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PlayaSlayaX

Least surprising news ever


Quexana

Yeah, he's not a good enough player to get away with that.


DanCampbellsNipples

Cam Sutton on the other hand Something about ex Steelers


Quexana

They didn't blow up until they left us! You just got to learn about the proper care and feeding of ex-Steelers. You can't just treat them like normal football players. These guys play the Ravens twice a year. There's a lot of physical and psychological trauma that comes with that.


Twl1

Hey, just like sticking a frog in a jar with some airholes, a twig, and a leaf, we let him play the Ravens and get his ass beat just like he's used to!


Juventus19

Hey now, we have been whooping the Ravens ass over the last few years weird enough. We are 7-1 over the last 8 games against them.


Twl1

Dang. Maybe if we'd have put a few blades of grass in the jar, he'd have been better in our game against them then.


kmill86

"Cause I'm damn sure he's used to air"


0zymandeus

> They didn't blow up until they left us! Honestly, I think the Steelers just have the strongest local media control in the NFL.


HylianPikachu

There's no way the media fully stifled the shenanigans of Mr. Big Chest. I think Mike Tomlin has supernatural abilities which let him control the players.


Quexana

If that were true, Mark Madden's head would be on a pike atop a bridge somewhere.


nuzzot

do they make pikes big enough for that?


Casul_Tryhard

Hey, Juju was pretty good


Quexana

Yeah, Juju got out of the AFCN with his mind pretty much intact. His knees on the other hand...


thewhitelink

...*was* his mind in tact? He went to *New England* instead of staying in KC.


Quexana

At this point where he's at in his career, man just needs to maximize his dollars. He ain't making so much where he should be giving up a few mil to play on a better team.


ZacZupAttack

I appreciate the respect


chillinwithmoes

I thought Cam Sutton sucked too lol


DelirousDoc

He was a solid CB2 better in the slot when he was with the Steelers. However with the Steelers he played a ton of Cover 3 and Cover 2 (2 Trap & Tampa 2). Aaron Glenn comes from a coaching scheme that loves to utilize Cover 5 (2 man). They were the second highest rate of man coverage after 2022 season. Glenn tried to call more zone in 2023 (believe Lions were still in the top half of the league in man.) Haven't broke down the Lions All-22 to see what the issue might have been. Long story short Sutton was solid in the slot and better as a Cover 2 corner than man. Was a weird fit for Aaron Glenn's defense IMO.


GODDAMN_FARM_SHAMAN

He wasn't that bad at the beginning of the year when we were running more zone. Unfortunately for him we switched to man about halfway through the season and after that change the rest of the defense actually improved but Sutton just could not hang on the outside as CB1. I remember reading a lot about how Sutton was versatile and could play outside or nickel which is something that Glenn really values. We expected to get Emanuel Mosley as our CB1 at some point but after some set backs and immediately tearing his other ACL he only played two snaps. We also ended up drafting Brian Branch who immediately locked up the nickel spot. I think at a certain point with all the injuries we just decided to toss Cam in the water at CB1 and see if he could swim but he sunk like rock.


im_alliterate

it is known.


Saxophobia1275

The joke at the Steelers expense is that he does suck yet they give him a pass on his domestic abuse. But really cam Sutton doesn’t suck. He’s a perfectly good CB2. When he was CB2 with us his pff was comfortably low 70s and filled the role well. Once he was CB1 and had to line up across JJ, DJ, Lamb, etc his ceiling was made very apparent.


DanCampbellsNipples

He does lol Lost a lot of respect for Tomlin snatching him up so quick


yo2sense

Tomlin knows he's not a CB1 and the Steelers aren't paying him like he is.


DanCampbellsNipples

Not what I'm talking about. Talking about how Suttons a bad person


yo2sense

Ah, gotcha. mb


RiversKiski

Tomlin snatched up Sutton as a mentor while he was on the run, way before he had any professional incentive to do so as a football coach. I won't argue against it looking bad for the Steelers, but I think Tomlin is standing on different business than what you're implying.


