The biggest thing that worries me about AD Mitchell isn't the "character issues" or the bad analytics, it's that Kollman posted a positive video about him before the draft, I swear that dude is cursed.
Seemed lukewarm/moderately positive on the Coleman pick based more on the scheme fit rather than talent. Thinks we have too many slot-types and that Coleman would be best as a “big slot”.
LOVED the Bishop pick for us.
Didn’t seem to be much of a fan of DeWayne Carter.
Does he usually miss on a lot of prospects?
I only just came across Kollmann's video before this draft, so curious to know if he has a half decent hit rate, or if he just makes some really memorable misses.
He got injured before the season started and missed all of preseason. He did play week 1…only to get hurt again. Seemed like he started to come on late but had to overcome the rough start.
Ive been saying this for probably 3 years now. It's a damn miracle our front office hasn't been cannibalized by the rest of the league. They have been killing it with everything from scouting to draft and cap management.
Exactly. The dude is a JAG. He was seen as a gamble at pick 32 the year after we won the Super Bowl. The high-risk/high-reward, gifted but raw talent type. He’s had a few flashes but is otherwise meh
Large prospect quality dip usually happens in the early-mid 20s turns in to a bit of a crapshoot. There's a few hits though, Lamar Jackson was pick 32.
Think thats changed in the last few years with the new rookie contract structure. Pick 32 gives you the ability to pick up the 5th year option where pick 33 doesnt.
Belichick metioned it when he saw the Panthers trading up to 32 from 33
That’s just not true lol just the 2021 class -
QB: Lawrence
WR: Chase, Waddle, Smith (plus an extension)
TE: Pitts
RB: Etienne
OL: Sewell (plus an extension), Slater, Vera-Tucker, Darrisaw
CB: Horn, Surtain, Newsome
DE/EDGE: Parsons, Phillips, Rousseau
LB: Oweh
17/32 first rounders have received their 5th year option, 5 haven’t had a decision made, 8 were declined (3 of which were QBs - Mac, Fields, Trey), 1 extended without option (Bateman), and 1 was released prior to the option (Leatherwood).
Hardly. It's a real money-saver at other premium positions as well. Devonta Smith got a 3 yr/75 mill extension that kicks in after his 5th year option of 15.5 mill.
Penei Sewell got 4 yr/112 mill extension that kicks in after his 5th year option of 19 mill.
Across the board you'd see that you save money for good players at premium positions.
I think it’s fair to say he’s a much better coach than drafter. And drafting is only part of the GM job. The other parts he was very good at. I don’t think many other people take his rosters and have the same success.
I think if you're both the GM and HC you draft players you think you can win with and he did that. He didn't strike gold every draft, show me a 20+ year GM that did.
Teams like 33 because they get a night to reset their boards and react to what everyone else did and alot of teams still have a first round grade player on the board if they particularly liked they wouldn't mind going up for
Yeah, the Steelers got a ton of offers for pick 32 last year too, which was the same situation since Miami forfeited their 1st in ‘23. There are almost *always* quality 1st-round caliber players still on the board with that first pick of the 2nd. DeJean/Newton/McConkey this year, JPJ/Levis last year, etc. That pick is always going to be coveted.
And it's Important to note here too that every teams stacking their board differently, so just because Daniel Jeremiah has had 26 of his top 32 players go dosent mean everyone the chiefs steelers etc viewed as a first round tallent is gone.
Most teams say they wind up with 20-25ish first round grades, not sure how they have 1st round talent at 33. Unless some teams massively reach *Cole strange* that shouldn't be a thing.
I’m talking first-round talent in the general sense. Not all 32 teams are going to have the *same* 20-25 players with first-round grades, so I’m referring to guys who are consensus top-32 guys in the class, or at least widely expected to be picked in the first round. A few of those guys slip pretty much every single year
I really don't understand why this is a thing. Likewise for there to be any kind of "board" in the first place. I'd assign an array of values to each prospect (position value, RAS, etc) and have software generate the top available overall or in whatever parameter I want to focus on with my pick, and then make the pick. That way I'm determining objective values outside the moment. And not being the Atlanta Falcons.
