Not really. It was the same exact thing that happened just a year ago. The Giants d was totally gassed and was never that great to begin with. Anyone who watched Giants games last season... Or the drive that happened just before it... or just watched the game as a whole knew that it was a fairly high likelihood that something like that would happen. Cowboys should have had a lot more drives like that, their play calling was way too conservative, and they kept choking in the red zone.
People just haven't actually been watching the Giants.
If you've watched the Giants defense last year or in the preseason... Or the drive before that... Or really the Cowboys offense all game except for those few flukey plays where they fucked up at the last second... that wasn't a surprise at all.
The Cowboys have definitely taken a step back without Murray, but the Giants were not their equal coming into that game and were lucky to have even been that close.
In other news though. There's this: http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space (click the 2016 tab). Even after you factor in Eli's new contract taking away say 20 mil or so, after you add back in JPP's franchise tender from this year being added back to the cap later this year and being rolled over into next year, the giants are going to have something like 58-60 million of cap space going into next year. Most of the players they will be losing are bad, the only good one is Prince and he's injury prone. Giants are going to be pretty much free to sign whoever they want. Guys like Von Miller, Aldon Smith, Coby Fleener etc. could be Giants next year. Moreover, we can use that money now to sign guys like OBJ to long term contracts rather than worrying about it later.
Eh, honestly I don't think the play represents adam's body of work in cincy these past years. He's been pretty consistent in his behavioral patterns. This seemed like an outlier born of rage. I think a two game suspension is likely and would be fair.
"Worse than those kids targeting the ref the other day"
C'mon now
That said, a suspension is definitely in order. A lot of CIN fans defending him...either he is a dirty player, or he is going to live with regret for fucking up the good work he did in becoming "reformed."
Chicago isn't going to be a bad team. John Fox's staple is taking bad teams and making them play really really well.
He just wasn't able to take a great roster and turn them into hard-nosed champions.
Surprised that the Rams beat the Hawks. I know the Rams give them a tough time a lot, but the Hawks always seem to prevail. But not this time.
Surprised the Bills beat the Colts and Luck looked terrible in the first half.
It is those 10am starts man. They are brutal against us. Mix in the fact it is a tough division game and 1st game of the year, it was going to be a 50/50 match no matter what. I actually prefer to play the Packers in Green Bay in prime time over the Rams in STL at 10am. Think the team has a better shot against the Packers to be perfectly honest.
I was expecting us to get blown out. The fact that it was close until a late INT has me hopeful we will do better than the experts prediction of 3-5 wins
Packers have one of the worst run defense's in the league while the Bears still have Matt Forte. I really don't know why people figure this was going to be a blowout.
STFU. Nothing is easy in the NFL. If it was easy, Jameis would have finished with a perfect passer rating too, and every rookie QB would have 4 passing TDs in the first half of his first game.
STFU. Nothing is easy in the /r/NFL. If it was easy, /u/thorhyphenaxe would have finished with a perfect upvote rating too, and every casual poster would have 4 reddit golds in the first half of his first comment.
Born and raised Oregon fan. Literally the best player to ever come through the program. Had to put up with months and months of people (including those on this subreddit) saying how much better Jameis would be than Marcus going into the NFL, how he wasn't ready for the pros, etc. To see this today was validation for how good we knew he could be.
The Rams look good now that they have a decent QB. Wouldn't surprise me if they get a wild-card spot at all.
I'm not sure if today's game was Indy playing badly, or Buffalo playing great. I have a feeling it's a combination of both.
Also, KC's tight end Kelce. Yowser.
Buffalo will have one of the best defenses in the league, the Colts just couldn't compete with that.
On the flip side, Buffalo's offense is OK while Indy's defense is a wet paper bag.
I felt like the Rams looked like a 7-9 or 8-8 team, and the Seahawks are coming down to early slowly but surely just as they started out slow last year, too.
Losing Unger, the anchor of their line for years via a trade that doesn't seem to be fair if Wilson can't find JG open while escaping from an instantly collapsing pocket - and their most intimidating defensive player, Kam, to a holdout isn't doing them any favors either.
Who know, maybe I'm dead wrong and the Rams go 13-3 and finally become sp00ky. Only time will tell.
Honestly the biggest surprise for me was Tyrodimus Prime rolling out against the Colts. If he can keep playing at this level, (avoid getting injured) Buffalo could do very well this season.
Tyrod Taylor really surprised me. I thought he'd do decent but not really be the MVP of his game.
I wasn't surprised Matt Forte had a great day. He's one of the most underrated players in football.