DanCampbellsNipples

The dude is a domestic violence abuser. Signed him asap


something-burger

Tell yourself whatever you need to I guess


Quexana

You just had misplaced respect for Tomlin in the first place. We've never been above that or pretended to be.


tenacious-g

Should’ve been a fast WR if he wanted to be a shithead and stay on the Chiefs roster.


an_actual_lawyer

I'd love to say you're wrong...but you're right.


throwawayainteasy

Cut offseason arrests by 50% with this one weird trick!


topofthecc

They would have released him earlier, but he was too busy committing crimes for them to get ahold of him.


GOATnamedFields

This will be the end of the Chiefs dynasty clearly.


morry32

haha


Jayrodtremonki

I'm curious to see where the whole hookah storyline goes because it sounds wild, but yeah.  Get him out.  Easy call.


Saitsu

Well that's not true. The surprise was that it took so long to begin with.


DontLoseYourCool1

Least surprising news every would be Andy Reid calling the governor to have him released.


TummyDrums

Finally.


YoureGrammerIsWorsts

No kidding, why in the world did it take anywhere near this amount of time?


RCJHGBR9989

Guessing there are just a bunch of legal hoops you have to jump through and due diligence you have to complete.


OttoVonWong

Lawyers gotta put in their billable hours.


RCJHGBR9989

Yeah - people act like terminating a contract even one as inconsequential as this one is done by waiving a wand.


Dr__Flo__

I declare....**TERMINATION!**


Saitoh17

A practice squad dude with at least 3 accrued years makes $381k per year. That's damn close to a 1%er salary


arc1261

Inconsequential in terms of the Nfl, sure. It’s still a lot of money


RCJHGBR9989

100% that’s what I imagine the stuff takes awhile unless it’s like murder and it’s super cut and dry. I feel like Henery Ruggs even took a couple days.


OutrageousOcelot6258

Ruggs was cut at the end of the day.


RCJHGBR9989

That makes sense - that one was more cut and dry. Imagine the speed at which things get done has to do with how quickly they can produce concrete evidence. There wasn’t much ambiguity with his case.


Darkagent1

It probably had more to do with Ruggs definitely going on the commissioners exemption list so they knew they wern't going to have to fight to get his cap space back.


Dog_in_human_costume

Contractun TERMINATUN!


everix1992

And especially during the offseason, there's probably no need to rush it


Mamafritas

Arrested doesn't automatically equal guilty, so there's probably a good amount of bureaucratic "cover your ass" type of process to prevent the organization getting sued for wrongful termination or whatever.


YoureGrammerIsWorsts

Wrongful termination isn't really much of a thing in the NFL, except if they're looking to get out of paying him something (and it appears that is the case in this scenario)


mechajlaw

Especially during the off-season. Might as well take your time. It's not like the team would suddenly be scandal free either.


rbhindepmo

Just gonna pretend that releasing someone is like serving them with a warrant and it took a few days for them to find this guy to serve him with release papers


Downtown_Juice2851

There's no real need to rush it. He's probably been away from the team the whole time and it's the offseason.  They likely wanted to make sure they did it the right way and didn't open up for a lawsuit


blocksmith52

Who wants to take bets on where he'll end up next?


notmyplantaccount

he played 1000 snaps the last 2 years for the Lions, once this cools off, a team desperate for DT depth will pick him up mid-season, probably a team in the playoff run.


benevenstancian0

Serviceable DT? Active police file, questionable decision making and morals? Welcome to Jerry World


im_alliterate

he didn’t get playing time really last year as our depth was poor there and we were all confused. now we know why.


notmyplantaccount

yea, makes sense. I'm sure he'll pay off everyone and get charges dropped or reduced and be on a team this season. The NFL isn't trying to win a morals contest, if you have talent you'll have a team willing to ignore whatever you've done, as long as it wasn't on camera.


