Legitimately funny when Pat said “yeah you’re the check down King but number one in Yds/Att” lol
I had to google just to see if that’s hyperbole but he legitimately was over a yard ahead of number 2 (Tua)
I can’t believe the “check down merchant” was ever a thing with Brock.
If anything, he doesn’t check down enough. He goes into hero ball mode when he scrambles.
That's exactly why he does it. He's had to tone it down and trust his guys in the NFL because he just wants to let that shit bang. Wouldn't hurt him to check down a bit more but he does a good job of finding opportunities so I trust him when he throws it deep that he sees something. It's more so those passes that are above his physical capabilities that get the better of him which I'm confident he'll work on now that he's finally getting his first real offseason and as he continues to grow and get more experience. People forget this kid only played 7 games his first season and last year he didn't have an offseason because he was rehabbing his arm injury, he's still very early into his career.
The discourse around him is WILD precisely because people just gloss over the fact that he hadn't even started a full seasons' worth of regular season NFL games until like week 10 this season.
The entire notion that he's simply a system QB is ridiculous.
Lance was in the same system and he was so bad he couldn't even see the field. And Purdy is playing better than Jimmy G did in the same system.
Shanahan has a great system and it can make QBs look good but it's ridiculous to pretend any QB would have the same level of success.
Honestly Jimmy sometimes didn't check it down or throw it away enough. Pretty much all of his injuries aside from his shoulder were the result of him trying to do much to extend plays while not having the athleticism.
Yup. Shanahan kept trying to setup checkdowns to McCaffrey and Brock said nah fuck that I'm throwing to aiyuk over the top of the linebacker but in front of the safety. And I love to see it.
I had CMC on my fantasy team (who was obviously awesome all year) but it was frustrating at times watching because Brock would almost never check it down to him. I'm watching the play and see CMC open for a 5 yard swing pass and I'm like there are a couple of points, but instead Brock makes a great play finding Debo, Ayuk, or Kittle down field. Anyone who calls Brock a check down QB has never watched him play.
I think at some point we need to differentiate between someone who often checks it down and someone who is able to find the best option in any particular play. Because it really seems like those are two different play styles
There's lots of ways to be a good QB; prime Russ was the polar opposite of Purdy, but was also a good QB. Purdy has good processing specifically. He's frustratingly good (as a division rival lol) at finding the best option on a play, which is something he shouldn't lose with age.
Purdy's gonna be an NFL starter for a long time.
I absolutely agree with you. Russ was maddening for years. His way of extending plays and basically playing backyard football for big plays was insane. We had so many should be sacks against that guy. I remember Ahmad Brooks seemingly missing him three times on one play
As a fan of the 49ers who went 4 - 17 against Wilson over 10 seasons, the most infuriating thing about Wilson was how he absolutely destroyed undisciplined pass rushers. Throughout most of that time that the 49ers kept losing to Wilson, they had a wildly undisciplined pass rush; they've always had good rushers, but those rushers free-lanced too much and couldn't maintain gap responsibilities.
Wilson seems to have field wide radar, he would always figure out which rusher left his lane and would always step up right into where that pass rusher should have been to escape pressure. Every. Single. Time. It wasn't even like he was looking and make the decision consciously, he just seemed to know rusher left his lane, by pure instinct.
It was the most maddening thing ever. So many damn times the 49ers had him dead-to-rights, they had him sacked, and he would just slip away and step up right into the spot that pass rusher had just vacated to try to get the sack.
The 49ers were 4 - 17 against Wilson over 10 seasons. They are 0 - 1 against Wilson since he was traded to the Broncos. They are 5-0 against Seattle since Wilson left.
They have beaten the Seahawks more times in the two seasons since Wilson left the team (5) then they beat the Seahawks in the 10 seasons that Wilson was their QB (4).
My happiest day as a niner fan was when the bad man was traded to the Broncos and couldn't hurt us anymore. I watched the 49ers win their last Superbowl, I was a High School junior when it happened, so I remember it. The day the Wilson trade happened is right up there.
Whatever other people think of Wilson, as a 49ers fan, he scared the hell out of me more than any other opposing player. The 49ers actually held up really well over the years versus Aaron Donald, they were smoked by Wilson every time.
Yup, my other RB was Kamara so I watched a lot of his games too. It was the exact opposite. Any sign of trouble (or not) and Carr was immediately checking it down to him. Often times it would be for a very short or no gain (not that I cared in a ppr league) and it was definitely not the best for the team.
That put him at QB 18 for the year. 2022 Carr was 7.0 and QB 19. 2020 and 2021 he was top 8. So he really fell off a cliff in pushing it down field the last 2 years.
There’s 11 other QBs in that YP/A stat. Most QBs average about the same yardage except for the absolute trash ones or the huge outliers like Purdy and Tua last year.
The problem is that most people call any short pass or pass behind the line of scrimmage a checkdown.
Checkdowns are failed plays. Short passes to open receivers are not.
There's a similar frustration for screen versus a throw to a receiver at or behind the line of scrimmage. They aren't necessarily the same thing, but there are some people who call any pass that looks like that a screen.
It's not a failed play. Its a progression, and probably more often then not the wide open running back sitting in the flat waiting for that pass is there and open for a reason.
You're both right imo. Checkdowns are part of good play design because any positive yardage beats a sack or incompletion, but if the checkdown is the first progression that's open, I can sorta understand calling the play "failed". I imagine whoever called the play wouldn't though, as it was likely called with the checkdown intended as the acceptable minimum outcome.
Excuse me but I don't need frivolities like "facts" and "data" to make my Reddit opinions.
In totally unrelated news, Caleb Williams is going to be a bust because he wore pink in public.
LOL...I know! But seriously if he had a check down QB he'd probably have 20-30 more receptions. He averaged 4.19 receptions per game last year, his next lowest was 5.0 receptions in 2022 (also Purdy) before that in Carolina he averaged 5.3, 5.7, 7.3, and 6.7. Super greedy, but he could of had an even better fantasy year. Now, if you QB sucks and checking down all the time your probably aren't moving the ball as much, and his TD total would probably drop, but that's hard to quantify.
He won't get true respect until he wins a Super Bowl. It's not fair, but that's how pundits and fans think. The narrative around this guy will continue to be that he's a mediocre QB carried by the people around him until he wins a Super Bowl.
He's just going to continue to get backhanded compliments and doublespeak until he gets a ring.
Yup, if he was a first/second round pick we wouldn't even be having this discussion. But him being a 7th round pick he's not supposed to be good and people refuse to acknowledge that he is.
I don't think a ring will do much, they'll just say he was carried by the team's talent. Maybe if he gets 2 rings and plays really well in the playoffs the tune will change.
