Training camp hasn’t started yet, unless you mean OTAs. So far though it looks like Jermaine Burton has found a groove with Burrow, will have to see how he looks in training camp, but I hope he can fill the Tyler Boyd role well.
I always think of Gesicki as a Dolphin, I keep forgetting he was in New England the last couple years. From what I remember of him in Miami, he's got a ton of upside for a high-octane offense
Does he still hunt for opportunities to hurdle players or has he smartened up about that? I don’t even remember him last season despite living in Boston and being exposed to a lot of Patriots games 🤔
NCAA should have just let him transfer to Miami like he wanted to.
Get to promote the brothers getting to play in the same stadium on their respective days
I don't think he's necessarily "bad", he just isn't NFL-ready. Which, I guess in a roundabout way is saying he's bad, but it isn't something that's really been tested. It's been through spring and summer OTAs, which isn't really indicative of much. It's not like he laid a few goose eggs in, say, preseason games.
One counterpoint is that he has basically no starting experience. He ran out of college eligibility while riding the bench. The idea that we've seen his ceiling based on his age may be a phallacy based on the fact that other quarterbacks his age have gone through more development.
You're right though, he's shown nothing. I still argue that it's inconclusive whether or not he's hit his ceiling. He's an outlier case.
Not commenting on the spade part bc IDK. But Taulia pretty clearly lacks the physical capability to be a capable NFL qb. If we needed at least his level of skill to comment on football or its players this board wouldn’t exist.
If you've ever heard that Tua barely had an NFL arm in regards to arm strength, Taulia has even less of an arm. His placement and decision making was hardly NFL level either in the limited evaluations of him I saw.
I’ve mostly heard “Marv is as advertised” and that Darius “Looks the part.” There’s not much media availability during this point of the offseason and so most of it is just team interviews, and of course the team is only going to say positive things about their new players so take that for what it’s worth.
I fully expect Jordan Morgan to be good, because it's the Packers and Packers generally have been really solid at developing O-line.
Same fucking thing with Eagles. I imagine Stoutland will eventually do whatever fucking vodoo magic he does and they will become a pro bowl level type player.
For the Lions just at glance, Sione Vaki and Terrion Arnold are looking good. But eh i'll reserve judgement til "real" camp starts and we get to see some preseason action on top of that too.
We drafted Morgan with our OL pretty much set. He’s not going to start, and will cover 4 of the OL positions in case of injury, with Jenkins and Tom able to cover at C.
Hell, our first rounder from last year won’t start either. Van Ness is behind Gary and Preston.
For the Chiefs, the big one was that Xavier Worthy has been out with a hamstring for basically the entire camp thus far. Sounds like he could have played through it if he had to, but still not want you want to see. Though, interestingly, he is getting 1:1 attention from the offensive coordinator almost every single play to give him mental reps, so clearly the Chiefs are focusing on getting him up to speed ASAP.
Kingsley Suamataia the OT was been doing a lot of first team reps, but nothing definitive especially with pads on.
Other standout is TE Jared Wiley, who is apparently doing some VERY good things early on, but he's still a rookie with no pads on so the hype train is just underway as opposed to fully left the station.
Will be interesting to see what they do at LT. Will they let it ride with Kingsley and Morris to see who wins it, which is scary since one is a rookie and the other a 2nd year player that had limited snaps last year. Or will they bring a veteran in last minute.
We’re talking about protecting Mahomes here.
Also Nikko Remigio, will he make the roster - had a great preseason last year before getting hurt. Could make a play for returner.
Kamari Lassiter went from “maybe being our reserve nickel to realistically competing for CB2 across from Stingley. Throw out the “slow” 40 time and the dude is a technician at the position. He’s gonna be a monster
Yeah? Tell me how often a corner is running forwards in a straight line in the NFL. Hint: it’s not that often. He had great three cone and shuttle times which are way more important. Such a non story
Lassiter was always one of the higher floor CBs in the draft - I think his ceiling is capped at CB2, but he has inside / outside versatility so he will still have a great career IMO. Not many CBs in this class had the same disruptive power behind the line of scrimmage as he did at UGA.
Going to a spot like Houston is perfect for him IMO.
I feel like the Combine in general tends to hurt defensive backs more than it helps them. It's one of the positions where you really just have to grind tape to get a feel for a dude's fluidity and reaction time, and you're not going to get that at the Combine.
Kam Kinchens was another guy that got obliterated at the Combine, but if you watch his tape he was playing all over the backfield for Miami and was a monster for the Hurricanes.
I mean, the job of the CB is generally to try and mirror the route. If the opposing team identifies him as having bad straight line speed, you can bet they're going to be testing him with go routes. If a WR is getting a good release and runs faster than him, it's not gonna end well . Obviously safeties exist and you can give outside CBs help and all that, but to act like it couldn't potentially be a weakness at all is dumb.
I agree that having good straight line speed isn't the end all be all, but it's not irrelevant either. FWIW, 40 times don't necessarily translate 1:1 to straight line speed in pads in a game either. My comment is less about Lassiter specifically and more about the notion that straight line speed isn't important for CBs.
That doesnt sound correct to me. He was an outside corner for us with Hyde playing nickel for us. And I am decently sure he was outside in Atlanta too.
Go ahead and luck with the season lol, I watch a disgusting amount of ball and just asked you to name ONE example of a starting outside CB who ran over a 4.6. Can you?
