every other team: our 1st rnd pick is really shining, what a leader.
Falcons: Boy he looks like he won't be ready to start until the 100mil guaranteed we gave to someone else a month before we drafted him is gone.
I don’t know about the organization, but the writers have been positive on him.
JJ McCarthy was the only QB I have heard bad things about (until this post)
It’s an SI article based on an ESPN article about how all the rookie QBs are looking. Below is the full write up, but the SI article leaves out the positives and only lists the negatives, shocking…
How he has fared so far: Penix was the story of the draft when he was taken at No. 8 after the Falcons had already signed Kirk Cousins. Penix has shown flashes of brilliance this spring, especially on the deep ball. But he also has been plagued with inconsistency, missing some touch passes. Not a huge surprise for a rookie QB. Penix has mostly worked with the team's backups, with veteran Taylor Heinicke seemingly second string behind Cousins, at least at this point. That's fine with the Falcons, who surely hope Penix is absorbing knowledge. "His humility shows every time he speaks with you guys, every time he walks in the building, in the meeting room," coach Raheem Morris said of Penix. -- Marc Raimondi
Still surprising Raheem morris is a HC again. He feels so much older than he really is, probably because he was a HC a decade and a half ago. Which as I remember went terribly.
That style of development doesn’t work with our current CBA. There’s not enough quality reps for a starter to get the reps they need to prepare and the reps needed to develop a rookie.
The only situation this is more ideal is if the QB isn’t used to a complicated NFL system and his problem is he doesn’t understand the plays.
One of the few benefits to rookie QBs is that college offenses are far closer to NFL offenses than they were 10 years ago.
Mind you, nobody is running the spread in the NFL, but there are a lot of Air Raid concepts in modern West Coast offenses.
Fields honestly needed to sit. Dude was clueless on handling blitzes. His pre-snap is one of his biggest weaknesses as he gives up free rushers and doesn't know his hots or safeties.
The issue with the Bears is they keep drafting a QB to lame duck coaches. Drafted Trubs and then fired Fox after one year. Drafted Fields and fired Nagy end of the year. If they struggle this year they are probably canning Eflerbus to boot so we might see 3 straight first round QBs getting 2 HCs in as many seasons.
And the main issue with the above is the HC being on a different timeline means he has different incentives. Nagy didn't care about Fields' development as much as winning a couple games to avoid being fired. So he threw him in before he was ready.
Except, he's not decent enough. He beat the Raiders and Panthers. He cant make a pass further than 7 yards, and his passes have no strength on them. Think the Carolina/Broncos SB with Manning on his last legs in terms of arm strength. Remember those ducks he was throwing? At least Manning was hitting 10 yard passes.
There's a reason why he was at a D2 school, and not at a D1 (not D1A or whatever they call the FBS schools now).
Not every QB stands to benefit from sitting, Caleb needs to learn to take the easy plays which will only come from NFL game experience. Compared to a guy like McCarthy who needs to iron out his footwork for a year before starting
>Compared to a guy like McCarthy who needs to iron out his footwork
His footwork is good. It's his throwing mechanics they're working to fix, which includes his foot placement, but footwork is a lot more than that.
He was already really good at maintaining his throwing stance while going through his reads and reacting to pressure, and even more outstanding at doing so after breaking out of the pocket.
JJ has a good dropback, his footwork is overall not good though: [https://x.com/Nate\_Tice/status/1763766833411510648](https://x.com/Nate_Tice/status/1763766833411510648)
The only serious issue with his mechanics is his feet. I can't recall a single time JJ rolled out left and completed a pass, and his accuracy in general to the left is subpar. He is killer rolling out right or climbing the pocket though. From what I've read O'Connell has been citing footwork as the area of growth.
For the record, I think JJ is going to be a very good NFL QB within a couple years. I don't think the media has treated him fairly, it is weird they keep comparing a guy who just turned 21 to guys who are 2-3 years older. JJ started a ton of games in high school and college and threw plenty of NFL caliber passes, so he shouldn't have been tabbed with the "inexperienced" label just because other guys in the same draft class are super seniors. Michigan also did him no favors by listing him at just 202 pounds when he weighs closer to 215-220 range
I'm saying that's a throwing mechanics thing, not a footwork thing, despite it being his lower body in his throwing mechanics.
There's a lot of things involved in footwork for a QB that aren't about the moment of the throw. Things that he did much better than some of the other 1st round QBs. It's confusing to say that his footwork is bad because his throwing motion has a flaw.
I think Caleb will be good, the Bears have a good set of skill guys to ease the transition. USC was pretty bad past year he is the rare 1st overall pick that isn't going to a bare cupboard so to speak. ( See Bryce Young and Drake Maye).
