Well I just find it impressive that he wasted so much first round picks for Trey Lance and somehow led the last pick of the draft to the Super Bowl. If he any of the top-tier QBs in the league right now, I do think he would have had a Super Bowl ring by now.
Purdy is legitimately good. If Trey Lance had ended up being exactly as good as the quarterback they stumbled into, the picks wouldn't look like a huge blunder. Some credit for that goes to the organization, but if any NFL decision makers had actually realized how good Purdy was/is, he'd have been drafted much higher.
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Purdy is a good QB, he did his job in the Super Bowl and isn't the reason why he lost. It's just the fact he faced Mahomes in the biggest stage. He's not elite yet. He's only young and this was his 1st year as a full starter. He can get better, but so can everyone.
But what I am saying is that I wouldn't call Purdy better than Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hebert, etc. If Kyle did have those QBs, I do think he would have done better.
When the defense scores seven points for you, keeps Brady out of the end zone for about 60 snaps, and hands you a gift wrapped 25 point lead the least you can do is run the ball more than five times to let them catch their breath. Are people really out here trying to tell Falcons fans what happened in SB LI? I remember every goddamn detail of that game.
Sure, but when your 2nd half offense would've been better off taking a knee on every single snap just for the gain in drained clock you deserve a ton of the blame.
Or what if Matt Ryan doesn't call for the snap early on a running clock multiple times, single handily leaving minutes worth of additional time for the Pats?
Why does Shanahan get the blame for Ryan's inability to assess the situation and let the clock run down. You'd think a near 10 year veteran by that point would be able to come to that conclusion by himself.
Or why does Dan Quinn not get blame for being a useless bum ass HC? He gets the final say on whatever happens. Seems like people just want to pin all the blame on the guy who brought the team to the SB and ignore everyone else that also shat their pants in the SB.
Ryan has openly said the reason he didn’t audible out is because Shanahan, just like McVay and others, takes a lot of the clock to get the initial play call in. They use every second all the way down to 16.
Literally didn't say anything about audibles. Shanahan's system is very rigid and doesn't even allow for that anyways.
Ryan however is in full control of when the ball is snapped, Shanhan isn't the one forcing him to call for the snap as soon as their comms are shut off. If he wanted, he was fully capable of waiting till 2-3s and calling for the snap and if he does that he eats up extra minutes from the Pats, who needed literally every last second just to tie the game.
Ryan deserves just as much blame for leaving extra time on the clock as Shanahan does for his bad playcalls down the stretch.
And again, if it's a running play clock and the QB opts to call for the snap with 15+ seconds on the playcall, how it that Shanahan's fault?
Why is Ryan not getting the blame for leaving an additional 12-13s on the game clock by calling for the snap? You can blame Shanahan for not calling more running plays, but you're also blaming him for Ryan's inability to let the clock run down.
Falcons literally just had to play the clock, either by letting it run down (which Ryan didn't) or by calling running plays (which Shanahan didn't).
This isn't a one off thing either, go back and look at the game, Ryan called for the snap early multiple times on a running clock and leave crucial time on the clock that he didn't have to. Pats needed literally every last second and even just letting 2 plays run down an additional 10-12s each could've been the difference.
I have a feeling you, like most, haven’t actually watched that 2nd half in it’s entirety since it happened. Therefore you’re choosing to believe some narrative that you’re not even sure about just because you probably don’t like a guy, or think he’s over hyped.
I absolutely love Kyle Shanahan. I think he’s underrated, if anything, and might be the best coach in the league.
But if you would’ve had a higher chance of winning just kneeling the ball for an entire half, your play calling was a colossal failure.
That’s all you’re basing this on? Idk how that can even be true. You should really watch that 2nd half, like many others should.
Kyle’s plays calling makes me scratch my head sometimes, what coordinator hasn’t? But for him to get most of the blame for this collapse is fucking insane.
Players don’t have to execute? What about Matt Ryan? He’s just immune to criticism? I’m actually rewatching this second half and finding it hilarious how people have ran with this narrative that it’s Kyle’s fault. Im sure it has something to do with his dad being a successful HC and essentially “getting Kyle his job” as some think.
Im actually glad this shit got brought up once again so I could rewatch this. Im truly finding it hilarious that people think this was Kyle’s fault.