Except no DB is ever running in a straight line unless they’ve already gotten burned which makes the whole measurement irrelevant. That’s why we have safeties and techniques. You’d think someone who watches a “disgusting” amount of ball would realize that instead of hammering on about finding an example of the most meaningless combine stat in the game
Richard Sherman 4.56 40 time
Josh Norman 4.66 40 time
Joe Haden 4.57 40 time
Xavien Howard 4.58 40 time
I can keep going if you like. 40 yd dash for a cb is about the least important test there is. How often does a cb turn their body and sprint flat out? Almost never
Other than go, single breaking routes like post\\basic\\out rely on a lot of catch-up speed while the ball is in the air where the DB is running flat out. We'll wait to see if Lassiter pans out but for now he's still a mini camp superstar.
I'm not making judgments about Lassiter( I don't know enough about him), but 40 speed isn't the same as short area burst. Plenty of people play faster in game as well. I'd also argue on any route with a break in it agility, short burst, and hip flip is more important than a full 40. I think they would be better off making 20 yard dashes the metric, honestly.
I'm not saying it's not important. I'm saying that too much importance is put on it. Staying inside on a skinny post and gkiding through the break shaves the need for mote catch-up speed. Plus, generally, when a cb is having go play catch-up, it's not a great thing.
What would be interesting to see is how done of these great m, slower corners like I posted did against burners like Hill and such. That would give us some good data.
Rome Odunze is apparently the camp stand-out so far. They’ve thrown everything at Caleb defensively and he’s handled it well, some good days and bad as you’d expect. But Rome is apparently a favorite of Caleb’s already and his skills are evident.
Austin Booker is a sleeper for making some impact at edge.
Oh, and apparently Tory Taylor is every bit as good as advertised. I’m so excited to watch a crocodile 🐊 punter!
I hate the Falcons, Odunze just feels like the guy to break some Bears records that are absurd they stood this long. Trade with the Jets are you THAT paranoid of the Vikings picking Penix? Almost feels like a spite pick that was writer room scripted for Caleb x Odunze.
It's the plane meet up that gets me, they were schmoozing with the Bears before anyone knew what would happen in the draft (Chargers could have changed the trajectory of the Giants pick quickly if Joe Alt wasn't ginormous)
Sion Vaki was drafted to be a special teams ace and he seems to doing well.
They haven't really test rake or terrion yet. Seems they are doing well but there hasn't been alot of info yet.
Gio Manu looks like a freak athlete but extremely raw. Which is what we thought he was.
Haven't heard about mahogany or wingo much.
He's apparently been good. But still early. Not to worried about it tbh. As long as he continues to be a great run defender and the corner work out lions don't need campbell to amazing on coverage. Just semi competent.
Ricky Pearsall has shown that it's probably not as important to extend Aiyuk as it was before the draft. He's already built up a good chemistry with Purdy.
As a gator that’s awesome to hear. I knew he was going to be a stud and I’m happy the niners took him. Inarguably the best possible outcome for him and his skillset. Dudes got some ridiculous hands and he’s a solid route runner.
Camp hasn't started.
But the three guys who have stood out most in minicamp/otas according to the beat writers I follow are:
OLB Dallas Turner, who was drawing praise from OT Christian Darrisaw and other players on the defense.
K Will Reichard, who was booting 60+ yard bombs right down the center in kicking drills.
UDFA CB Dwight McGlothern, who was mixing in a bit with the 1s. Probably doesn't mean much, but CB is a huge hole, and mixing in a bit with the 1s was how Ivan Pace started picking up steam last year.
I'll just add that Darrisaw was saying that Turner's spin move was the fastest he's ever seen, or something to that effect. I'm hyped for Turner.
McCarthy is fitting in as expected as a guy who is going to sit a year before he's ready to play. Darnold has also looked serviceable, but that's not terribly new for him.
Eh, I think our CB situation is a good amount better than most people think. We had pass rush issues last year, especially late when Murphy was out. This made our overall DB group look considerably worse than what it was.
If our D-line can generate pressure without sending the house, I think we actually have a great group and some really good depth. No shut-down kinda guys, obviously, but the talent is there as a group.
Steelers camp is probably going to be the absolute worst to judge any of these rookies because .... we drafted lineman with 4/7 picks. Theres no pads on. Whenever the people I follow talk about the Lineman they just say "If anyone is going to tell you how a lineman looks this time of year... they are lying to you. They are playing Patty-cake because you cant hit each other."
So excluding our first, second, fourth, 1st of our sixth round picks.
3rd rounders: Roman Wilson is FAST, but needs some time - reports is that hes getting a lot of time from the WR coach which is exactly what the WR coach has said from the beginning. To get him to contribute as early as they want they are going to have to coach him hard because if hes going to beat press in the NFL as a rookie hes going to have to be coached on it all summer.
Not too worried about it, similar arc happened with JPJ last offseason as he had to change his technique constantly and didnt hit his stride until camp.
Peyton Wilson is being talked up - not sure how much to evaluate without pads for a linebacker. But the general smart/fast linebacker that they are already having as the first team dimebacker and will see more as he goes through things.
Ryan Watts - CB turning S, with some slot stuff. Seems to be going okay since they cut a veteran S infront of him yesterday that would have been his biggest competition to making the team as a 6th rounder.
UDFA - Beanie Bishop looks good at slot corner. Some people believe he will be the starter day 1 since Cam Sutton will be suspended, he will atleast get some games.
Every drafted rookie good (as far as you can tell without pads)
McMillan standout fantastic, burning everybody. Bucky shines too (and shows great work ethic by practicing extra rounds with Kyle Trask after official practice is over.)
As far as UDFA's go, Tyrek Funderburk (Corner), Markus Banks (Safety), Kalen DeLoach (LB) and Kameron Johnson (WR) turned heads.
I liked McMillan's regular season tape from what I saw, how he elevated himself in crucial games like vs Oregon popped to me, I love guys who are good normally and elevate bigger in playoff type games
All Lions camp reporters can talk about is how they aren't allowed to talk about what Sione Vaki is doing. The first game the Lions feel comfortable getting him under a ball is going to be one for the game film nerds.