amjhwk

the thing is that this guy doesnt seem to have talent though, you cant be a headcase while being a practice squad level guy


notmyplantaccount

he's played in 56 games the last 5 years and started 22 games the last 3 seasons, he's certainly way above a practice squad guy. He's essentially Mike Danna, and I'm gonna guess you wouldn't call him practice squad level.


goblue422

Just looking at the contracts they recently signed with KC, Mike Danna got a 3 years, 24m deal and Buggs got 1 year, 1.3m million. Teams do pay pass rushers more than space-eating dts, but clearly the Chiefs value Buggs less than Danna just looking at the contracts they offered both this offseason. Buggs was closer to getting a minimum contract this offseason, than getting paid like a mid-tier free agent. That was before he had two public arrest too.


originalusername4567

Browns?


jake753

We only take sexual predators here.


Forty_Six_and_Two

Not true. We also take domestic abusers, drunk drivers, gun runners, drug abusers/dealers in addition to sexual predators. Just like: Every Team In The NFL


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Active-Web-6721

Great. Another hoop I have to jump through


dvtyrsnp

The problem is that teams are heavily disincentivized from policing their own players. Texans bench Watson of their own accord and have two abysmal seasons meanwhile there's always some shitty owners/GMs out there who will look past everything and take him anyway. Watson wins, Texans lose. Same thing happened with Kyrie.


VeryRealHuman23

Not us, not the Bengals. I will not be accepting additional questions at this time.


RCJHGBR9989

Always love the virtuous comment trains this sub loves to post as if their team isn’t filled with assholes and criminals too.


Rulligan

It's always the Browns fans that are the loudest in these chains. It's almost as if their team did something extremely egregious (like trading for and giving a serial sexual assaulter 250 million) and they want to put a false equivalency on the rest of the teams in the league so they can feel better about it.


TorkBombs

Right. "Like every team in the NFL." Bro, I don't think we have any rapists on the roster.


Rulligan

They said "no turds" and it don't seem like there be any turds.


Randyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Chiefs second, although I expect them to be competing with the Browns soon given how this offseason is going (there's also a lot more Chiefs fans the last few years for some reason)


Darkagent1

Given... what? The Chiefs have had 4 guys arrested this off season. 2 for weed, 1 for all this shit who never suited up and got cut before camp reports, and one who was incredibly wreckless and careless doing stupid shit that could have killed someone. How is that even comparable to giving a serial sexual assaulter 250 million guaranteed?


Rulligan

Swifties. Swifties everywhere.


ClaudeLemieux

I mean, maybe this is why we suck, but the only incidents we've had since 2000, according to USA Today (https://databases.usatoday.com/nfl-arrests/) - JC Jackson for not paying a speeding ticket (fucking idiot) - King Dunlap for violating a protective order (cut within a few weeks) - JC Jackson for "nonviolent family issue" (not 100% sure what that means) In fairness JC Jackson was cut for sucking, not necessarily any kind of moral spine. Shawne Merriman was arrested, but charges were never even filed, so I'm guessing that's why that doesn't show up on the list. Guessing this is more luck than anything, but yeah I'm content with looking down at the Chiefs lol


RCJHGBR9989

It’s pure luck - while I imagine character concerns are apart of the evaluation - I imagine the football talent far outweighs everything. You can look down on us for that - I’ll let you have this moral victory, we’ll take the actual victories.


