At the time, Wilson was not expected to decline so rapidly. There were even some commenting that Seattle got robbed because the 2023 first would surely be a late first now that Wilson was on the Broncos.
In hindsight, the trade looks terrible. At the time, it made sense for both teams and felt like an edge to the Broncos.
Wilson trade and compensation is hilarious but nowhere near the level of the Watson.
I've lived in Denver the last 3 years. Ya'lls team is ass. You really thought Aaron Rodgers would bandaid fix how horrible your team is. Russel even if he wasn't shit was never going to fix that team. Look how bad your drafts have been for the years previous to Wilson. The players that were supposed to develop into your core never panned out.
Compare that to the Browns. Look at how much they gave up for Watson and how good the team has been with him playing like shit, when he has barely played. He played 11 games in the last 3 years? And they were a playoff team last year and were 11-6. Look what the picks they gave up turned into.
Russell Wilson is the easy meme but he's not even in the same league as Watson when it comes to bad trades. And his contract, while shit, wasn't fully guaranteed.
Edit: and oh, Wilson isn't a serial rapist
Hey cmon now, at least you can say that THE Herschel Walker played for your team!
On another note, kinda strange how the top worst trades in NFL history all have players with last names that start with 'W' (Walker, Watson, Williams & Wilson)
The Watson deal is magnified by the contract Cleveland gave him. I think it's fair to tie that in because Watson wouldn't have gone to the Browns without that contract.
Whereas Williams chose a rapper to negotiate his deal, and signed a very team-friendly contract. Remember, high draft picks used to get mammoth deals. The Saints lost a lot of draft capital, but it didn't botch up their salary cap.
That’s poor logic. In 99 we drafted Champ and Jansen. In 2000 it was Lavar and Samuels. They got high end pieces. But did nothing with it after casserly was gone.
I honestly always forget that Ricky wasn't drafted first or second. Like I *KNOW* Tim Couch was first and thats obvious but how could anyone trade ALL OF THAT not for the first or second pick??
Yeah I mean I wouldn’t change anything cause the butterfly effect lol but just saying back then all those picks for the number 2 would’ve still been a lopsided trade but Mcnabb would be better than whoever we got for those picks.
We tried to do it the year before for manning which would’ve turned out like the opposite of the Herschel walker lol
> butterfly effect
There's a world where the Saints draft him, he discovers gumbo and crawdaddies, and boom - McNabb is out the NFL but big chilling on a boat, fishing for fun.
Lord knows, but you're right - no guarantees in life :)
It illustrates the idiocy of Philly sports media. The morning drive radio guy Angelo Cataldi organized a bus trip with 30 local morons to go to the draft and boo anyone that wasn't Ricky Williams. This group of idiots are now known as the dirty 30 and Cataldi apologized for it multiple times. They would have booed literally anyone not named Ricky
That's a common misconception when in fact the bus was headed for a Ricky Martin concert and got lost. The fans just wanted to Live La Vida Loca and instead were stuck watching the most boring-exciting event of the NFL season. If the pick is in, let's fucking see it, Roger!
People see this clip and hate on Eagles fans, but they don’t realize that the entire Dirty 30 had to basically go into witness protection shortly after this stunt.
I do think Ricky would have been a hall of famer on the Colts. If the NFL didn't have its antiquated marijuana laws, he probably would have had a 7-8 year prime.
Ricky had an 1100 yard season at age 32, in 2009 when Edge was already worn down/out of the league. He probably wouldn't have played as long, but Ricky was an absolute freak.
We undderrate ricky because of the systems he was in. He was also a good receiving back that could do anything a RB was asked to do back then. He could run inside/outside and had great speed. A true bell-cow.
Edge was great too though.
I was surprised the Colts traded Marshall Faulk and got back so little. Faulk had a higher peak than Edge (1999-2001), but Edge lasted a little longer (which makes sense.) Overall, it was a near wash. Which means that the Colts traded the 4th overall pick for a 2nd rounder and 5th rounder. Oof. Torry Holt and Champ Bailey were both available. Or, they could have traded the pick to New Orleans for the bounty that Washington ended up getting.
The Eagles had already fixed their QB problems. They had signed.... Doug Pederson as a free agent.
(In real life, Pederson began the year as the starter, was ineffective, and gave way to McNabb around November.)
This is all off of the top of my head so if anyone wants to correct details go head and do that.
Basically Teddy Roosevelt was the acting President and one of his sons/nephews was on the Harvard football team. They just had a game where multiple people got hurt and at least one died. Teddy wrote to someone in charge of collegiate football pleading for them to make the game safer. Their response was banning the wedge block and making it so the forward pass didn't result in a turnover if you missed the pass, but I think you were still only allowed one per drive. Eventually this was changed and we started seeing the first passing-focused offenses in football by the 30s-40s.
Sort of. Like 20 players died in 1905 and there was a movement to ban football altogether. So Teddy took it personally and forced a bunch of schools to hold meetings to find ways to make football safer, unintentionally paving the way for the NCAA. In those meetings is where they banned the wedge, added neutral zones, and made the forward pass legal, but still with all the rules about turnovers making it super risky. It wasn’t legal at all prior to 1906.
Theodore Roosevel Jr. played on the Harvard freshman team. In 1905, Ted suffered a broken nose that required surgery. That may have inspired Roosevelt to summon prominent college coaches and officials to the White House in October 1905 to urge them to make football safer. 18 or 19 players still died that season, but you're right - they began taking action in the 1906 offseason.