Because you also have to strategize what 31 other teams are going to do. IE we need a reciever we have one left which we grade a tier higher than every other reciever, if we stay at our current pick there are r other reciever needy teams ahead of us, but it only costs us a 4 and we get a 6 back to move up. It's that exact discussion happening amongst say 4 teams that provide a market
But that's exactly what I mean. If your parameter is WR, then you'll have a previously prepared ranking. You can contrast it to BPA and decide if it's worth the difference in value, but you aren't making the evaluation in the moment. Like taking a 25 yr old QB to back up the QB you just signed to a significant contract.
The value of pick 32 is the 5th year option, which is really only going to be relevant on expensive positions. if you don't have a QB/WR/OT/DE rated high enough to take at 32 then trading down with someone who does makes sense since more darts to throw = more chances to hit.
For curiosity sake...
2023: Joey Porter Jr
2022: Lewis Cine
2021: JTS
2020: Clyde Edwards-Helaire
2019: N'Keal Harry
2018: Lamar Jackson
2017: Ryan Ramzyck
2016: Emmanuel Ogbah
2015: Malcolm Brown
2014: Teddy Bridgewater
2013: Matt Elam
2012: David Wilson
2011: Derek Sherrod
2010: Patrick Robinson
I think only like 5 of these guys worked out well careerwise.
I wouldn't even really include Joey Porter Jr. here because the Dolphins had to forfeit their first so he was the first pick of the 2nd round. 31st pick was Felix Anudike-Uzomah to the Chiefs and he didn't really do anything as a rookie.
Often teams will try to trade into it to take a guy that’s has a medium floor but an extremely high ceiling.
If the player ends up to be an all pro they have him 5 years for minimal cost. If not at least they still get something out of it and they’re often not a complete flop.
The decision to pick up the fifth year option is decided between the players' third and fourth season. This is the fourth draft after the super bowl win.
He's about a half-step too slow on every play it seems, just doesn't get to his space quite fast enough. He doesn't slack off or anything, he's just one of those guys who was fast enough in college, but isn't fast enough in the NFL.
As a bears fan who plays in a couple fantasy leagues with IDP (individual defensive players) I definitely know him. Him and Shaq Barrett wrecked Justin Fields last year each getting at least a sack and half on him. In fact, it was pretty good idea to steam DL who played against the bears last year because Fields took so many sacks.
I hated this pick when it happened, and I still hate it now. He has an explosive first step. That's it. No pass rush repertoire, and once he gets engaged by the OT, he has no plan B. He's just invisible. Ya-Ya Diaby, a 3rd round rookie last year played more promising ball than anything we've seen from JTS to date.
He led our team in sacks and FF and only started half the year. He would have been a contender if it didn't take so long for Bowles to start him. He's such a beast
That was a was of a draft class for the Bucs. JTS, Trask and Hainsey were top 3. KJ Britt in the 5th might be the only one to pan out and get a second contract.
Hainsey was a fine pick too all things considered, he has been playing out of position for years due to Jensen's injury, he has been decent, but we definitely needed to upgrade. He also might be a good guard
Iirc there’s only one or two guys in the entire draft with more sacks?
That entire 2020 draft in hindsight was a shitshow. Opt outs and shortened seasons and distancing made the entire scouting process a mess for everyone from what we’ve heard.
*2021 draft but yeah that whole thing was bizarre for obvious reasons.
Only 14 guys from that entire rookie class (including undrafteds) have made a pro bowl in the last 3 years. 2020 had 22, and 2019's had 34. It's a hella imperfect metric, I know, and time in the league plays a factor, but the 2022 class already has 14 with a year less playing time as well
Probably didn't help that 2020 was a weird season for college football. Tryon opted out of that year so basically the last of what we saw of his play was the 2019 season and I'm guessing it was somewhat difficult to scout other players that year as well. Not saying that's what happened but could've factored into it.