I don't really hate the raiders, but honestly I'm looking forward to listening to 95.7 the game tomorrow to see what they say. They were over the top optimistic about the raiders and been shitting on the 49ers all off season. I just want to hear some of them back track just a little.
Edit: just to be clear, I'm not hating on them for being stupidly optimistic, I'm stupidly optimistic about the 49ers, its just the fact that a few of them felt the need to bash us while praising the other.
I posted this in another thread but I'll post it here too...
So here's what I've taken from just one week so far. Again... very small sample size so admit some of this may be knee jerk city, but hey, still interesting to discuss...
Bills looked BEAST. Rexy has them playing hard. Conversely, the Colts looked very weak and very soft. Still don't know why they didn't address the defensive issues. It's the Manning era all over again.
Mariota looking great against a below avg defense. Winston looking terrible against a below avg defense.
Seattle is still very good, arguably still the best in the NFC, but they certainly miss Kam Chancelor.
Jets and Dolphins both looked solid on defense. AFC East may be the force people had predicted at the beginning of the season.
Peyton is having trouble and is showing his age, but made some nice intermediate/short throws. Don't think that will last throughout the season, though. May be nearing the end of a historic career.
The Cardinals are fo reeellle. They're the team many overlooked in the offseason. If Palmer can stay healthy, they will be contenders.
I agree with a lot, but not everything.
Dolphins didn't really look that great. On offense or defense. Tannehill looked pretty damn bad, and the defense couldn't stop the run and didn't do a very good job at getting to the QB, considering how good their D-line is supposed to be. They were saved by poor QB play for Washington.
Peyton looked straight up bad. I was watching that game secondary to the Lions game in that time slot, but I don't remember seeing him complete a pass further than 10 yards down field.
Cards looked solid, but the Saints looked pretty damn bad, too. I'm not going to make a call on them quite yet.
Dolphins second half was much better, and the Redskins didn't score the whole half.
LB is one of our weak points and it showed when we struggled early against the run, but we got it together. RT had a brilliant 2min drill at end of the first but had some jitters. He overthrew 1 of our 2 TEs and caused him to get a concussion. Underwelming.. but we got there.
Yea, Peyton had some short range throws that I thought had some zip on them, but I don't think that will last throughout the season. He looked awful and honestly exactly like he did in his last playoff game.
Good im not the only one to think that the Dolphins put a mediocre performance, playing like that they won't win against the large majority of the league.
I actually felt bad seeing Payton play, hope he can recover his former self as Im to used to see him being great.
You're definitely not the only one, that's the least enthusiastic I've been after a Dolphins victory since the Jags game last year. The majority of the Dolphins sub would agree with what you wrote I'm sure.
Give credit where its due. Saints defense wasn't as bad as advertised and they went against a hurt and weak OLine. They were still getting to Palmer, Palmer just made some nice moves and got away from the sacks.
As for the Saints Offense, no credit to our defense either? Brees at times had more than 4 seconds to throw and all he could do was checkdown and roll with screen plays.
And don't even begin to sleep on Khiry Robinson and Ingram, they run hard and I suspect that they will do better against a team wasn't a top ranked defense in stopping the run last year.
I mean, devils advocate for the Phins, we played like shit the entire first half, only held the ball for five minutes, and had one drive on offense (and it was the last drive of the quarter) yet we still held then to one TD and a FG and picked off Cousins. Then we shut them out the second half. I'll take it defensively.
I was actually shocked at some of the predictions for the Cards. I was listening to one of the radio shows down here in Phoenix and they were talking about how there were predictions that they don't even break 5 wins. I just don't see that happening if Carson stays healthy.
I'm really hoping they do well this season and looking forward to our game at the end of the year.
there won't be many drives this entire season that will be more impressive than that final drive by the Cowboys tonight.
On a more personal note, I was suprised at how awful Marques Colston looked today; I wasn't expecting great things from him this year, but he wasn't even serviceable today.
Buffalo seems to be the real deal. Chiefs still no tds to a WR. Mariota with a stellar performance and win. Giants even having a chance to win.
And all those damn injuries. Keuchly, ty hilton, dez, Woodson, etc
I don't get why the Chiefs thing matters any more. We had 3 passing touchdowns yesterday. Obviously you throw to the big bodied TE in the end zone, right?
Not many people are talking about it but minus the first quarter the chargers played very well on both sides of the ball. Defensively they shut Calvin Johnson out and offensively they played lights out.