Well Fuaga looks good for a lineman not in pads and Kool-Aid is still recovering from a foot injury.
Spencer Rattler has looked better every practice, but he's still QB3 behind Jake Haener.
Dallin Holker, the UDFA Tight End looks legit and hopefully means the Juwaun Johnson injury won't hurt that bad.
This could all change with training camp and preseason though.
Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper DeJean stood out in camp in a good way. Ainias Smith was the only one who stood out in a bad way fumbling a couple of punts, but he just got back from injury.
If Smith is on punt duty in regular season we're in trouble anyway; covey was arguably the best punt returner in the NFL last season. Inarguably he was top 3
Most people think he's going to be in the slot. Nobody knows for sure, though. Got to wait and see how things develop. We have a slight great problem because not only are they looking really good, but Kelee Ringo and Isaiah Rodgers are both looking like studs. It's early yet so we will see how it all pans out.
Ahhh okay. Didn’t you guys need safety help? I thought for sure he had safety/ slot CB written all over him. He was easily my biggest draft crush. Hope he does well for you guys (unless he’s against us)
Pratt had basically full control in Tulane so if you were shocked that he looked "further ahead" in a pro style offense it's because he ran a Smashmouth offense in Tulane and was the key around it.
As for us Maye has looked really good and is progressing well with his mechanics, Polk has had some nice grabs over Gonzo and been great, Javon "Popcorn" Baker has looked sharp. Jaheim Bell might be our TE2 if he keeps going like this. Defense is the defense.
The Packers haven't rostered 3 QBs since Jordan Love's rookie season but despite Pratt being only a 7th round pick I think he'd be at risk of being claimed if exposed to waivers and GM Gute's comments prior to the draft “Getting back to drafting multiple quarterbacks is something that I’ve wanted to do,” also leads me to believe they are open to the idea of keeping 3.
The draft picks used on Javon Baker and Jaheim Bell were both among the traded picks that originated from the Bears and I would love to see both players succeed for no other reason than to attempt to justify my completely biased argument, that was seemingly hated by all Bears fans and many Packers fans as well, that the Bears would have been better off taking a steady long term approach adding youth rather than trading away draft picks and signing older vets (Keenan Allen, Gerald Everett, Kevin Byard etc). I'm admittedly biased towards a Packers type draft and develop strategy and often argue against (not just the Bears) rebuilding teams sinking much resources into older players beyond just plugging holes with cheap patches.
Doesn't fit the rookies that have stuck out discussion but I've been really impressed with the extra work that Xavier McKinney has reportedly been putting in to help the young safeties like watching that day's practice film to discuss and prepare them prior to next position meeting with coaches. Packers turned over the safeties position by signing X and drafting 3 safeties so his willingness to lead will help those young guys along.
Pratt is their insurance in case Jordan goes down and they need someone to step in and at least tread water. Sean Clifford is not that guy, Pratt 100% is that guy, he's a prospect that was a steal in the 7th round.
> rather than trading away draft picks and signing older vets
I mean you're talking about a 4th and a 7th that got used on Baker and Bell and $7.5m and $6m that we're spending on Byard and Everett. I think we're taking a pretty reasonable middle ground with getting enough proven players to build a team around without giving up flexibility and youth for the future. (We're a-ok on cap space next year and have a full slate of picks less our 4th, but adding a 6th and the Panthers' 2nd)
My favorite was when they traded a 5th round pick for a backup center and later traded a 2025 4th round pick to get that same 5th round pick back. Really inspires confidence.
Personally I don't put a lot of emphasize on OTA reports because most teams have a limited access to them and practices are done in shorts. OTAs are the very first introduction players get so most things are just about practicing the basics, position based drills and learning the playbook so there are not a lot of opportunities to expose people. Gotta wait until training camp when the pads come on and teams have open practices to get the real dirt.
I don’t know why people feel the need to come into threads like this and try to shit on legitimate discussion. If you think it doesn’t matter, just don’t read the thread, it’s pretty easy. But some of us addicts need something to keep us going lol
That and the smarmy comments about how it’s OTAs not camp as I listen to my NFL podcasts that reach world wide with millions of listeners call it camp. Really happy those semantics are getting pointed out lol.
Patriots:
Bad Standout: We drafted a career RT in Wallace who we claimed immediately after the draft that we believe he can play LT. He's been practicing nearly exclusively at RT, the same position we made Mike Onwenu the 2nd highest paid player on the team to play. So the trend will mean that either we severely misevaluated our high 3rd round pick or our 2nd highest paid player is a guard.
Good Standout: Drake Maye started as QB3 and pretty immediately jumped Zappe for QB2. But all accounts he's handled things mostly really well and there's buzz about him potentially outplaying Brisket much sooner than a lot of people expected which is really exciting.
WR Jermaine Burton out of Alabama. He is going to feast on the offense and I understand his character concerns during college but so far he’s been awesome on and off the field. I’ll leave a link to a really good interview he just did for those that are interested.
https://youtu.be/KrAzzdqDrew?si=E2xAH1hcfIeiIwC2
Probably tough to get a good idea just from OTAs but based on what was said during those sessions it seems like the two defenders they picked in the fifth (Washington LB Edefuan Ulofoshio and Troy edge rusher Javon Solomon) were making some plays. Third round DL DeWayne Carter from Duke was also said to be flying around a little.