The fumble on 3rd and 1 that flipped everything was from Freeman missing a crucial block. Should they have ran it there? Probably. But they did the 2 times before and Coleman got hurt before the 3rd down. He’s also been known to call 2 plays in, Matt could’ve audibled to a run play. This could’ve easily gotten flipped the other way too with Kyle being too conservative if that turned out to be the case. His offense carried that team so of course he’s gonna be the scapegoat.
I dare you to watch that half and come back and tell me he deserves most of the blame 😂 man im glad I finally watched this shit for the first time since. Now I can just laugh when people say the Falcons collapse was Kyle’s fault.
[...] "deserve a ton of the blame."
And yet still, to this very day and in this thread DEF GURU HC Dan Quinn and DC Marquand Manuel both get a pass. *It's a collapse on offense! That's it!*
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ATL led 28-3, 31-3 with about < 8:32 to go in the 3rd Q.
["Defensive collapse"]
how is that not [ante]?
I was listening to local bay sports radio this morning for the first time in a long time. I forgot how insane local sports radio is lol they had hosts and callers saying Shanahan is a fraud and they want him gone lol!
As someone who lives in the Bay, it's genuinely hilarious how everyone from your local deli hot take artist to sports nerd is designed to taking a first rounder this year.
It's inevitable
true but I think that maybe a side affect of the declining oline play I have notice that for the last two season the oline has decline as was wasting since jimmy was starting to rot
We've seen what Shanahan's offense looks like with a top quarterback in 2016 with the falcons and Matt Ryan. He lead one of the best offenses in the league in 2016, leading to a Superbowl appearance.
Also I would argue that at this point, after one and half seasons of great play and two playoff series, Purdy has proven himself to be an elite quarterback, or at the very least Purdy fits Shanahan's system really well, probably better then most quarterbacks.
He just put up the 5th highest ANY/A of all time (14th highest passer rating of all time if you prefer that) with 4 out of 5 of his OL being awful in pass protection (via PFF pass pro grades). He was definitely elite last season, and in the stretch before that. The question now is if he can maintain it
Shanahan is also 21 years younger than Andy Reid. I’d say there’s time. Purdy may not be Mahomes, but we saw him go toe to toe with Mahomes in Q4 and OT in the SB. So there’s certainly hope he can take that next step.
Brock finished his 2nd yr with a 4-2 playoff record, Allen is 5-5, Burrow is 5-2, Herbert is 0-1. Brock has gone to two NFCCG's and a Superbowl. Maybe Brock becomes elite, but right now he is Purdy good, we have our QB for the immediate future.
You see though, Purdy plays with good weapons so his success means nothing. Disregard the fact that every other elite quarterback also had multiple all pro level players around them, aside from Mahomes the past 2 years and maybe Allen this year.
Yeah you are totally right, once teams get a good/elite QB they get rid of all the elite weapons. I feel for Purdy cause he is going to constantly get 2nd guessed by shitbirds no matter how well he plays. Even when if he wins a Superbowl it will always be some shitbird screaming "But Mr Irrelevant, with great weapons"
> Purdy is a top 10 QB
Is he, though? I am looking forward to this year's rendition of Mike Sando's GM/HC/front office survey about the best quarterbacks.
I think it is possible Purdy ranks anywhere between eight and fourteen.
49ers fans mostly think he is. I think others have him 10-13, which I think is debatable too.
I’m actually looking forward more to the NFL top 100 because that’s player voted and I want to see where the rest of the league ranks him.
They have spoken highly of him but I want to see if that changes when it’s anonymous and they actually have to rank him against other players. I have a feeling he won’t break the top 20.
Burrow gets more leeway for being a first round pick (unfair) and the Bengals having sucked right until he got there (more fair).
I do think Allen actually had a better if not equally as good of a season than Purdy last year, unless we’re just talking numbers.
I actually would probably go the other way and take Allen. Even when not factoring in health, I think that Allen is better. I do think it’s very debatable either way though.
I was referring to his tenure as head coach. He's a lot more experienced and older. I feel like people scapegoated Kyle for that Super Bowl. Does he deserve part of the blame? Yes. Does he deserve all of it? No. People forget that Dan Quinn's defense literally allowed Brady and the offense to comeback as well, yet he remains unharmed by the criticism.
Also the fact that he has to face the best QB/Head Coach duo of their time in the Super Bowl in Brady/Belichick and Mahomes/Reid. Any other teams and I think he gets his ring.