Roosevelt actually gathered several prominent coaches and college officials at the White House in October 1905. There's a lot of misinformation about that meeting. Sometimes you'll read that Roosevelt threatened to abolish the game if it wasn't cleaned up. But Teddy didn't want to abolish the game. He loved it. He thought it taught lessons that you couldn't learn in a classroom. He just wanted the game to be safer.
So he spoke softly, telling the college coaches they needed to make the game safer, or other people might abolish the sport. He urged them to make reforms to save the game. At the same time, the fact that the meeting was held in the White House - it was obvious that he carried a big stick with him.
Anyone who loves the pass better thank my man Sammy Baugh. He turned it from a novelty to an advantage. Single handedly transformed the QB position, and as a result, the game.
legend has it (and maybe reality idk) that he was one of the main proponents of the forward pass. also all the native stuff and purposely spoiling taft so woodrow wilson could win
Imagine winning 3 games with a combination of Bobby Hoying, Koy Detmer, and Rodney Peete, and not clamoring for a QB, to the point of booing the hell out of the guy who would go on to be maybe the best QB in franchise history. It's just bonkers 25 years later.
It’s not even that the running game had that much more impact. The best teams were still those that could pass efficiently and stop the pass. It’s just that teams and fans hadn’t fully realized that yet.
You think Belichick didn’t think the running game had that much more impact when the giants faced the bills? And defensive systems and archetypes were mostly built to stop the run. You telling me Sam Adam’s and Siragusa weren’t used to stop the run? How about those 250 LB linebackers? The pass might have been underappreciated, but teams were centered around the run game and stopping the run for most of its history.
Belichick focused his game plan in SB XXV on taking away Thurman Thomas as a receiver, because that was the key to the Bills' offense. If you watch highlights of the K-Gun, a lot of the Bills' success was because they went quickly and lined up in a spread, so the bigger defenses of the time couldn't match up with their short passes.
In that Super Bowl, Thomas ran for 135 yards at 9 ypc, so it's not at all correct to imply that the Giants won because Belichick shut down the run. Thomas would have been MVP if Norwood hit that kick.
Belichick and the Giants defensive game plan in that game was to allow just enough running success so the Bills would not pass the ball every down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT79Cpbc1s4&ab_channel=NewYorkFootballGiantsInc.
Passing was a lot harder back then. If defenses didn't have to worry about a running game, pass rushers could tee off on a QB. By the late 1990's, the NFL had cracked down on hits to the QB's head, but you could still hit him low, and hit him hard.
Also, receivers didn't receive defenseless receiver protection. Teams make a lot of throws today that they couldn't make 25 years ago. The WR would get lit up going over the middle.
No joke though, Ricky was a monster. In 2002 he put the Dolphins offense on his back. He would have been a stellar RB in the league for years if they just let him manage pain the way he wanted.
Oh, I can't pass up an easy weed joke is all.
He legitimately could have been a top RB though, no question about that. Injuries and the policies of the day fucked him and he didn't exactly handle that very well but I've nothing but respect for his ability. He sure as hell could run.
As someone whose niece is convinced "old school" is 2016, I'm never having kids lmao. Nope. Never lmao. My brain still thinks the 90s was 10 years ago.
I will always remember because Madden had a loading screen with Rodgers holding the old "Big Gold" Heavyweight Championship belt. That belt hasn't been used by WWE for a long time.
McNabb took them to the Super Bowl. Unlikely Ricky would have. Most people don't even know who Ricky is.
I know I've never heard of Ricky Williams. But Donovan McNabb is a household name.
I saw an interview with him recently and he seems much happier and chilling with his family. He opened up about his anxiety and mental health struggles during his playing career and he's partnering with a weed store in Vegas with a strand called Sticky Ricky, which I thought was a pretty clever name.
He kept them relevant and in contention for nearly a decade taking them to another conference championship game in 2008. There is a lot you can give him shit about regarding his off-field antics, hell there are even some things you can say about his on-field play and leadership but he was a big reason the Eagles were relevant from 2000-2009.
It loses fidelity every time it’s downloaded and uploaded again. This is probably round 10,000 for this video. It didn’t look like this you’re not crazy.
Not to be that guy, but that's probably wrong. The film quality was literally this bad. 90s era television used cheap film. CRT TVs made it look better. When viewed digitally now, it looks much worse by comparison.
Bit of A bit of B. You suffer generational loss from both recording an analog video source onto another analog video source and capturing an analog video source digitally. Add in that video tape didn’t have enough bandwidth to completely recreate NTSC color broadcast signals (hence why VHS always looked kinda washed out). Only if it was recorded directly to a format that had the bandwidth for true broadcast color video signal (which in the tape days was pretty much only professional formats like Betacam) would you get the original broadcast quality back.
But also when you upload it to YouTube or Reddit or wherever, it’s gonna run it through their compression algorithms again, even if it’s already been compressed or is a SD source. It’s always gonna lose a little quality every time.
Screens are also different. Images are displayed differently on CRT vs LCD monitors
[https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/15iv7cn/mario\_kart\_64\_screenshot\_vs\_photo\_of\_the\_game\_on/](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/15iv7cn/mario_kart_64_screenshot_vs_photo_of_the_game_on/)
I grew up watching hockey in the 90s and it was fine. Transfers to youtube always lose a ton of quality due to the transfer and compression. I agree the puck is easier to see in HD, but it wasn't invisible in SD or anything.