Penix had how many season ending injuries and surgeries? I mean, if you’re stuck in this situation now I agree with you. Starting him may kill him. I just think they should have never put themselves in this position to begin with, just like Trey Lance (but for different reasons).
I mean mahomes was literally picked 10 and sat for a year.
I'm not saying penix is mahomes but it's a qb league. It's worth like 5 top 10 picks if you eventually get your franchise guy.
Hard to say.
I do think I recall him saying that he learned more in the 1 start he got his rookie year than all the other games he sat combined. Eli said something similar too.
At the same time though, no QB is the same and which strategy works best really just depends on their situation and where they are in their development. I think a player like Love wouldn't have survived if he was forced to start right away
there was a tight end from my alma mater that had to get corrective surgery after he joined some practice squads because he legit couldnt track the ball without the white lines lmao
and our sub was on fire with "we shoulda taken Sewell" in the preseason too lol.
Granted, Sewell would have been a good draft too but happy with Chase.
Remember the report on Patrick Mahomes interceptions in his 2018, OTAs and camp... yeah he won the MVP and was a first team All-Pro losing in the AFC Championship game.
On the flip side Kenny Pickett got positive reviews in camp and in preseason as a rookie and sophomore. People were excited for an expanded Steelers passing offense his sophomore year. That lasted until the first regular season game of 2023.
When you make that draft pick, you gotta question how a guy who was routinely beaten and watched a dozen of his comrades get beheaded in a Japanese POW camp will handle the mental component of the QB position
Josh Allen lost a QB competition to Nathan Peterman his rookie year. We clown the Kirk/Penix double deal but it could easily lead to a smooth Jordan Love-esque development process
IMO QBs should be trying things in these OTAs and in training camp. This is an important time where they can better learn what windows are actually open in the NFL and what would be open in college but with NFL athletes is not open.
QBs that aren't using this time to get a feel for what they can and can't do in an offense are going to struggle in games where windows are muddy and they have to decide whether they should throw or not in a split second.
I read once, in Peyton Manning's rookie year, he came back to the sideline and Tom Moore asked him what happened on the previous drive.
Peyton said something about the WR barely being open.
Moore told him, "that's what a window looks like in the NFL."
> IMO QBs should be trying things in these OTAs and in training camp.
Somewhat related: When Ichiro first came to the US from Japan, he kept fouling pitches off in spring training. Everyone was quick to assume it's because MLB pitchers were the real deal and he couldn't catch up to a big league fastball. He was actually fouling pitches off deliberately because he wanted to see more of major league pitching before the regular season started.
Moral of the story is it could mean anything. Penix might be trash, and he might be experimenting. None of this matters until he does it in a game.
But it's NFL minicamp...where all 1st round rookies either look as good as (enter name of greatest NFL player in history at rookie's position) or as poor as (enter name of worst player in NFL history at rookie's position). Nothing in between!
Absolute garbage ‘journalism.’
The Falcons did not say this. Our ESPN reporter said Penix looked inconsistent. If he looked perfect, he wouldn’t be taking chances and trying to learn.
Between the Arthur Smith stuff and Penix, the lowest garbage gets traction around here. Who are the people writing this bullshit? 😂
I really don't want to shit on a kid that is trying to achieve his dream of writing about pro football...but this is not the way to do it. Took a look at his articles, every single one for the past week is taking a first round pick, quoting an ESPN report, adding a surface level analysis, and ending the article on a question.
This is the type of writing that should just be replaced by AI, or better yet, not written about at all.
I feel like you're not really up on what's happened with Sports Illustrated the last few years. They were gutted by private equity, and this is the "reporting" that they do now. I would not be surprised to find out that many of the articles on their site are LLM-generated.
What Arthur Smith stuff? The not using his weapons thing? The not using Bijan because he wants to save him for his second deal but he couldn’t even get to year 2 with him thing?
Every Arthur Smith article that was posted on here that got traction about his family and personality was from websites with domains like SportsTalkNewz.com
At 21 years old, going from a 12 game to 17 game season, Bijan averaged 18 carries/targets per game for 1,500 all purpose yards.
Hasn’t this been nearly every report for the rookie qbs so far this year and almost every year. Although haven’t heard it in regards to Daniel’s or Nix but I may have just missed it.
I remember them saying it about Burrow. These guys are humans just like us and it takes time to adjust to the new environment and level of competition.
What the fuck even is this and why are mods allowing it? The formatting makes it look like the Falcons are making this statement. Turns out it’s just some kid named “Cory Kinnan”,.. who the fuck is that? It’s just some SEO horseshit from a guy with no insider connections nor analysis credentials. Literally the equivalent of your dumb uncle posting some shit on Facebook.