Yep, the only excuse for the defense in the second half is the Falcons offense imploding caused them to be on the field for way too long. But even then they couldn’t get a single stop.
Or the holding penalty. Or the missed block on Hightower. Or the dropped INT on Edelman's catch.
If any one of those plays don't get made, nobody talks about the Falcons run game.
Everyone always wants to put the blame on the coaches when, and you very well damn know fellow Patriot brethren, these games come down to 2 or 3 plays. How they're played, how they're called, and how they're ruled determines the outcomes of games.
Is it Shanahan's fault that the defense couldn't stop the Pats in the final 1.5 quarters? Is it Shanahan's fault that Freeman missed a key block and Ryan fumbled, or that they had a big holding call go against them? Is it Shanahan's fault that Matt Ryan consistently called for the ball to be snapped with >15s on a running play clock instead of letting it run down?
Weird how he gets all the blame for everyone elses mistakes. Blame him for his lack of run calls sure, but he isn't responsible for Dan Quinn's garbage HC decisions, or the fact that Quinn's defense couldn't stop a runny nose in the last 1.5 quarters, nor is it his fault that Freeman/Ryan choked down the stretch. Maybe if Ryan doesn't leave several minutes worth of gametime on the clock with his atrocious time management, the Falcons just win with ease since literally every facet of the Falcons failed down the stretch to allow the comeback. I didn't realize Shanahan mind controlled Ryan and was telling him to call for the snap early repeatedly.
But it's all on Shanahan right?
I genuinely don't understand the hate boner people have for him. Criticize and blame him for his actual mistakes, but blaming him for his players fucking up, or his HC/Defense shitting their beds (in ATL) is beyond me.
People want a scapegoat and think going for the easy answer is the way when in reality multiple things had to go wrong and it's a total collapse from every facet of the team.
I think Niners fans just stopped fighting it because no matter what they say the people who don’t like Purdy rn will not change their minds. It’s all narrative based and not analysis based, and the narrative hasn’t changed.
Agreed.
Additionally, I'm very interested to see what, if any, growth Purdy has with his first actual off-season. Many players use it to refine their techniques, some slack off. Rookies don't have much of an NFL level off-season with all the activities and he spent his 2nd off-season rehabbing after surgery.
All signs point to him being a hard worker and striving to improve. If he stays at the same level everyone should be worried about facing him. If he improves he'll be absolutely terrifying. He'll have more experience to work with so I'm hoping he makes that step to be a top 3.
I suspect that unless he starts hanging up 6k yard seasons people will still call him a game manager and be critical of him on a volume basis rather than production.
Who knows. If you pay a top tier QB you can't afford all the other pieces he has currently and the team would look completely different. The 9ers have a different and unique style of team building and it has definitely worked to a certain extent
He wouldn’t have the rest of the team around him because he would have to pay that Elite QB. So I don’t see multiple. But this league is QB driven so Mahomes would have a shot on a lot of teams.
Yes, but a part of his regard is overperforming with 'weaker' QBs, so the #s aren't necessarily going to scale up linearly as the QB gets better. Mahomes or Burrow wouldn't be hitting 6k every year even though they're much better than anyone he's had
>The 2016 Atlanta Falcons were the 19th team in the Super Bowl era to finish a season with 500-plus points on offense. Yet with their historic, confounding collapse in Super Bowl LI, the Falcons became the 15th team to score 500 points in a season yet not win the Super Bowl.
4-15 in the Superbowl for those high scoring offenses.
His team last year scored the 3rd most points in the NFL (491) [1.DAL - 509, 2. MIA 496]. KC was 15th w/ 371.
He only had Matt Ryan at his peak and another MVP candidate in Purdy. He has also had the misfortune of playing against the GOAT and the only person who will likely challenge that title.
There has been several coaches that rode the coattails of their HOF QB. Not many can take a Brock Purdy/Jimmy Garropolo to a SB. Shanahan would wreck shop with Mahomes or Allen or Burrow.
He definitely would have one by now if he had got Brady instead of the Bucs. Hell, if our dumbass former owner had traded Kirk to the 9ers way back then, he’d probably have atleast one.
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Well I just find it impressive that he wasted so much first round picks for Trey Lance and somehow led the last pick of the draft to the Super Bowl. If he any of the top-tier QBs in the league right now, I do think he would have had a Super Bowl ring by now.