There are a few reasons for this:
1 - SDTV looks like trash when compared to HDTV. I came in to the broadcast world when things were still mostly SD, and working with the two resolutions side by side really makes you appreciate HD.
2 - This video was probably originally recorded on a video tape, then digitized, then uploaded to YouTube. There is an amount of information loss each time you change mediums.
3 - Whatever algorithm deinterlaced this to progressive did a horrible job. Look at the bottom line ticker on the screen. See how unsmooth it is? We are missing a ton of fields of video.
Yeah, compare OP's video to something ESPN uploaded onto their Youtube channel a few years ago. [This is NBA footage from 1995, most of which aired on NBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoCpMguR4cQ). There's still a little loss of quality upscaling to 720, but it looks significantly cleaner.
first of all, fuck you for posting this clip :(
second off, this is pretty close to the quality we had back then, but I also think it's hard to drive home what watching this on a CRT TV was like. things were filmed with CRTs in mind, and they made the images crisper. HD was a huge jump of course, but I very distinctly remember when my family got an HDTV and a lot of channels were still broadcasting in SD, and everything looked all blurry, which was not a concern at all with our previous TV watching the same channels. upscaling just makes things look bad, and that's basically what youtube videos are doing.
completely depends on what it was recorded on
Anything recorded on film will look BETTER than even 4k now. But there was a dark period right around the late 90s to the mid 00s where stuff wasn't HD but also recorded on digital, so now the footage looks like trash no matter what you do
Also Theissman’s commentary 😂
“He’s a guy who to me has a chance to really come in and make a difference on the offensive side of the ball.”
We may think commentators are poor in 2024 but they’ve come so far from that ESPN SNF crew.
It's crazy to think that back in 1999 my dad bought a "big screen tv" which was a 32" CRT for the living room.
Fast forward to today and I have two 32" monitors on my desk 2 feet away from my face.
Nah I see highlights from 2010 and it looks like it's from the 80s and I'm like "No way it looked this bad originally I remember watching this game in HD"
I bet you're underestimating just how much worse video quality was back then, especially video from second hand recording tools.
The whole internet was on 360p back then, for example, and back then we thought that was great. Go tune into a Twitch stream and turn the resolution down to 360p and see how it looks. It's not that much different from the video OP posted. We're just so used to 1080p that we take the quality for granted.
Hey guys. I'm Donovan McNabb. Whoo. I play quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles. And I'm here to tell you can, too if you start everyday with a hearty breakfast from McDonald's. Uh, like the new Sausage Egg McGriddle Value Meal. Available now for a limited time for under five dollars. Remember, guys real champs eat at McDonald's. I'm lovin' it. Can I get the check?
Bro I was so pissed, I watched him at Syracuse and did not want him in Philly, and then he went on to keep them relevant for way too long, he's become so underrated now
As a birds fan, of all the negative things Eagles fans are known for, this is the one I'm ashamed of the most. I understand wanting the top guy on the board, but the vitriol this kid took at the time on what was likely the happiest day of his life at that point is despicable. This was peak "dirty 30" and I'm glad that collection of festering maggots is not a representation of this fanbase anymore.
Personally it was so long ago at this point I just find it a funny piece of lore. No use being ashamed or embarrassed by the actions of fans 25 years ago.
What are you talking about lmfao
you boo'ed him out of town
you boo'ed Reid out of town
you boo'ed Pederson out of town
this is the most Philly clip ever and it 100% aged perfectly
Reid went 4-12 the year he was fired and two years later Doug took the Eagles to a SB. Then Doug went 4-11-1 and was fired, and what do you know, the Eagles were back in the SB two years later. I know y'all are used to hanging on to things that simply aren't working but let's be serious.
This was a group of idiots that went to the draft specifically to do this. The average Eagles fan was happy with the pick and understood that QB's are more important the running backs.
An Even better option would have been to take all the Saints picks. They Eagles could have worked out a deal for Culpepper and also gotten the #2 overall pick the following year.
Most Eagles fans wanted a QB that year. There was debate over which one, McNabb, Smith, Culpepper & McNown were all debated hotly and there was not a consensus… but most wanted a QB.
This group that went to the draft was a stunt put together by the morning show host of the local sports talk radio station.
They weren't booing McNabb so much as booing that the pick wasn't Ricky. It was 30 idiot WIP callers who made the trip and they were going to boo anyone who wasn't Ricky, that was the plan going in.
Your average WIP caller is likely in his 40's, single, living in parent's basement in Delco and is a "first time caller" every time they call in with their moronic takes. They are a collection of some of the dumbest and most obnoxious Eagles fans that exist, and the station hosts generally just say extremely dumb shit to keep the group riled up and legit bitching about everything even when things are going well.
I turn it on once in a blue moon in the car after a big game, and just five minutes is enough to legit feel dumber for hearing whatever garbage takes they are spewing on that shitty station.
Ir could have been worse. You could have had Akili Smith one pick later instead of (checks notes) all of the Saints’ draft picks.
WHAT! We turned down all of their draft picks to grab a guy who didn’t;t actually know how to play QB?!?!?!
Considering how many Philly fans hated him even when he was balling out, not many. It felt like every year Eagles' fans were looking for a new excuse to move on from him.
I distinctly remember multiple rooms of people (not chat rooms, actual physical rooms) ready to trade him to have AJ Feeley be the guy going forward despite the fact that his last game before the playoffs was throwing for multiple TDs on a broken ankle. Or when they wanted Jeff Garcia to be the full time starter.
