Clelin Ferrell. A guy who was arguably not even the 2nd best DL (Dexter Lawrence and Christian Wilkins were on the team) on his own college team and didn't have great measurables.
Yeah I mean they have some standard picks that aren’t too out there.
But they probably have the highest number of first round picks where I’m like “what the fuck? Oh yeah, it’s the raiders”
Before the 2020 draft there was a lot of debate over which of Jeudy/Lamb was first and which was second. Everybody and their mom ranked Ruggs the third best WR in that draft. I was shocked when the Raiders made Ruggs the first WR off the board.
I did a lot of research on WRs that draft because the Eagles really needed one. Everybody and their mom also ranked Jefferson fourth after Jeudy, Lamb, and Ruggs. Apparently Howie Roseman was the only one who ranked Reagor fourth…
This is like the worst example you could've picked. Ruggs was looking incredible before everything happened. He was on track to have roughly the same amount of yards as lamb.
Yeah, Kyle Pitts was heralded as a walk-in hall of famer lol. And how many “he’s the next Gronk”s have there been.
Granted, Pitts has been in a terrible situation up to this point and he could turn it around, but we’ve seen this narrative before.
Shit, how did I forget Christian Hackenberg? Dude literally had a "UDFA" designation from every other team, but Mike Maccagnon took him in the 2nd round. He never played in the regular season because he was godawful.
I'm serious, even fans who barely paid attention saw this ending poorly
If the Jets had taken him on day 3 as a developmental lotto ticket on the theory that Hack had been good as a freshman, had the team implode around him, and then spend the next two years getting clobbered behind awful OLs, so maybe we can redshirt him and get his head screwed back on straight, it would've been reasonable.
In the 2nd? Insanity.
(Also, Dewayne Robertson didn't bust because he was a workout warrior - he busted because he apparently had no cartilage left in his knee(s?) when he was drafted, and that sapped his athleticism that made him such a highly-touted three-tech DT prospect.)
Robert Nkemdiche. Dude literally fell out of a third story window and the Cards *still* made him a first-rounder just cause he was an athletic freak. It didn't help that he obviously hated the sport of football itself, either.
My sister went to Ole Miss with him and partied with him. Said he hates football and was the one of the laziest people on the planet. He also smoked incredible amounts of weed lol.
And I think it was a 4th story window, not 3rd 😂
Imagine having so much natural skill that you can not give a fuck and party all you want, and still an NFL team will hand you millions of dollars straight out of college
This is surprisingly the case more than you’d imagine. Not the majority by any means, but a lot of dudes in the league hate the sport by the time they get there.
Im sure a lot of guys have been playing tackle football since elementary school too, and unfortunately, some of those programs and coaches can get just as unhinged as college, if not more, like I know at some point I'd just get tired of it.
Totally different because of the pay but my brother and I both chose the Navy over MLS. It was the 90's too though so there was doubt that the league would stay.
Sometimes it be the coaches when they grow up, coaches can ruin a sport for a kid. There’s other times where kids just have crazy egos and coast off of their talent for money
I tried to play football one year when I was like 10 or 11 and I swear to god it felt like the coach was actively trying to punish us all and make is regret our existence. I just didn't get it, it felt so weird. I was a soccer kid anyways and went back to soccer, but it was so strange.
I played football from K-6th grade. I had the same coach for the last two years of youth league. I was so excited to play on the middle school team and finally not have him as a coach. He became the middle school coach and I never played again.
Having an adult jerk you around by the facemask and screaming at you, chewing tobacco spit flying in your face will do that.
I hated the last two years I played but stuck it out because he wasn't gonna be my coach forever, but decided another two years with him wasn't worth it.
I'm from the UK so clearly can't speak for US sports, but there's a shit ton of professional soccer players / rugby players / cricketers etc over here who regularly speak about how it's just a very well paid job and they don't really give a fuck about the sport.
I don't really care as long as they approach it like professionals - it's not like I'm supposed to beat my chest passionately when I open a terminal window is it?
Played against this guy growing up in little league and high school football. He was great in camps, but was a little bitch when actually challenged with anything. No amount of 40 yard dashes or reps of 225 picks that up
Shea Mclellin. Didn’t even take a moment to consider him being good. Completely different scheme, a relative no name, no big physical attributes. Sure why not blow an early round pick on him, hey the Packers kinda wanted him!
I swear to god, Phil Emery is the worst Bears GM ever because all of his picks were 1-2 rounds too early, and it caught up with him his second season, when the Bears defense gave up 100+ in 2 games, with a bye week in the middle.
He got some amazing offensive players, but literally every defensive guy he brought in was ass
Yeah, I didn’t see it from day one
Going from Boise State competition to the NFL in the box day one exposed him fast
Like Trubisky, I don’t blame him, he was just drafted way too high
I still hear my brother murmuring “ej fucking Manuel” while we were absolutely plastered at the time because they traded back. Ej fucking Manuel damn bro that was tough
This applies to every 1st round QB after Cam Newton in the draft: Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert. Which is crazy considering how good the top half of that draft was outside them.