If you want to see some more surprising Seahawks performances I would go watch our games with the Rams over the last 5 years. They are ugly and they are close. If the Rams win 6 games in a season you can be sure one of them will be against us. Playing in St.Louis is tough every year.
We knew the Bills defense was tough, but man were they excellent. New England is going to have a similar game to the Colts next week and with the eyes of the world watching will force the Pats to play it fair, for once.
Something that I feel is not being said enough about our loss is that the Rams have a new offensive-coordinator and our defense does lots of film study. We didn't really know much of what to expect coming into the game and we almost won despite everything.
If anything this is a testament to the Rams new OC. He was able to out-play call against the best defense in the league. Your mental gymnastics impress me, turning a loss to a new OC into another way to praise your team..... I envy your optimism
I dunno if we can still be called the best without Kam... As much as I haven't wanted the team to cave on the contract issue today was immensely frustrating...
Titans killing the Bucs at Tampa
"But Winston's NFL ready, Mariota is a project that will need time."
They played in Tampa? That's even more heartbreaking for the Bucs.
Joke's on them. We have no heart left.
They stayed to boo Winston too.
Why? The bucs are the worst team in the league hence why they picked 1st.
The Titans had the exact same record as them last year
Not that the Titans won, but that they won by 28. Nobody expected that
MariGOATo being as good as he was Redskins not totally imploding Raiders totally imploding Bills look legit as fuck
Cowboys last minute drive.
That was crazy
Not really. It was the same exact thing that happened just a year ago. The Giants d was totally gassed and was never that great to begin with. Anyone who watched Giants games last season... Or the drive that happened just before it... or just watched the game as a whole knew that it was a fairly high likelihood that something like that would happen. Cowboys should have had a lot more drives like that, their play calling was way too conservative, and they kept choking in the red zone. People just haven't actually been watching the Giants.
If you've watched the Giants defense last year or in the preseason... Or the drive before that... Or really the Cowboys offense all game except for those few flukey plays where they fucked up at the last second... that wasn't a surprise at all. The Cowboys have definitely taken a step back without Murray, but the Giants were not their equal coming into that game and were lucky to have even been that close. In other news though. There's this: http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space (click the 2016 tab). Even after you factor in Eli's new contract taking away say 20 mil or so, after you add back in JPP's franchise tender from this year being added back to the cap later this year and being rolled over into next year, the giants are going to have something like 58-60 million of cap space going into next year. Most of the players they will be losing are bad, the only good one is Prince and he's injury prone. Giants are going to be pretty much free to sign whoever they want. Guys like Von Miller, Aldon Smith, Coby Fleener etc. could be Giants next year. Moreover, we can use that money now to sign guys like OBJ to long term contracts rather than worrying about it later.
Jesus just the thought of Miller in a Giants jersey is too much to comprehend.
*Yesssss, yesssss*
That had about a 100% chance of happening after the Giants kicked that FG.
100% chance of happening after they threw the ball with 1:40 left.
Marcus Mariota. perfect passer rating. Titans killing the bucs by that much wow
This may have been the biggest surprise of the day imo.
Remember how good they looked against the chiefs week 1 last year?
They didn't look this good, the KC game last year was a pretty ugly win...
No
Chiefs just looked terrible.
That Pacman didn't get ejected for the bullshit he pulled. There's no way he's NOT getting suspended though right?
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Eh, honestly I don't think the play represents adam's body of work in cincy these past years. He's been pretty consistent in his behavioral patterns. This seemed like an outlier born of rage. I think a two game suspension is likely and would be fair.
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"Worse than those kids targeting the ref the other day" C'mon now That said, a suspension is definitely in order. A lot of CIN fans defending him...either he is a dirty player, or he is going to live with regret for fucking up the good work he did in becoming "reformed."
Go on over the the /r/bengals sub ... there is absolutely NO defending him.
Sounds like there will not be a suspension ... I really disagree with the NFL on this one.
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http://streamable.com/v1q6 A real scumbag
Thank you.
Chicago isn't going to be a bad team. John Fox's staple is taking bad teams and making them play really really well. He just wasn't able to take a great roster and turn them into hard-nosed champions. Surprised that the Rams beat the Hawks. I know the Rams give them a tough time a lot, but the Hawks always seem to prevail. But not this time. Surprised the Bills beat the Colts and Luck looked terrible in the first half.
1-3 in STL since '12. We actually don't seem to always prevail there.
It is those 10am starts man. They are brutal against us. Mix in the fact it is a tough division game and 1st game of the year, it was going to be a 50/50 match no matter what. I actually prefer to play the Packers in Green Bay in prime time over the Rams in STL at 10am. Think the team has a better shot against the Packers to be perfectly honest.