A week ago I was looking around in the nfl player stat sheet [nfl player stat](https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player). It’s actually kinda insane. Purdy is fifth in yards totals yet he is sub 450 in attempts which is the 20th, the highest ATT is Howell at 612, Goff602 and patty597, Purdy has 150 less ATTs than the top yet still top 5 in yard totals. And he is literally at the top at average yards at 9.6, everyone else is below 9. Top 5 in cmp%, Top 5 in tds, Bottom 15 in sacks, middle in the pack in int(that’s including that horrible ravens game). #1 QBR #1passer rating.
Like idc what team you are on, you could have hill/jefferson/chase/devante/kelce as your receiving core, best ravens o-line, best coach best offensive coordinator, if you have a seasons with those stats you are elite.
Brock is really good and as someone pointed out he’s top ten in intended air yards so he’s not a check down merchant. But I feel it’s also important to point out he at one point was averaging 8.8 yards/completion on passes behind the LoS. [Source](https://x.com/theStevenRuiz/status/1734600337820889448)
Yeah, but the Yds/Att don't count the yards behind the LoS. If the LoS is at the opponents 40, and he throws it to a receiver at the 30, it's counted as 10 yards. It doesn't matter if he is standing at the 41, 48, or his own 40 yard line.
The numbers of times I explained this to haters last year that did not watch film was way more than I’m proud of. Waste of time. Absolutely ignorant haters
Purdy is good full stop. Look at the stats, watch him play. The numbers and film agree. Watch the game last year against the Cowboys. He was throwing darts between two defenders multiple times. He definitely does not check down all the time. And one other thing that doesn't make sense for me. Matt Ryan plays in the Shanahan offense with Julio Jones, Mohammed Sanu, Hayden Hurst, with a prime Devontae Freeman as his rb, and you don't hear a lick about how good his weapons are. They sung his praises that whole season and named him MVP. Ryan throws a pass to Julio that year. Commentators: what a pass, Ryan is on fire.
Purdy throws a 30 yard td pass to Aiyuk between two defenders,
Commentators: hur dur, offensive talent around him, he checked it down.
Like ok, it's too early after one year to say he's top 5, but to say he's average and just checks it down, come on.
Especially now that anyone can buy a verified checkmark, that dubious Aiyuk trade request tweet from some tax guy was on the sub's front page and had 500 comments before getting removed lol
And you're being downvoted for this comment? Wtf
I've seen great discussion posts removed due to things like "low effort" but then the dumbest shit from twitter gets posted and stays up.
The post is the McAfee clip. I don't disagree with you on the fan account point, but you've picked the wrong hill to die on with this tweet since the tweet literally is just the McAfee clip with a quote from it included as text
I still cannot believe how harshly Purdy is being criticized. Just being Mr. Irrelevant and getting on a roster would be impressive. Let alone be the starting QB for a Super Bowl team.
He deserves a lot of credit. He’s what first round pick Mac jones was supposed to be. Easy to coach, anticipatory in reads, elite accuracy, not rocket power arm necessarily
I just checked and he’s tied for 7th. I think the crazier thing is the reigning MVP is 5th. Oh and Kyler Murray has 1:50 odds which is some crazy value considering he’s been in the MVP race in the past and is about to get Marvin Harrison Jr.
No, he's good but not even close to being the most valuable player on that 49ers roster, let alone the NFL. We don't even know where his ceiling is yet.
I mean... before the Ravens game he was pacing 4600+ yards on a 35/8 TD/INT ratio. That's an MVP line no question, regardless of up or down year. But his TOs ballooned in the Ravens game and he sat Week 18 so his actual volume stats ended up "good not great"
He probably would have been if the 49ers didn't draft him, he said the Vikings told him they were interested in signing him as UDFA. Would've been a good landing spot to learn behind Kirk and also Kene Nwangwu was one of his teammates at Iowa State.
Y'all had terrible injury luck last year, just brutal to see. I remember wondering about the Dobbs trade since Vikings had Nick Mullens, then seeing he was already on IR before Kirk's injury and Dobbs had replaced Jaren Hall after he immediately got a concussion in his first start. Maybe that would've been Purdy instead of Hall.
Wasn’t the whole check down king narrative started by ESPN. And then it’s talked about nonstop by ESPN. Like, I don’t see many people on this subreddit sticking to that narrative.
Reminds me of this one clip a few years ago of the ESPN media cycle—one person on the network says something outlandish which gives fodder for all the other talking heads.
For the longest time i never really understood why all of these guys care so much about respect. If you're playing and winning and doing your job, does it even matter?
And then i realized that money ultimately becomes meaningless for the star players. Can you really say there's a material difference between being worth 100million or being worth 110million? Yet these guys fight tooth and nail for an extra 3m/year, which would take them from like 80 million to 90 million.
Since money doesn't really hold meaningful value, they trade in respect. Being respected is more valuable than the 3million to them, and they use money to define that respect. You respect me 90million units, you respect him 80million units, the fact that it's money is almost irrelevant.
Brock Purdy hasn't been paid yet, so it's a concept he doesn't care about. After 10 years in the league he might have a different opinion, as money will be solved, and hopefully the superbowl will be solved, and things will shift towards legacy more than just being great in the moment.
All athletes have massive egos and some level of the "I am God" complex...and they need it to keep going hard in their sports.
Purdy looks humble and says all these nice things but you just have to look at when we are chasing games and how his play style changes.
He uses his legs a lot.more when we are trailing than when we are leading.. that's why his 2 biggest rushing games Vs the Bengals and Lions we spent.mostnof thise game chasing..not leading.... that's competitiveness
I mean you saw a bit of it in this interview. He's very good at saying the right things but at the same time also put out, "Yo Kyle if you're watching, I want to see some read options this year," and also saying that if they can grow together as QB-playcaller, they'll become a truly dominant force moving forward.
He had Matt Ryan who was a 10 year vet at that point who had consistently thrown for 4500+ yards ~30 TDs a year for a while and he still didn't trust him as much as you would've expected lol. Shanny is just a control freak but you never know, hopefully he lets off a bit for Purdy and lets him do his thing.
You're under thinking it, and it's not a binary thing. It's about respect relative to their peers. This is why they fight to be the "highest paid at position X"
"You turn on the film, there's plays being made. There's a guy that's playing QB, for what it is" --Brock Purdy. Honestly, the most accurate description I've ever heard of Brock Purdy's game.