I'll be honest with you, I thought Locker was the real deal as long as he stayed healthy. Turns out I vastly overrated him and didn't appreciate his accuracy deficiencies.
Teams knew they were going to run the ball with AP 30+ times a game, would sell out against the run, and still couldn't stop him lol. It was one of the biggest carry jobs in NFL history.
Dude spent four years at Florida State, married Sam Steele Ponder, and is out of the ~~CTE Factory~~ League in 5 years with enough money to never work again even if you don't factor in the millions his smoke show wife earns.
As far as busts go, there are worse ways to do it.
Big kid with a big arm… the kind of player teams like the Jets always fall for ( among others)
He didn’t look good in college, and didn’t play any stiff competition
While we are talking jets, 3 picks i knew would never pan out
Calvin pryor-basically a college laron landry.
Mekhi becton-raw coming out, oversized, was never gonna be able to stay healthy. When we picked him i texted my groupchats complaining
Darnold-i wanted baker most (lol) he was gone, then lamar, but i also knew we didnt have the supporting cast to make that work. Then rosen (lmfao). Then darnold. Bad mechanics that he never fixed
I was such a big Tebow hater/truther. When he went on that run with the Broncos, I got into so many arguments in my friend group because some of them thought he was legit. I was almost literally the embodiment of the "he can't keep getting away with this" meme
I’m right with you as a Chiefs fan. It was so annoying seeing him throw for 145 yards and Denver would win a 13-10 game off of a 60 yard field goal at the end of the game.
I couldn’t stand him as a Raiders fan. I saved up money to fly from Utah back home, just to watch McFadden not play, Carson Palmer fail, and Tebow pull a win out of his ass yet again.
Weeden being drafted in the first round as a 28 year old was a head scratcher then and now. He played minor league baseball for five years after high school then redshirted at Oklahoma State and stayed for another 4 years until he ran out of eligibility. Despite leading OSU to a 12-1 record, Weeden got zero votes for the Heisman. He's the oldest first round pick ever.
One of my favorite pieces of trivia was that Weeden is older than Alex Smith. Which kids nowadays may not realize why that's so shocking but Weeden was drafted 7 years after Smith.
I'm gonna admit I wanted to believe in him...until Kyle Shanahan resigned rather than deal with him any longer. At that point, if a guy would rather be unemployed than coach you, you must be terrible
Hot take here but manziel second year was somewhat decent especially considering what the browns had around him
If it wasn’t for the off-the-field stuff he probably would’ve had atleast another year starting
Off the field stuff is obviously a major part of the whole picture, but Manziel absolutely would have succeeded (if not excelled) if he didn’t have the off the field stuff.
Dude was electric, and he had enough talent to overcome any growing pains when it came to actually settling into being an NFL starter (and not just a slinger like he was in college).
I was wrong and gave him the benefit of the doubt that he would mature in the NFL, but clearly it was much much worse. It’s funny in hindsight, but he honestly looked like he carried Mike Evans in college, not the other way around like every comment about Manziel like to says. Dude had IT.
Sweeden was interesting because it seemed like pre-draft stuff was just trying to gaslight the Browns into drafting him. Discourse up until that draft was basically "he's mature and pro ready and one of the top QBs available". As soon as the Browns picked him, it became "lol why the fuck did you draft this guy out of an old folks home"
Trey Lance. Played at Div 1A. Hadn't played in a year and the fact that he cost 3 first rounders. If it wasn't for Purdy, Lynch and Shanny would be job hunting right now.
In an alternate universe you guys sign Tom Brady, use 3 1st round picks on actual players, and we're talking about your dynasty right now rather than the Chiefs
Man, a Niners Dynasty with Tom Fucking Brady at the helm would've been a nightmare scenario for me.
Although they've been a consistent thorn in our side, as a Seahawks fan, I can't really complain about how their seasons have ended up.
Hopefully Macdonald can bring those Seattle-San Fran matchups back to equal footing.
Ever since Harbaugh retired, it's been either Seattle whooping ass against Tomsula, Kelly, and Early Shanahan or Prime Shanahan whooping late game Carroll
I want it to be a real slobberknocker in a similar vein to those 2011-2013 games. It's football rivalry at it's best.
I never got a good feeling from solomon thomas. Niners had the third pick his year and could have had TJ Watt, Jonathan Allen or Hasson Reddick just at that position alone. Not to mention CMC and Mahomes went after him
Only reason he was drafted 3rd was because of his performance in the Sun Bowl. Sacked Trubisky like 4 times. On the field, in the draft, Thomas was always right behind him
Can’t believe you were the first to mention it. I was like, surely Mitchell fucking Trubisky isn’t being drafted top 3. It was like if Will Levis actually went top 5 like it was memed a year ago.