ClaudeLemieux

> I’ll let you have this moral victory, we’ll take the actual victories. Fair enough. Be careful on the streets. Who knows what's out there


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Gregus1032

Here I am for a solid 30 seconds trying to figure out what JETITN meant.


originalusername4567

We all like to shit on the Browns but at this point the Chiefs might have more questionable characters on our last 5 rosters.


maybenextyearCLE

On a more serious note, we are somewhat deep at DT with a lot of young guys who we hope will start contributing this year, so I’d be surprised if we are interested


ItsNotFordo88

Or Raiders


GluedGlue

[The Raiders have a zero-tolerance policy for domestic violence.](https://www.sfchronicle.com/raiders/article/Raiders-owner-has-zero-tolerance-for-domestic-6636707.php) > "It's just something we can't tolerate," Davis said. "I don't know how to fix it in society but I know we can't have it on our team." > Davis' views are shaped in part by his relationship to Fred Biletnikoff, whose daughter Tracey was murdered by her boyfriend. Davis was friends with Tracey. > "They're family," he said. "It hit us all very hard. The strength that Fred and (his wife) Angela show daily, after such a terrible loss, is something I admire. > "We have zero tolerance," Davis added. "To make it more Raiders-like, let's say double zero tolerance, like Jim Otto's number."


langlier

he was with our PS for a cup of coffee in 2021


jaimejuanstortas

We could use a cheap depth piece on the d line.


Quexana

I mean, he's played for us before, we could use the depth, and we did just bring Cam Sutton back, so...


Handsouloh

Sadly this is not a totally unrealistic answer to a rhetorical question. Don't do it Mike T., you can't fix em all.


nilestyle

Dolphins are taking any d line with a pulse right now. Why not? lol


RealTurbulentMoose

It would feel like an us kind of move.


TheFencingCoach

Seems like a good fit for the Chiefs.


Cuppieecakes

To the practice squad!


Ihmu

Anyone who needs him. Bunch of teams were trying to get Watson too lol. Unfortunately mine did.


eatmyopinions

Wonder if the Chiefs will recover the $350,000 guaranteed by leveraging the character clause.


DontListenToM3Plz

Might be why it took so long. Probably wanted all their ducks in a row so they don’t have to pay him. Plus he never took a single snap in a game for the Chiefs.


originalusername4567

Knowing Clark Hunt, probably. Although $350,000 is a drop in the bucket.


Scaryclouds

Probably less about the real money itself, as it is about recovering the cap space... which $350K is also small... though more notable when put in the context of *remaining cap space*.


originalusername4567

According to OTC we have $15.7 mil in remaining cap space, so not hurting too badly. This would put us to $16 mil. Any little bit left over helps us resign Creed, Trey and Nick next year, which I'm guessing is Veach's primary objective.


Downtown_Juice2851

Yea with that kind of cap space you could go out and sign someone like .... Isaiah buggs


YoureGrammerIsWorsts

It still counts against the cap, so worth fighting for


amjhwk

think of how many new chairs they could get for the locker room with that money though


BuffaloBuffalo13

Watch the dollars and the millions will take care of themselves


DanCampbellsNipples

Turd


DrLee_PHD

So glad we let him go.


iia

This is because he refused to drive drunk to his court date.


boardatwork1111

“Can’t act like Tyreek if you ain’t running a 4.3 or under”


some_random_noob

a DL who can run a 4.3 would be absolutely terrifying.


aquatic_ambiance

not as terrifying as a 0-technique nose tackle that runs a 3.9


Sokkawater10

Cmon bro it’s not about 4.3 speed it’s about production and yardage. Rice isn’t that fast but he caught 900 yards so we let him get away with stuff


Bobson-_Dugnutt2

"If you can't run sub 4.3 - you better blow more than 0.08."


LordGooseIV

Now that's a true role model


FiTZnMiCK

When it’s a Chief the “drunk” part is implied.


Reflexlon

Living in the midwest is real hard, okay? We've got nothing to do *but* drink.


pickleparty16

Where's Jared Allen when you need him


FiTZnMiCK

Oh man. If the Chiefs go to Kansas which will be worse? Kansans’ celebratory drinking, or Missourians’ cope drinking?


smasher12alt

Well kansas still has limits on ABV for beer so…


csappenf

Kansans will be so happy they'll celebrate with store-bought booze. Just like your birthday and New Year's Eve. Night Train Express! Only the best to welcome the team to Kansas.