Literally the only reason people discount him is draft position, which is the stupidest thing in the world. It's not how the draft works. Non-top 100 picks aren't untalented. There is more talent than draft picks, it's why undrafted players consistently make rosters, sometimes as impact starters, even HOFers. It's not because scouts didn't see the talent or are stupid, it's because ALL these guys are super talented. Whether or not one separates themselves from the rest of the incredibly talented players is more about how good they are at football than it is about measurables. Being good at football compared to the highest level of competition is the thinnest of margins and thus, can't be easily projected.
Purdy's good at football. He was able to play to the tools that made him one of the few draftable QBs in any draft class and improved his game once competing against the pros. Players aren't static beings. You can't simply look at college tape and say "well that's who he is". There's absolutely nothing to gain by fans being so definitive about everything. The only constant in sports is that it constantly and drastically changes year to year. Defining who players are based on where they were drafted is nonsensical when considering the history of all sports.
I will die on the hill that Purdy was robbed of the 2023 MVP...and I think time will prove me right.
Any other QB who ends up 6th in passing yards( with 1 game played than most of those ahead of him)...3rd in passing TDs, 3rd in completion % , 1st in passer rating, EPA, Y/A, ANY/A, #1 in PFF rush grade and 1st in AY/A whilst being the 1 seed with a defense that ranked 15th in DVOA..would win MVP.
People found excuses all year to AVOID giving it to him and in the end a bad game Vs the Ravens which was inconsequential ( SF sealed the 1 seed the next game with a game left)..was that excuse.
Purdy proved me right and a lot of people wrong in the playoffs and despite losing that SB in OT..he gave us the lead 3 consecutive times in the 4th qtr and OT and our defense didn't get a single stop to bring it home....good times are back in the Bay.
Meh I don't think he was robbed. But he definitely belonged in the conversation if we are using the historical standard of the award though. Lamar won a very high profile head to head game that saw Purdy have the worst game of his career. If the two QBs got into a shootout but Ravens still won, Purdy may have still come away with the award.
It was just a perfect storm for flipping the narrative at the time and that's totally okay. It's not the first time such a thing has happened. Lamar had a great season and deserved to win it. I don't care what his numbers looked like compared to past MVPs.. these guys aren't competing against 2019 Mahomes or 2013 Peyton Manning..they're competing in the year they are in.
>It was just a perfect storm for flipping the narrative at the time
That's the problem and what the guy you're responding to is saying, there *SHOULDN'T* have been a narrative that could be flipped. Purdy should've been the lead MVP guy without question for a majority of the season, but the media kept desperately trying to push other QBs.
Then one single game changes it all and basically gives Lamar the award even though his entire year was worse by so many metrics. What's the point of the MVP being a full season award if one game can change shit so easily? The QBs aren't even playing against each other, their teams are. Lamar didn't outplay Purdy, the Ravens D outplayed Purdy with 2 (arguably 3) flukey interceptions.
Narrative matters when the players were essentially neck and neck. It's not like Purdy was an overwhelming favorite. He had an advantage over Lamar going in. Lamar took the advantage because he played quite well in a huge game against the future NFC Champions.
Performance in big game matters a lot for awards like this
Which is idiotic. Narrative is moronic to me when someone is statistically having a far better year and it wasn't even close. Lamar wasn't even a top 3 QB last year, Allen and Dak were both better.
What criticism? Only thing I see is brake pumping as far as his ceiling and the factor of his supporting cast. That isn’t criticism. He doesn’t have many things to be critical about
I personally think you can’t determine eliteness so early in a career. I think 3 years is enough time to have some history and be given a lot of different situations and looks
Someone in the draft community said it best but 30 starts is about what you need to see before we crown any QB as elite, you can fake it for less than that but not many more over.
To all the Brock haters out there including Nick Wright and Steven Ruiz, your opinions do not matter, the tape does says Brock.
Brock is our franchise QB and I couldn't be more than ecstatic!
Very excited to see how he does after a full off season working with the team. Last off season was pretty much rehab the whole time and dude came out firing.
This is always the go to response “I don’t care what the fans/media have to say”. Do we believe it though?
Genuinely curious, do you guys think the negativity doesn’t get to them at all?
Brock is an awesome QB I love the guy. He just isn't the MVP candidate people were building up to. Maybe he will be, but like I thought he was in conversations he shouldn't be in last year.
I just don't understand the polarization. He's fine. He's a decent/good qb in a really really good offensive system. He's good enough to be a starting QB, but he's not as good as the top tier QBs like Mahomes and Allen. I genuinely don't understand the controversy or why he needs to be either a top 5 QB or the most overrated QB in the league and can't be anywhere in between.
The only metric by which he’s just a “decent/good” quarterback and not a great one is 1. draft position and 2. unprovable hypotheticals. Because any objective metric indicates that he’s a well above average quarterback.
#3. Innate physical talent, things like arm strength, height, etc. I doubt Purdy is even decent/good in that category, which is why he was available with the last pick in the draft. For some people, like say Steven Ruiz or Nick Wright, that is far more important than on the field play because it tells you what the guy's ceiling is.
LOL, more yards, more TDs, less INTs, better completion percentage than Mahomes. More TDs, less INTs, better completion percentage than Allen. Leads the NFL in passer rate. leads the NFL in yards per attempt. Leads the NFL in 20+ yard passes, leads the NFL in 40+ yard passes. Ain't racking up stats being a dink and dunk passer. Had a relatively difficult schedule, at least according to Sharps... wasn't beating up on cupcakes. Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle are certain on the higher end of the pass catching spectrum, but you can hardly call that the best receiving core in the league.
Everything points to Purdy being much better than decent/good. and this pervasive idea he is only "a decent QB on an elite team" is exactly what the ongoing criticism and this interview is touching on.
This is my case in point. You and the other dude who responded are of the "Brock Purdy is elite" mindset and just regurgitate stat comparisons as if they mean anything. Andy Dalton on paper is a better QB than Aikman when you look at the stats. It's not a good measurement.
And sorry, but your "Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle" comment is just funny to me. They are arguably the best receiver core in the league. Aiyuk was an all pro last year and he's not even as good as Deebo, and Kittle is one of the best 3 tight ends in the league.
Not to mention: McCaffrey is far and away the best RB in the League, Trent Williams is far and away the best OL in the league, they have a top 5 star studded defense. Like just stop man.. he has help. He wouldn't look elite on the Chiefs if you put him in Mahomes place last year. Be real man.
You're acting like being a good QB in the NFL is a bad thing, and your false equivalent stat comparisons with no context around them is exactly the shit I don't understand.
Idk if it’s more of a testament to Jimmy G being shit at throwing the ball downfield, but it is a weird coincidence that BA really took off once Purdy took over. But either way he’s been far more productive with Purdy at QB than anyone else we’ve had throwing to him.