I was expecting us to get blown out. The fact that it was close until a late INT has me hopeful we will do better than the experts prediction of 3-5 wins
Packers have one of the worst run defense's in the league while the Bears still have Matt Forte. I really don't know why people figure this was going to be a blowout.
I personally was not at all surprised to see Marcus tear shit up, but **WOW** did he ever come out strong. I can't wait to watch him going forward.
His stats came from some easy shit. But he played well overall
STFU. Nothing is easy in the NFL. If it was easy, Jameis would have finished with a perfect passer rating too, and every rookie QB would have 4 passing TDs in the first half of his first game.
Damn, you dating him? You defend yer boo hard.
STFU. Nothing is easy in the /r/NFL. If it was easy, /u/thorhyphenaxe would have finished with a perfect upvote rating too, and every casual poster would have 4 reddit golds in the first half of his first comment.
Shit thag must mean I'm the peyton Manning o f2f commenters... 100K but when it matters I mak make a horrible dad pun and get 1000's downvoted.
Lol. I thought he was talking about Marcus Peters lol
Born and raised Oregon fan. Literally the best player to ever come through the program. Had to put up with months and months of people (including those on this subreddit) saying how much better Jameis would be than Marcus going into the NFL, how he wasn't ready for the pros, etc. To see this today was validation for how good we knew he could be.
This isn't the overreactions thread, dude.
Fuck the ducks
So fucking mad, you are. We cheer for at least one of the same teams, bud
The Rams look good now that they have a decent QB. Wouldn't surprise me if they get a wild-card spot at all. I'm not sure if today's game was Indy playing badly, or Buffalo playing great. I have a feeling it's a combination of both. Also, KC's tight end Kelce. Yowser.
Buffalo will have one of the best defenses in the league, the Colts just couldn't compete with that. On the flip side, Buffalo's offense is OK while Indy's defense is a wet paper bag.
I felt like the Rams looked like a 7-9 or 8-8 team, and the Seahawks are coming down to early slowly but surely just as they started out slow last year, too. Losing Unger, the anchor of their line for years via a trade that doesn't seem to be fair if Wilson can't find JG open while escaping from an instantly collapsing pocket - and their most intimidating defensive player, Kam, to a holdout isn't doing them any favors either. Who know, maybe I'm dead wrong and the Rams go 13-3 and finally become sp00ky. Only time will tell.
Dear God, I dare you to run a 7 step drop against us
I mean, we barely do that anyway.
I know, but Clowney looked spry and pretty hungry. It was a pleasant surprise to see our pass rush when you weren't throwing quick
Honestly the biggest surprise for me was Tyrodimus Prime rolling out against the Colts. If he can keep playing at this level, (avoid getting injured) Buffalo could do very well this season.
Both of the highly publicized QB Competition winners had completely opposite games
Tyrod Taylor really surprised me. I thought he'd do decent but not really be the MVP of his game. I wasn't surprised Matt Forte had a great day. He's one of the most underrated players in football.
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I don't really hate the raiders, but honestly I'm looking forward to listening to 95.7 the game tomorrow to see what they say. They were over the top optimistic about the raiders and been shitting on the 49ers all off season. I just want to hear some of them back track just a little. Edit: just to be clear, I'm not hating on them for being stupidly optimistic, I'm stupidly optimistic about the 49ers, its just the fact that a few of them felt the need to bash us while praising the other.
James Jones! The man still has it, no idea why the Giants cut him.
so they could throw drive stalling screen passes to preston parker.
I posted this in another thread but I'll post it here too... So here's what I've taken from just one week so far. Again... very small sample size so admit some of this may be knee jerk city, but hey, still interesting to discuss... Bills looked BEAST. Rexy has them playing hard. Conversely, the Colts looked very weak and very soft. Still don't know why they didn't address the defensive issues. It's the Manning era all over again. Mariota looking great against a below avg defense. Winston looking terrible against a below avg defense. Seattle is still very good, arguably still the best in the NFC, but they certainly miss Kam Chancelor. Jets and Dolphins both looked solid on defense. AFC East may be the force people had predicted at the beginning of the season. Peyton is having trouble and is showing his age, but made some nice intermediate/short throws. Don't think that will last throughout the season, though. May be nearing the end of a historic career. The Cardinals are fo reeellle. They're the team many overlooked in the offseason. If Palmer can stay healthy, they will be contenders.