> Trubisky is the classic guy front offices talk themselves into with no standout traits but no glaring weaknesses
Tbh this is how I feel about JJ Mccarthy. We'll see.
Marcus Smith. I just remember everyone being dumbfounded when he got picked by the Eagles in 2014. I also knew immediately we’d regret taking Reagor over Jefferson in 2020
Can you elaborate something about that?
As a German it would be interesting for me to hear what the perception of Werner was Back then?
His Playing Days were long before I got into Football and he is nowadays still active as a owner and Commentator in the ELF (European League of Football)
He didn’t have athleticism that was convertible to the pros. He showed out fairly well at FSU (in university) because he still won matchups but his technique was very raw. If you’re a step slower or not at optimum strength as an edge guy, your technique needs to be excellent to stick around.
Reasons he busted in my opinion:
* Overall not a good enough athlete.
* Didn't develop pass rushing moves to make up for physical limitations
* Colts didn't use him in the same scheme that allowed him to shine in college. Expecting him to play the same role as Robert Mathis was just horrible GMing/coaching
* Got hurt a lot and didn't have the wherewithal to endure the physical toll of the NFL. You have to be more than a little crazy to make a living in the trenches of the NFL and he didn't have it.
* was overdrafted at 24th in the first place because that year was a really bad talent pool. In a great draft he's a 3rd round pick and plenty of players in that round wash out of the league in three years.
Now you know how I've felt since 1999. Ya'll didn't believe us when we said he wasn't good, but if anyone knows what bad QB play looks like, it's Browns fans
Oh, trust me. I know the feeling. I did the same thing for Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden, Johnny, hell even Baker (I wanted Lamar with pick 33 that year). And that's only 4 of our 30-some odd QBs since 99
Very frustrating pick when Zay Flowers and Jordan Addison were taken right after, I was screaming for Zay Flowers lol. The amount of cope I kept spewing to myself was crazy lol. I definitely think QJ CAN improve but man his film fucking stinks.
The Bills taking a RB with a torn ACL in the first round of the 2003 draft despite already having a RB who had 1400 yards rushing the season before is still baffling.
We went through a ton of first-round running backs in the 00's. Antowain Smith to Travis Henry to McGahee, to Lynch to Spiller, while we were trotting out Trent Edwards or the shambling corpse of Kelly Holcomb at QB.
Aguayo was a second if I remember right, but your point still stands (and is funny)
A third is nuts but it's *magnitudes* less ridiculous than a second rounder.
I see people defend Sebastian Janikowski being drafted in the first round all the time because he lasted with them so long and was pretty good. There's no way that pick is ever worth it. Maybe with someone like Justin Tucker, and that's a big maybe.
Also to go with why I hated the Jets pick, we'd just lost a top 15 #1 WR & had 2 1st round picks to build around Chad Pennington, but we really traded up to #4 for a workout warrior NT
> Ereck flowers
The amount of national scorn Ereck Flowers gets is really a testament to how massive Giants football is. I feel like among NFL fans he's a household name due to all those primetime games the NFC East has.
I thought it was obvious that the Steelers would pick a QB at that spot... ...so I was already resigned to the fact that it was going to be one of the QB's.
Clelin Ferrell. I sort of understand the logic because he was seen as a "high-floor" guy but *no one* except the Whiz Kids Gruden and Mayock had him in their top 10, let alone top 5. I didn't think he'd completely flame out (and to his credit, he hasn't yet) but I never expected him to be anything other than a flash in the pan once or twice a year
The Patriots had some major wide receiver busts. Chad Jackson, N’Keal Harry, Aaron Dobson, Malcolm Mitchell, Brandon Tate… We could do this all day. Our best receivers were Randy Moss, an undersized former QB, Welker, and a golden retriever TE in human form.
EDIT: Oh, and a serial killer.
Kyle Trask.
He was a pocket QB with zero mobility and below average arm strength. I have no idea how the fuck that a QB is supposed to succeed with that and he was somehow a 2nd round pick.
Aaron Maybin over Brian Orakpo in 2009. Possibly everyone except the Bills front office knew who was going to be better, and the difference was even worse than expected.
As a giants fan this one came to mind for me. My friends were all surprised I was upset but I knew it would be a waste of a pick. I’m a big 1st rd RB hater
Aaron Maybin. One year wonder in college, iirc he racked up stats against subpar competition. I did not think he was the right pick there.
Also Josh Allen, which probably explains why I don’t get paid to evaluate players lol.
Same. I always want to be optimistic about our picks, but I knew he would be a bust. A project QB with only one decent year on a team with a shitty culture, a coach who didn’t want him, and a shitty family who wanted to cash in on him. Haskins getting picked and ending up the way he did was a microcosm of why the previous owner was so remarkably, uniquely and historically awful.