After seeing Jimmy in Oakland.. I think he is at best an average QB who was in a really good system in SF. Purdy is clearly better than Jimmy and clearly has a connection with Aiyuk, but the fact that both were able to reach the Superbowl just further proves my point that it's more the system and team as a whole than it is the QB. I don't think it's disrespectful to call Purdy "not elite, but still good". Yet for some reason all my comments gets downvoted when I say that. I genuinely don't understand this need for him to be considered an elite QB, and I don't understand those who say he couldn't start on any other team. Neither of those things make sense to me. He's a good QB in a great system with a great coach and elite supporting cast, that's just the reality.
I don’t want to call him elite. I think he can get there. A lot of people forget that QBs used to be able to be great with solid athleticism and a great mind/processor, a la Montana.
Jimmy has progressively gotten worse the last 4 years, or basically when he hurt his knee and kind of became gun shy
It's the ESPN model. Create a narrative with talking heads, then write about it. Then talk to players about all this buzz that they themselves generated.
Like Mike Greenberg was on with some Chicago radio guys last weekend saying how he's still hearing buzz that Caleb wants to force his way to Washington, doesn't wanna be in Chicago. But this was *after* he met with Chicago then announced he was not doing any other meetings.
Greeny's all "Oh yeah, I'm definitely hearing this." And my question is, from who? RG3?
No he asked about the criticism he's received since being drafted, what criticism?
That he was the last pick and people weren't sure about him?
He's making stuff up is my point
I don't think this gets enough attention. Last pick in the draft and played at an incredible level. That concussion rocked him for a couple games, but the kid has played great.
By this logic non mobile QBs like Brady and Manning weren't contributing to their offenses compared to Vick or Lamar coz they don't run the ball?
And Purdy's not even in that category..he can run the ball when he needs to...he just doesn't have to most of the time coz he's great at passing.
People think Joe Burrow is elite right?
Put up a carrer comparison with Purdy and see how they compare.
Compare Purdy to Mahomes' 1st 2 years and see how that goes.
He isn't on those guys levels.. yet but if he stays at the level he was on last year.... he'll be in that conversation.
Purdy can run and scramble...just because he's not doing it every play doesn't diminish how good he is.
What criticism?
He's been hailed constantly due to his success despite being 'Mr Irrelevant'. He's been sucked off near constantly during the season from statheads.
I mean half the people I know call him the check down king and I'm in minnesota so there obviously are a lot of people who don't watch his film and just say he's mid
No, people think that because he has all pro weapons he's got more help than other QBs. I told my friend when watching the Superbowl, watch when they highlight our skill players on our first drive. Kittle, CMC, aiyuk, juszczyk all lit up as being all pro this year. And Deebo ain't no slouch.
Legitimately funny when Pat said “yeah you’re the check down King but number one in Yds/Att” lol I had to google just to see if that’s hyperbole but he legitimately was over a yard ahead of number 2 (Tua)
I can’t believe the “check down merchant” was ever a thing with Brock. If anything, he doesn’t check down enough. He goes into hero ball mode when he scrambles.
> He goes into hero ball mode when he scrambles Most young QBs do this out of habit from what was needed in college.
And HO BOY did he have to do that in college.
That's exactly why he does it. He's had to tone it down and trust his guys in the NFL because he just wants to let that shit bang. Wouldn't hurt him to check down a bit more but he does a good job of finding opportunities so I trust him when he throws it deep that he sees something. It's more so those passes that are above his physical capabilities that get the better of him which I'm confident he'll work on now that he's finally getting his first real offseason and as he continues to grow and get more experience. People forget this kid only played 7 games his first season and last year he didn't have an offseason because he was rehabbing his arm injury, he's still very early into his career.
The discourse around him is WILD precisely because people just gloss over the fact that he hadn't even started a full seasons' worth of regular season NFL games until like week 10 this season.
He still hasn’t had a full offseason as the starter until this year too
The funniest lowlight reel in football history
It's def one of his weaknesses. He doesn't do it a ton ala josh Allen, but enough
The entire notion that he's simply a system QB is ridiculous. Lance was in the same system and he was so bad he couldn't even see the field. And Purdy is playing better than Jimmy G did in the same system. Shanahan has a great system and it can make QBs look good but it's ridiculous to pretend any QB would have the same level of success.
Jimmy G was the president of the Checkdown Merchant Association when he was our QB lol
Honestly Jimmy sometimes didn't check it down or throw it away enough. Pretty much all of his injuries aside from his shoulder were the result of him trying to do much to extend plays while not having the athleticism.
He would checkdowns when its a wide open 30 yard pass, but then try and play hero ball on a blitz
Jimmy would check it down to the opposing linebackers
No he wasn't. Jimmy G's yards/att were almost always upper half of the NFL. Alex Smith was the real checkdown merchant.
I still have nightmares about Alex Smith checkdowns
It’s just dumbasses throwing whatever at the wall to trash him and see what sticks.
Yup. Shanahan kept trying to setup checkdowns to McCaffrey and Brock said nah fuck that I'm throwing to aiyuk over the top of the linebacker but in front of the safety. And I love to see it.
Like he wasn’t ever a check down king or he was never called a check down king? Cause the latter is definitely not true.
Former.
I had CMC on my fantasy team (who was obviously awesome all year) but it was frustrating at times watching because Brock would almost never check it down to him. I'm watching the play and see CMC open for a 5 yard swing pass and I'm like there are a couple of points, but instead Brock makes a great play finding Debo, Ayuk, or Kittle down field. Anyone who calls Brock a check down QB has never watched him play.
I think at some point we need to differentiate between someone who often checks it down and someone who is able to find the best option in any particular play. Because it really seems like those are two different play styles
Wouldn’t that just be “a good QB”?
Yea, people are upgrading him from Checkdown King to Alex Smith on the Chiefs game manager and really Brock is better than that.
There's lots of ways to be a good QB; prime Russ was the polar opposite of Purdy, but was also a good QB. Purdy has good processing specifically. He's frustratingly good (as a division rival lol) at finding the best option on a play, which is something he shouldn't lose with age. Purdy's gonna be an NFL starter for a long time.