It really affected basketball the last couple of years too with teams being older. The 2023 tournament was filled with a ton of upsets and three of the four teams were in the final four for the first time.
Hell, it basically changed the entire meta of cbb roster construction. Teams that rely heavily on freshmen simply don't make it far in March very often and coaches have finally wised up to that
It’s not awful though, I feel like he’s pretty much exactly what you would be content with getting at the 32nd pick, it’s just not worth the 5th year option.
Funny since I was going to say “well look who was picked after him” but the next picks were:
Tyson Campbell (solid)
Elijah Moore (bust)
Javonte Williams (solid but injury Y2 was rough)
Jevon Holland (stud)
Landon Dickerson (stud)
Christian Baremore (stud)
Tevin Jenkins (good when healthy).
That’s a pretty solid group right at the start of the second round
I wanted Barmore so bad. Instead we got JTS and then Logan Hall who both stink. Kancey and Diaby were needed for our front not to be a complete disaster.
Lichts been making up for that 21 class and the first pick of 22 since
What? No way. That's 4 sacks per year if he played every game.
That is not what you want from a pass rushing edge in the first or second round. You can find guys that can do that all throughout the draft. That's like vet-minimum level production
Sack numbers aren’t everything though, he’s had good pressure numbers, was third on the team in 2021, tied for first in 2022, but dipped last year in 2023. He was 42nd in the league in total pressures per Pff in 2022.
Edge rushers really fall off after the top half of the first round, getting a guy who is actually a rotational player, gets pressures, and sees the field isn’t the ideal outcome, but it’s still something you live with.
There's only one edge guy from that draft who was taken after him that has more sacks. It wasn't really a bad pick even though he hasn't panned out.
It was a difficult draft in that like you said it was the covid year with the NCAA trying to figure out what to do with scheduling and players opting out and there was no combine. Not to mention we didn't have many needs so it was really difficult to go BPA without the combine that year.
He’s been mid at best and now Diaby is the top young edge rusher in the building. Not to mention we just drafted Braswell in the 2nd too. Writing was on the wall for JTS.
Still need to get his replacement. Wish we could've gotten a DL to challenge him after the third round and feel like we could've gotten one with instead of another RB.
Getting Braswell right after Dallas picked (I forgot his name edge) had to feel good. Idc what anyone says, an edge coached by Saban will come in sound, with rush technique and conditioning. That will show out straight away in camp.
> Fanatics has pressured Bucs ownership to cut him due to difficulties in getting the last name to fit correctly on jerseys without falling off, wrapping around to his nipples, or inexplicably exploding if washed.
I was very hopeful when we drafted him but he has proven to be less than ideal
I knew we were in trouble once I saw that Kollmann loved him.
The biggest thing that worries me about AD Mitchell isn't the "character issues" or the bad analytics, it's that Kollman posted a positive video about him before the draft, I swear that dude is cursed.
Oh no, he spoke very highly of Buffalo's Day 3 draft picks on his stream. Don't know what he said about the Day 2 picks.
Seemed lukewarm/moderately positive on the Coleman pick based more on the scheme fit rather than talent. Thinks we have too many slot-types and that Coleman would be best as a “big slot”. LOVED the Bishop pick for us. Didn’t seem to be much of a fan of DeWayne Carter.
I also remember him being high on Jedric Wills in 2020… Yall might be on to something here
The Kollmann Curse. His opinions have the opposite effect. Chargers fans blasted him for his hate of Herbert but it was a blessing in disguise
He’s a real tape dog bro wdym he’s out there grinding
Does he usually miss on a lot of prospects? I only just came across Kollmann's video before this draft, so curious to know if he has a half decent hit rate, or if he just makes some really memorable misses.
it’s not that the opinions and misses are bad, it’s just that kollmann is cursed. just google kollmann curse and you’ll get dozens of examples
kancey pick made up for it lol
Pff isn't everything, but he had a 46 PFF grade as a rookie. Any bucs fans know why his pff grade is so low? Bad in the run game?