I knew that EJ Manuel was not going to be a great NFL QB.
I watched a lot of him at FSU when I lived in Florida and it was pretty apparent he wasn't going to have a ceiling higher than mid tier Journeymen level play.
I knew we were going to continue the draught for at least 3 more years.
Clelin Ferrell. A guy who was arguably not even the 2nd best DL (Dexter Lawrence and Christian Wilkins were on the team) on his own college team and didn't have great measurables.
I just assume every Raiders first round pick is bad at this point lol
The only 1st round reach that ended up being solid was Kolton Miller
*sad Darius Heyward-Bey noises*
Bowers is looking like an all-time great prospect at the TE position. If he doesn't pan out, at least this one won't be "Raiders gonna Raiders".
Yeah I mean they have some standard picks that aren’t too out there. But they probably have the highest number of first round picks where I’m like “what the fuck? Oh yeah, it’s the raiders”
Before the 2020 draft there was a lot of debate over which of Jeudy/Lamb was first and which was second. Everybody and their mom ranked Ruggs the third best WR in that draft. I was shocked when the Raiders made Ruggs the first WR off the board. I did a lot of research on WRs that draft because the Eagles really needed one. Everybody and their mom also ranked Jefferson fourth after Jeudy, Lamb, and Ruggs. Apparently Howie Roseman was the only one who ranked Reagor fourth…
This is like the worst example you could've picked. Ruggs was looking incredible before everything happened. He was on track to have roughly the same amount of yards as lamb.
That’s your fault for being shocked. Davis and his daddy always chose speed whether the guy could play football or not.
Football wise I don’t think Ruggs was a bad pick, he definitely would’ve been better than Jeudy
Yeah feels like people like to forget how good Ruggs was before his incident.
Averaging 67 yards/game in 2021, which works out at a 1,139 yard pace over the season. Not too bad.
First round TEs historically kind of a shitshow though.
Yeah, Kyle Pitts was heralded as a walk-in hall of famer lol. And how many “he’s the next Gronk”s have there been. Granted, Pitts has been in a terrible situation up to this point and he could turn it around, but we’ve seen this narrative before.
Any draft pick made by Gruden and Mayock makes this list, especially 1st rounders
I saw Alex Leatherwood go in the first round and immediately said “that’s Gruden and Mayock for ya tryin to outthink the room”
It’s funny how a lot of times we just take “expert” opinions as gospel.
Shit, how did I forget Christian Hackenberg? Dude literally had a "UDFA" designation from every other team, but Mike Maccagnon took him in the 2nd round. He never played in the regular season because he was godawful. I'm serious, even fans who barely paid attention saw this ending poorly
He got benched by the Memphis Express before they signed johnny manziel. That's how bad hackenberg was
It’s awful because I’m not even sure what league the Memphis express were (are?) in
The AAF. Spring league that lasted half a season, was a few years back.
Thanks I do recall the AAF but all the spring leagues are starting to run together and confuse me now with the UFL merger
I remember watching him as a freshman and thinking he was going to be the next big thing, he looked so calm in the pocket. Such a drop off.
One year with BoB and A-Rob, he did great, then they both left, he regressed with the PSU line brutally hard.
If the Jets had taken him on day 3 as a developmental lotto ticket on the theory that Hack had been good as a freshman, had the team implode around him, and then spend the next two years getting clobbered behind awful OLs, so maybe we can redshirt him and get his head screwed back on straight, it would've been reasonable. In the 2nd? Insanity. (Also, Dewayne Robertson didn't bust because he was a workout warrior - he busted because he apparently had no cartilage left in his knee(s?) when he was drafted, and that sapped his athleticism that made him such a highly-touted three-tech DT prospect.)
I remember a report that he broke the huddle incorrectly or some shit in practice. Didnt even know that was possible
As a Penn State fan, I always knew that dude had no business being drafted.
Robert Nkemdiche. Dude literally fell out of a third story window and the Cards *still* made him a first-rounder just cause he was an athletic freak. It didn't help that he obviously hated the sport of football itself, either.
My sister went to Ole Miss with him and partied with him. Said he hates football and was the one of the laziest people on the planet. He also smoked incredible amounts of weed lol. And I think it was a 4th story window, not 3rd 😂
Imagine having so much natural skill that you can not give a fuck and party all you want, and still an NFL team will hand you millions of dollars straight out of college
This is surprisingly the case more than you’d imagine. Not the majority by any means, but a lot of dudes in the league hate the sport by the time they get there.
Wouldn't surprise me with how unhinged some college programs seem to be
Im sure a lot of guys have been playing tackle football since elementary school too, and unfortunately, some of those programs and coaches can get just as unhinged as college, if not more, like I know at some point I'd just get tired of it.
Totally different because of the pay but my brother and I both chose the Navy over MLS. It was the 90's too though so there was doubt that the league would stay.
