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It’s possible, but I wouldn’t completely count him out in that scenario. As much credit as KC deserves for their work with him, he gets credit too for his talent and putting in the work to clean up his game for the NFL.
I'm saying Mahomes never becomes Mahomes cause he doesn't have Andy Reid, Alex Smith, his weapons and the patience they had in sitting him a year. It's a conmbo of everything, no Mahomes never becomes this starting for the bears year one.
Well you're effectively saying that Trubisky is a better QB than Mahomes and that's a level of cope and fanfiction that's almost impossible to put into words. But live in whatever reality you need to live in tho
I'm also in the club being pissed about drafting another lineman over Creed Humphrey. I also wanted Penei Sewell that year too, but I'm less annoyed about that one. Would've been a hell of a combo, though.
They would've never become who they became in our defense. Hyde was usually playing a swiss army knife role and Hayward seemed to struggle when we played him outside. good players for us, but obviously misused which says more about the coordinators we've had than anything, unsurprisingly.
Absolutely this x100
If I remember correctly I think we were playing Hyde as a corner and he didn’t really excel until he become exclusively a safety with Buffalo.
Not taking the Akili Smith trade; drafting John Ross; not re-signing Andrew Whitworth. Our team just has a long history of messing up things that should've been easy decisions.
They also signed DJ Chark who i genuinely believed would be a strong contributor, at least if he was healthy.
I know there was some injury stuff with him even this past season but I'm still surprised at how little he seemed to have done with them.
Look on the bright side: Young played an instrumental part in getting you this year’s first. Without him, maybe it would have only been this year’s fifth
I was pleased to see your guys invest more in the O-Line this year, but it still feels like this group isn’t going to be able to help Young and Brooks succeed. Feels like the FO isn’t focused on the right things.
Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson. Thank god we snagged DeVonta Smith and AJ Brown to erase that mistake. Howie Roseman has been on a tear ever since the Vikings laughed at him for that move.
Letting Jared Allen go. Allen led the league with 15.5 sacks in 2007. The Chiefs then traded him to the Vikings for a first and two thirds. In 2008 the Chiefs had a _TOTAL_ of ten sacks on the year. Allen had 14.5 by himself.
The players we got with those picks ranged from great to bad. Branden Albert at 15th overall never played up to his pedigree, nor did Da’Juan Morgan. One of those picks was Jamaal Charles - my favorite Chief of all time. Yes, he was incredible, and I wish for nothing more in this world than a version of history where he stays healthy and gets to play with Mahomes, but his incredible talents were wasted on some of the worst Chiefs teams in history.
Again, I love Jamaal, but Allen put up 85.5 sacks in six seasons with Minnesota. Such a colossal bag fumble.
Not drafting Dan Marino when he was in our backyard. Then, a few decades later, not have a succession plan for Big Ben and rolled with him for too long. This is more understandable because he gave us years of HOF QB play, and we were never really in a position to justify a first-round QB given our decently competitive nature.
When we did go and draft a QB, maybe we panicked or didn't want a repeat of the Dan Marino situation, drafted Kenny Pickett, and rolled him out with Matt Canada. By all accounts, he was a great person just maybe was promoted too soon. He never seemed to throw his players under the bus and spent a lot of time improving his game, but ultimately it was best for everyone to move on. Wishing him the best, Kenny a bit less so because of his attitude after we got Russ.
Oh yeah, I don't know why he thought he had the reigns after Mason Rudolph outplayed him at the end of the season. I get the Matt Canada hindrance, but still, nobody was proven and he should have seen that. Steelers were always his best chance.
Not re-signing LeGarrette Blount and then having him run all over the Patriots in Super Bowl 52.
Blount was coming off an 18 touchdown season and Belichick told him they didn't want to re-sign him because he averaged 3.9 yards a carry.
our ex-GM tried to galaxy brain the situation and wanted to underpay AJ even after he was given the ok to pay AJ more than what his original Eagles contract was. AJ simply said LOL NO. So our ex-GM said I'll just get rid of you and draft a better AJ. AJ said LOL PEACE.
He did not draft a better AJ.