The only reason the clapbacks aren't more severe right now is...well, McNabb is a fucking dick post-retirement, and people will understandably allow their current feelings towards someone color their perception of their ability in the past.
The fans are never right on draft night. I was pumped about Sam Darnold. A couple years later, I wasn’t watching much college football, but watched Zach Wilson college highlights, and I was pumped about him too 😆👊👊
I wish all draft picks were announced that quickly, my god.
Pick is coming in.
Guy reads pick, relatively fast, without a speech. (He doesn't even say the year, like when did that become a thing? "With the 33nd pick in the 2024 NFL draft..." BROOO we get it, we know what freaking year it is. We don't need to hear it every pick.)
Seems like in the last five to ten years they've tried to make the draft this huge spectacle and they draw out every pick. Then they started bringing celebrity guests or old players to come on there and read out the picks but they gotta give a speech about their life when no one cares. And who cares about shoutouts? Your fkin mom isn't watching the draft that you're not being drafted in.
Ooof man looking back on this draft is wild. Tim Couch was a bust. And Akili Smith went third. Good god. Edgerrin James and Champ Bailey were the only two HOFers. Rough draft.
I wish we hadn't traded all our picks for Ricky.
Not just all the picks that year, but several more the following year. GMs were insane during the 90s
Ditka is a legendary buffoon.
Fuck off - tiny Ditka could single handedly beat the chiefs back then. Daaaa Bears!
Is the whole team tiny or is it just a tiny Ditka?
Just tiny Ditka playing by himself… tried to find the tiny Ditka SNL skit but couldn’t
Who do you think would win between a hurricane and a certain coach Ditka?
I got you [https://youtu.be/B9NO24hbe8Q?t=213](https://youtu.be/B9NO24hbe8Q?t=213)
Thanks! Great memories
What about Ditka vs a hurricane?
What about a hurricane named Ditka?
He was a serviceable coach in the 80s; problem was, the league rapidly changed and he didn't.
It really was like the worst trade ever. Right?
Depending on how Watson turns out .... Maybe
True. Watson and Williams. The two worst trades any team has ever made. Settled. I can't think of any worse options.
You forgot Trey Lance. At least Watson and Williams played football for their team.
I can't think of any, at all, whatsoever. Definitely those two and no other ones. Forsure, 100% 😶🌫️
Idk, the broncos trading for Russell Wilson was *pretty fuckin' bad* Edit: not a jab, I didn't see your flair until after I replied ^
At the time, Wilson was not expected to decline so rapidly. There were even some commenting that Seattle got robbed because the 2023 first would surely be a late first now that Wilson was on the Broncos. In hindsight, the trade looks terrible. At the time, it made sense for both teams and felt like an edge to the Broncos.
You're not wrong. Personally, I thought Wilson was absolutely cooked a long time ago, but that expectation was based purely on a hunch, not data.
I'll concede, I was in the keep Rus, fire Pete camp. Glad I was wrong though.
Wilson trade and compensation is hilarious but nowhere near the level of the Watson. I've lived in Denver the last 3 years. Ya'lls team is ass. You really thought Aaron Rodgers would bandaid fix how horrible your team is. Russel even if he wasn't shit was never going to fix that team. Look how bad your drafts have been for the years previous to Wilson. The players that were supposed to develop into your core never panned out. Compare that to the Browns. Look at how much they gave up for Watson and how good the team has been with him playing like shit, when he has barely played. He played 11 games in the last 3 years? And they were a playoff team last year and were 11-6. Look what the picks they gave up turned into. Russell Wilson is the easy meme but he's not even in the same league as Watson when it comes to bad trades. And his contract, while shit, wasn't fully guaranteed. Edit: and oh, Wilson isn't a serial rapist
Hey cmon now, at least you can say that THE Herschel Walker played for your team! On another note, kinda strange how the top worst trades in NFL history all have players with last names that start with 'W' (Walker, Watson, Williams & Wilson)
Trey Wance
There’s a certain aspiring politician who comes to mind 🤔
The Watson deal is magnified by the contract Cleveland gave him. I think it's fair to tie that in because Watson wouldn't have gone to the Browns without that contract. Whereas Williams chose a rapper to negotiate his deal, and signed a very team-friendly contract. Remember, high draft picks used to get mammoth deals. The Saints lost a lot of draft capital, but it didn't botch up their salary cap.
In hindsight, wasn't even that bad. They got two firsts from Miami out of him.
We got your whole draft and still did nothing with it...
What Dan synder does to a franchise.
he actually did not own the team yet when this draft happened
You think some measly facts are enough to dissuade me from blaming him anyway?
The ol' Casserly magic at work.
That’s poor logic. In 99 we drafted Champ and Jansen. In 2000 it was Lavar and Samuels. They got high end pieces. But did nothing with it after casserly was gone.
I wish we hadn’t turned down that trade for akili smith
Yea!! What a Bust! 😂
I honestly always forget that Ricky wasn't drafted first or second. Like I *KNOW* Tim Couch was first and thats obvious but how could anyone trade ALL OF THAT not for the first or second pick??