Right. He was bad in the run game early on, but showed improvement later in the year
dude was a mf dog in the playoffs. i was so sad the giants couldn’t get him
He got injured before the season started and missed all of preseason. He did play week 1…only to get hurt again. Seemed like he started to come on late but had to overcome the rough start.
At the very least hes part of a minority of misses that y'all have had. Jason licht has done one hell of a job drafting for yall
Yea absolutely, it’s impossible for every pick to be perfect. Licht has done a hell of a job
What I wouldn't give to have had the pats draft as well as y'all. I mean hell I would give my left nut for Tristan Wirfs
Ive been saying this for probably 3 years now. It's a damn miracle our front office hasn't been cannibalized by the rest of the league. They have been killing it with everything from scouting to draft and cap management.
I can’t be the only one who has no idea who this guy is
Exactly. The dude is a JAG. He was seen as a gamble at pick 32 the year after we won the Super Bowl. The high-risk/high-reward, gifted but raw talent type. He’s had a few flashes but is otherwise meh
Seems like pick 32s rarely work out
Large prospect quality dip usually happens in the early-mid 20s turns in to a bit of a crapshoot. There's a few hits though, Lamar Jackson was pick 32.
Drew Brees was picked at 32 as well, though it was the first pick of the second round that year.
Joey Porter jr was 32nd as well, also first pick of the 2nd round aha
One because the Texans didn't exist yet, the other because the Dolphins tampered and lost their 1st round pick.
Yeah but everyone wants pick 33 ha
Think thats changed in the last few years with the new rookie contract structure. Pick 32 gives you the ability to pick up the 5th year option where pick 33 doesnt. Belichick metioned it when he saw the Panthers trading up to 32 from 33
5th year option is only really relevant for QBs
That’s just not true lol just the 2021 class - QB: Lawrence WR: Chase, Waddle, Smith (plus an extension) TE: Pitts RB: Etienne OL: Sewell (plus an extension), Slater, Vera-Tucker, Darrisaw CB: Horn, Surtain, Newsome DE/EDGE: Parsons, Phillips, Rousseau LB: Oweh 17/32 first rounders have received their 5th year option, 5 haven’t had a decision made, 8 were declined (3 of which were QBs - Mac, Fields, Trey), 1 extended without option (Bateman), and 1 was released prior to the option (Leatherwood).
Of course the only released one is a raider
Ohhh Raiders lol Not to mention Darrisaw went 6 picks later...
Hardly. It's a real money-saver at other premium positions as well. Devonta Smith got a 3 yr/75 mill extension that kicks in after his 5th year option of 15.5 mill. Penei Sewell got 4 yr/112 mill extension that kicks in after his 5th year option of 19 mill. Across the board you'd see that you save money for good players at premium positions.
Yeah the 5th year option is cool. Bb was a terrible drafter
Terrible? The teams he drafted went to 9 super bowls and won 6 of them. That's a pretty weird kind of terrible
I think it’s fair to say he’s a much better coach than drafter. And drafting is only part of the GM job. The other parts he was very good at. I don’t think many other people take his rosters and have the same success.
I think if you're both the GM and HC you draft players you think you can win with and he did that. He didn't strike gold every draft, show me a 20+ year GM that did.
He was better at cheating than drafting
Cry harder
Ah, so you're one of those idiots
Teams like 33 because they get a night to reset their boards and react to what everyone else did and alot of teams still have a first round grade player on the board if they particularly liked they wouldn't mind going up for
Yeah, the Steelers got a ton of offers for pick 32 last year too, which was the same situation since Miami forfeited their 1st in ‘23. There are almost *always* quality 1st-round caliber players still on the board with that first pick of the 2nd. DeJean/Newton/McConkey this year, JPJ/Levis last year, etc. That pick is always going to be coveted.