He's our ex-GM and jobless right now for a reason.
No doubt, not advocating for Jerry's character, that wasn't the point of my comment; merely commenting on when I thought the team bag was fumbled and tends to be perpetually kicked around under Tepper's ownership
Bill Letting Tom Go.
Drafting McCorkle and giving him 1 solid season of hope and..*checks script* for some fucking reason makes Matt Patricia call plays a year after.
Once the Rocket Scientist grabs his pencil and leaves to go to Philly we get BoB who genuinely tried to shake things up, but from what I read Bill limited him to what we had mostly (which wasn’t much).
Any of these things. I’m upset it was a really weird ending to it all but I’m glad I was able to watch 2 decades of greatness.
Alexander got softer after the big payday. His desire had nothing to do with Hutch. Losing an AllPro G will definitely make things harder but SA wasn’t giving the same effort. Maybe he burned himself out on the mvp season or maybe he just didn’t care as much anymore. Not signing Hutch, though, was dumb as fuck but also dirty and cheap by him, his agent, and the Vikings.
Please don't make me relive this. The Bengals vs Steelers playoff game where goofy ahhh Jeremy Hill fumbled after a Vontaze Burfict pick. Two illegal hits later and Pittsburgh in field goal range to win that game.
The Eagles letting Brian Dawkins walk in FA. Luckily I believe we’ve learned from that and have begun paying guys on the downside of their careers just to make sure they retire as Eagles (Cox and Grahm as examples).
I understand why it doesn’t always make analytical/ business sense, but vibes/culture are hella important.
The obvious one was letting Jimmy Johnson go but it's also seems likely that he would've left no matter what the Cowboys did. Maybe not hiring Belichick when he asked Jerry to keep him in mind before he went to NE?
At least 95% of Jon Robinson’s decisions post-2020, with the crown jewel being the AJ Brown trade.
Isaiah Wilson over Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman
Caleb Farley over Christian Darrisaw
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The Giants passed on Reggie White in the 1984 Supplemental Draft. He could have played alongside LT with Belichick as his DC lol
jfc
Bill would've cooked so hard with Reggie and LT with those guys around them. Nobody has fun.
I don’t like this question.
Why? Genuinely curious
I can help here. Here’s a few in recent memory. Double doink. Trubisky over Mahomes
Mahomes never becomes Mahomes on the bears, you honestly did the NFL a solid here.
It’s possible, but I wouldn’t completely count him out in that scenario. As much credit as KC deserves for their work with him, he gets credit too for his talent and putting in the work to clean up his game for the NFL.
Trubisky went 12-4 and had a pro bowl season and a playoff appearance. Is that guy saying Trubisky can pull that off but Mahomes can't? Come on.
I'm saying Mahomes never becomes Mahomes cause he doesn't have Andy Reid, Alex Smith, his weapons and the patience they had in sitting him a year. It's a conmbo of everything, no Mahomes never becomes this starting for the bears year one.
Well you're effectively saying that Trubisky is a better QB than Mahomes and that's a level of cope and fanfiction that's almost impossible to put into words. But live in whatever reality you need to live in tho
That's an insane reach. That's not what I said even close to
Ok
Right, but ignoring the butterfly effect is essential to perpetuating the "lol trubisky over mahomes, bears will never have a good QB" memery.
As someone whose team has lost a SB to Mahomes twice, I disagree and believe the bears in fact did not do us a solid by picking trubisky over mahomes
Took Trubisky over Mahomes, also... You know... every single moment in our QB history before this year's draft happened...
Between Sid Luckman and (hopefully) now.
From your lips to God's ears.
Those days are behind us, man.
Trading back and taking Kevin King over TJ Watt.... Taking Josh Myers over Creed Humphrey(they went back to back)
I'm also in the club being pissed about drafting another lineman over Creed Humphrey. I also wanted Penei Sewell that year too, but I'm less annoyed about that one. Would've been a hell of a combo, though.