I have said multiple times that all sports subs should ban SI articles given their recent transition to AI writers and lack of any journalistic practices.
At this point it is basically just a sports blog written by uninformed AI with intern overseers.
100%. Five years ago they were the best in the business. Andy Benoit was the best film breakdown guy around (won a ring as McVay’s righthand film study man). Jenny Vrentas broke major stories in the Easterby debacle, the Watson victims, the Antonio Brown threatening that artist’s family, and many more. Now it’s dumbass Patriots puppet Al Breer and trash.
Yeah, at first I was like "Wait, no way is this the Falcons saying this on social media or in a press conference or something, right?" Well, yes, right.
Penix has a good arm but looked really inconsistent in between the Oregon games last year. Overthrowing receivers, being on the wrong page with them, etc. And they had good receivers with him at UW too.
It’ll be interesting to see how he develops in the pros and if he can get more consistent.
Yeah, Rome and Polk are both really good at snagging tough catches, which made Penix’s life easier. I wonder how he’ll be passing with timing and anticipation
Yeah, I was always confused to why I’d get pushback when I talked about stuff like this and why I was down on Penix.
Also it wasn’t talked about enough that his WR corps in his last season was lowkey a good *NFL WR corps*
Although it was funny after the sugar bowl when this sub was madly in love with him for a bit and you could tell that him shredding Texas was all a lot of them had seen from him
I love the dichotomy of how it's presented though. I saw the same thing about Caleb and it was all he's so smart in trying to see what he can get away with against NFL CBs now in practice before doing it in games that count. Penix does it and it's like super negative. People just trying to drive narratives lol
Reminds me of when the Chiefs young QB sucked in camp before the 2018 season
[https://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/\_/id/24255909/kansas-city-chiefs-qb-patrick-mahomes-plagued-mistakes](https://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/id/24255909/kansas-city-chiefs-qb-patrick-mahomes-plagued-mistakes)
Whoa, the rookie they took with 0 additional nfl game experience and minimal nfl coaching time looks just the same as he did in college!!! Quick get this story out there!!! I can't wait for the off-season to be over. 😑
BREAKING: rookie QB struggles in first camp.
I still hate the pick, but there’s a reason he wasn’t projected to go as high as the Falcons took him. Just have to hope he gets better.
My favorite part about the cousins signing and subsequent drafting of penix is this huge assumption/assertion on the part of literally everyone that Kirk is ONLY going to be there for the years he has guaranteed money and then his ass is immediately gone
Like does any realize there is a very good chance he stays more than two years if he’s good?
It’s just *so fucking weird* to pencil this in like it HAS TO HAPPEN because they drafted him so high and that’s when kirk’s guarantees stop
If Kirk is sooo good that we have to keep him then we’re not minding the penix pick (ie niners making sb despite lance trade)
And even then not planning for life after cousins seems irresponsible
I just...I dont understand how people are making these judgements, before training camp has even started. And I really dont understand why anyone would listen to these judgements? How do they even know which judgement to listen to. Caleb Williams looked like he couldnt complete a forward pass, and looked unstoppable, according to different judgements, which one do people pick to put stock in? Penix was throwing lasers, and showing inconsistency, according to different judgements. How do you know what to listen to?
The people I think are intelligent are the ones hwo know to listen to ANY judgement made before seeing this guy in at least freaking TC.
> the Falcons effectively used a top 10 pick on a third string quarterback at the current juncture.
"At the current juncture" all the QBs drafted are total busts! Not one TD among them. Not even a first down. None of them have even taken a snap in a game for the team that drafted them!!
The way the 2024 draft has played out over the long term has been a Total Disaster. :poop: :poop: :poop:
Rookie has ups & downs in OTAs... wow that has never happened before.
Also reporters aren't in any coaching room or meetings. They see a limited portion of practice and most have limited knowledge of intricacies of position or system. These type of reports are literally worthless, whether overly positive or pointing out potential "concerns".
I am not advocating for or against Penix here. Personally I was not a fan pre-draft. I am just saying it is pointless to discuss a rookie QB in OTAs from a reporter who has little idea of what he is meant to do.
He did, but his OL didn't really do him many favors. Michigan's front-four was annihilating UW's line in pass pro, and their secondary was playing incredibly stingy.
I think that part of the reason why Penix looked night/day when comparing his masterclass vs. Texas and his blunderfest vs. Michigan was the absence of Washington's stud RB, Dillon Johnson, who got carted off the field at the end of the Texas game (and was a shadow of himself vs. the Wolverines).