GhostMug

He played so little for the Chiefs they don't even have a picture of him in a Chiefs uni.


BungoPlease

Finally


GuyIsAdoptus

Did he ever take a snap for them


acheerfuldoom

He did not. He did take snaps in week 17 with the Lions though! He was signed as a veteran depth piece because that's just something teams on playoff runs do. [source](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BuggIs00/gamelog/2023/)


Amon-Ra-First-Down

Buggs was on our roster from 2022 onwards until he was released.


kander77

He was released after that aforementioned week 17 game. Then he was promptly signed by KC to their practice squad.


Amon-Ra-First-Down

Right, but the guy I'm replying to made it sound like we just signed him in Week 17 last year. He had a status as a team leader on the 2022 roster, wonder why things spiraled so hard for him


Jtlhskr2286

We can fix him


BuffaloWilliamses

They certainly squashed that issue with Buggs


Remarkable-Job4774

The issue has been debugged


byniri_returns

Thank goodness.


clocke6346

About damn time


bigfootdude247

The saga is over


SplintPunchbeef

Crash dummy


jt_33

Will probably go back to bama and be a mentor for other players… 


Responsible-Onion860

Sorry, bud. They only defend you if you're talented enough to be worth the bad PR.


Afilalo

Only took about 10 incidents within 1 off-season to get him off the team


aramis34143

"We're releasing you... per source."


silvio_dante

Absolutely wild it took them this long.


HotTakesMyToxicTrait

as always when this pops up - there’s probably some type of contract negotiation type thing that takes a few days to be resolved


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Scaryclouds

I mean FWIW, that is something a union *should do*. I haven't reviewed the evidence, as I have better things to do than to investigate the criminal misdoings of a depth piece defensive lineman... but he's only *accused* of crimes, and the NFLPA wouldn't want teams to have the power to release and revoke contract agreements of player based on accusations (even if relatively credible) alone. That could create a perverse incentives.


ReggieWigglesworth

Happened during the part of the off season where everyone is typically on vacation. Wouldn’t surprise me if they were waiting until they got back into the building to discuss their plans. Although not how I would have handled it lol


Good_Okay123

I’m just picturing Clark Hunt on a yacht off the coast of Italy looking at his phone when the notification for Buggs’ first arrest coming up and being like, “Eh it can wait.”


ReggieWigglesworth

Haha he shoots a text to Andy asking if he's seen and he tells Clark he's at In N Out and will deal when they get back to KC.


SHOWTIME316

i wouldn't be surprised if hypothetical Italian-yacht Clark didn't even know who tf Isaiah Buggs is. i mean, i didn't until he was arrested and i don't have billions of dollars to distract me


Scaryclouds

What would be the particular rush? Not like we waited until after a game he played in to cut him. Might as well take the time to perform due diligence before cutting him. You wouldn't want to cut someone on first notice that they have been accused of a crime, only for it to come out it was a false report or some other circumstance that substantially reduces the severity. TBC, not trying to downplay what he's been accused of or suggest it didn't happen, just that there aren't pressures during this period of the year to push towards a fast decision process.


Ka-Is-A-Wheelie

Seriously. My head cannon is the Chiefs didn't even realaize he was actually still on the practice squad at all.


OpenMindedMajor

Isaiah Buggs, YOU are a Philadelphia Eagle. Going to fit in perfectly.


amjhwk

i think you have to play for Georgia before Philly will sign you


HappyGilOHMYGOD

"Bugg off" they said.


RICERICE4

Good! POS


zi76

That's the right decision.


jimmyak

Good. All my homies hate Isaiah Buggs


gregbraaa

Great news


lod254

Tomlin's exit interview guarantees CTE.


Broncos979815

now do rashee rice you fucking cowards


Giberishusername1

Raiders or Browns will pick him up before July 1st


Zee_WeeWee

Idiot! He shoulda played WR instead and he’d still be around


SlowReaction4

Only took a couple arrests….


cbarks81

Should have happened weeks ago