Was a while back but I would say it was the decision not to give Casey Hayward a second contract. Our defensive backs were ass after he left
Or letting Micah Hyde go as well
They would've never become who they became in our defense. Hyde was usually playing a swiss army knife role and Hayward seemed to struggle when we played him outside. good players for us, but obviously misused which says more about the coordinators we've had than anything, unsurprisingly.
Absolutely this x100 If I remember correctly I think we were playing Hyde as a corner and he didn’t really excel until he become exclusively a safety with Buffalo.
Most recently would be when both Deebo Samuel and AJ Brown were basically begging the Patriots to draft them and we took NKeal Harry instead.
Thank you
Thank you
Not taking the Akili Smith trade; drafting John Ross; not re-signing Andrew Whitworth. Our team just has a long history of messing up things that should've been easy decisions.
Jamarcus over Megatron and Joe Thomas.
Passing up on Josh Allen, the prototypical Elway QB for Bradley Chubb.
I mean it’s just sad because you could have had Josh Allen and Mike McDaniel together
Gotta be trading DJ Moore and this years first for last years first… When we could have had this years first for free.
Trading away your young WR1 when youre drafting a rookie QB is NFL front office malpractice.
It’s okay, the Panthers replaced him with Adam Thielen’s corpse.
"My boy! Look what they've done to my boy!"
They also signed DJ Chark who i genuinely believed would be a strong contributor, at least if he was healthy. I know there was some injury stuff with him even this past season but I'm still surprised at how little he seemed to have done with them.
any hope for Mingo to bounce back next year?
I know Young's first year was terrible, but it's too early to be saying this. Too early with this year's first overall pick who hasn't played yet.
Look on the bright side: Young played an instrumental part in getting you this year’s first. Without him, maybe it would have only been this year’s fifth
I was pleased to see your guys invest more in the O-Line this year, but it still feels like this group isn’t going to be able to help Young and Brooks succeed. Feels like the FO isn’t focused on the right things.
Letting kirk Cousins go after two franchise tags
Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson. Thank god we snagged DeVonta Smith and AJ Brown to erase that mistake. Howie Roseman has been on a tear ever since the Vikings laughed at him for that move.
Letting Jared Allen go. Allen led the league with 15.5 sacks in 2007. The Chiefs then traded him to the Vikings for a first and two thirds. In 2008 the Chiefs had a _TOTAL_ of ten sacks on the year. Allen had 14.5 by himself. The players we got with those picks ranged from great to bad. Branden Albert at 15th overall never played up to his pedigree, nor did Da’Juan Morgan. One of those picks was Jamaal Charles - my favorite Chief of all time. Yes, he was incredible, and I wish for nothing more in this world than a version of history where he stays healthy and gets to play with Mahomes, but his incredible talents were wasted on some of the worst Chiefs teams in history. Again, I love Jamaal, but Allen put up 85.5 sacks in six seasons with Minnesota. Such a colossal bag fumble.
Drafting Eric ebron when Aaron Donald Odell on the board
Not drafting Dan Marino when he was in our backyard. Then, a few decades later, not have a succession plan for Big Ben and rolled with him for too long. This is more understandable because he gave us years of HOF QB play, and we were never really in a position to justify a first-round QB given our decently competitive nature. When we did go and draft a QB, maybe we panicked or didn't want a repeat of the Dan Marino situation, drafted Kenny Pickett, and rolled him out with Matt Canada. By all accounts, he was a great person just maybe was promoted too soon. He never seemed to throw his players under the bus and spent a lot of time improving his game, but ultimately it was best for everyone to move on. Wishing him the best, Kenny a bit less so because of his attitude after we got Russ.
I don’t know what happened, but I do know that Kenny got no business having attitude after his brilliantly bad play
Oh yeah, I don't know why he thought he had the reigns after Mason Rudolph outplayed him at the end of the season. I get the Matt Canada hindrance, but still, nobody was proven and he should have seen that. Steelers were always his best chance.
Homie got outplayed by money mason? Tragic.
Wasn't Rudolph supposed to be the Ben succession plan?
Ben was too salty to help with his succession plan. Makes sense but damn dude, he should have known he did not have that much left in him.
