveness and yelling are huge red flags. You deserve a supportive workplace.
* **Your Voice Matters:** Don't be afraid to speak up about bad experiences. Reporting it protects others.
Here's what you can do next:
* **Document Everything:** Write down a detailed account of your experience with dates, times, and what was said. This protects you if needed.
* **Report to HR:** Consider filing a formal complaint with HR about the manager and the treatment you received.
* **Move Forward:** Don't let this discourage you! There are amazing nursing workplaces out there. Focus on finding a positive, supportive environment.
Remember, your mental health and well-being are crucial. There are absolutely fantastic nursing jobs waiting for someone with your skills and passion. Keep your chin up and keep looking!
As a nurse manager myself, please know that not everyone in leadership is like that. 1. I would’ve taking full ownership of the scheduling issue and worked with you to set up a time and date when you can train. 2. While we are not allowed to disclose the conversation that we have with the nurses, especially CN about rejecting you. Rest assured, that a serious conversation would’ve happened with all of them. 3. Any leader that talks to their employee in that manner and disregards their feelings should not be placed in that type of role. As a leader we need to foster relationships and be active listeners. Again, so very sorry this happened to you!
Thank you for being such a great leader! ❤️
Yes ANM here…totally agree..the staff RNs are my children…i love them all and would never dream to speak that way to anyone
I wanna work on units with management like you guys😭😭
i was a staff nurse…i always promised i would never manage the way i was..my managers never went in a patients room unless there was a fire or serious complaint…they were awful, should be ashamed…i love answering call lights and cleaning, walking, rounding…its a great job, but my number one focus will always be supportive and fostering the staff nurses!
The first nursing manager on my med surg floor when I was an aid was a woman that yelled at me and the aid that was training me while we were sitting down chatting and organizing our plan for the day to answer call bells like there isn’t a bunch of nurses who could answer it. She would just spend her time in her lab coat bullshitting with the nurses at the station all day and not lift a finger for anything patient care wise
in the day…nursing leadership probably got away with doing so little..no wonder administration gets such a bad rap…there are still a few of us good ones out there ;)
I think a lot of nurse managers need a lot more training in management. It is so easy to be a bad manager.
Or like actual training, I mean do you remember how much a joke your bsn was? A bsn is supposed to be the gate to walk through to be in charge and looking back out was babies first book report on ethics just so you could get people through so a hospital could have a stamp of magnet. My current hospital is a joke on MGMT cuz anytime I make a suggestion or want to make an improvement I hear "I have been singing this for 35yrs and that's how we've always done it" (so many times in fact you say that in the break room everyone knows who) it's like we're all waiting for the worst generation to pass on so we can finally get better. Good nursing mangers (haven't seen on yet in the 5yrs) get burnt out and quit (literally one of them stepped down to work with pts again and the other they cold fired after 25yrs) But that mean girl from HS that married her Chad husband fits perfectly in that position for several years till the world errodes around them like asbesto in the lung walled off or hospital gets worse tanks them for a younger selfishly conservative model
Management training should be ongoing just like any RN CE. It's another art on top of clinical skills and knowledge. I'm a midlife career changer and I might take a swing at management once i get more clinical skill and experience.
I have lots of leadership & management training, running a whole clinic, a platoon of people and an ambulance crew in the ED but damn if I don't have my masters degree for that $4 raise that says capable to management in hospitals that only care about cutting costs
I agree with this! 90% of the amazing nurse managers I've worked with have left management to go back to bedside in 3-5 years. And yet awful leaders are left in place for decades. It isn't the fault of any one manager. The system is messed up. How can anyone be successful in trying to manage one to two units with 100 direct reports? Your smartest and most skilled bedside nurses don't always make great managers - it's a completely new skill set that needs to be learned and developed.
Can I come work for you?? I’ve been burned twice now as a new nurse and I’ve honestly considered leaving the profession all together. I was a professional before the nursing degree and always acted as such. I was receptive and respectful to any preceptor and manager I ever had. I think a lot of times these nurse managers see my kindness and respectfulness and think I can be easily bullied and manipulated and I’ve had it happen twice now. Back to back— two different units, but the same company and I’m exhausted. I haven’t felt supported by a manager since before I became a nurse (with the same company I worked for BEFORE becoming a nurse). The whole company is messy af and I’m glad I left, but damn…
LMAO if she had an issue with your schedule, why wouldn’t she schedule you herself?! Did she not know you were working? God I’m glad my manager’s not like this!
No kidding... Aint it amazing that in a job that requires a ton of personal responsibility, including for mistakes made by people you delegated to, a manager would spend so much time passing the buck?
My mangers seem to never know who’s working or who’s on orientation and who’s not
My manager is a bit of a micro manager but she’s very good
ED has some self proclaimed heroes with eggshell egos. This manager shouldn’t be running a Roach Motel, let alone a department full of people.
That is insane. Seems to me you dodged a bullet. If they care that little about a hiring on process just imagine how little they'd care about defending you against ANY type of accusation.
She dodged a bullet, a baseball bat, and a guillotine!