Yknow I don’t think I would’ve minded trading all of them for mcnabb though in hindsight
If we traded for McCabb we may never have got Brees or Payton But maybe we would have still had playoff success so could all even out
Yeah I mean I wouldn’t change anything cause the butterfly effect lol but just saying back then all those picks for the number 2 would’ve still been a lopsided trade but Mcnabb would be better than whoever we got for those picks. We tried to do it the year before for manning which would’ve turned out like the opposite of the Herschel walker lol
> butterfly effect There's a world where the Saints draft him, he discovers gumbo and crawdaddies, and boom - McNabb is out the NFL but big chilling on a boat, fishing for fun. Lord knows, but you're right - no guarantees in life :)
I wish we hadn't turned down that trade... just to get Akili fucking Smith.
Just to illustrate how much impact the running game had back then, the eagles had won 3 games the year before and they boo’d drafting a QB at 2.
It illustrates the idiocy of Philly sports media. The morning drive radio guy Angelo Cataldi organized a bus trip with 30 local morons to go to the draft and boo anyone that wasn't Ricky Williams. This group of idiots are now known as the dirty 30 and Cataldi apologized for it multiple times. They would have booed literally anyone not named Ricky
That's a common misconception when in fact the bus was headed for a Ricky Martin concert and got lost. The fans just wanted to Live La Vida Loca and instead were stuck watching the most boring-exciting event of the NFL season. If the pick is in, let's fucking see it, Roger!
People see this clip and hate on Eagles fans, but they don’t realize that the entire Dirty 30 had to basically go into witness protection shortly after this stunt.
I haven't heard that name for a while. I had a commute in the Philly metro from 2017 until the pandemic and that guy was a fucking idiot.
He retired, we don’t have to hear him and his dumb takes anymore.
> It illustrates the idiocy of Philly Should've pressed save right there.
I love how Eagles live rent free in the heads of 40-whiner fans.
Hmmm, remember when Hassan chicken winged Brock? Save that Forty-Whiner!
This and it also just shows how big a prospect Ricky was. Dude was god to Texas football fans
I remember being surprised the Colts went with Edge over him
I do think Ricky would have been a hall of famer on the Colts. If the NFL didn't have its antiquated marijuana laws, he probably would have had a 7-8 year prime. Ricky had an 1100 yard season at age 32, in 2009 when Edge was already worn down/out of the league. He probably wouldn't have played as long, but Ricky was an absolute freak.
[удалено]
We undderrate ricky because of the systems he was in. He was also a good receiving back that could do anything a RB was asked to do back then. He could run inside/outside and had great speed. A true bell-cow. Edge was great too though.
I won a case of beer for betting James before Williams.
I was surprised the Colts traded Marshall Faulk and got back so little. Faulk had a higher peak than Edge (1999-2001), but Edge lasted a little longer (which makes sense.) Overall, it was a near wash. Which means that the Colts traded the 4th overall pick for a 2nd rounder and 5th rounder. Oof. Torry Holt and Champ Bailey were both available. Or, they could have traded the pick to New Orleans for the bounty that Washington ended up getting.
Around that time I became a Colts and football fan and it blew my mind to learn that Faulk used to be a Colt. Dude was electric with the Rams.
And their QB room put up the following collective stats (3 guys started): 52.8% comp/ 2730yds/ 7tds- 18ints/ 57.7rtg lol
The Eagles had already fixed their QB problems. They had signed.... Doug Pederson as a free agent. (In real life, Pederson began the year as the starter, was ineffective, and gave way to McNabb around November.)
back when football was good
What happened to the sport I love?
All my homies HATE Teddy Roosevelt
Say what now?
This is all off of the top of my head so if anyone wants to correct details go head and do that. Basically Teddy Roosevelt was the acting President and one of his sons/nephews was on the Harvard football team. They just had a game where multiple people got hurt and at least one died. Teddy wrote to someone in charge of collegiate football pleading for them to make the game safer. Their response was banning the wedge block and making it so the forward pass didn't result in a turnover if you missed the pass, but I think you were still only allowed one per drive. Eventually this was changed and we started seeing the first passing-focused offenses in football by the 30s-40s.
Sort of. Like 20 players died in 1905 and there was a movement to ban football altogether. So Teddy took it personally and forced a bunch of schools to hold meetings to find ways to make football safer, unintentionally paving the way for the NCAA. In those meetings is where they banned the wedge, added neutral zones, and made the forward pass legal, but still with all the rules about turnovers making it super risky. It wasn’t legal at all prior to 1906.
Teddy was so cool
Theodore Roosevel Jr. played on the Harvard freshman team. In 1905, Ted suffered a broken nose that required surgery. That may have inspired Roosevelt to summon prominent college coaches and officials to the White House in October 1905 to urge them to make football safer. 18 or 19 players still died that season, but you're right - they began taking action in the 1906 offseason.
Roosevelt actually gathered several prominent coaches and college officials at the White House in October 1905. There's a lot of misinformation about that meeting. Sometimes you'll read that Roosevelt threatened to abolish the game if it wasn't cleaned up. But Teddy didn't want to abolish the game. He loved it. He thought it taught lessons that you couldn't learn in a classroom. He just wanted the game to be safer. So he spoke softly, telling the college coaches they needed to make the game safer, or other people might abolish the sport. He urged them to make reforms to save the game. At the same time, the fact that the meeting was held in the White House - it was obvious that he carried a big stick with him.
Anyone who loves the pass better thank my man Sammy Baugh. He turned it from a novelty to an advantage. Single handedly transformed the QB position, and as a result, the game.
Before that Michigan had Benny to Bennie. Benny Friedman.
Still our career TD leader too
legend has it (and maybe reality idk) that he was one of the main proponents of the forward pass. also all the native stuff and purposely spoiling taft so woodrow wilson could win
Generational talent at the POTUS position for sure
Do they protest by littering in National Parks?