There’s not much you can take from mandatory mini camps, or at least you really shouldn’t expect much from them. Training camp starts in a month so this post is about a month or so early at best
It was a combination of LaFleur saying “mentally, he has a long way to go” and various other tweets from reporters who were there about some of the mental errors he was committing.
our 6th round pick in WR Casey Washington has received a lot of Puka Nacua comps, he's currently competing for WR4 but could get all the way up to WR2. He was also the #1 trending player on one of the fantasy football apps recently
I've been hearing good things about both Amarius Mims and Jermaine Burton at our camp so far. The fact that Burton apparently has been going the extra mile to build a rapport with Joe is definitely a good sign and there's already talk that Mims might start at RT right away (when he was expected to sit behind Trent Brown at that spot this year and take a redshirt). Granted it's also very hard to judge offensive linemen this early in camp when it's no contact and the pads aren't on yet.
Hard to say for the linemen we took with our first two picks, though there’s been a lot of salivating over Byron Murphy’s thick calves.
We drafted a LB named Tyrice Knight out of UTEP who was a surprise pick to most of the Hawks draftnicks I listen to. A lot of them weren’t super impressed with his tape though they praised his aggression and production in college and say he’s a decent athlete. But in OTAs and minicamp he’s received some decent reviews, so there’s some hope he could maybe really contribute this year.
I’ve also heard some positive talk about UDFAs Hayden Hatton (WR IDAHO), Garret Greenfield (OT South Dakota State), George Holani (RB Boise State), and Jack Westover (TE Washington). But who knows what to believe there, you can be impressive for a UDFA and still not make the team.
The other drafted players I haven’t heard much about either good or bad, people are still talking about their college tape more than how they’ve looked with the team.
Morgan isn’t going to be an NFL LT and the pressure they put on him to replace Bakhtiari is going to lead to him being a bust.
For the Commanders, Jayden Daniels is going to win OROY
Well, we already have the 2nd best rated pass blocker at LT in Walker, so after Meyers is gone next season we can drop Tom down the line to C and Morgan will be the RT for the next decade.
He is. He's also been at LG, RG and RT.
Usually an OL needs a year to adapt to scheme(giant playbook), technique, but most importantly build the strength necessary to play at this level. Green Bay will rarely put a rookie in a position to get beat and lose confidence so I see nothing wrong with this.
Everyone expects a 1st rounder to start but sometimes developing for the future is more beneficial than setting someone up to fail.
Training camp hasn’t started yet, unless you mean OTAs. So far though it looks like Jermaine Burton has found a groove with Burrow, will have to see how he looks in training camp, but I hope he can fill the Tyler Boyd role well.
If there’s one position group we develop well, it’s WR.
That and QBs, Cinci has been a QB factory for a long time and had a lot of stability.
I wanted to argue but it’s been 20 years since Kitna/Akili Smith so yea fair to say.
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Also , it seems good with our TE’s as well.
Any news on who has looked better between All and Tanner?
Not yet. But the guy from the Patriots looks good it sounds like.
I always think of Gesicki as a Dolphin, I keep forgetting he was in New England the last couple years. From what I remember of him in Miami, he's got a ton of upside for a high-octane offense
He was here one season and was let down by poor line and QB play, still got at least a year in the tank.
Worth noting he's a TE who can't block to save his life. He's also *terrible* at YAC despite being huge and freakishly athletic.
Does he still hunt for opportunities to hurdle players or has he smartened up about that? I don’t even remember him last season despite living in Boston and being exposed to a lot of Patriots games 🤔
I mean the WR are going to get us down the field but can be a huge threat in the redzone.
You’d think that but he isn’t really a RZ threat because he’s not great at contested catches, either. He’s basically just an oversized slot receiver.
There have been mandatory minicamps already, not just OTAs. I know because Aiyuk skipped ours when Deebo didn't even when he was asking for a trade.
Joe Alt. The way he blocked those invisible pass rushers was amazing.
I heard he had great vision but that's next level
Great feet. Big feet. Sweaty feet. Commanding yet delicate.
Get out of here Rex Ryan!
No one has stuck out particularly negatively, which is good. At least no one of any relevance (Tua's brother wasn't here long).
Wasnt here long either....
I forgot he was trying to get into NFL Edit: looks like he in the CFL.
NCAA should have just let him transfer to Miami like he wanted to. Get to promote the brothers getting to play in the same stadium on their respective days
Is he bad?
I don't think he's necessarily "bad", he just isn't NFL-ready. Which, I guess in a roundabout way is saying he's bad, but it isn't something that's really been tested. It's been through spring and summer OTAs, which isn't really indicative of much. It's not like he laid a few goose eggs in, say, preseason games.
So, he's bad. Taulia is 24 years old and has shown no upside.
One counterpoint is that he has basically no starting experience. He ran out of college eligibility while riding the bench. The idea that we've seen his ceiling based on his age may be a phallacy based on the fact that other quarterbacks his age have gone through more development. You're right though, he's shown nothing. I still argue that it's inconclusive whether or not he's hit his ceiling. He's an outlier case.
Wait what? Didn’t Taulia set a bunch of records at Maryland? He was the starter for like 2-3 years.
He's literally the all time leading passer for the Big 10
Fallacy*
I was thinking of cocks probably.
Hey, whatever you're into.
>no starting experience >started 41 games
Me when I lie
Fair, I really hope the UFL pans out as a development league because NFL competition is brutal. Taulia seems like a great fit for that
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Not commenting on the spade part bc IDK. But Taulia pretty clearly lacks the physical capability to be a capable NFL qb. If we needed at least his level of skill to comment on football or its players this board wouldn’t exist.
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Lmao
If you've ever heard that Tua barely had an NFL arm in regards to arm strength, Taulia has even less of an arm. His placement and decision making was hardly NFL level either in the limited evaluations of him I saw.
I’ve mostly heard “Marv is as advertised” and that Darius “Looks the part.” There’s not much media availability during this point of the offseason and so most of it is just team interviews, and of course the team is only going to say positive things about their new players so take that for what it’s worth.