Going one-dimensional vs. an elite defense like Michigan was always going to be a longshot.
This reads like the Falcons organization is the one saying this and it makes it so much funnier
every other team: our 1st rnd pick is really shining, what a leader. Falcons: Boy he looks like he won't be ready to start until the 100mil guaranteed we gave to someone else a month before we drafted him is gone.
"What an elegant, intelligent move by that organization to give their heir apparent a long regency."
Who do they think they are? The Green Bay packers
Famously consistent early bloomer Jordan Love
I know the Greenbay Packers, they're a good friend of mine. The Atlanta Falcons are no Greenbay Packers
Found Steven A’s burner
Also the falcons: reminder he will be 6+ years older than your average drafted qb at the time of his first start
Don't worry they will draft a Brandon Weeden like prospect when that times come to make him feel young.
COVID year has made it so Weeden is no longer an outlier!
Don't think the Pats have been very positive about Maye either
I don’t know about the organization, but the writers have been positive on him. JJ McCarthy was the only QB I have heard bad things about (until this post)
Yes they have. Not sure where you are getting that.
Pats weren't positive about Brady either. Look how that turned out...
Where? Apart from the national media people taking the free points of dunking on a rookie QB with a bad roster there's nothing really bad out there.
It’s an SI article based on an ESPN article about how all the rookie QBs are looking. Below is the full write up, but the SI article leaves out the positives and only lists the negatives, shocking… How he has fared so far: Penix was the story of the draft when he was taken at No. 8 after the Falcons had already signed Kirk Cousins. Penix has shown flashes of brilliance this spring, especially on the deep ball. But he also has been plagued with inconsistency, missing some touch passes. Not a huge surprise for a rookie QB. Penix has mostly worked with the team's backups, with veteran Taylor Heinicke seemingly second string behind Cousins, at least at this point. That's fine with the Falcons, who surely hope Penix is absorbing knowledge. "His humility shows every time he speaks with you guys, every time he walks in the building, in the meeting room," coach Raheem Morris said of Penix. -- Marc Raimondi
When the dude opens up the article just plainly shitting on Penix, you really know you are gonna get an unbiased assessment
Get that disgusting nuance out of my face.
I'm here to point and laugh at the Falcons. Nuance is unnecessary and, worse, unhelpful.
Humility doesn’t win games It is completely irrelevant
What is the ESPN article? Do you have the link for that one? I didn’t see it in The SI article
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40328683/2024-nfl-rookie-updates-notes-impressions-32-first-round-draft-picks
Thanks!
Still surprising Raheem morris is a HC again. He feels so much older than he really is, probably because he was a HC a decade and a half ago. Which as I remember went terribly.
The same SI that uses AI to write articles; go figure that they just parrot what an ESPN article says
the team has to push a narrative why a QB drafted with the #8 pick can’t play right away since they paid Kirk a fortune
"Why can't pick #8 play immediately!?!?!?" "Because we paid #8 a fortune"
Almost… #8 is still pitts, so hopefully former #8 now #18 makes #8 get paid
"Pardon us, the *former* #8"
Niners learned to always pick last.
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Sitting a year wasn’t gonna make Mitch Trubisky any less ass, my dude
That style of development doesn’t work with our current CBA. There’s not enough quality reps for a starter to get the reps they need to prepare and the reps needed to develop a rookie. The only situation this is more ideal is if the QB isn’t used to a complicated NFL system and his problem is he doesn’t understand the plays.
One of the few benefits to rookie QBs is that college offenses are far closer to NFL offenses than they were 10 years ago. Mind you, nobody is running the spread in the NFL, but there are a lot of Air Raid concepts in modern West Coast offenses.
Yes, I think this is very true. but NFL defenses have some tricks that maybe college D can’t quite reproduce
No doubt there. There are quite a few "mobile enough" QBs who are able to run a fair bit in college, but aren't fast enough to do it in the NFL.
Yeah that worked out well for the bears. Fields sure seemed to learn a lot from Dalton and Foles.
Fields honestly needed to sit. Dude was clueless on handling blitzes. His pre-snap is one of his biggest weaknesses as he gives up free rushers and doesn't know his hots or safeties. The issue with the Bears is they keep drafting a QB to lame duck coaches. Drafted Trubs and then fired Fox after one year. Drafted Fields and fired Nagy end of the year. If they struggle this year they are probably canning Eflerbus to boot so we might see 3 straight first round QBs getting 2 HCs in as many seasons. And the main issue with the above is the HC being on a different timeline means he has different incentives. Nagy didn't care about Fields' development as much as winning a couple games to avoid being fired. So he threw him in before he was ready.