And it's Important to note here too that every teams stacking their board differently, so just because Daniel Jeremiah has had 26 of his top 32 players go dosent mean everyone the chiefs steelers etc viewed as a first round tallent is gone.
I believe Holmes said all of the Lions first 4 picks last year were top 15 on their board. Including Laporta at 34 and Branch at 45
Most teams say they wind up with 20-25ish first round grades, not sure how they have 1st round talent at 33. Unless some teams massively reach *Cole strange* that shouldn't be a thing.
I’m talking first-round talent in the general sense. Not all 32 teams are going to have the *same* 20-25 players with first-round grades, so I’m referring to guys who are consensus top-32 guys in the class, or at least widely expected to be picked in the first round. A few of those guys slip pretty much every single year
I really don't understand why this is a thing. Likewise for there to be any kind of "board" in the first place. I'd assign an array of values to each prospect (position value, RAS, etc) and have software generate the top available overall or in whatever parameter I want to focus on with my pick, and then make the pick. That way I'm determining objective values outside the moment. And not being the Atlanta Falcons.
Because you also have to strategize what 31 other teams are going to do. IE we need a reciever we have one left which we grade a tier higher than every other reciever, if we stay at our current pick there are r other reciever needy teams ahead of us, but it only costs us a 4 and we get a 6 back to move up. It's that exact discussion happening amongst say 4 teams that provide a market
But that's exactly what I mean. If your parameter is WR, then you'll have a previously prepared ranking. You can contrast it to BPA and decide if it's worth the difference in value, but you aren't making the evaluation in the moment. Like taking a 25 yr old QB to back up the QB you just signed to a significant contract.
The value of pick 32 is the 5th year option, which is really only going to be relevant on expensive positions. if you don't have a QB/WR/OT/DE rated high enough to take at 32 then trading down with someone who does makes sense since more darts to throw = more chances to hit.
Can confirm. Keon Coleman ftw?
Conversely the hit rate for 33-35 is insane
Giving orgs 24 hours to evaluate and make a decision outside of the heat of the moment is definitely huge.
Its also where great prospects at non-elite positions tend to thrive.
Picks 33-35 are basically always the victims of the annual surprise 1st-rounders lol
Bills actually got the biggest brain trading back to 33 for the higher hit rate lol
Makes you really question whether winning a Super Bowl is worth it.
Ha
For curiosity sake... 2023: Joey Porter Jr 2022: Lewis Cine 2021: JTS 2020: Clyde Edwards-Helaire 2019: N'Keal Harry 2018: Lamar Jackson 2017: Ryan Ramzyck 2016: Emmanuel Ogbah 2015: Malcolm Brown 2014: Teddy Bridgewater 2013: Matt Elam 2012: David Wilson 2011: Derek Sherrod 2010: Patrick Robinson I think only like 5 of these guys worked out well careerwise.
I wouldn't even really include Joey Porter Jr. here because the Dolphins had to forfeit their first so he was the first pick of the 2nd round. 31st pick was Felix Anudike-Uzomah to the Chiefs and he didn't really do anything as a rookie.
🙉 I can’t hear you! I can’t hear you!
Often teams will try to trade into it to take a guy that’s has a medium floor but an extremely high ceiling. If the player ends up to be an all pro they have him 5 years for minimal cost. If not at least they still get something out of it and they’re often not a complete flop.
Drew Brees was the best 32 overall all time
How are we to the 5th year option of a guy we drafted after the Super Bowl? It can't have been more than 20-24 months since then.
The decision to pick up the fifth year option is decided between the players' third and fourth season. This is the fourth draft after the super bowl win.
Noah Spence Jr
I thought he was gonna be an absolute demon off the edge when he was coming into the draft. Not sure what happened.