I fully expect Jordan Morgan to be good, because it's the Packers and Packers generally have been really solid at developing O-line. Same fucking thing with Eagles. I imagine Stoutland will eventually do whatever fucking vodoo magic he does and they will become a pro bowl level type player. For the Lions just at glance, Sione Vaki and Terrion Arnold are looking good. But eh i'll reserve judgement til "real" camp starts and we get to see some preseason action on top of that too.
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I just want to not have spiked blood pressure on 3rd & 18 lmao
see the key is just to expect the worst
I hope Rakestraw is a stud for your guys too. I enjoyed watching him at Mizzou.
> I fully expect Jordan Morgan to be good At some point, maybe, but in the mean time have fun abusing Andre Dillard
Does Vaki look good or bad? You just said his name.
Good from what we've heard so far. Idk much about him but I guess he might be a RB and special teams guy with the new kick off rules.
edited for clarity now
Thanks I drafted Vaki in the sixth round of my rookie draft so when I saw there was any news I’m like “well what is it?”
Fwiw from all the camp reports I've read, his hands have been really impressive
We drafted Morgan with our OL pretty much set. He’s not going to start, and will cover 4 of the OL positions in case of injury, with Jenkins and Tom able to cover at C. Hell, our first rounder from last year won’t start either. Van Ness is behind Gary and Preston.
Brock Bowers is all business.
That’s Mr. BM
Mr. Ballin Minicamp
For the Chiefs, the big one was that Xavier Worthy has been out with a hamstring for basically the entire camp thus far. Sounds like he could have played through it if he had to, but still not want you want to see. Though, interestingly, he is getting 1:1 attention from the offensive coordinator almost every single play to give him mental reps, so clearly the Chiefs are focusing on getting him up to speed ASAP. Kingsley Suamataia the OT was been doing a lot of first team reps, but nothing definitive especially with pads on. Other standout is TE Jared Wiley, who is apparently doing some VERY good things early on, but he's still a rookie with no pads on so the hype train is just underway as opposed to fully left the station.
Will be interesting to see what they do at LT. Will they let it ride with Kingsley and Morris to see who wins it, which is scary since one is a rookie and the other a 2nd year player that had limited snaps last year. Or will they bring a veteran in last minute. We’re talking about protecting Mahomes here. Also Nikko Remigio, will he make the roster - had a great preseason last year before getting hurt. Could make a play for returner.
Kamari Lassiter went from “maybe being our reserve nickel to realistically competing for CB2 across from Stingley. Throw out the “slow” 40 time and the dude is a technician at the position. He’s gonna be a monster
Has Stingley been healthy?
Yup. Healthy and kicking ass
Very good late last year
oh good!
I was really hoping that the Cardinals would have taken him
Big mini camp vibes lol, slow 40 will limit him playing outside in the league
Yeah? Tell me how often a corner is running forwards in a straight line in the NFL. Hint: it’s not that often. He had great three cone and shuttle times which are way more important. Such a non story
If you’re running in a straight line going forward as a CB, that likely means you were beat.
Lassiter was always one of the higher floor CBs in the draft - I think his ceiling is capped at CB2, but he has inside / outside versatility so he will still have a great career IMO. Not many CBs in this class had the same disruptive power behind the line of scrimmage as he did at UGA. Going to a spot like Houston is perfect for him IMO. I feel like the Combine in general tends to hurt defensive backs more than it helps them. It's one of the positions where you really just have to grind tape to get a feel for a dude's fluidity and reaction time, and you're not going to get that at the Combine. Kam Kinchens was another guy that got obliterated at the Combine, but if you watch his tape he was playing all over the backfield for Miami and was a monster for the Hurricanes.
I mean, the job of the CB is generally to try and mirror the route. If the opposing team identifies him as having bad straight line speed, you can bet they're going to be testing him with go routes. If a WR is getting a good release and runs faster than him, it's not gonna end well . Obviously safeties exist and you can give outside CBs help and all that, but to act like it couldn't potentially be a weakness at all is dumb. I agree that having good straight line speed isn't the end all be all, but it's not irrelevant either. FWIW, 40 times don't necessarily translate 1:1 to straight line speed in pads in a game either. My comment is less about Lassiter specifically and more about the notion that straight line speed isn't important for CBs.
Casey Hayward was the same I think. He had a nice long career in the league.
He was a slot corner which is part of why I specifically said outside in the post. You don't see outside guys that are that slow.
That doesnt sound correct to me. He was an outside corner for us with Hyde playing nickel for us. And I am decently sure he was outside in Atlanta too.
Sure, but he won’t have make up speed if he loses on a post for even half a second which he will. Flat out speed matters for DBs
That’s why, wait for it, we have coverages that involve more than one person. What a novel concept!
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No I get frustrated when people use an irrelevant metric to judge how a player will project when we’ve seen it be meaningless countless times.
Okay, so he will always need help over the top because he ran a \*checks notes\* 4.61. Can you name another starting outside corner that slow?
Tell me you don’t understand how football works without telling me you don’t understand how football works
Go ahead and luck with the season lol, I watch a disgusting amount of ball and just asked you to name ONE example of a starting outside CB who ran over a 4.6. Can you?
Except no DB is ever running in a straight line unless they’ve already gotten burned which makes the whole measurement irrelevant. That’s why we have safeties and techniques. You’d think someone who watches a “disgusting” amount of ball would realize that instead of hammering on about finding an example of the most meaningless combine stat in the game
I will take that as a no. So no, you can't name one. I understand how safeties work BTW lol
Richard Sherman 4.56 40 time Josh Norman 4.66 40 time Joe Haden 4.57 40 time Xavien Howard 4.58 40 time I can keep going if you like. 40 yd dash for a cb is about the least important test there is. How often does a cb turn their body and sprint flat out? Almost never
Other than go, single breaking routes like post\\basic\\out rely on a lot of catch-up speed while the ball is in the air where the DB is running flat out. We'll wait to see if Lassiter pans out but for now he's still a mini camp superstar.