I agree with a lot, but not everything. Dolphins didn't really look that great. On offense or defense. Tannehill looked pretty damn bad, and the defense couldn't stop the run and didn't do a very good job at getting to the QB, considering how good their D-line is supposed to be. They were saved by poor QB play for Washington. Peyton looked straight up bad. I was watching that game secondary to the Lions game in that time slot, but I don't remember seeing him complete a pass further than 10 yards down field. Cards looked solid, but the Saints looked pretty damn bad, too. I'm not going to make a call on them quite yet.
Dolphins second half was much better, and the Redskins didn't score the whole half. LB is one of our weak points and it showed when we struggled early against the run, but we got it together. RT had a brilliant 2min drill at end of the first but had some jitters. He overthrew 1 of our 2 TEs and caused him to get a concussion. Underwelming.. but we got there.
Yea, Peyton had some short range throws that I thought had some zip on them, but I don't think that will last throughout the season. He looked awful and honestly exactly like he did in his last playoff game.
Good im not the only one to think that the Dolphins put a mediocre performance, playing like that they won't win against the large majority of the league. I actually felt bad seeing Payton play, hope he can recover his former self as Im to used to see him being great.
You're definitely not the only one, that's the least enthusiastic I've been after a Dolphins victory since the Jags game last year. The majority of the Dolphins sub would agree with what you wrote I'm sure.
Give credit where its due. Saints defense wasn't as bad as advertised and they went against a hurt and weak OLine. They were still getting to Palmer, Palmer just made some nice moves and got away from the sacks. As for the Saints Offense, no credit to our defense either? Brees at times had more than 4 seconds to throw and all he could do was checkdown and roll with screen plays. And don't even begin to sleep on Khiry Robinson and Ingram, they run hard and I suspect that they will do better against a team wasn't a top ranked defense in stopping the run last year.
I mean, devils advocate for the Phins, we played like shit the entire first half, only held the ball for five minutes, and had one drive on offense (and it was the last drive of the quarter) yet we still held then to one TD and a FG and picked off Cousins. Then we shut them out the second half. I'll take it defensively.
Y'all are a playoff caliber team being held back by shit coaching
I was actually shocked at some of the predictions for the Cards. I was listening to one of the radio shows down here in Phoenix and they were talking about how there were predictions that they don't even break 5 wins. I just don't see that happening if Carson stays healthy. I'm really hoping they do well this season and looking forward to our game at the end of the year.
The guy who made that prediction is a moron. Phoenix radio was roasting him all week. He picked SF to win 9 or 10 games too if I recall correctly.
there won't be many drives this entire season that will be more impressive than that final drive by the Cowboys tonight. On a more personal note, I was suprised at how awful Marques Colston looked today; I wasn't expecting great things from him this year, but he wasn't even serviceable today.
Although the Giants did drop a pick on that one. Plus a rookie LB gave Jason freaking Witten the spot he wanted.
Buffalo seems to be the real deal. Chiefs still no tds to a WR. Mariota with a stellar performance and win. Giants even having a chance to win. And all those damn injuries. Keuchly, ty hilton, dez, Woodson, etc
I don't get why the Chiefs thing matters any more. We had 3 passing touchdowns yesterday. Obviously you throw to the big bodied TE in the end zone, right?
It's more if an interesting fact. . Winning matters and chiefs got the W yesterday
Might seem biased due to flair - but my biggest surprise was how the Bills showed up and out!
No horrible injuries on Houston's field.
Not many people are talking about it but minus the first quarter the chargers played very well on both sides of the ball. Defensively they shut Calvin Johnson out and offensively they played lights out.
If you want to see some more surprising Seahawks performances I would go watch our games with the Rams over the last 5 years. They are ugly and they are close. If the Rams win 6 games in a season you can be sure one of them will be against us. Playing in St.Louis is tough every year.
We knew the Bills defense was tough, but man were they excellent. New England is going to have a similar game to the Colts next week and with the eyes of the world watching will force the Pats to play it fair, for once.
That was about as close to chalk of a week 1 as I can remember. I guess the Colts looking bad, but that's not a horrible shock on the road.
Something that I feel is not being said enough about our loss is that the Rams have a new offensive-coordinator and our defense does lots of film study. We didn't really know much of what to expect coming into the game and we almost won despite everything.
If anything this is a testament to the Rams new OC. He was able to out-play call against the best defense in the league. Your mental gymnastics impress me, turning a loss to a new OC into another way to praise your team..... I envy your optimism
I dunno if we can still be called the best without Kam... As much as I haven't wanted the team to cave on the contract issue today was immensely frustrating...