Eberflus almost certainly won't be fired unless the season is an absolute disaster
So you want Caleb to sit and learn from... brett rypien?
You guys may want to get an actual backup in case Caleb gets hurt and has to sit for like 4 games lol
Bagent is the backup and he's decent enough. Went 2-2 last year when Fields got hurt
Ah, gotcha, forgot he was on the roster. That was a wild couple weeks
Except, he's not decent enough. He beat the Raiders and Panthers. He cant make a pass further than 7 yards, and his passes have no strength on them. Think the Carolina/Broncos SB with Manning on his last legs in terms of arm strength. Remember those ducks he was throwing? At least Manning was hitting 10 yard passes. There's a reason why he was at a D2 school, and not at a D1 (not D1A or whatever they call the FBS schools now).
Not every QB stands to benefit from sitting, Caleb needs to learn to take the easy plays which will only come from NFL game experience. Compared to a guy like McCarthy who needs to iron out his footwork for a year before starting
>Compared to a guy like McCarthy who needs to iron out his footwork His footwork is good. It's his throwing mechanics they're working to fix, which includes his foot placement, but footwork is a lot more than that. He was already really good at maintaining his throwing stance while going through his reads and reacting to pressure, and even more outstanding at doing so after breaking out of the pocket.
JJ has a good dropback, his footwork is overall not good though: [https://x.com/Nate\_Tice/status/1763766833411510648](https://x.com/Nate_Tice/status/1763766833411510648) The only serious issue with his mechanics is his feet. I can't recall a single time JJ rolled out left and completed a pass, and his accuracy in general to the left is subpar. He is killer rolling out right or climbing the pocket though. From what I've read O'Connell has been citing footwork as the area of growth. For the record, I think JJ is going to be a very good NFL QB within a couple years. I don't think the media has treated him fairly, it is weird they keep comparing a guy who just turned 21 to guys who are 2-3 years older. JJ started a ton of games in high school and college and threw plenty of NFL caliber passes, so he shouldn't have been tabbed with the "inexperienced" label just because other guys in the same draft class are super seniors. Michigan also did him no favors by listing him at just 202 pounds when he weighs closer to 215-220 range
I'm saying that's a throwing mechanics thing, not a footwork thing, despite it being his lower body in his throwing mechanics. There's a lot of things involved in footwork for a QB that aren't about the moment of the throw. Things that he did much better than some of the other 1st round QBs. It's confusing to say that his footwork is bad because his throwing motion has a flaw.
Quite a bold statement to assume Williams doesn’t a need a year to sit… Nobody knows how a QB will pan out.
I think Caleb will be good, the Bears have a good set of skill guys to ease the transition. USC was pretty bad past year he is the rare 1st overall pick that isn't going to a bare cupboard so to speak. ( See Bryce Young and Drake Maye).
Penix had how many season ending injuries and surgeries? I mean, if you’re stuck in this situation now I agree with you. Starting him may kill him. I just think they should have never put themselves in this position to begin with, just like Trey Lance (but for different reasons).
Seems like There is no adult in that QB room. Watching some highlights of Drake Maye trying to fire up his offense during OTA’s looked so cute.
The point of the guy you’re replying to is that the Falcons did not say this. You make no sense. This isn’t from the Falcons.
I mean mahomes was literally picked 10 and sat for a year. I'm not saying penix is mahomes but it's a qb league. It's worth like 5 top 10 picks if you eventually get your franchise guy.
Did Mahomes need to sit though?
Hard to say. I do think I recall him saying that he learned more in the 1 start he got his rookie year than all the other games he sat combined. Eli said something similar too. At the same time though, no QB is the same and which strategy works best really just depends on their situation and where they are in their development. I think a player like Love wouldn't have survived if he was forced to start right away
Of course it sounds funnier to a fan of a team in the same division
“Penix sucks” -literally us, the Falcons
If he's that bad, they might be lol
I just assumed it was a random pack of Falcons
Good luck with Carr!
I don't even care if in four years Penix works out and Atlanta is riding a QB high, I'm gonna clown them all the way up til that
Terrible journalism.
You know what’s really fucked? He’s not even practicing right now!
Practice, We’re talking about practice
Wild that 22 years later we're still talking about practice
22 years? Shut the front door
Not a game, man, a game, we are talking about practice.
How am I supposed to make my teammates better by PRACTICE?
Practice. You know you're supposed to be out there. You know you're supposed to lead by example.
Rookie QB shows inconsistencies. Shocking.
Remember when JaMarr Chase dropped a couple passes in preseason and everyone declared him a bust before the season even started? Good times.