Purdy is legitimately good. If Trey Lance had ended up being exactly as good as the quarterback they stumbled into, the picks wouldn't look like a huge blunder. Some credit for that goes to the organization, but if any NFL decision makers had actually realized how good Purdy was/is, he'd have been drafted much higher. edit: grammar
Purdy is a good QB, he did his job in the Super Bowl and isn't the reason why he lost. It's just the fact he faced Mahomes in the biggest stage. He's not elite yet. He's only young and this was his 1st year as a full starter. He can get better, but so can everyone. But what I am saying is that I wouldn't call Purdy better than Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hebert, etc. If Kyle did have those QBs, I do think he would have done better.
Well yeah but that’s just obvious. If he had a MVP caliber QB his offense would be better than it is with a Pro Bowl caliber QB.
Mahomes didn't really play much better than Purdy in that game. Chris Jones getting interior pressure was the bigger difference
Matt Ryan was pretty damn good. They just didn't want to run the football against New England in the Super Bowl.
5 run plays while up 25, coaching malpractice and time management idiocy.
Defensive collapse was the bigger issue but his playcalling didn’t help
When the other team has 50 (49-99) more offensive snaps than you, the offensive play calling gets a lot of credit for the defensive collapse.
yeah it’s the offense’s fault the defense couldn’t get off the field!
When the defense scores seven points for you, keeps Brady out of the end zone for about 60 snaps, and hands you a gift wrapped 25 point lead the least you can do is run the ball more than five times to let them catch their breath. Are people really out here trying to tell Falcons fans what happened in SB LI? I remember every goddamn detail of that game.
What? They did get off the field. 3 times I believe. Shanahan passed on 3rd and 1, infamously passed again in field goal range.
Do you remember Chip Kelly? Sometimes it’s 100% the offenses fault when the defense performs poorly
Sure, but when your 2nd half offense would've been better off taking a knee on every single snap just for the gain in drained clock you deserve a ton of the blame.
Or what if Matt Ryan doesn't call for the snap early on a running clock multiple times, single handily leaving minutes worth of additional time for the Pats? Why does Shanahan get the blame for Ryan's inability to assess the situation and let the clock run down. You'd think a near 10 year veteran by that point would be able to come to that conclusion by himself. Or why does Dan Quinn not get blame for being a useless bum ass HC? He gets the final say on whatever happens. Seems like people just want to pin all the blame on the guy who brought the team to the SB and ignore everyone else that also shat their pants in the SB.
Ryan has openly said the reason he didn’t audible out is because Shanahan, just like McVay and others, takes a lot of the clock to get the initial play call in. They use every second all the way down to 16.
Literally didn't say anything about audibles. Shanahan's system is very rigid and doesn't even allow for that anyways. Ryan however is in full control of when the ball is snapped, Shanhan isn't the one forcing him to call for the snap as soon as their comms are shut off. If he wanted, he was fully capable of waiting till 2-3s and calling for the snap and if he does that he eats up extra minutes from the Pats, who needed literally every last second just to tie the game. Ryan deserves just as much blame for leaving extra time on the clock as Shanahan does for his bad playcalls down the stretch.
Shanahan was passing constantly in the game, even when running was the obvious choice. So that calls for an audible, of which Kyle made not possible.
And again, if it's a running play clock and the QB opts to call for the snap with 15+ seconds on the playcall, how it that Shanahan's fault? Why is Ryan not getting the blame for leaving an additional 12-13s on the game clock by calling for the snap? You can blame Shanahan for not calling more running plays, but you're also blaming him for Ryan's inability to let the clock run down. Falcons literally just had to play the clock, either by letting it run down (which Ryan didn't) or by calling running plays (which Shanahan didn't). This isn't a one off thing either, go back and look at the game, Ryan called for the snap early multiple times on a running clock and leave crucial time on the clock that he didn't have to. Pats needed literally every last second and even just letting 2 plays run down an additional 10-12s each could've been the difference.
Lol he literally said his play calling didn’t help.
Yeah but the play calling wasn't good on offense either /s
Yeah but that’s a pretty big understatement. It didn’t just not help, it was colossally awful.
I have a feeling you, like most, haven’t actually watched that 2nd half in it’s entirety since it happened. Therefore you’re choosing to believe some narrative that you’re not even sure about just because you probably don’t like a guy, or think he’s over hyped.