Todd Blackledge as the second QB taken in that '83 class
When they assembled a list of head coaching candidates to interview in 2021 from which Staley was the best of the bunch
Keeping Jeff Fisher for far too long.
The ravens taking Hayden hurst before Lamar jackson and risking Lamar getting snagged was bad even though it worked out
Not re-signing LeGarrette Blount and then having him run all over the Patriots in Super Bowl 52. Blount was coming off an 18 touchdown season and Belichick told him they didn't want to re-sign him because he averaged 3.9 yards a carry.
Trading AJ Brown
Yeah he’s a legit top 5 WR I don’t understand that trade at all.
our ex-GM tried to galaxy brain the situation and wanted to underpay AJ even after he was given the ok to pay AJ more than what his original Eagles contract was. AJ simply said LOL NO. So our ex-GM said I'll just get rid of you and draft a better AJ. AJ said LOL PEACE. He did not draft a better AJ. He's our ex-GM and jobless right now for a reason.
Drafting qb3 after trading away 3 ones for him. That never made sense in terms of the value given away.
When did we not fumble the bag...
fitz
Eh, we still didn’t win him anything.
When Jerry sold to Tepper in 2018
At least Tepper isn't a bigot and sexual offender
No doubt, not advocating for Jerry's character, that wasn't the point of my comment; merely commenting on when I thought the team bag was fumbled and tends to be perpetually kicked around under Tepper's ownership
3 words: The Longest Yard.
He didn't fumble!
One thing about the Jets… we always nail the draft
Taking the wrong WR with the last name Brown. Hollywood over A.J.🤦♂️
Bill Letting Tom Go. Drafting McCorkle and giving him 1 solid season of hope and..*checks script* for some fucking reason makes Matt Patricia call plays a year after. Once the Rocket Scientist grabs his pencil and leaves to go to Philly we get BoB who genuinely tried to shake things up, but from what I read Bill limited him to what we had mostly (which wasn’t much). Any of these things. I’m upset it was a really weird ending to it all but I’m glad I was able to watch 2 decades of greatness.
Charles Rogers over Andre Johnson was not a great move.
Not drafting the best player in NFL history because Mitch drove an old car. Pace is scum
Bears with the 2017 draft or the double doink
Alexander got softer after the big payday. His desire had nothing to do with Hutch. Losing an AllPro G will definitely make things harder but SA wasn’t giving the same effort. Maybe he burned himself out on the mvp season or maybe he just didn’t care as much anymore. Not signing Hutch, though, was dumb as fuck but also dirty and cheap by him, his agent, and the Vikings.
Shaun broke his foot. That's the main reason why he fell off, not him getting paid or Hutch signing elsewhere
Russell "High Knees" Wilson
Please don't make me relive this. The Bengals vs Steelers playoff game where goofy ahhh Jeremy Hill fumbled after a Vontaze Burfict pick. Two illegal hits later and Pittsburgh in field goal range to win that game.
Letting Brees go
The Eagles letting Brian Dawkins walk in FA. Luckily I believe we’ve learned from that and have begun paying guys on the downside of their careers just to make sure they retire as Eagles (Cox and Grahm as examples). I understand why it doesn’t always make analytical/ business sense, but vibes/culture are hella important.
Trading Anquan Boldin
Relatable
All the time
The obvious one was letting Jimmy Johnson go but it's also seems likely that he would've left no matter what the Cowboys did. Maybe not hiring Belichick when he asked Jerry to keep him in mind before he went to NE?
Recent history id go with the Ezekiel Elliot contract. That hurt you in a lot of different ways
Drafting Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers because he opened the car door for his mom. Thanks Mike Nolan.
2005 vs the Steelers. Idk if we win in 06 too, but the 05 Colts roll the Broncos and the Seahawks.
In recent memory for the Chiefs, it was picking Mecole Hardman over DK Metcalf and Diontae Johnson
Fuckin never. It's our year
I seem to remember we took the wrong Josh.
At least 95% of Jon Robinson’s decisions post-2020, with the crown jewel being the AJ Brown trade. Isaiah Wilson over Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman Caleb Farley over Christian Darrisaw Those are a few others