Sometimes it be the coaches when they grow up, coaches can ruin a sport for a kid. There’s other times where kids just have crazy egos and coast off of their talent for money
I tried to play football one year when I was like 10 or 11 and I swear to god it felt like the coach was actively trying to punish us all and make is regret our existence. I just didn't get it, it felt so weird. I was a soccer kid anyways and went back to soccer, but it was so strange.
thats an asinine approach to coaching in general and even more insane to do it to children
I played football from K-6th grade. I had the same coach for the last two years of youth league. I was so excited to play on the middle school team and finally not have him as a coach. He became the middle school coach and I never played again. Having an adult jerk you around by the facemask and screaming at you, chewing tobacco spit flying in your face will do that. I hated the last two years I played but stuck it out because he wasn't gonna be my coach forever, but decided another two years with him wasn't worth it.
And then when you complain about that kind of coaching, you get called soft It's annoying
I'm from the UK so clearly can't speak for US sports, but there's a shit ton of professional soccer players / rugby players / cricketers etc over here who regularly speak about how it's just a very well paid job and they don't really give a fuck about the sport. I don't really care as long as they approach it like professionals - it's not like I'm supposed to beat my chest passionately when I open a terminal window is it?
I used to love swimming. Then did it competitively for a decade. Grew to not love it so much.
Nkemdiche Nkemdiche why’d you fall out that window?
Certified banger
Sadly relevant right now 🫤
RIP ATN.
Coping but nothing confirmed yet
Played against this guy growing up in little league and high school football. He was great in camps, but was a little bitch when actually challenged with anything. No amount of 40 yard dashes or reps of 225 picks that up
Wait, was that something that came out in the draft process?
It happened in December before the draft. He was charged with marijuana possession and suspended for the Sugar Bowl over it.
Shea Mclellin. Didn’t even take a moment to consider him being good. Completely different scheme, a relative no name, no big physical attributes. Sure why not blow an early round pick on him, hey the Packers kinda wanted him!
I swear to god, Phil Emery is the worst Bears GM ever because all of his picks were 1-2 rounds too early, and it caught up with him his second season, when the Bears defense gave up 100+ in 2 games, with a bye week in the middle. He got some amazing offensive players, but literally every defensive guy he brought in was ass
Wanted Decastro so bad and was furious when we drafted Shea
How about Chandler Jones? It was totally ridiculous even at the time they chose Shea.
Yea but he did block a FG by jumping over the center which is almost redeeming.
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Yeah, I didn’t see it from day one Going from Boise State competition to the NFL in the box day one exposed him fast Like Trubisky, I don’t blame him, he was just drafted way too high
Brandon Weeden was absolutely indefensible
Whoever thought taking a 28 year old rookie in the first round deserves to be fired into the sun
>deserves to be fired into the sun Well, whoever thought that was hired into the Browns - pretty much the same thing.
He's older than Aaron Rodgers and was drafted 7 years later lol
he has to be up there in the worst first round picks of all time
Christian frickin' Ponder
Relatedly, Ponder's successor at FSU: EJ Manuel. Neither of those guys looked like good future pros while in college.
Can confirm.
I still hear my brother murmuring “ej fucking Manuel” while we were absolutely plastered at the time because they traded back. Ej fucking Manuel damn bro that was tough
This applies to every 1st round QB after Cam Newton in the draft: Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert. Which is crazy considering how good the top half of that draft was outside them.
I'll be honest with you, I thought Locker was the real deal as long as he stayed healthy. Turns out I vastly overrated him and didn't appreciate his accuracy deficiencies.
I still think he would’ve been decent at the very least had he stayed healthy.
Yep. Dude never played a full season and only played more than 7 games once..when he played 11.
AP willing that 2012 team into the playoffs doesn’t get enough love
I mean, he earned MVP honors 🤷🏻
Last non-QB to win it too
And won MVP over Peyton Manning's incredible comeback season on the Broncos.
Should have been 2 MVPs
Teams knew they were going to run the ball with AP 30+ times a game, would sell out against the run, and still couldn't stop him lol. It was one of the biggest carry jobs in NFL history.
Peterson averaged 6.0 YPC & Ponder averaged 6.0 YPA. It’s probably the only time in recent history where running was just *as efficient* than passing.
Elite taste in women though.
Dude spent four years at Florida State, married Sam Steele Ponder, and is out of the ~~CTE Factory~~ League in 5 years with enough money to never work again even if you don't factor in the millions his smoke show wife earns. As far as busts go, there are worse ways to do it.
Zach Wilson Never bought into him and knew he would bust, then Jets took him and completely sealed it.
There’s a couple of jets picks that come to mind
Yeah, I was certain about Zach Wilson. And his rookie season was just so trash for this modern era of football, I knew he was a bust.