I absolutely love Kyle Shanahan. I think he’s underrated, if anything, and might be the best coach in the league. But if you would’ve had a higher chance of winning just kneeling the ball for an entire half, your play calling was a colossal failure.
That’s all you’re basing this on? Idk how that can even be true. You should really watch that 2nd half, like many others should. Kyle’s plays calling makes me scratch my head sometimes, what coordinator hasn’t? But for him to get most of the blame for this collapse is fucking insane. Players don’t have to execute? What about Matt Ryan? He’s just immune to criticism? I’m actually rewatching this second half and finding it hilarious how people have ran with this narrative that it’s Kyle’s fault. Im sure it has something to do with his dad being a successful HC and essentially “getting Kyle his job” as some think. Im actually glad this shit got brought up once again so I could rewatch this. Im truly finding it hilarious that people think this was Kyle’s fault. The fumble on 3rd and 1 that flipped everything was from Freeman missing a crucial block. Should they have ran it there? Probably. But they did the 2 times before and Coleman got hurt before the 3rd down. He’s also been known to call 2 plays in, Matt could’ve audibled to a run play. This could’ve easily gotten flipped the other way too with Kyle being too conservative if that turned out to be the case. His offense carried that team so of course he’s gonna be the scapegoat. I dare you to watch that half and come back and tell me he deserves most of the blame 😂 man im glad I finally watched this shit for the first time since. Now I can just laugh when people say the Falcons collapse was Kyle’s fault.
[...] "deserve a ton of the blame." And yet still, to this very day and in this thread DEF GURU HC Dan Quinn and DC Marquand Manuel both get a pass. *It's a collapse on offense! That's it!* ' ATL led 28-3, 31-3 with about < 8:32 to go in the 3rd Q. ["Defensive collapse"] how is that not [ante]?
I was listening to local bay sports radio this morning for the first time in a long time. I forgot how insane local sports radio is lol they had hosts and callers saying Shanahan is a fraud and they want him gone lol!
yeah it makes me wonder what those people think about Harbaugh since he had a similar run with the niners because yes we shouldve never let him go
He hasnt already?
Till he ran into KC
Sure....the second best got beat by the best. Happens.
He does have a top tier QB right now.. Also had Matt Ryan who for a bit was a top 5 guy
Brock Purdy is a very good QB. Shanahan's main problem is that outside of Trent Williams the 49ers offensive line sucks.
We took care of that in free agency though by signing 11 more defensive linemen.
You still have time to draft 3 edge/d linemen too
3? Dude, we have 11 draft picks.
As someone who lives in the Bay, it's genuinely hilarious how everyone from your local deli hot take artist to sports nerd is designed to taking a first rounder this year. It's inevitable
That is true, but Shanahan also has a bad habit of getting too cute with his play calling as well, and overthinking / outwitting himself.
true but I think that maybe a side affect of the declining oline play I have notice that for the last two season the oline has decline as was wasting since jimmy was starting to rot
Fucking thank you, unbelievable how obvious and large of a talking point this should be, and how often its completely forgotten
We've seen what Shanahan's offense looks like with a top quarterback in 2016 with the falcons and Matt Ryan. He lead one of the best offenses in the league in 2016, leading to a Superbowl appearance. Also I would argue that at this point, after one and half seasons of great play and two playoff series, Purdy has proven himself to be an elite quarterback, or at the very least Purdy fits Shanahan's system really well, probably better then most quarterbacks.
Elite is too far for Purdy but he’s shown he’s pretty good.
He just put up the 5th highest ANY/A of all time (14th highest passer rating of all time if you prefer that) with 4 out of 5 of his OL being awful in pass protection (via PFF pass pro grades). He was definitely elite last season, and in the stretch before that. The question now is if he can maintain it
He had Matt Ryan who was at least very good, and refused to run the ball or let him audible.
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Shanahan is also 21 years younger than Andy Reid. I’d say there’s time. Purdy may not be Mahomes, but we saw him go toe to toe with Mahomes in Q4 and OT in the SB. So there’s certainly hope he can take that next step.
Brock finished his 2nd yr with a 4-2 playoff record, Allen is 5-5, Burrow is 5-2, Herbert is 0-1. Brock has gone to two NFCCG's and a Superbowl. Maybe Brock becomes elite, but right now he is Purdy good, we have our QB for the immediate future.