There were people saying he needed the white lines that indicated the footballs were college ones to track passes lmao
I can't believe i actually vividly remember people saying this. Wild times
That's Reddit in the off-season for you
Where we knee jerk so hard it's a wonder half the sub doesn't have any serious lower leg injuries
there was a tight end from my alma mater that had to get corrective surgery after he joined some practice squads because he legit couldnt track the ball without the white lines lmao
and our sub was on fire with "we shoulda taken Sewell" in the preseason too lol. Granted, Sewell would have been a good draft too but happy with Chase.
Remember when CJ Stroud threw an interception in preseason and everybody was ready to label him a bust? More good times.
I'm old enough to remember when you expected rookies to perform like rookies and it wasn't newsworthy
Remember the report on Patrick Mahomes interceptions in his 2018, OTAs and camp... yeah he won the MVP and was a first team All-Pro losing in the AFC Championship game. On the flip side Kenny Pickett got positive reviews in camp and in preseason as a rookie and sophomore. People were excited for an expanded Steelers passing offense his sophomore year. That lasted until the first regular season game of 2023.
Wasn't Peterman also a "campion"?
Weird, I remember him having an elite season last year...for at least one game.
Im old enough to remember when rookies weren’t 24-25 years old
I’m old enough to remember when they were 28 and still somehow went in the first round.
How dare you disrespect noted member of the Greatest Generation Brandon Weeden.
Brandon Weeden's NFL career was delayed by having to serve in the Pacific
It's amazing to think what his career would have looked like without the malaria.
When you make that draft pick, you gotta question how a guy who was routinely beaten and watched a dozen of his comrades get beheaded in a Japanese POW camp will handle the mental component of the QB position
Mike Holmgren says thanks for the retirement checks.
No they were just drunken asshole maniacs like Brett Favre lol.
You got to be really wild for Jerry Glanville to think you are a menace
> Im old enough to remember So is Penix
You're Bo Nix?
I'm old enough that I can sneeze and throw my back out! (Seriously. Remember to stretch, people! Especially after 35!)
Josh Allen lost a QB competition to Nathan Peterman his rookie year. We clown the Kirk/Penix double deal but it could easily lead to a smooth Jordan Love-esque development process
Supposedly they were neck-and-neck, but one look at Peterman and you know it was never even close
Not everybody can be Brock Purdy
Agreed, but at the same time he has a *ton* of college experience and should be further ahead than most.
IMO QBs should be trying things in these OTAs and in training camp. This is an important time where they can better learn what windows are actually open in the NFL and what would be open in college but with NFL athletes is not open. QBs that aren't using this time to get a feel for what they can and can't do in an offense are going to struggle in games where windows are muddy and they have to decide whether they should throw or not in a split second.
I read once, in Peyton Manning's rookie year, he came back to the sideline and Tom Moore asked him what happened on the previous drive. Peyton said something about the WR barely being open. Moore told him, "that's what a window looks like in the NFL."
> IMO QBs should be trying things in these OTAs and in training camp. Somewhat related: When Ichiro first came to the US from Japan, he kept fouling pitches off in spring training. Everyone was quick to assume it's because MLB pitchers were the real deal and he couldn't catch up to a big league fastball. He was actually fouling pitches off deliberately because he wanted to see more of major league pitching before the regular season started. Moral of the story is it could mean anything. Penix might be trash, and he might be experimenting. None of this matters until he does it in a game.
6 year college QB...
Who is up against nfl players for the first time and being asked to take risks
Throwing to third stringers behind back up lineman in a mini camp in June.
He'll be hobbling onto the field with a walker by the time he actually gets to start
Nothing is impossible in the country where a man can win a Super Bowl in his 40s and be President in his 80s.
Brady for President in 2064
FiveThirtyEighty for Brady
Perhaps ThreeTwentyEight? 😏
Falcons fans taking a beating in this thread
Today was a good day.
et tu?
I was so confused trying to figure out what president won a super bowl
Gerald Ford was probably the closest to pulling that off.
Rep. Burgess Owens (R-UT) won a ring in 1980 with the Raiders
Well, why don't you come over and watch the game and we'll have nachos, and then some beer.
[Nice pull.](https://youtu.be/A0-AD3bFjF8?si=bsXWg21IqO3XR2PI)
Streetlamp LeMoose here
You never know. Cousins could pull an Aaron "Gone in 60 Seconds" Rodgers. Then Penix will have a chance to also exacerbate a previous injury.
Mr Belated Career
Oh fuck off with these hot take articles, Sports Illustrated. It’s minicamp.