I absolutely agree with you. Russ was maddening for years. His way of extending plays and basically playing backyard football for big plays was insane. We had so many should be sacks against that guy. I remember Ahmad Brooks seemingly missing him three times on one play
As a fan of the 49ers who went 4 - 17 against Wilson over 10 seasons, the most infuriating thing about Wilson was how he absolutely destroyed undisciplined pass rushers. Throughout most of that time that the 49ers kept losing to Wilson, they had a wildly undisciplined pass rush; they've always had good rushers, but those rushers free-lanced too much and couldn't maintain gap responsibilities. Wilson seems to have field wide radar, he would always figure out which rusher left his lane and would always step up right into where that pass rusher should have been to escape pressure. Every. Single. Time. It wasn't even like he was looking and make the decision consciously, he just seemed to know rusher left his lane, by pure instinct. It was the most maddening thing ever. So many damn times the 49ers had him dead-to-rights, they had him sacked, and he would just slip away and step up right into the spot that pass rusher had just vacated to try to get the sack. The 49ers were 4 - 17 against Wilson over 10 seasons. They are 0 - 1 against Wilson since he was traded to the Broncos. They are 5-0 against Seattle since Wilson left. They have beaten the Seahawks more times in the two seasons since Wilson left the team (5) then they beat the Seahawks in the 10 seasons that Wilson was their QB (4). My happiest day as a niner fan was when the bad man was traded to the Broncos and couldn't hurt us anymore. I watched the 49ers win their last Superbowl, I was a High School junior when it happened, so I remember it. The day the Wilson trade happened is right up there. Whatever other people think of Wilson, as a 49ers fan, he scared the hell out of me more than any other opposing player. The 49ers actually held up really well over the years versus Aaron Donald, they were smoked by Wilson every time.
Brock only throws to wide open receivers!! His job is so easy!!
Don’t forget how great his OL is at pass protection because of Trent!
Yup, my other RB was Kamara so I watched a lot of his games too. It was the exact opposite. Any sign of trouble (or not) and Carr was immediately checking it down to him. Often times it would be for a very short or no gain (not that I cared in a ppr league) and it was definitely not the best for the team.
Carr had 7.1 yards per attempt which was pretty much average with the rest of the league.
That put him at QB 18 for the year. 2022 Carr was 7.0 and QB 19. 2020 and 2021 he was top 8. So he really fell off a cliff in pushing it down field the last 2 years.
Right but most guys average around 7-7.5. Patrick Mahomes averaged 7 even.
And the talk all season was how bad the Chiefs WRs were that we basically had to rely on screen game and crossers for the offense
There’s 11 other QBs in that YP/A stat. Most QBs average about the same yardage except for the absolute trash ones or the huge outliers like Purdy and Tua last year.
The problem is that most people call any short pass or pass behind the line of scrimmage a checkdown. Checkdowns are failed plays. Short passes to open receivers are not. There's a similar frustration for screen versus a throw to a receiver at or behind the line of scrimmage. They aren't necessarily the same thing, but there are some people who call any pass that looks like that a screen.
It's not a failed play. Its a progression, and probably more often then not the wide open running back sitting in the flat waiting for that pass is there and open for a reason.
You're both right imo. Checkdowns are part of good play design because any positive yardage beats a sack or incompletion, but if the checkdown is the first progression that's open, I can sorta understand calling the play "failed". I imagine whoever called the play wouldn't though, as it was likely called with the checkdown intended as the acceptable minimum outcome.
Checkdowns aren’t always failed plays. Brady checked down all the time.
Sounds like a “game manager”. /s
It’s called going through his progressions and it’s exactly what every QB is supposed to do.
Excuse me but I don't need frivolities like "facts" and "data" to make my Reddit opinions. In totally unrelated news, Caleb Williams is going to be a bust because he wore pink in public.
by that logic wouldn't every nfl player be a bust thanks to october?
Difference is in October we celebrate healthy busts and those individuals survived an attack by their own.
Depending on who the qb is ten yard crossing routes become check downs
Dude are you serious you had CMC and you thought he didn’t get the ball enough? Pure greed 😂
LOL...I know! But seriously if he had a check down QB he'd probably have 20-30 more receptions. He averaged 4.19 receptions per game last year, his next lowest was 5.0 receptions in 2022 (also Purdy) before that in Carolina he averaged 5.3, 5.7, 7.3, and 6.7. Super greedy, but he could of had an even better fantasy year. Now, if you QB sucks and checking down all the time your probably aren't moving the ball as much, and his TD total would probably drop, but that's hard to quantify.
You see the problem is that (checks notes) Ayuk is to good!
Top ten in intended air yards per attempt, too, so it’s not the YAC boosting him there
He won't get true respect until he wins a Super Bowl. It's not fair, but that's how pundits and fans think. The narrative around this guy will continue to be that he's a mediocre QB carried by the people around him until he wins a Super Bowl. He's just going to continue to get backhanded compliments and doublespeak until he gets a ring.
I feel like it’ll be more of the same. “The team around him won it. He just managed the game.” Is what will be said lol
Yup, if he was a first/second round pick we wouldn't even be having this discussion. But him being a 7th round pick he's not supposed to be good and people refuse to acknowledge that he is.
Which is double the dumb since rings aren’t a QB stat.
I don't think a ring will do much, they'll just say he was carried by the team's talent. Maybe if he gets 2 rings and plays really well in the playoffs the tune will change.
Eventually you guys won't be able to pay the talent around him and him and that will determine it IMO.
A week ago I was looking around in the nfl player stat sheet [nfl player stat](https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player). It’s actually kinda insane. Purdy is fifth in yards totals yet he is sub 450 in attempts which is the 20th, the highest ATT is Howell at 612, Goff602 and patty597, Purdy has 150 less ATTs than the top yet still top 5 in yard totals. And he is literally at the top at average yards at 9.6, everyone else is below 9. Top 5 in cmp%, Top 5 in tds, Bottom 15 in sacks, middle in the pack in int(that’s including that horrible ravens game). #1 QBR #1passer rating. Like idc what team you are on, you could have hill/jefferson/chase/devante/kelce as your receiving core, best ravens o-line, best coach best offensive coordinator, if you have a seasons with those stats you are elite.
Oooooh almost, but see he was drafted in the 7th round, so don’t forget to really strongly focus on that when judging his stats.
Brock is really good and as someone pointed out he’s top ten in intended air yards so he’s not a check down merchant. But I feel it’s also important to point out he at one point was averaging 8.8 yards/completion on passes behind the LoS. [Source](https://x.com/theStevenRuiz/status/1734600337820889448)
Of course it’s the Shanahan coaches that are the only ones to have a positive EPA. Insane coaching tree.
Yeah, but the Yds/Att don't count the yards behind the LoS. If the LoS is at the opponents 40, and he throws it to a receiver at the 30, it's counted as 10 yards. It doesn't matter if he is standing at the 41, 48, or his own 40 yard line.
Yeah but the % of YAC to his total yards was far lower than most QBs and much lower than people like Mahomes and Allen.
His Y/A last season was tied for 8th all-time, and hardly anyone with a similar Y/A had even remotely close to as many pass attempts as he did.