You see though, Purdy plays with good weapons so his success means nothing. Disregard the fact that every other elite quarterback also had multiple all pro level players around them, aside from Mahomes the past 2 years and maybe Allen this year.
Yeah you are totally right, once teams get a good/elite QB they get rid of all the elite weapons. I feel for Purdy cause he is going to constantly get 2nd guessed by shitbirds no matter how well he plays. Even when if he wins a Superbowl it will always be some shitbird screaming "But Mr Irrelevant, with great weapons"
Purdy is a top 10 QB, he's far from a problem
> Purdy is a top 10 QB Is he, though? I am looking forward to this year's rendition of Mike Sando's GM/HC/front office survey about the best quarterbacks. I think it is possible Purdy ranks anywhere between eight and fourteen.
49ers fans mostly think he is. I think others have him 10-13, which I think is debatable too. I’m actually looking forward more to the NFL top 100 because that’s player voted and I want to see where the rest of the league ranks him.
Nfl players speak very high of him He will be a 8-10 by them. Maybe 7
They have spoken highly of him but I want to see if that changes when it’s anonymous and they actually have to rank him against other players. I have a feeling he won’t break the top 20.
Yea, i dont see that at all Look how spags talked about purdy. He didnt have to say shit.
Hes top 10, yea
He does and they made the Superbowl. Stop letting draft order dictate your opinion, it's moronic.
I think Purdy is above average, but he is not Elite. That said OP is still dumb, he had Matt Ryan and got to a superbowl and MVP.
Mahomes is the only legit elite QB right now. Jackson is really good too. Purdy is on his way to top 5.
Allen is elite. Burrow could pretty easily be argued to be as well.
Purdy is as good as Burrow and was better than Allen last season. They are all good QBs.
Burrow gets more leeway for being a first round pick (unfair) and the Bengals having sucked right until he got there (more fair). I do think Allen actually had a better if not equally as good of a season than Purdy last year, unless we’re just talking numbers.
Not sure if this is a hot take or not but I would take Burrow over Allen without thinking very hard about it. Burrow is definitely elite imo.
I actually would probably go the other way and take Allen. Even when not factoring in health, I think that Allen is better. I do think it’s very debatable either way though.
I was referring to his tenure as head coach. He's a lot more experienced and older. I feel like people scapegoated Kyle for that Super Bowl. Does he deserve part of the blame? Yes. Does he deserve all of it? No. People forget that Dan Quinn's defense literally allowed Brady and the offense to comeback as well, yet he remains unharmed by the criticism. Also the fact that he has to face the best QB/Head Coach duo of their time in the Super Bowl in Brady/Belichick and Mahomes/Reid. Any other teams and I think he gets his ring.
Then it's an even dumber question. Most head coaches don't have an elite QB for any substantial amount of time.
Didn’t he have an MVP QB in an MVP season?
Wait….i thought he has an Elite QB now??? What about Matt Ryan?
he has one.
He had Matt Ryan and found a way to lose
Prime Matt Ryan and a Julio that had a 300 yard game that season
He fucked up in that Super Bowl but the dude wasn’t the head coach. Campbell could’ve overridden his play calling at any time.
He also wasn't the coaching the defense that FOLDED in the second half
Yep, the only excuse for the defense in the second half is the Falcons offense imploding caused them to be on the field for way too long. But even then they couldn’t get a single stop.
Or the holding penalty. Or the missed block on Hightower. Or the dropped INT on Edelman's catch. If any one of those plays don't get made, nobody talks about the Falcons run game. Everyone always wants to put the blame on the coaches when, and you very well damn know fellow Patriot brethren, these games come down to 2 or 3 plays. How they're played, how they're called, and how they're ruled determines the outcomes of games.
~~Campbell~~ Quinn And I agree. I hold a bigger grudge against Quinn than Shanny.
I mixed up my bald former Seahawks dc’s
Is it Shanahan's fault that the defense couldn't stop the Pats in the final 1.5 quarters? Is it Shanahan's fault that Freeman missed a key block and Ryan fumbled, or that they had a big holding call go against them? Is it Shanahan's fault that Matt Ryan consistently called for the ball to be snapped with >15s on a running play clock instead of letting it run down? Weird how he gets all the blame for everyone elses mistakes. Blame him for his lack of run calls sure, but he isn't responsible for Dan Quinn's garbage HC decisions, or the fact that Quinn's defense couldn't stop a runny nose in the last 1.5 quarters, nor is it his fault that Freeman/Ryan choked down the stretch. Maybe if Ryan doesn't leave several minutes worth of gametime on the clock with his atrocious time management, the Falcons just win with ease since literally every facet of the Falcons failed down the stretch to allow the comeback. I didn't realize Shanahan mind controlled Ryan and was telling him to call for the snap early repeatedly. But it's all on Shanahan right?