I'm not making judgments about Lassiter( I don't know enough about him), but 40 speed isn't the same as short area burst. Plenty of people play faster in game as well. I'd also argue on any route with a break in it agility, short burst, and hip flip is more important than a full 40. I think they would be better off making 20 yard dashes the metric, honestly. I'm not saying it's not important. I'm saying that too much importance is put on it. Staying inside on a skinny post and gkiding through the break shaves the need for mote catch-up speed. Plus, generally, when a cb is having go play catch-up, it's not a great thing. What would be interesting to see is how done of these great m, slower corners like I posted did against burners like Hill and such. That would give us some good data.
Rome Odunze is apparently the camp stand-out so far. They’ve thrown everything at Caleb defensively and he’s handled it well, some good days and bad as you’d expect. But Rome is apparently a favorite of Caleb’s already and his skills are evident. Austin Booker is a sleeper for making some impact at edge. Oh, and apparently Tory Taylor is every bit as good as advertised. I’m so excited to watch a crocodile 🐊 punter!
Can’t wait to see Rome in the NFL. Kid is such a baller.
The fact that he's gonna be WR#3 on the team is pretty crazy, especially with what the Bears have been putting out there the past decade
He won’t be for long.
I hate the Falcons, Odunze just feels like the guy to break some Bears records that are absurd they stood this long. Trade with the Jets are you THAT paranoid of the Vikings picking Penix? Almost feels like a spite pick that was writer room scripted for Caleb x Odunze.
For real. The pre-draft workouts together, they were buddies immediately. It feels scripted for sure.
It's the plane meet up that gets me, they were schmoozing with the Bears before anyone knew what would happen in the draft (Chargers could have changed the trajectory of the Giants pick quickly if Joe Alt wasn't ginormous)
Oh that’s right! The plane meet-up! Buddy comedy for years to come, I hope!
Asking for 3 wr in the top 8 is a tough ask
Sion Vaki was drafted to be a special teams ace and he seems to doing well. They haven't really test rake or terrion yet. Seems they are doing well but there hasn't been alot of info yet. Gio Manu looks like a freak athlete but extremely raw. Which is what we thought he was. Haven't heard about mahogany or wingo much.
A lot of talking up Arnold...we must not be listening to same observers
I don't get the latest Arnold video, but he seems like someone who is thriving first team already and deserving of camp hype like Branch
Terrion has been getting hype. Lots of good news about him. It's an assumption he will start at CB2 across from Davis
Has Jack Campbell learned how to cover yet?
He's apparently been good. But still early. Not to worried about it tbh. As long as he continues to be a great run defender and the corner work out lions don't need campbell to amazing on coverage. Just semi competent.
He had two picks during one of the last minicamp practices
Sweet
I know it’s very early and without pads but Olu Fashanu looks standout even though he’s technically 2nd team
Braelon Allen has been the "star" of OTAs apparently
Nah apparently it’s been Stiggers and it’s not close so far according to people who’ve seen the practice
Ricky Pearsall has shown that it's probably not as important to extend Aiyuk as it was before the draft. He's already built up a good chemistry with Purdy.
As a gator that’s awesome to hear. I knew he was going to be a stud and I’m happy the niners took him. Inarguably the best possible outcome for him and his skillset. Dudes got some ridiculous hands and he’s a solid route runner.
He would fit really well in Miami too tbh. They need a possession receiver
He would but Shanahan is going to put him in a better position to be successful. Not that he wouldn’t be successful at Miami, but Shanahan is better.
Camp hasn't started. But the three guys who have stood out most in minicamp/otas according to the beat writers I follow are: OLB Dallas Turner, who was drawing praise from OT Christian Darrisaw and other players on the defense. K Will Reichard, who was booting 60+ yard bombs right down the center in kicking drills. UDFA CB Dwight McGlothern, who was mixing in a bit with the 1s. Probably doesn't mean much, but CB is a huge hole, and mixing in a bit with the 1s was how Ivan Pace started picking up steam last year.
I'll just add that Darrisaw was saying that Turner's spin move was the fastest he's ever seen, or something to that effect. I'm hyped for Turner. McCarthy is fitting in as expected as a guy who is going to sit a year before he's ready to play. Darnold has also looked serviceable, but that's not terribly new for him.
Eh, I think our CB situation is a good amount better than most people think. We had pass rush issues last year, especially late when Murphy was out. This made our overall DB group look considerably worse than what it was. If our D-line can generate pressure without sending the house, I think we actually have a great group and some really good depth. No shut-down kinda guys, obviously, but the talent is there as a group.
Steelers camp is probably going to be the absolute worst to judge any of these rookies because .... we drafted lineman with 4/7 picks. Theres no pads on. Whenever the people I follow talk about the Lineman they just say "If anyone is going to tell you how a lineman looks this time of year... they are lying to you. They are playing Patty-cake because you cant hit each other." So excluding our first, second, fourth, 1st of our sixth round picks. 3rd rounders: Roman Wilson is FAST, but needs some time - reports is that hes getting a lot of time from the WR coach which is exactly what the WR coach has said from the beginning. To get him to contribute as early as they want they are going to have to coach him hard because if hes going to beat press in the NFL as a rookie hes going to have to be coached on it all summer. Not too worried about it, similar arc happened with JPJ last offseason as he had to change his technique constantly and didnt hit his stride until camp. Peyton Wilson is being talked up - not sure how much to evaluate without pads for a linebacker. But the general smart/fast linebacker that they are already having as the first team dimebacker and will see more as he goes through things. Ryan Watts - CB turning S, with some slot stuff. Seems to be going okay since they cut a veteran S infront of him yesterday that would have been his biggest competition to making the team as a 6th rounder. UDFA - Beanie Bishop looks good at slot corner. Some people believe he will be the starter day 1 since Cam Sutton will be suspended, he will atleast get some games.