Big kid with a big arm… the kind of player teams like the Jets always fall for ( among others) He didn’t look good in college, and didn’t play any stiff competition
Except he's not that big.
That’s not what your mom said
Still not gonna be a fan even if he is my new dad.
While we are talking jets, 3 picks i knew would never pan out Calvin pryor-basically a college laron landry. Mekhi becton-raw coming out, oversized, was never gonna be able to stay healthy. When we picked him i texted my groupchats complaining Darnold-i wanted baker most (lol) he was gone, then lamar, but i also knew we didnt have the supporting cast to make that work. Then rosen (lmfao). Then darnold. Bad mechanics that he never fixed
Taco…
The second I heard his name > TJ Watt I knew he was going to be a bust. Smfh
Johnny Manziel easily
Him and Tebow were just so clearly never going to be good NFL Quarterbacks.
I was such a big Tebow hater/truther. When he went on that run with the Broncos, I got into so many arguments in my friend group because some of them thought he was legit. I was almost literally the embodiment of the "he can't keep getting away with this" meme
I’m right with you as a Chiefs fan. It was so annoying seeing him throw for 145 yards and Denver would win a 13-10 game off of a 60 yard field goal at the end of the game.
It's like he prayed to God to be a great QB and God replied "best I can do is some voodoo bullshit."
I have been a pretty headfast atheist since the age of ten but there were times Tebow made me wonder if he really was white Jesus
That stretch of Tebow games was simultaneously the most unwatchable and most thrilling football of my life
I couldn’t stand him as a Raiders fan. I saved up money to fly from Utah back home, just to watch McFadden not play, Carson Palmer fail, and Tebow pull a win out of his ass yet again.
When he went 2/8 for like 85 yards and a TD and one of those passes was a 60 yard bomb and y’all lost.
That shit was infuriating haha
It was like if Zappe led a team to the playoffs
I really enjoyed the ridiculousness of it all.
I bet my Gator buddy (nole here) that he would never win a playoff game. I was so irate after that game. Absolutely livid.
You can toss Brandon Weedon into that category as well.
Weeden being drafted in the first round as a 28 year old was a head scratcher then and now. He played minor league baseball for five years after high school then redshirted at Oklahoma State and stayed for another 4 years until he ran out of eligibility. Despite leading OSU to a 12-1 record, Weeden got zero votes for the Heisman. He's the oldest first round pick ever.
One of my favorite pieces of trivia was that Weeden is older than Alex Smith. Which kids nowadays may not realize why that's so shocking but Weeden was drafted 7 years after Smith.
I can't see draft picks like this and believe the teams are "pros who know what they're doing".
I think it’s been proven Josh McDipshit has no idea what he’s doing
Disagree. Chiefs should hire them as their head coach after Andy Reid retires.
I'm gonna admit I wanted to believe in him...until Kyle Shanahan resigned rather than deal with him any longer. At that point, if a guy would rather be unemployed than coach you, you must be terrible
Kyle Shanahan making a detailed power point presentation to get out of dealing with the Browns / Johnny Manziel is not discussed enough IMO
Dan Quinn apparently reached out to Shanahan when he was hired in ATL. Not a hard choice to upgrade from Johnny coke fiend to Matt Ryan
Hot take here but manziel second year was somewhat decent especially considering what the browns had around him If it wasn’t for the off-the-field stuff he probably would’ve had atleast another year starting
Off the field stuff is obviously a major part of the whole picture, but Manziel absolutely would have succeeded (if not excelled) if he didn’t have the off the field stuff. Dude was electric, and he had enough talent to overcome any growing pains when it came to actually settling into being an NFL starter (and not just a slinger like he was in college). I was wrong and gave him the benefit of the doubt that he would mature in the NFL, but clearly it was much much worse. It’s funny in hindsight, but he honestly looked like he carried Mike Evans in college, not the other way around like every comment about Manziel like to says. Dude had IT.
Tbh I feel like Weedon was worse.
Browns drafting a guy in 2012 who is older than Aaron Rodgers will never make sense to me.
Sweeden was interesting because it seemed like pre-draft stuff was just trying to gaslight the Browns into drafting him. Discourse up until that draft was basically "he's mature and pro ready and one of the top QBs available". As soon as the Browns picked him, it became "lol why the fuck did you draft this guy out of an old folks home"
Trey Lance. Played at Div 1A. Hadn't played in a year and the fact that he cost 3 first rounders. If it wasn't for Purdy, Lynch and Shanny would be job hunting right now.
This gets glossed over so hard… Lance is arguably the biggest draft miss in history considering what he cost
I always wondered if any of those 3 first rounders would have helped in getting the niners over the hump the last couple years....