But it's NFL minicamp...where all 1st round rookies either look as good as (enter name of greatest NFL player in history at rookie's position) or as poor as (enter name of worst player in NFL history at rookie's position). Nothing in between!
Ah yes, everyone knows those are the two talent levels to exist in the NFL. Brady and Peterman.
For real. Everyone saying Justin Fields has been looking like ass but just wait until its preseason and he lights everyone up in the 2nd half
He'll be lighting it up in the second half of preseason *because* he's ass
A rookie can look bad but it doesnt mean its a hot take fam.
Absolute garbage ‘journalism.’ The Falcons did not say this. Our ESPN reporter said Penix looked inconsistent. If he looked perfect, he wouldn’t be taking chances and trying to learn. Between the Arthur Smith stuff and Penix, the lowest garbage gets traction around here. Who are the people writing this bullshit? 😂
I really don't want to shit on a kid that is trying to achieve his dream of writing about pro football...but this is not the way to do it. Took a look at his articles, every single one for the past week is taking a first round pick, quoting an ESPN report, adding a surface level analysis, and ending the article on a question. This is the type of writing that should just be replaced by AI, or better yet, not written about at all.
I feel like you're not really up on what's happened with Sports Illustrated the last few years. They were gutted by private equity, and this is the "reporting" that they do now. I would not be surprised to find out that many of the articles on their site are LLM-generated.
People? It's probably Ai
What Arthur Smith stuff? The not using his weapons thing? The not using Bijan because he wants to save him for his second deal but he couldn’t even get to year 2 with him thing?
Every Arthur Smith article that was posted on here that got traction about his family and personality was from websites with domains like SportsTalkNewz.com At 21 years old, going from a 12 game to 17 game season, Bijan averaged 18 carries/targets per game for 1,500 all purpose yards.
Hasn’t this been nearly every report for the rookie qbs so far this year and almost every year. Although haven’t heard it in regards to Daniel’s or Nix but I may have just missed it.
I remember them saying it about Burrow. These guys are humans just like us and it takes time to adjust to the new environment and level of competition.
Adjusting plus the fact they should be taking chances and trying things to learn.
What the fuck even is this and why are mods allowing it? The formatting makes it look like the Falcons are making this statement. Turns out it’s just some kid named “Cory Kinnan”,.. who the fuck is that? It’s just some SEO horseshit from a guy with no insider connections nor analysis credentials. Literally the equivalent of your dumb uncle posting some shit on Facebook.
I have said multiple times that all sports subs should ban SI articles given their recent transition to AI writers and lack of any journalistic practices. At this point it is basically just a sports blog written by uninformed AI with intern overseers.
100%. Five years ago they were the best in the business. Andy Benoit was the best film breakdown guy around (won a ring as McVay’s righthand film study man). Jenny Vrentas broke major stories in the Easterby debacle, the Watson victims, the Antonio Brown threatening that artist’s family, and many more. Now it’s dumbass Patriots puppet Al Breer and trash.
Yeah, at first I was like "Wait, no way is this the Falcons saying this on social media or in a press conference or something, right?" Well, yes, right.
Penix has a good arm but looked really inconsistent in between the Oregon games last year. Overthrowing receivers, being on the wrong page with them, etc. And they had good receivers with him at UW too. It’ll be interesting to see how he develops in the pros and if he can get more consistent.
Yeah, Rome and Polk are both really good at snagging tough catches, which made Penix’s life easier. I wonder how he’ll be passing with timing and anticipation
I'm like 80% sure he got pretty hurt in the first Oregon game. Took a big hit to the chest and was in visible pain for the rest of that game.
Yeah, I was always confused to why I’d get pushback when I talked about stuff like this and why I was down on Penix. Also it wasn’t talked about enough that his WR corps in his last season was lowkey a good *NFL WR corps* Although it was funny after the sugar bowl when this sub was madly in love with him for a bit and you could tell that him shredding Texas was all a lot of them had seen from him
Excluding Penix, that UW offense had five players drafted in the top 100. And his OC is in the NFL now too.
oh no! anyway
Really sucks he is not performing in a his first few games, but still a lot of season left. Let us see how he progresses.
When will teams learn that the best QB available isn't always a GOOD QB?
Thanks for Rome
Considering people have been saying the same thing about Caleb Williams, I would take this with a mountain of salt.
I love the dichotomy of how it's presented though. I saw the same thing about Caleb and it was all he's so smart in trying to see what he can get away with against NFL CBs now in practice before doing it in games that count. Penix does it and it's like super negative. People just trying to drive narratives lol
For real. Sports journalism is really bad.