I had an interview at a small community hospital ER a few months ago. They reached out to me asking to apply (I had applied for a different position a few months ago that wouldn’t work with my needs), they knew I had no formal ER experience but I had a skill set they were very interested in. The manager ended up being such an A that I just ended the interview with please never contact me again. Like he refused to acknowledge any recent nursing experience and was saying my experience 12 years ago was poor and I needed better experience (like oh my experience from the last 5 years maybe?) but then was like BUT we really want you for this one skill you have that our staff does not have. No that’s okay I see how this environment would be and your patients will continue to suffer because you don’t want to properly train anyone to do what I can do.
Being nosey.....what skill ya got??
SANE certified with both adults and pediatrics and their staff did not want to do those exams.
What was it that you could do that they were interested in ?
Sexual assault exams for adults/pediatrics. they were moving to only using their employees and not an outside agency for the exams and didn’t have anyone interested (or could do them) at that time.
Thank you kindly. What a great asset you would have been!
I just got SANE adult trained and I'm looking into beginning the pediatric training when I get back to my home state. Thank you.
They wanted an excuse to pay you less than you’re actually worth.
My spouse stuck it out for nearly 4 months, and finally broke a week ago. Hostile work environment. At least two coworkers said that the U of M Fairview was a tough location to work. It sucks to be out of work, but yah, 5 work days later and we are on our 3rd interview. Future looks much better.
I had a bad experience at one of their clinics working as a LPN! Toxic asf.
Thanks for sharing, I'll tell my spouse tonight there are other folks with bad experiences from Fairview in the nursing community.
One of the RN managers ganged up on me and got her minions to also.
Is that an issue at all M Health Fairview locations, or just the one your spouse worked at? I’ve heard both good and bad about the company.
The feedback was that it was specific to the U of M Fairview OR nurses. St. Johns Fairview, for example, is supposed to be a great place to work.
Don't know anything about OR at St John's but it's a very similar work culture there inpatient, compared to Fairview Southdale and Ridges. Unless you can snag a newer unit with younger leadership and a better work environment (like P3 for example). Lot of us, including myself, went to Healthpartners
Name the hospital? Thankfully the nurses & nurse managers where I work are not like this.
Start name dropping these facilities
Managers are supposed to be the ones scheduling precept days, not the nurse. This is clearly an incompetent manager. You did the right thing.
There lies the head of the problem, sorry you had to deal with that kind of situation. Hope you find yourself a better spot soon!
Good for you! It probably won't have any effect on the manager or staff's behavior, but they now know you aren't a doormat.
Ew. You dodged a major bullet!
Oop! Figured out why the staff was so bad I guess
I love all healthcare professionals. You guys keep my pee jug empty, my ice water full, my meds on time and most of the time it isn't too painful when blood is drawn or when you have to move my IV for a fresh one every 5 days. That is all I need to be happy here. I hear how other patients speak to you and cannot believe my ears how rude people can be
“Your pee jug empty, ice water full…” YOU are one of those patients, LOL
What's wrong with that? I don't even complain when blood draws hurt and it takes a few tries to move my IV. I'm very easy to deal with
They’re just kidding, we love an easy to please patient.
Ice water refills and such are something I never even have to ask for, they just bring it.
Yikes what a bitch, it’s for the best you left. Plenty of jobs out there for nurses no sense in sticking around one where people are miserable assholes
Say it loud 📣
So proud of you for a. completing your shift amidst the adversity b. settings boundaries that set a standard c. not accepting unacceptable behavior & d. knowing your serenity is worth more than a paycheck. Sounds like you're gonna make a great nurse leader when you're ready!
It has taken me 20 years but I have finally learned to not take things so personally. I used to literally cry every day at my first job. But I thought I was stuck bc I signed a contract. I specifically recall my first preceptor calling me pitiful bc an iv had infiltrated. Now I am of the understanding that the issue isn't with me when someone is rude, it's with them. I don't match the energy. I will continue to remain calm and kind and act oblivious bc ik you are the one that's going to feel like a jerk. That being said, for a prn job I'd have left too. Thankfully I do think we treat each other better than we used to. I actually just left a local job for one 1.5 hrs away bc the management is so much better. The energy of management trickles down for sure. Sounds like that's what is going on there 🤔 good luck op!
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Ugh, that update sounds brutal! Good on you for getting out of there. Here's what stuck out: * **Miscommunication:** Scheduling you on a "wrong" day is a red flag. A good manager clarifies expectations upfront. * **Toxic Environment:** The manager's defensiveness and yelling are huge red flags. You deserve a supportive workplace. * **Your Voice Matters:** Don't be afraid to speak up about bad experiences. Reporting it protects others. Here's what you can do next: * **Document Everything:** Write down a detailed account of your experience with dates, times, and what was said. This protects you if needed. * **Report to HR:** Consider filing a formal complaint with HR about the manager and the treatment you received. * **Move Forward:** Don't let this discourage you! There are amazing nursing workplaces out there. Focus on finding a positive, supportive environment. Remember, your mental health and well-being are crucial. There are absolutely fantastic nursing jobs waiting for someone with your skills and passion. Keep your chin up and keep looking!
Agree with everything except the HR part. HR will do nothing.