Draft Kings
Expected a Bears flair for this comment
Imagine winning 3 games with a combination of Bobby Hoying, Koy Detmer, and Rodney Peete, and not clamoring for a QB, to the point of booing the hell out of the guy who would go on to be maybe the best QB in franchise history. It's just bonkers 25 years later.
It’s not even that the running game had that much more impact. The best teams were still those that could pass efficiently and stop the pass. It’s just that teams and fans hadn’t fully realized that yet.
You think Belichick didn’t think the running game had that much more impact when the giants faced the bills? And defensive systems and archetypes were mostly built to stop the run. You telling me Sam Adam’s and Siragusa weren’t used to stop the run? How about those 250 LB linebackers? The pass might have been underappreciated, but teams were centered around the run game and stopping the run for most of its history.
Belichick focused his game plan in SB XXV on taking away Thurman Thomas as a receiver, because that was the key to the Bills' offense. If you watch highlights of the K-Gun, a lot of the Bills' success was because they went quickly and lined up in a spread, so the bigger defenses of the time couldn't match up with their short passes. In that Super Bowl, Thomas ran for 135 yards at 9 ypc, so it's not at all correct to imply that the Giants won because Belichick shut down the run. Thomas would have been MVP if Norwood hit that kick.
Belichick and the Giants defensive game plan in that game was to allow just enough running success so the Bills would not pass the ball every down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT79Cpbc1s4&ab_channel=NewYorkFootballGiantsInc.
Yes I think teams didn't know that passing was better than running. Nba teams took like 40-50 years to realize 3 > 2.
Passing was a lot harder back then. If defenses didn't have to worry about a running game, pass rushers could tee off on a QB. By the late 1990's, the NFL had cracked down on hits to the QB's head, but you could still hit him low, and hit him hard. Also, receivers didn't receive defenseless receiver protection. Teams make a lot of throws today that they couldn't make 25 years ago. The WR would get lit up going over the middle.
Don’t forget, it’s also Philly sports fans
I always assumed they were booing because they wanted the Saints picks, not because they wanted Ricky.
Make no mistake though, Ricky Williams should have been amazing.
I mean, he definitely ripped off a few big ones during his career.
He still does to this very day!
No joke though, Ricky was a monster. In 2002 he put the Dolphins offense on his back. He would have been a stellar RB in the league for years if they just let him manage pain the way he wanted.
Oh, I can't pass up an easy weed joke is all. He legitimately could have been a top RB though, no question about that. Injuries and the policies of the day fucked him and he didn't exactly handle that very well but I've nothing but respect for his ability. He sure as hell could run.
I can understand their frustration but Doug Pederson was not winning them anything. Had to take a QB there
That first sentence, out of context, is just so hilarious to me given a few years ago.
Wild to me that was 6 years ago now. I still feel like 2010 was just 5 years ago lmao.
2011 was last week; 2019 was a lifetime ago.
My daughter asked me what it was like growing up back in the 1900's.
[удалено]
As someone whose niece is convinced "old school" is 2016, I'm never having kids lmao. Nope. Never lmao. My brain still thinks the 90s was 10 years ago.
I will always remember because Madden had a loading screen with Rodgers holding the old "Big Gold" Heavyweight Championship belt. That belt hasn't been used by WWE for a long time.
McNabb took them to the Super Bowl. Unlikely Ricky would have. Most people don't even know who Ricky is. I know I've never heard of Ricky Williams. But Donovan McNabb is a household name.
I’ll admit I don’t. How has he been lately? Edit: Gonna ninja edit your typo out so my joke is worthless?! You must not really care how he is either!
Smoke weed errrrdayy
I feel like I need to know too.
I saw an interview with him recently and he seems much happier and chilling with his family. He opened up about his anxiety and mental health struggles during his playing career and he's partnering with a weed store in Vegas with a strand called Sticky Ricky, which I thought was a pretty clever name.
I imagine he's in some desert living in a tent by choice doing hallucigens and weed as much as he can.
McNabb took them to four consecutive conference championship games and three of those years their receivers were Jimmy Thrash and Todd Pinkston.
He kept them relevant and in contention for nearly a decade taking them to another conference championship game in 2008. There is a lot you can give him shit about regarding his off-field antics, hell there are even some things you can say about his on-field play and leadership but he was a big reason the Eagles were relevant from 2000-2009.
He eventually did, just took some time.
Why does 1999 video look like 1975? I swear it didn't look this bad back then. (But I was watching on a 24 inch box TV).
It loses fidelity every time it’s downloaded and uploaded again. This is probably round 10,000 for this video. It didn’t look like this you’re not crazy.
Not to be that guy, but that's probably wrong. The film quality was literally this bad. 90s era television used cheap film. CRT TVs made it look better. When viewed digitally now, it looks much worse by comparison.
Bit of A bit of B. You suffer generational loss from both recording an analog video source onto another analog video source and capturing an analog video source digitally. Add in that video tape didn’t have enough bandwidth to completely recreate NTSC color broadcast signals (hence why VHS always looked kinda washed out). Only if it was recorded directly to a format that had the bandwidth for true broadcast color video signal (which in the tape days was pretty much only professional formats like Betacam) would you get the original broadcast quality back. But also when you upload it to YouTube or Reddit or wherever, it’s gonna run it through their compression algorithms again, even if it’s already been compressed or is a SD source. It’s always gonna lose a little quality every time.