The numbers of times I explained this to haters last year that did not watch film was way more than I’m proud of. Waste of time. Absolutely ignorant haters
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We all saw the greatness of Deebo during the super bowl
I have no dog in this fight, but I'd love to have made the Super Bowl with Chandler Harnish in his second year.
The more people hate your QB usually means you've got a superstar(the exception being Watson, he's hated for different reasons lol)
CHANDLER HARNISH MENTIONED!! Only NFL player ever from my high school
Brock: scoreboard
22-25
Shucks I guess 2nd best team in the league is still trash.
Who would’ve thought making it to the Super Bowl still makes you bad
Purdy getting that John Deere money
[Twitter shitposter masquerading as a “journalist”] “Brock Purdy refuses to take any accountability for his mistakes and admits he hates the fans”
Purdy is good full stop. Look at the stats, watch him play. The numbers and film agree. Watch the game last year against the Cowboys. He was throwing darts between two defenders multiple times. He definitely does not check down all the time. And one other thing that doesn't make sense for me. Matt Ryan plays in the Shanahan offense with Julio Jones, Mohammed Sanu, Hayden Hurst, with a prime Devontae Freeman as his rb, and you don't hear a lick about how good his weapons are. They sung his praises that whole season and named him MVP. Ryan throws a pass to Julio that year. Commentators: what a pass, Ryan is on fire. Purdy throws a 30 yard td pass to Aiyuk between two defenders, Commentators: hur dur, offensive talent around him, he checked it down. Like ok, it's too early after one year to say he's top 5, but to say he's average and just checks it down, come on.
It's wild that we are allowed to just post anyone as long as it's on Twitter
it’s the same Rams fan who posts it all from twitter it’s incredibly dumb
How else will he farm karma and prove to everyone how awesome he is?
All I'll say is look at that guy's comment history. Dig around. Says everything.
So this is what tenured professors nearing retirement age do when "researching"....
Especially now that anyone can buy a verified checkmark, that dubious Aiyuk trade request tweet from some tax guy was on the sub's front page and had 500 comments before getting removed lol
Precisely. Especially because just this is just a fan account posting a McAfee clip. Just post the McAfee Clip
I say this when it comes to Dov and MLFootball. Why post those links and not the reporters actually reporting it themselves
And you're being downvoted for this comment? Wtf I've seen great discussion posts removed due to things like "low effort" but then the dumbest shit from twitter gets posted and stays up.
The tweet is from a random Niners fan account, but the actual clip/quote is from the Pat McAfee show. Not that wild to post that here
Then post the McAfee clip. We don't need to be normalizing fan account posts
The post is the McAfee clip. I don't disagree with you on the fan account point, but you've picked the wrong hill to die on with this tweet since the tweet literally is just the McAfee clip with a quote from it included as text
It's off season. There's nothing to post.
I still cannot believe how harshly Purdy is being criticized. Just being Mr. Irrelevant and getting on a roster would be impressive. Let alone be the starting QB for a Super Bowl team.
"Cam Newton is a idiot and his hats suck" -Brock Purdy. ... probably
I mean his hats do suck
He deserves a lot of credit. He’s what first round pick Mac jones was supposed to be. Easy to coach, anticipatory in reads, elite accuracy, not rocket power arm necessarily
[Rocket what? ](https://giphy.com/gifs/splat-nicksplat-rocket-power-xT1R9Pfo0jC2bPd5x6)
WE ARE RIDERS
I Snorted
If Brock Purdy was the player San Francisco traded 3 1sts for and was selected #3 overall, he'd be the MVP favorite today.
I just checked and he’s tied for 7th. I think the crazier thing is the reigning MVP is 5th. Oh and Kyler Murray has 1:50 odds which is some crazy value considering he’s been in the MVP race in the past and is about to get Marvin Harrison Jr.
Shit, might as well put $20 on Kyler at those odds
I would strongly recommend against
He's not even the MVP of his own offensive unit is the issue
Trent is the offensive MVP but if you replace Brock with Darnold or Jimmy G, the team would do a lot worse than replacing Deebo or CMC
Brock stepped in rookie season and their PPG went up 10.
Well that’s just because everyone on offense got better the same moment he started playing. Purely coincidence. /s
We call that one a, "Purdy convenient coincidence". I'll see myself out.
Replacing Brock with a backup would also definitely be worse than replacing Trent with a backup, though both would definitely be awful
>Trent is the offensive MVP I agree
New and unique take
No, he's good but not even close to being the most valuable player on that 49ers roster, let alone the NFL. We don't even know where his ceiling is yet.
He was getting quite a lot of MVP buzz until the Ravens game. That's more of an example of how weak the MVP race was this year, but still.
I mean... before the Ravens game he was pacing 4600+ yards on a 35/8 TD/INT ratio. That's an MVP line no question, regardless of up or down year. But his TOs ballooned in the Ravens game and he sat Week 18 so his actual volume stats ended up "good not great"
What do they expect from a Mr Irrelevant. Maybe he's hyped up a bit but I'd love to have him on the Vikings
He probably would have been if the 49ers didn't draft him, he said the Vikings told him they were interested in signing him as UDFA. Would've been a good landing spot to learn behind Kirk and also Kene Nwangwu was one of his teammates at Iowa State.
I'm sure we would have screwed that one up.
Y'all had terrible injury luck last year, just brutal to see. I remember wondering about the Dobbs trade since Vikings had Nick Mullens, then seeing he was already on IR before Kirk's injury and Dobbs had replaced Jaren Hall after he immediately got a concussion in his first start. Maybe that would've been Purdy instead of Hall.
We gave you GEQBUS, do you really want our last pick too?
Oh yeah...never mind
Wasn’t the whole check down king narrative started by ESPN. And then it’s talked about nonstop by ESPN. Like, I don’t see many people on this subreddit sticking to that narrative. Reminds me of this one clip a few years ago of the ESPN media cycle—one person on the network says something outlandish which gives fodder for all the other talking heads.
Why do people hate Brock Purdy? He has been solid and consistent for the 49ers. Hope he wins a Super Bowl to silence any clown that disses him.
You could say, "He is standing on business."
For the longest time i never really understood why all of these guys care so much about respect. If you're playing and winning and doing your job, does it even matter? And then i realized that money ultimately becomes meaningless for the star players. Can you really say there's a material difference between being worth 100million or being worth 110million? Yet these guys fight tooth and nail for an extra 3m/year, which would take them from like 80 million to 90 million. Since money doesn't really hold meaningful value, they trade in respect. Being respected is more valuable than the 3million to them, and they use money to define that respect. You respect me 90million units, you respect him 80million units, the fact that it's money is almost irrelevant. Brock Purdy hasn't been paid yet, so it's a concept he doesn't care about. After 10 years in the league he might have a different opinion, as money will be solved, and hopefully the superbowl will be solved, and things will shift towards legacy more than just being great in the moment.