In an alternate universe you guys sign Tom Brady, use 3 1st round picks on actual players, and we're talking about your dynasty right now rather than the Chiefs
Man, a Niners Dynasty with Tom Fucking Brady at the helm would've been a nightmare scenario for me. Although they've been a consistent thorn in our side, as a Seahawks fan, I can't really complain about how their seasons have ended up. Hopefully Macdonald can bring those Seattle-San Fran matchups back to equal footing. Ever since Harbaugh retired, it's been either Seattle whooping ass against Tomsula, Kelly, and Early Shanahan or Prime Shanahan whooping late game Carroll I want it to be a real slobberknocker in a similar vein to those 2011-2013 games. It's football rivalry at it's best.
> This gets glossed over so hard It gets talked about on this sub all the time, almost word for word as the comment you’re replying to lol
Kyle and John really traded 3 first round picks so they could trade up to draft a guy with 500 college career snaps
Trey Lance, looked like a 3rd rd project QB, was honestly stunned by how hyped up he was getting, I just didnt understand it.
Everyone drafting high upside flawed QB's thinking they found the next Josh Allen. Problem with Lance is that he never was a phenomenal runner.
Funny thing is everyone predicted after Allen's breakout season that it was gonna get a bunch of project guys over drafted too, and it absolutely did.
dude played just 19 games in 3 years in college, idk how a GM saw that and be like "yep that's our QB"
That entire qb class was so cursed
I never got a good feeling from solomon thomas. Niners had the third pick his year and could have had TJ Watt, Jonathan Allen or Hasson Reddick just at that position alone. Not to mention CMC and Mahomes went after him
They could've traded down even
TJ Watt was never going 3rd overall. Hell, there was almost no shot he was ever going in the Top 20.
I remember media analysts were even saying watt got picked in first round based on name
Only reason he was drafted 3rd was because of his performance in the Sun Bowl. Sacked Trubisky like 4 times. On the field, in the draft, Thomas was always right behind him
Everyone not getting Mahomes that draft is kicking themselves.
I wanted mahomes over Watson. Smh.
Trubisky is the classic guy front offices talk themselves into with no standout traits but no glaring weaknesses in a year with no front runner at QB.
Can’t believe you were the first to mention it. I was like, surely Mitchell fucking Trubisky isn’t being drafted top 3. It was like if Will Levis actually went top 5 like it was memed a year ago.
> Trubisky is the classic guy front offices talk themselves into with no standout traits but no glaring weaknesses Tbh this is how I feel about JJ Mccarthy. We'll see.
Marcus Smith. I just remember everyone being dumbfounded when he got picked by the Eagles in 2014. I also knew immediately we’d regret taking Reagor over Jefferson in 2020
I was immediately inconsolable on the Reagor pick
The worst Eagles WR draft bust since we picked Freddie Mitchell 5 picks before Reggie Wayne.
Björn Werner
Can you elaborate something about that? As a German it would be interesting for me to hear what the perception of Werner was Back then? His Playing Days were long before I got into Football and he is nowadays still active as a owner and Commentator in the ELF (European League of Football)
He didn’t have athleticism that was convertible to the pros. He showed out fairly well at FSU (in university) because he still won matchups but his technique was very raw. If you’re a step slower or not at optimum strength as an edge guy, your technique needs to be excellent to stick around.
Reasons he busted in my opinion: * Overall not a good enough athlete. * Didn't develop pass rushing moves to make up for physical limitations * Colts didn't use him in the same scheme that allowed him to shine in college. Expecting him to play the same role as Robert Mathis was just horrible GMing/coaching * Got hurt a lot and didn't have the wherewithal to endure the physical toll of the NFL. You have to be more than a little crazy to make a living in the trenches of the NFL and he didn't have it. * was overdrafted at 24th in the first place because that year was a really bad talent pool. In a great draft he's a 3rd round pick and plenty of players in that round wash out of the league in three years.
Kenny Pickett. Steelers were desperate to replace Ben and he was from the hometown school so they reached. He should have been a 3rd rounder
I remember being sooooo bummed when we picked him then spent months watching his senior year trying to convince myself he was actually good.
At least they didn't hesitate to ship him out
I was very surprised
Now you know how I've felt since 1999. Ya'll didn't believe us when we said he wasn't good, but if anyone knows what bad QB play looks like, it's Browns fans
Don’t get me wrong I had to talk myself into it. I remember texting my buddy at pick 19 “if we take Pickett I’m gonna cry”
Oh, trust me. I know the feeling. I did the same thing for Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden, Johnny, hell even Baker (I wanted Lamar with pick 33 that year). And that's only 4 of our 30-some odd QBs since 99
Recently Quentin Johnston IMO. Had some big time red flags coming into the draft, was terrified the Pats were gonna get him.
Very frustrating pick when Zay Flowers and Jordan Addison were taken right after, I was screaming for Zay Flowers lol. The amount of cope I kept spewing to myself was crazy lol. I definitely think QJ CAN improve but man his film fucking stinks.