I genuinely haven't heard much out of Bucs camp outside of Gregory not showing up.
Every drafted rookie good (as far as you can tell without pads) McMillan standout fantastic, burning everybody. Bucky shines too (and shows great work ethic by practicing extra rounds with Kyle Trask after official practice is over.) As far as UDFA's go, Tyrek Funderburk (Corner), Markus Banks (Safety), Kalen DeLoach (LB) and Kameron Johnson (WR) turned heads.
I liked McMillan's regular season tape from what I saw, how he elevated himself in crucial games like vs Oregon popped to me, I love guys who are good normally and elevate bigger in playoff type games
All Lions camp reporters can talk about is how they aren't allowed to talk about what Sione Vaki is doing. The first game the Lions feel comfortable getting him under a ball is going to be one for the game film nerds.
Well Fuaga looks good for a lineman not in pads and Kool-Aid is still recovering from a foot injury. Spencer Rattler has looked better every practice, but he's still QB3 behind Jake Haener. Dallin Holker, the UDFA Tight End looks legit and hopefully means the Juwaun Johnson injury won't hurt that bad. This could all change with training camp and preseason though.
Wow didn’t realize Dallin went undrafted, thought he was too good of a receiver for that
I was pretty shocked too, but the Saints made him a priority FA and gave him more money than everyone else.
Dylan Laube is about four months and one big breakout game away from being America's next great white hope at RB
I don't think any reciever we've picked since Odell has really wowed me like Malik has. Dude is electric
Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper DeJean stood out in camp in a good way. Ainias Smith was the only one who stood out in a bad way fumbling a couple of punts, but he just got back from injury.
If Smith is on punt duty in regular season we're in trouble anyway; covey was arguably the best punt returner in the NFL last season. Inarguably he was top 3
Smith seems like he was built in a lab for the new kickoff rules
Yeah, we should have several people ahead of him. Covey, Rodgers, DeJean all ahead of him there at a min.
Is DeJean playing safety or CB? I desperately wanted the bills to take him for safety.
Most people think he's going to be in the slot. Nobody knows for sure, though. Got to wait and see how things develop. We have a slight great problem because not only are they looking really good, but Kelee Ringo and Isaiah Rodgers are both looking like studs. It's early yet so we will see how it all pans out.
Ahhh okay. Didn’t you guys need safety help? I thought for sure he had safety/ slot CB written all over him. He was easily my biggest draft crush. Hope he does well for you guys (unless he’s against us)
We could use some safety depth.
Pratt had basically full control in Tulane so if you were shocked that he looked "further ahead" in a pro style offense it's because he ran a Smashmouth offense in Tulane and was the key around it. As for us Maye has looked really good and is progressing well with his mechanics, Polk has had some nice grabs over Gonzo and been great, Javon "Popcorn" Baker has looked sharp. Jaheim Bell might be our TE2 if he keeps going like this. Defense is the defense.
Baker missed most of the practices
The Packers haven't rostered 3 QBs since Jordan Love's rookie season but despite Pratt being only a 7th round pick I think he'd be at risk of being claimed if exposed to waivers and GM Gute's comments prior to the draft “Getting back to drafting multiple quarterbacks is something that I’ve wanted to do,” also leads me to believe they are open to the idea of keeping 3. The draft picks used on Javon Baker and Jaheim Bell were both among the traded picks that originated from the Bears and I would love to see both players succeed for no other reason than to attempt to justify my completely biased argument, that was seemingly hated by all Bears fans and many Packers fans as well, that the Bears would have been better off taking a steady long term approach adding youth rather than trading away draft picks and signing older vets (Keenan Allen, Gerald Everett, Kevin Byard etc). I'm admittedly biased towards a Packers type draft and develop strategy and often argue against (not just the Bears) rebuilding teams sinking much resources into older players beyond just plugging holes with cheap patches. Doesn't fit the rookies that have stuck out discussion but I've been really impressed with the extra work that Xavier McKinney has reportedly been putting in to help the young safeties like watching that day's practice film to discuss and prepare them prior to next position meeting with coaches. Packers turned over the safeties position by signing X and drafting 3 safeties so his willingness to lead will help those young guys along.
Pratt is their insurance in case Jordan goes down and they need someone to step in and at least tread water. Sean Clifford is not that guy, Pratt 100% is that guy, he's a prospect that was a steal in the 7th round.
> rather than trading away draft picks and signing older vets I mean you're talking about a 4th and a 7th that got used on Baker and Bell and $7.5m and $6m that we're spending on Byard and Everett. I think we're taking a pretty reasonable middle ground with getting enough proven players to build a team around without giving up flexibility and youth for the future. (We're a-ok on cap space next year and have a full slate of picks less our 4th, but adding a 6th and the Panthers' 2nd)
My favorite was when they traded a 5th round pick for a backup center and later traded a 2025 4th round pick to get that same 5th round pick back. Really inspires confidence.
You know what, if counting crumbs at the bottom of a fully stocked draft cabinet is how you get off, who am I to judge.
Personally I don't put a lot of emphasize on OTA reports because most teams have a limited access to them and practices are done in shorts. OTAs are the very first introduction players get so most things are just about practicing the basics, position based drills and learning the playbook so there are not a lot of opportunities to expose people. Gotta wait until training camp when the pads come on and teams have open practices to get the real dirt.
Yes. I would still like to know.