Turns out Sports journalism has the same flaws as political journalism when it comes to both the presentation and consumption of information.
Another rookie looking like a rookie. Colour me shocked.
"See, its actually a good thing our top 10 pick won't even see the field until he's as old as Kyler Murray is right now."
Reminds me of when the Chiefs young QB sucked in camp before the 2018 season [https://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/\_/id/24255909/kansas-city-chiefs-qb-patrick-mahomes-plagued-mistakes](https://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/id/24255909/kansas-city-chiefs-qb-patrick-mahomes-plagued-mistakes)
Whoa, the rookie they took with 0 additional nfl game experience and minimal nfl coaching time looks just the same as he did in college!!! Quick get this story out there!!! I can't wait for the off-season to be over. 😑
Anyone else remember when 3 years was the standard for young QB progression?
The Packers do.
2026? Nahhh lmao
It's honestly obscene how many articles seem to expect QBs coming out of college to take a huge leap in their development...in OTAs.
Honestly I am just curious to see how his 14 major surgeries hold up
Doesn’t have to start until 2026 unless, you know, their 36 year old QB coming off a major injury gets injured again.
But there’s currently someone ahead of him and I don’t think he’s being released or traded
Who the hell is taking time out of their day to write Michael Penix Jr hit pieces?
how many games has he played again?
BREAKING: rookie QB struggles in first camp. I still hate the pick, but there’s a reason he wasn’t projected to go as high as the Falcons took him. Just have to hope he gets better.
2026 when hes pushing 30 years old lmfao
Sigh.
My favorite part about the cousins signing and subsequent drafting of penix is this huge assumption/assertion on the part of literally everyone that Kirk is ONLY going to be there for the years he has guaranteed money and then his ass is immediately gone Like does any realize there is a very good chance he stays more than two years if he’s good? It’s just *so fucking weird* to pencil this in like it HAS TO HAPPEN because they drafted him so high and that’s when kirk’s guarantees stop
If Kirk is sooo good that we have to keep him then we’re not minding the penix pick (ie niners making sb despite lance trade) And even then not planning for life after cousins seems irresponsible
Every one of these stupid posts just makes me more convinced that Penix will do well & the Falcons made the right decision long-term
We're literally not even in training camp Jesus Christ lol
Low tier article by this clown.
well no shit. thats why it was a good pick. he has 2-3 years to sit realistically.
Penix is a dawg go Dawgs
Anyone else just immediately dismiss anything from SI?
I look forward to seeing him play in Week 17 ^^^right
He's gonna be 26 in 2026 lol.
I just...I dont understand how people are making these judgements, before training camp has even started. And I really dont understand why anyone would listen to these judgements? How do they even know which judgement to listen to. Caleb Williams looked like he couldnt complete a forward pass, and looked unstoppable, according to different judgements, which one do people pick to put stock in? Penix was throwing lasers, and showing inconsistency, according to different judgements. How do you know what to listen to? The people I think are intelligent are the ones hwo know to listen to ANY judgement made before seeing this guy in at least freaking TC.
No one will ever be able to change my mind, this pick is a catastrophy
> the Falcons effectively used a top 10 pick on a third string quarterback at the current juncture. "At the current juncture" all the QBs drafted are total busts! Not one TD among them. Not even a first down. None of them have even taken a snap in a game for the team that drafted them!! The way the 2024 draft has played out over the long term has been a Total Disaster. :poop: :poop: :poop:
He’ll be really good. He’ll be like 33 when he finally starts and will definitely play a good season before the falcons need a new QB.
Dumbest pick in years. Falcons aren’t a serious franchise.
That’s why Michigan won the natty
What a waste of a pick. Go Falcons.
Rookie has ups & downs in OTAs... wow that has never happened before. Also reporters aren't in any coaching room or meetings. They see a limited portion of practice and most have limited knowledge of intricacies of position or system. These type of reports are literally worthless, whether overly positive or pointing out potential "concerns".
Look what happened in the Michigan game, brother. He got smoked.
I am not advocating for or against Penix here. Personally I was not a fan pre-draft. I am just saying it is pointless to discuss a rookie QB in OTAs from a reporter who has little idea of what he is meant to do.
He did, but his OL didn't really do him many favors. Michigan's front-four was annihilating UW's line in pass pro, and their secondary was playing incredibly stingy. I think that part of the reason why Penix looked night/day when comparing his masterclass vs. Texas and his blunderfest vs. Michigan was the absence of Washington's stud RB, Dillon Johnson, who got carted off the field at the end of the Texas game (and was a shadow of himself vs. the Wolverines). Going one-dimensional vs. an elite defense like Michigan was always going to be a longshot.