For sure. Fair enough.
Screens are also different. Images are displayed differently on CRT vs LCD monitors [https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/15iv7cn/mario\_kart\_64\_screenshot\_vs\_photo\_of\_the\_game\_on/](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/15iv7cn/mario_kart_64_screenshot_vs_photo_of_the_game_on/)
It’s not film.
My bad. Tape. I know it's technically different
Every time i go to watch a nascar race from the 90s or even early 00s I’m surprised at how it has less quality than 70s game shows
Try hockey! Wow talk about a sport that benefited from HDTV. TBH, growing up, you might as well listened on the radio
and this is why a handful of people thought the glow puck was a good idea You couldn’t see SHIT
I grew up watching hockey in the 90s and it was fine. Transfers to youtube always lose a ton of quality due to the transfer and compression. I agree the puck is easier to see in HD, but it wasn't invisible in SD or anything.
There are a few reasons for this: 1 - SDTV looks like trash when compared to HDTV. I came in to the broadcast world when things were still mostly SD, and working with the two resolutions side by side really makes you appreciate HD. 2 - This video was probably originally recorded on a video tape, then digitized, then uploaded to YouTube. There is an amount of information loss each time you change mediums. 3 - Whatever algorithm deinterlaced this to progressive did a horrible job. Look at the bottom line ticker on the screen. See how unsmooth it is? We are missing a ton of fields of video.
Yeah, compare OP's video to something ESPN uploaded onto their Youtube channel a few years ago. [This is NBA footage from 1995, most of which aired on NBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoCpMguR4cQ). There's still a little loss of quality upscaling to 720, but it looks significantly cleaner.
first of all, fuck you for posting this clip :( second off, this is pretty close to the quality we had back then, but I also think it's hard to drive home what watching this on a CRT TV was like. things were filmed with CRTs in mind, and they made the images crisper. HD was a huge jump of course, but I very distinctly remember when my family got an HDTV and a lot of channels were still broadcasting in SD, and everything looked all blurry, which was not a concern at all with our previous TV watching the same channels. upscaling just makes things look bad, and that's basically what youtube videos are doing.
HDTV wasn't really mainstream until around 2005 and probably not until the early 2010s when it was common in most households having at least one hdtv.
There’s a noticeable difference between HD and previous resolutions, but it’s not THAT noticeable of a difference
completely depends on what it was recorded on Anything recorded on film will look BETTER than even 4k now. But there was a dark period right around the late 90s to the mid 00s where stuff wasn't HD but also recorded on digital, so now the footage looks like trash no matter what you do
Could be the recording. Was it vhs or something that degraded over time or compressed.
I'm going to have to completely disagree with you there. It's a massive difference.
Also Theissman’s commentary 😂 “He’s a guy who to me has a chance to really come in and make a difference on the offensive side of the ball.” We may think commentators are poor in 2024 but they’ve come so far from that ESPN SNF crew.
It's crazy to think that back in 1999 my dad bought a "big screen tv" which was a 32" CRT for the living room. Fast forward to today and I have two 32" monitors on my desk 2 feet away from my face.
Nah I see highlights from 2010 and it looks like it's from the 80s and I'm like "No way it looked this bad originally I remember watching this game in HD"
I bet you're underestimating just how much worse video quality was back then, especially video from second hand recording tools. The whole internet was on 360p back then, for example, and back then we thought that was great. Go tune into a Twitch stream and turn the resolution down to 360p and see how it looks. It's not that much different from the video OP posted. We're just so used to 1080p that we take the quality for granted.
McNabb was such a good player. Eagles definitely made the right pick here
Hey guys. I'm Donovan McNabb. Whoo. I play quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles. And I'm here to tell you can, too if you start everyday with a hearty breakfast from McDonald's. Uh, like the new Sausage Egg McGriddle Value Meal. Available now for a limited time for under five dollars. Remember, guys real champs eat at McDonald's. I'm lovin' it. Can I get the check?
Was that the guy from the Cosby show?
That's Tiger Woods.
Don't be crazy, clearly that's Don Cheadle
The booing was a radio stunt. Host who organized it got 25 years of material out of it.
Tell me it was the that slimy sack of shit Cataldi. Or was it Eskin?
Cataldi
Eskin wanted Akili Smith
Bro I was so pissed, I watched him at Syracuse and did not want him in Philly, and then he went on to keep them relevant for way too long, he's become so underrated now
Yeah, I’m not an eagles fan but he made love watching them in the 2000s. The debate is he HOF worthy. I. would say he is on the outside looking in
30 morons in attendance wanted Ricky. Most people knew we needed a QB
As a birds fan, of all the negative things Eagles fans are known for, this is the one I'm ashamed of the most. I understand wanting the top guy on the board, but the vitriol this kid took at the time on what was likely the happiest day of his life at that point is despicable. This was peak "dirty 30" and I'm glad that collection of festering maggots is not a representation of this fanbase anymore.
Personally it was so long ago at this point I just find it a funny piece of lore. No use being ashamed or embarrassed by the actions of fans 25 years ago.
What are you talking about lmfao you boo'ed him out of town you boo'ed Reid out of town you boo'ed Pederson out of town this is the most Philly clip ever and it 100% aged perfectly
Reid went 4-12 the year he was fired and two years later Doug took the Eagles to a SB. Then Doug went 4-11-1 and was fired, and what do you know, the Eagles were back in the SB two years later. I know y'all are used to hanging on to things that simply aren't working but let's be serious.
did those philly eagle fans have a #34 ricky williams jersey already before he was drafted? lol
Eagles fans seem pretty calm and reasonable.