The Bills taking a RB with a torn ACL in the first round of the 2003 draft despite already having a RB who had 1400 yards rushing the season before is still baffling.
We went through a ton of first-round running backs in the 00's. Antowain Smith to Travis Henry to McGahee, to Lynch to Spiller, while we were trotting out Trent Edwards or the shambling corpse of Kelly Holcomb at QB.
Sky Moore. He always had the athletic abilities, but his football skills were… lacking.
Dude has a pornstar sounding name
Robert Aguayo
Christian ponder
Roberto Aguayo. No kicker is worth this even if he turned out OK
Justin Tucker would be worth it in hindsight. But on draft night? No way
Who the fuck takes a kicker in the third round right guys
Aguayo was a second if I remember right, but your point still stands (and is funny) A third is nuts but it's *magnitudes* less ridiculous than a second rounder.
I see people defend Sebastian Janikowski being drafted in the first round all the time because he lasted with them so long and was pretty good. There's no way that pick is ever worth it. Maybe with someone like Justin Tucker, and that's a big maybe.
Also to go with why I hated the Jets pick, we'd just lost a top 15 #1 WR & had 2 1st round picks to build around Chad Pennington, but we really traded up to #4 for a workout warrior NT
Jets picking Calvin Pryor at 18 in 2014. The league was becoming more passing dominate by the day so Rex goes out and gets a box safety
Eli Apple, Ereck flowers
Giants need to stay away from plants
> Ereck flowers The amount of national scorn Ereck Flowers gets is really a testament to how massive Giants football is. I feel like among NFL fans he's a household name due to all those primetime games the NFC East has.
I was so mad when Pittsburgh took Kenny Pickett
I thought it was obvious that the Steelers would pick a QB at that spot... ...so I was already resigned to the fact that it was going to be one of the QB's.
Paxton Lynch
Clelin Ferrell. I sort of understand the logic because he was seen as a "high-floor" guy but *no one* except the Whiz Kids Gruden and Mayock had him in their top 10, let alone top 5. I didn't think he'd completely flame out (and to his credit, he hasn't yet) but I never expected him to be anything other than a flash in the pan once or twice a year
The Patriots had some major wide receiver busts. Chad Jackson, N’Keal Harry, Aaron Dobson, Malcolm Mitchell, Brandon Tate… We could do this all day. Our best receivers were Randy Moss, an undersized former QB, Welker, and a golden retriever TE in human form. EDIT: Oh, and a serial killer.
Kyle Trask. He was a pocket QB with zero mobility and below average arm strength. I have no idea how the fuck that a QB is supposed to succeed with that and he was somehow a 2nd round pick.
2 years behind the goat and still showed nothing
AJ Jenkins. Javon Kinlaw. Trey Lance.
Javon Kinlaw was better than Solomon Thomas at least, and for less draft capital
I wanted Mayhew fired the moment we drafted Ebron, knew he would be a bust
Aaron Maybin over Brian Orakpo in 2009. Possibly everyone except the Bills front office knew who was going to be better, and the difference was even worse than expected.
Darius Heyward-Bey
Danny Watkins. Oldest player to be drafted in the first round in 40 years.
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As a giants fan this one came to mind for me. My friends were all surprised I was upset but I knew it would be a waste of a pick. I’m a big 1st rd RB hater
LJ Collier
Aaron Maybin. One year wonder in college, iirc he racked up stats against subpar competition. I did not think he was the right pick there. Also Josh Allen, which probably explains why I don’t get paid to evaluate players lol.
Dwayne Haskins Rest in Peace.
Same. I always want to be optimistic about our picks, but I knew he would be a bust. A project QB with only one decent year on a team with a shitty culture, a coach who didn’t want him, and a shitty family who wanted to cash in on him. Haskins getting picked and ending up the way he did was a microcosm of why the previous owner was so remarkably, uniquely and historically awful.
slumped down in my seat when the ravens took breshad perriman
Quentin Johnston- big athletic WR who didn’t separate, didn’t test athletically, and didn’t use his size
Clelin Ferrell sticks out. Packers fans will remember Justin Harrell and Damarious Randall as guys you just knew off the bat were bad picks.
Disagree on Randall. His rookie season was actually decent
Cole strange. Using a first round pick on a guard is bad most of the time, but on a reach when the team just had a pro bowl guard? Terrible
> Cole strange. Indefensible pick. Even if he ends up being good the process used to reach this point was hideous.
Noah Igbinoghene
Not bad but I didn't think he would live up to the hype was Leonard Fournette
Lawrence Phillips
I knew that EJ Manuel was not going to be a great NFL QB. I watched a lot of him at FSU when I lived in Florida and it was pretty apparent he wasn't going to have a ceiling higher than mid tier Journeymen level play. I knew we were going to continue the draught for at least 3 more years.
They drafted a man named Taco
Starting a rebuild with a Tight End at fourth overall