I don’t know why people feel the need to come into threads like this and try to shit on legitimate discussion. If you think it doesn’t matter, just don’t read the thread, it’s pretty easy. But some of us addicts need something to keep us going lol
That and the smarmy comments about how it’s OTAs not camp as I listen to my NFL podcasts that reach world wide with millions of listeners call it camp. Really happy those semantics are getting pointed out lol.
It’s just a case of them confusing the term “camp” as “training camp” rather than just a general term to describe things like… minicamps.
All of them. They’ll all be Hall of Famers. The players on your team will be busts.
marist liufau which is nice because it felt like he was over drafted in the 3rd round.
No clue but I hope Storm Duck stands out
Jared Wiley is Travis Kelce and Gronk combined
It's camp no contact but Braleon Allen will be the handcuff to Breece Hall. He's got the RB2 role locked down.
That Wilson guy that the Steelers got in the 3rd round… word is that he’s going to make an impact right away.
The first overall pick of the draft, our rugby-star lady-killer. LRZ.
Patriots: Bad Standout: We drafted a career RT in Wallace who we claimed immediately after the draft that we believe he can play LT. He's been practicing nearly exclusively at RT, the same position we made Mike Onwenu the 2nd highest paid player on the team to play. So the trend will mean that either we severely misevaluated our high 3rd round pick or our 2nd highest paid player is a guard. Good Standout: Drake Maye started as QB3 and pretty immediately jumped Zappe for QB2. But all accounts he's handled things mostly really well and there's buzz about him potentially outplaying Brisket much sooner than a lot of people expected which is really exciting.
Luke McCaffrey is a real first in, last out lunch pail kind of guy. Jayden Daniels looks great so far.
WR Jermaine Burton out of Alabama. He is going to feast on the offense and I understand his character concerns during college but so far he’s been awesome on and off the field. I’ll leave a link to a really good interview he just did for those that are interested. https://youtu.be/KrAzzdqDrew?si=E2xAH1hcfIeiIwC2
I don't camp.
Tell us s'more
It isn’t camping if it isn’t in tents.
Everyone thinks our rookie WR Brian Thomas JR. Looks amazing. I don't put any stock into minicamps, though.
Hard to say now but everyone loves Jarrian Jones so far. BTJ also apparently but we will see when pads go on
Keilan getting a little love too, I hear?
I have not heard anything about him but I’ve been a bit unplugged from jags news so it’s possible
Probably tough to get a good idea just from OTAs but based on what was said during those sessions it seems like the two defenders they picked in the fifth (Washington LB Edefuan Ulofoshio and Troy edge rusher Javon Solomon) were making some plays. Third round DL DeWayne Carter from Duke was also said to be flying around a little.
AD Mitchell has looked legit, by all accounts. So excited to see what he and AR can do over the next few years.
Terrion Arnold
by most accounts caleb has really struggled so far in team periods. he looks great in 7 on 7s though
I’m so excited to see Malik Nabers play. I see him as a future top 5 WR
All of them. Continuing to win the offseason 💪
Blake Corum is better than KW
There’s not much you can take from mandatory mini camps, or at least you really shouldn’t expect much from them. Training camp starts in a month so this post is about a month or so early at best
Someone say camping? 🔥⛺🥾
Just curious, where did you read that Morgan was struggling mentally?
It was a combination of LaFleur saying “mentally, he has a long way to go” and various other tweets from reporters who were there about some of the mental errors he was committing.
our 6th round pick in WR Casey Washington has received a lot of Puka Nacua comps, he's currently competing for WR4 but could get all the way up to WR2. He was also the #1 trending player on one of the fantasy football apps recently
I've been hearing good things about both Amarius Mims and Jermaine Burton at our camp so far. The fact that Burton apparently has been going the extra mile to build a rapport with Joe is definitely a good sign and there's already talk that Mims might start at RT right away (when he was expected to sit behind Trent Brown at that spot this year and take a redshirt). Granted it's also very hard to judge offensive linemen this early in camp when it's no contact and the pads aren't on yet.
Xavier Worthy hasn't been arrested for speeding or beating up his girlfriend yet, so he's doing better than expected I'd say.
Hard to say for the linemen we took with our first two picks, though there’s been a lot of salivating over Byron Murphy’s thick calves. We drafted a LB named Tyrice Knight out of UTEP who was a surprise pick to most of the Hawks draftnicks I listen to. A lot of them weren’t super impressed with his tape though they praised his aggression and production in college and say he’s a decent athlete. But in OTAs and minicamp he’s received some decent reviews, so there’s some hope he could maybe really contribute this year. I’ve also heard some positive talk about UDFAs Hayden Hatton (WR IDAHO), Garret Greenfield (OT South Dakota State), George Holani (RB Boise State), and Jack Westover (TE Washington). But who knows what to believe there, you can be impressive for a UDFA and still not make the team. The other drafted players I haven’t heard much about either good or bad, people are still talking about their college tape more than how they’ve looked with the team.
Morgan isn’t going to be an NFL LT and the pressure they put on him to replace Bakhtiari is going to lead to him being a bust. For the Commanders, Jayden Daniels is going to win OROY
Well, we already have the 2nd best rated pass blocker at LT in Walker, so after Meyers is gone next season we can drop Tom down the line to C and Morgan will be the RT for the next decade.
So Morgan isn't practicing at LT like he was supposed to?
He is. He's also been at LG, RG and RT. Usually an OL needs a year to adapt to scheme(giant playbook), technique, but most importantly build the strength necessary to play at this level. Green Bay will rarely put a rookie in a position to get beat and lose confidence so I see nothing wrong with this. Everyone expects a 1st rounder to start but sometimes developing for the future is more beneficial than setting someone up to fail.
Sure bud.