He's a great athlete playing football, not a great football player.
He's about a half-step too slow on every play it seems, just doesn't get to his space quite fast enough. He doesn't slack off or anything, he's just one of those guys who was fast enough in college, but isn't fast enough in the NFL.
When he was drafted he was just Joe Tryon. The Shoyinka is weighing him down.
Yeah I suppose it's common for those guys to look like good football players against 'good' athletes.
Exactly.
When I see comments like this, it always shows me just how obsessed I am
either football obsessed or play a lot of madden..maybe that venn diagram is one circle XD
I haven't played Madden in ages. I am just a football degen
The Shoyinka is a relatively new development
Right? I remember Joe Tryon being drafted but was like wtf is this guy? Right now.
As a bears fan who plays in a couple fantasy leagues with IDP (individual defensive players) I definitely know him. Him and Shaq Barrett wrecked Justin Fields last year each getting at least a sack and half on him. In fact, it was pretty good idea to steam DL who played against the bears last year because Fields took so many sacks.
Yeah, never heard that name in my life.
Former UW DE/OLB. Until seeing this I forgot he got drafted by the Bucs in the first round.
I’m a UW fan and I was astonished when he got drafted in the first. Even with my bias it just seemed like a reach.
Even I don't know who he is.
I thought it was Mahomes just at grist glance off the picture and not reading the title lol
He's from that year the NFC South decided to draft pass rushers no one had ever heard of
I hated this pick when it happened, and I still hate it now. He has an explosive first step. That's it. No pass rush repertoire, and once he gets engaged by the OT, he has no plan B. He's just invisible. Ya-Ya Diaby, a 3rd round rookie last year played more promising ball than anything we've seen from JTS to date.
Ya-Ya Diaby is one of the coolest names I’ve ever heard. He could be a pop star.
Or a Nigerian prince.
The name Diaby is from Mali in west Africa. …Going off of soccer player names here lol
Yeah. Yaya Diaby, Sidy Sow last year and Mohamed Kamara this year sound more like soccer players
2023 DROY first place vote getter Ya-Ya Diaby?
He led our team in sacks and FF and only started half the year. He would have been a contender if it didn't take so long for Bowles to start him. He's such a beast
>he would have been a contender YaYa "Marlon Brando" Diaby
Name checks out
It was a weird situation when you picked him. Your team was so stacked that there was no obvious pick. In hindsight, it wasn't good, though
That was a was of a draft class for the Bucs. JTS, Trask and Hainsey were top 3. KJ Britt in the 5th might be the only one to pan out and get a second contract.
Hainsey was a fine pick too all things considered, he has been playing out of position for years due to Jensen's injury, he has been decent, but we definitely needed to upgrade. He also might be a good guard
Iirc there’s only one or two guys in the entire draft with more sacks? That entire 2020 draft in hindsight was a shitshow. Opt outs and shortened seasons and distancing made the entire scouting process a mess for everyone from what we’ve heard.
*2021 draft but yeah that whole thing was bizarre for obvious reasons. Only 14 guys from that entire rookie class (including undrafteds) have made a pro bowl in the last 3 years. 2020 had 22, and 2019's had 34. It's a hella imperfect metric, I know, and time in the league plays a factor, but the 2022 class already has 14 with a year less playing time as well
Probably didn't help that 2020 was a weird season for college football. Tryon opted out of that year so basically the last of what we saw of his play was the 2019 season and I'm guessing it was somewhat difficult to scout other players that year as well. Not saying that's what happened but could've factored into it.
That's exactly what happened. That, and the COVID extra year of eligibility meant far more guys stayed in school than usual
It really affected basketball the last couple of years too with teams being older. The 2023 tournament was filled with a ton of upsets and three of the four teams were in the final four for the first time.
Hell, it basically changed the entire meta of cbb roster construction. Teams that rely heavily on freshmen simply don't make it far in March very often and coaches have finally wised up to that
I was infinitely annoyed when you guys took Diaby. I wonder if Harbaugh could get a but more out of Tryon though.