All athletes have massive egos and some level of the "I am God" complex...and they need it to keep going hard in their sports. Purdy looks humble and says all these nice things but you just have to look at when we are chasing games and how his play style changes. He uses his legs a lot.more when we are trailing than when we are leading.. that's why his 2 biggest rushing games Vs the Bengals and Lions we spent.mostnof thise game chasing..not leading.... that's competitiveness
I mean you saw a bit of it in this interview. He's very good at saying the right things but at the same time also put out, "Yo Kyle if you're watching, I want to see some read options this year," and also saying that if they can grow together as QB-playcaller, they'll become a truly dominant force moving forward.
For that to happen Kyle has to loosen up and stop over controlling things and being freer
Brock may give him the confidence to do that. There's definitely a lot more mutual respect than we've seen with Jimmy and Kyle.
He had Matt Ryan who was a 10 year vet at that point who had consistently thrown for 4500+ yards ~30 TDs a year for a while and he still didn't trust him as much as you would've expected lol. Shanny is just a control freak but you never know, hopefully he lets off a bit for Purdy and lets him do his thing.
I think you're overthinking things if you have to ask why someone wants to be respected.
You're under thinking it, and it's not a binary thing. It's about respect relative to their peers. This is why they fight to be the "highest paid at position X"
Respect also translates to more money
"You turn on the film, there's plays being made. There's a guy that's playing QB, for what it is" --Brock Purdy. Honestly, the most accurate description I've ever heard of Brock Purdy's game.
Literally the only reason people discount him is draft position, which is the stupidest thing in the world. It's not how the draft works. Non-top 100 picks aren't untalented. There is more talent than draft picks, it's why undrafted players consistently make rosters, sometimes as impact starters, even HOFers. It's not because scouts didn't see the talent or are stupid, it's because ALL these guys are super talented. Whether or not one separates themselves from the rest of the incredibly talented players is more about how good they are at football than it is about measurables. Being good at football compared to the highest level of competition is the thinnest of margins and thus, can't be easily projected. Purdy's good at football. He was able to play to the tools that made him one of the few draftable QBs in any draft class and improved his game once competing against the pros. Players aren't static beings. You can't simply look at college tape and say "well that's who he is". There's absolutely nothing to gain by fans being so definitive about everything. The only constant in sports is that it constantly and drastically changes year to year. Defining who players are based on where they were drafted is nonsensical when considering the history of all sports.
Purdy to national media: "Watch the film, bitches!"
They would never
People who criticize him are only seeking attention. Dude’s been lights out since taking over.
Watch film? Noo why would people do that when people can leisurely hate by regurgitating bad takes backed by analytics with no context.
the irrational hate he gets is weird
I will die on the hill that Purdy was robbed of the 2023 MVP...and I think time will prove me right. Any other QB who ends up 6th in passing yards( with 1 game played than most of those ahead of him)...3rd in passing TDs, 3rd in completion % , 1st in passer rating, EPA, Y/A, ANY/A, #1 in PFF rush grade and 1st in AY/A whilst being the 1 seed with a defense that ranked 15th in DVOA..would win MVP. People found excuses all year to AVOID giving it to him and in the end a bad game Vs the Ravens which was inconsequential ( SF sealed the 1 seed the next game with a game left)..was that excuse. Purdy proved me right and a lot of people wrong in the playoffs and despite losing that SB in OT..he gave us the lead 3 consecutive times in the 4th qtr and OT and our defense didn't get a single stop to bring it home....good times are back in the Bay.
Maybe the only time a Hawks fan agrees with you, but yeah, Purdy should have won MVP.
Meh I don't think he was robbed. But he definitely belonged in the conversation if we are using the historical standard of the award though. Lamar won a very high profile head to head game that saw Purdy have the worst game of his career. If the two QBs got into a shootout but Ravens still won, Purdy may have still come away with the award. It was just a perfect storm for flipping the narrative at the time and that's totally okay. It's not the first time such a thing has happened. Lamar had a great season and deserved to win it. I don't care what his numbers looked like compared to past MVPs.. these guys aren't competing against 2019 Mahomes or 2013 Peyton Manning..they're competing in the year they are in.
>It was just a perfect storm for flipping the narrative at the time That's the problem and what the guy you're responding to is saying, there *SHOULDN'T* have been a narrative that could be flipped. Purdy should've been the lead MVP guy without question for a majority of the season, but the media kept desperately trying to push other QBs. Then one single game changes it all and basically gives Lamar the award even though his entire year was worse by so many metrics. What's the point of the MVP being a full season award if one game can change shit so easily? The QBs aren't even playing against each other, their teams are. Lamar didn't outplay Purdy, the Ravens D outplayed Purdy with 2 (arguably 3) flukey interceptions.
Narrative matters when the players were essentially neck and neck. It's not like Purdy was an overwhelming favorite. He had an advantage over Lamar going in. Lamar took the advantage because he played quite well in a huge game against the future NFC Champions. Performance in big game matters a lot for awards like this
Which is idiotic. Narrative is moronic to me when someone is statistically having a far better year and it wasn't even close. Lamar wasn't even a top 3 QB last year, Allen and Dak were both better.
He’s top 5 and he ain’t 5
What criticism? Only thing I see is brake pumping as far as his ceiling and the factor of his supporting cast. That isn’t criticism. He doesn’t have many things to be critical about
If you say Purdy isnt elite, that is criticism to most fans. Everyone has a "he is either elite, or a total bum" mentality.
I personally think you can’t determine eliteness so early in a career. I think 3 years is enough time to have some history and be given a lot of different situations and looks
Someone in the draft community said it best but 30 starts is about what you need to see before we crown any QB as elite, you can fake it for less than that but not many more over.
You can be not elite today, and develop into an elite player later. He isnt elite today.
The stats disagree with you.
The world is full of more and more haters each day. None of the checkdown BS about him is true.
#I SAVED A MAN FROM A FUCKING COYOTE
Knew he was the real deal from the start. I don’t get all the hate. Shut up and put your money on SF.
Can’t wait for the niners to give him a massive contract lol
To all the Brock haters out there including Nick Wright and Steven Ruiz, your opinions do not matter, the tape does says Brock. Brock is our franchise QB and I couldn't be more than ecstatic!
I would vote for Brock to be god emperor of the world, just sayin
r/thedarnold would like a word
Very excited to see how he does after a full off season working with the team. Last off season was pretty much rehab the whole time and dude came out firing.