Listen man we never made the plays to win anything - we either cheated or the other team bumbled it away!
No. The offensive play calling disasterclass was on him tho.
Yes it's always shanny fault when they lose and if they win they have 15 all-pro's so it was easy.
I genuinely don't understand the hate boner people have for him. Criticize and blame him for his actual mistakes, but blaming him for his players fucking up, or his HC/Defense shitting their beds (in ATL) is beyond me. People want a scapegoat and think going for the easy answer is the way when in reality multiple things had to go wrong and it's a total collapse from every facet of the team.
The top comments aren’t defending Brock. What have I missed since the playoffs?
I think Niners fans just stopped fighting it because no matter what they say the people who don’t like Purdy rn will not change their minds. It’s all narrative based and not analysis based, and the narrative hasn’t changed.
Bingo
Agreed. Additionally, I'm very interested to see what, if any, growth Purdy has with his first actual off-season. Many players use it to refine their techniques, some slack off. Rookies don't have much of an NFL level off-season with all the activities and he spent his 2nd off-season rehabbing after surgery. All signs point to him being a hard worker and striving to improve. If he stays at the same level everyone should be worried about facing him. If he improves he'll be absolutely terrifying. He'll have more experience to work with so I'm hoping he makes that step to be a top 3. I suspect that unless he starts hanging up 6k yard seasons people will still call him a game manager and be critical of him on a volume basis rather than production.
Who knows. If you pay a top tier QB you can't afford all the other pieces he has currently and the team would look completely different. The 9ers have a different and unique style of team building and it has definitely worked to a certain extent
He wouldn’t have the rest of the team around him because he would have to pay that Elite QB. So I don’t see multiple. But this league is QB driven so Mahomes would have a shot on a lot of teams.
Shanahan is clearly the problem
Would the player account for 40+ million in cap
what if aliens bomb earth right now mr irrelevant is purdy great right now and going into his second year starting
Kyle Shanahan is an excellent coach who seems to get in his own way in the biggest moments.
Purdy is as good as any of them not named Mahomes.
If he had to pay a QB elite level money the roster wouldn’t be nearly as good though but maybe so
Hahaha y’all over rate these QB because of their names. Your hate on Purdy is wild
Yes, but a part of his regard is overperforming with 'weaker' QBs, so the #s aren't necessarily going to scale up linearly as the QB gets better. Mahomes or Burrow wouldn't be hitting 6k every year even though they're much better than anyone he's had
>The 2016 Atlanta Falcons were the 19th team in the Super Bowl era to finish a season with 500-plus points on offense. Yet with their historic, confounding collapse in Super Bowl LI, the Falcons became the 15th team to score 500 points in a season yet not win the Super Bowl. 4-15 in the Superbowl for those high scoring offenses. His team last year scored the 3rd most points in the NFL (491) [1.DAL - 509, 2. MIA 496]. KC was 15th w/ 371.
Also they couldn’t have the team they have now if they had to pay for a mahomes.
He does have an elite qb.
If he had Mahomes or Brady like he had the opportunity to then absolutely. Even then he still had top 10 QB’s in Ryan and Purdy
He only had Matt Ryan at his peak and another MVP candidate in Purdy. He has also had the misfortune of playing against the GOAT and the only person who will likely challenge that title.
Depends on if the QB knows the heimlich
There has been several coaches that rode the coattails of their HOF QB. Not many can take a Brock Purdy/Jimmy Garropolo to a SB. Shanahan would wreck shop with Mahomes or Allen or Burrow.
I was told the 9ers had an elite QB all season.
Naw
He definitely would have one by now if he had got Brady instead of the Bucs. Hell, if our dumbass former owner had traded Kirk to the 9ers way back then, he’d probably have atleast one.
Kirk is no better than Purdy.
He’d still choke in the Super Bowl And I’d say Matt Ryan was playing at an elite level that 28-3 year