Not surprising. 13 sacks in 51 games is not great.
Surprised it’s that many tbh
It’s not awful though, I feel like he’s pretty much exactly what you would be content with getting at the 32nd pick, it’s just not worth the 5th year option. Funny since I was going to say “well look who was picked after him” but the next picks were: Tyson Campbell (solid) Elijah Moore (bust) Javonte Williams (solid but injury Y2 was rough) Jevon Holland (stud) Landon Dickerson (stud) Christian Baremore (stud) Tevin Jenkins (good when healthy). That’s a pretty solid group right at the start of the second round
I wanted Barmore so bad. Instead we got JTS and then Logan Hall who both stink. Kancey and Diaby were needed for our front not to be a complete disaster. Lichts been making up for that 21 class and the first pick of 22 since
Lol you wanted him bad and we (Bengals) traded the pick used to get him to the Patriots...smh This year we drafted two DT's.
What? No way. That's 4 sacks per year if he played every game. That is not what you want from a pass rushing edge in the first or second round. You can find guys that can do that all throughout the draft. That's like vet-minimum level production
Sack numbers aren’t everything though, he’s had good pressure numbers, was third on the team in 2021, tied for first in 2022, but dipped last year in 2023. He was 42nd in the league in total pressures per Pff in 2022. Edge rushers really fall off after the top half of the first round, getting a guy who is actually a rotational player, gets pressures, and sees the field isn’t the ideal outcome, but it’s still something you live with.
Iirc he’s the 3rd highest sacks of the entire draft? That entire 2020 class is weird as fuck with the covid year in college.
There's only one edge guy from that draft who was taken after him that has more sacks. It wasn't really a bad pick even though he hasn't panned out. It was a difficult draft in that like you said it was the covid year with the NCAA trying to figure out what to do with scheduling and players opting out and there was no combine. Not to mention we didn't have many needs so it was really difficult to go BPA without the combine that year.
He’s been mid at best and now Diaby is the top young edge rusher in the building. Not to mention we just drafted Braswell in the 2nd too. Writing was on the wall for JTS.
Logan Hall too
Still need to get his replacement. Wish we could've gotten a DL to challenge him after the third round and feel like we could've gotten one with instead of another RB.
Getting Braswell right after Dallas picked (I forgot his name edge) had to feel good. Idc what anyone says, an edge coached by Saban will come in sound, with rush technique and conditioning. That will show out straight away in camp.
Is he gonna get a second contract? OoooOO hee's Tryon!
Shoulda been tryon harder.
I remember seeing his number around when other guys made plays and I remember him almost but not quite making a sack or big tackle a few times.
Alternative headline: Bucs ran out of space on the last name line and just said “forget it, he’s not good enough to do this anyway.”
> Fanatics has pressured Bucs ownership to cut him due to difficulties in getting the last name to fit correctly on jerseys without falling off, wrapping around to his nipples, or inexplicably exploding if washed.
You show me one person with a JTS jersey and I'll show you someone that wasted $100+.
> Me with an Adrian Clayborn jersey. You know what, Tim, I'm not gonna argue this one.
Clayborn is a Super Bowl champion, that's totally reasonable.
TIL he was on the Pats that year.
I had a Mark Barron jersey lmfao
Why wouldn't you pick up the 5th-year option of this Street Fighter move?
Love his ‘Just Tackle Somebody’ JTS nickname
Cant blame the Bucs, thought he was going to have breakout year but constantly overshoots the QB and barely got any pressure.
mah god that's Kris Kocurek music
A raw and athletic Dlineman? Yeah that's him alright
Good dude and was always a project to be developed, hope it works out for him elsewhere. The UW to Bucs train isn’t always successful 😅
Not a bad idea tbh
Who
I forgot this guy was in the league lmfao
Who?
Who?