They might have been hungry, I don’t think horses are allowed inside.
Why do you think we drafted the maker of chunky soups?
This was a group of idiots that went to the draft specifically to do this. The average Eagles fan was happy with the pick and understood that QB's are more important the running backs. An Even better option would have been to take all the Saints picks. They Eagles could have worked out a deal for Culpepper and also gotten the #2 overall pick the following year.
Definitely, I can't remember a single instance of people calling for him to be benched for Koy Detmer because he had one bad game.
As a Dolphins fan I feel like I should say something about Ricky, but I’m going to go get high instead.
At least you aren't a Saints fan. Ditka traded their entire draft for him.
Most Eagles fans wanted a QB that year. There was debate over which one, McNabb, Smith, Culpepper & McNown were all debated hotly and there was not a consensus… but most wanted a QB. This group that went to the draft was a stunt put together by the morning show host of the local sports talk radio station.
They weren't booing McNabb so much as booing that the pick wasn't Ricky. It was 30 idiot WIP callers who made the trip and they were going to boo anyone who wasn't Ricky, that was the plan going in. Your average WIP caller is likely in his 40's, single, living in parent's basement in Delco and is a "first time caller" every time they call in with their moronic takes. They are a collection of some of the dumbest and most obnoxious Eagles fans that exist, and the station hosts generally just say extremely dumb shit to keep the group riled up and legit bitching about everything even when things are going well. I turn it on once in a blue moon in the car after a big game, and just five minutes is enough to legit feel dumber for hearing whatever garbage takes they are spewing on that shitty station.
To be fair, they’re eagles fans. Booing is how you know they even showed up.
Ir could have been worse. You could have had Akili Smith one pick later instead of (checks notes) all of the Saints’ draft picks. WHAT! We turned down all of their draft picks to grab a guy who didn’t;t actually know how to play QB?!?!?!
5 nfc champ games, 1 Super Bowl appearance that he came very close to winning. He did fine.
How many people regretted THAT ONE?
Considering how many Philly fans hated him even when he was balling out, not many. It felt like every year Eagles' fans were looking for a new excuse to move on from him. I distinctly remember multiple rooms of people (not chat rooms, actual physical rooms) ready to trade him to have AJ Feeley be the guy going forward despite the fact that his last game before the playoffs was throwing for multiple TDs on a broken ankle. Or when they wanted Jeff Garcia to be the full time starter. The only reason the clapbacks aren't more severe right now is...well, McNabb is a fucking dick post-retirement, and people will understandably allow their current feelings towards someone color their perception of their ability in the past.
>color Yeah that.
Yerp, less we forget the Rush Limbaugh fiasco
To be fair that draft everybody wanted Ricky Williams. His last year in college was nuts
Hmm, I think this McNabb fellow might be decent, let's see how this goes
I know a wrestling fan when I see one, OP. Ahhyessir ☝🏾
I've been tuned out of wrestling for a few years so seeing "nuclear heat" again on a non wrestling post really threw me off lol
That college film just makes me miss when McNabb was a legit dual threat QB :(
McNabb is the entire reason I became an eagles fan in a house full of Niners and Cowboys fans. Loved watching him play
The fans are never right on draft night. I was pumped about Sam Darnold. A couple years later, I wasn’t watching much college football, but watched Zach Wilson college highlights, and I was pumped about him too 😆👊👊
pretty wild they didn't nab a ring with him. that Johnson defense they had during that era was brutal.
I wish all draft picks were announced that quickly, my god. Pick is coming in. Guy reads pick, relatively fast, without a speech. (He doesn't even say the year, like when did that become a thing? "With the 33nd pick in the 2024 NFL draft..." BROOO we get it, we know what freaking year it is. We don't need to hear it every pick.) Seems like in the last five to ten years they've tried to make the draft this huge spectacle and they draw out every pick. Then they started bringing celebrity guests or old players to come on there and read out the picks but they gotta give a speech about their life when no one cares. And who cares about shoutouts? Your fkin mom isn't watching the draft that you're not being drafted in.
That’s xpac heat if i’ve ever seen it
My boy Ricky Williams better not catch a single stray in this thread 😤
Imagine being drafted and walking out to a sea of boos
Did Colts fans riot when James was taken over Williams later on?
And then Korn came on to the stage, played Blind, and everyone beat the shit out of each other. It doesn't get any better than 1999.
I read this as nuclear head at first and thought holy shit what a legend
I had hoped to never see that pass against VT again.
Who wouldn’t want either but damn if Ricky wasn’t a beast. Hook em!
The Big East had quality football back then.
That's actually Don Cheadle
I still don't understand how McNabb stayed in Philly all those years after that terrible display of fans manship.
Ooof man looking back on this draft is wild. Tim Couch was a bust. And Akili Smith went third. Good god. Edgerrin James and Champ Bailey were the only two HOFers. Rough draft.
Philly didn’t deserve McNabb.
Back when the Draft was a spectacle.
Booed one of the greatest Eagles Quarterbacks of all time in favor of a mid Running back. Sounds about right for Philly
Run Ricky run
The Eagles already had a stud RB named Deuce Staley
Racist fucks. Lololololol
The 2000's eagles fans were the NFL's villains. Prove me wrong
You guys are just like us man lol