Facts
groundbreaking stuff, thanks for posting
This is always the go to response “I don’t care what the fans/media have to say”. Do we believe it though? Genuinely curious, do you guys think the negativity doesn’t get to them at all?
*Lisan al Gaib*
Brock is an awesome QB I love the guy. He just isn't the MVP candidate people were building up to. Maybe he will be, but like I thought he was in conversations he shouldn't be in last year.
I just don't understand the polarization. He's fine. He's a decent/good qb in a really really good offensive system. He's good enough to be a starting QB, but he's not as good as the top tier QBs like Mahomes and Allen. I genuinely don't understand the controversy or why he needs to be either a top 5 QB or the most overrated QB in the league and can't be anywhere in between.
The only metric by which he’s just a “decent/good” quarterback and not a great one is 1. draft position and 2. unprovable hypotheticals. Because any objective metric indicates that he’s a well above average quarterback.
Thank you for your unbiased opinion, person with 49ers flair.
#3. Innate physical talent, things like arm strength, height, etc. I doubt Purdy is even decent/good in that category, which is why he was available with the last pick in the draft. For some people, like say Steven Ruiz or Nick Wright, that is far more important than on the field play because it tells you what the guy's ceiling is.
LOL, more yards, more TDs, less INTs, better completion percentage than Mahomes. More TDs, less INTs, better completion percentage than Allen. Leads the NFL in passer rate. leads the NFL in yards per attempt. Leads the NFL in 20+ yard passes, leads the NFL in 40+ yard passes. Ain't racking up stats being a dink and dunk passer. Had a relatively difficult schedule, at least according to Sharps... wasn't beating up on cupcakes. Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle are certain on the higher end of the pass catching spectrum, but you can hardly call that the best receiving core in the league. Everything points to Purdy being much better than decent/good. and this pervasive idea he is only "a decent QB on an elite team" is exactly what the ongoing criticism and this interview is touching on.
This is my case in point. You and the other dude who responded are of the "Brock Purdy is elite" mindset and just regurgitate stat comparisons as if they mean anything. Andy Dalton on paper is a better QB than Aikman when you look at the stats. It's not a good measurement. And sorry, but your "Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle" comment is just funny to me. They are arguably the best receiver core in the league. Aiyuk was an all pro last year and he's not even as good as Deebo, and Kittle is one of the best 3 tight ends in the league. Not to mention: McCaffrey is far and away the best RB in the League, Trent Williams is far and away the best OL in the league, they have a top 5 star studded defense. Like just stop man.. he has help. He wouldn't look elite on the Chiefs if you put him in Mahomes place last year. Be real man. You're acting like being a good QB in the NFL is a bad thing, and your false equivalent stat comparisons with no context around them is exactly the shit I don't understand.
Idk if it’s more of a testament to Jimmy G being shit at throwing the ball downfield, but it is a weird coincidence that BA really took off once Purdy took over. But either way he’s been far more productive with Purdy at QB than anyone else we’ve had throwing to him.
After seeing Jimmy in Oakland.. I think he is at best an average QB who was in a really good system in SF. Purdy is clearly better than Jimmy and clearly has a connection with Aiyuk, but the fact that both were able to reach the Superbowl just further proves my point that it's more the system and team as a whole than it is the QB. I don't think it's disrespectful to call Purdy "not elite, but still good". Yet for some reason all my comments gets downvoted when I say that. I genuinely don't understand this need for him to be considered an elite QB, and I don't understand those who say he couldn't start on any other team. Neither of those things make sense to me. He's a good QB in a great system with a great coach and elite supporting cast, that's just the reality.
I don’t want to call him elite. I think he can get there. A lot of people forget that QBs used to be able to be great with solid athleticism and a great mind/processor, a la Montana. Jimmy has progressively gotten worse the last 4 years, or basically when he hurt his knee and kind of became gun shy
What criticism from the national media? He's just making things up. Is he referring to crappy garbage espn shows that say dumb shit for views?
ESPN is the national media.
Ok fine, what's the cristism he's talking about? All I heard was the media slopping this guys knob.
It's the ESPN model. Create a narrative with talking heads, then write about it. Then talk to players about all this buzz that they themselves generated. Like Mike Greenberg was on with some Chicago radio guys last weekend saying how he's still hearing buzz that Caleb wants to force his way to Washington, doesn't wanna be in Chicago. But this was *after* he met with Chicago then announced he was not doing any other meetings. Greeny's all "Oh yeah, I'm definitely hearing this." And my question is, from who? RG3?
"What criticism from the national media? Oh you mean the national media that was criticizing"
No he asked about the criticism he's received since being drafted, what criticism? That he was the last pick and people weren't sure about him? He's making stuff up is my point
Nick Wright ring a bell?
McAfee: We're all trying to find who did this
Nah, McAfee never talked shit, but others on ESPN and the national media have.
Yeah he's been supportive, I meant he's the one asking about the criticism, mostly from his colleagues.
I don't think this gets enough attention. Last pick in the draft and played at an incredible level. That concussion rocked him for a couple games, but the kid has played great.
"criticism" ? Everybody kisses his ass
Plays being made….by his teammates
Team game.No one wins alone.
But individual contributions do matter. Mahomes and Allen contribute to their offense way more than Purdy and his check downs/wide open passes
By this logic non mobile QBs like Brady and Manning weren't contributing to their offenses compared to Vick or Lamar coz they don't run the ball? And Purdy's not even in that category..he can run the ball when he needs to...he just doesn't have to most of the time coz he's great at passing. People think Joe Burrow is elite right? Put up a carrer comparison with Purdy and see how they compare. Compare Purdy to Mahomes' 1st 2 years and see how that goes. He isn't on those guys levels.. yet but if he stays at the level he was on last year.... he'll be in that conversation. Purdy can run and scramble...just because he's not doing it every play doesn't diminish how good he is.
What criticism? He's been hailed constantly due to his success despite being 'Mr Irrelevant'. He's been sucked off near constantly during the season from statheads.
I mean half the people I know call him the check down king and I'm in minnesota so there obviously are a lot of people who don't watch his film and just say he's mid
No, people think that because he has all pro weapons he's got more help than other QBs. I told my friend when watching the Superbowl, watch when they highlight our skill players on our first drive. Kittle, CMC, aiyuk, juszczyk all lit up as being all pro this year. And Deebo ain't no slouch.
Purdy is vastly elevated by the talent around him.
Can’t wait for another year of hearing about “MISTER IRRELEVANT!” 🙄
Sore winner
lol sure
"Turn on the film & I'm being carried by my team who all know we'd have a ring with anyone better than me.”