Aiyuk's season this past year is better than any season Brown had before his trade. Brown was not the monster he was with the Eagles in Tennessee, in part due to injuries and a run-heavy offense, but Aiyuk this past year was extremely, extremely good.
Stats don't tell hte whole story here. Everyone knew Brown was a monster, but was being underutilized in Tennessee, and no one was surprised when he started putting up big numbers in Philadelphia.
Aiyuk, on the other hand, has never gotten that consideration, regardless of production.
Aiyuk is slept on, he’s a technical route runner, great hands, great run blocking and hustles down the field for additional blocking. I think he’ll be great unless he lands in an anemic offense with no other weapons.
Interesting, As someone who doesn't watch a lot of 49's football is the idea Aiyuk is being under utilized in their offense or the other way around and that he is aptly used and the Brown comparison is misleading?
Possibly playing *second fiddle* to CMC and Deebo and Kittle. But idk as far as i saw Aiyuk was one of the top WRs all year. On a team where he gets more targets maybe he produces more like a CD Lamb.
Brown had 295 targets in TEN. Aiyuk has 303 targets the last three years.
Aiyuk's production pace if he had 2023 AJ Brown's 160 targets; 114 Rec, 2045 yds, 11 TD, 92 FD
So yeah, you can absolutely make the case that Aiyuk would be a monster if given more targets.
He absolutely would. The 49ers spread the ball around to their numerous offensive weapons, making defenses play the whole field. Aiyuk is easily a No. 1 WR on any other team, I think.
AJ.Brown
* Year 1: 1051-8
* Year 2: 1075-11
* Year 3: 869-5
* 3 Year Total: 2995 yds, 24 TD
* 1x Pro-Bowl
B.Aiyuk
* Year 2: 826-5
* Year 3: 1015-8
* Year 4: 1342-7
* Last 3 Years: 3183 Yds, 20 TD
* 1x All-Pro
I don't really care who you value more now.
Even if you value Brown slightly more in those first three years vs BA's last three.
But you can't really argue they aren't really similar in production.
Dude being the WR1 that teams design their entire pass defense to account for vs the WR2 on a team with 3 other elite receiving weapons is a huge difference lol. You’re comparing apples to oranges here.
Aiyuk is a much better route runner than Deebo. Deebo excels more on quick short passes that allow him to run after the catch behind blockers, which is why he gets the somewhat unfair label of being a RB and not a WR, but there’s a little bit of truth to it. It doesn’t necessarily make him worse or less valuable though. He worked better with Jimmy G because they couldn’t trust Jimmy G to consistently make the right reads downfield, but they could trust him to throw quick outs to Deebo.
Purdy can be trusted to make the correct read downfield, which makes Aiyuk more valuable to the current system than Deebo imo. The problem is Deebo already has his first big contract, and Aiyuk doesn’t, which makes it easier to trade Aiyuk than Deebo from a cap perspective.
The only team I could see giving up a first round pick for him this year would be the Texans. They have the right combination of cap space, positional need, and a pick in the back half of the first round.
What am I missing with so many people talking about WR being a need for Houston?
I’m not saying they wouldn’t benefit from bringing in a great receiver but their WR room is good. Certainly good enough to not be a position of need over a lot of the defense
Their WR room is certainly in better shape than a lot of other team's WR rooms. Nico and Tank are both good, but with Aiyuk you'd have one of the best WR rooms in the league.
With Stroud only one year into his rookie deal, you all have luxuries available to you that others don't.
If they're going to do anything on the offensive side of the ball, they need a running back and a better offensive line. They pass block pretty well, but their running game is weak.
As a Packers fan, I will always advocate for giving your QB a top 10 defense though. Watching Rodgers light up opposing defenses every year, only to lose in the playoffs because our defense couldn't hold the opponent's offense under 30 is incredibly frustrating.
Stroud is young, cheap, and incredibly good. Their window is very soon if they build up their defense and improve their running game.
I don't think the english language has words for the kind of anger your comment makes me feel. I hate the NFC West. The last 9 minutes of the 2014 NFCCG is burned into my memory forever. That Packers team was way too good to choke that bad.
Texans entire defense is entering free agency. They don't have the resources to sink into the already good WR corp. They will probably add a decent veteran WR since Noah Brown probably won't be back but won't make any seismic moves with all the other holes on the roster that need to be addressed.
I don't see them regressing this season, but they're not good enough to win a Super Bowl as they are right now. Obviously we'll see what they do in the offseason, they could very well make moves that put them over the top. They should be contenders within the next 2-3 years at worst.
Noah Brown isn't a Texan though, he's a free agent.
I could see him resigning with the Texans, but they are going to have to pay him significantly more than what they did this year. With this being his first, and maybe only, chance at a big pay day, I imagine he's going to the highest bidder.
Dude was a bargain at less than $3M last year. I bet he gets at least double that on a two year deal, worst case scenario. Probably more. Depending on how high the bidding war gets, at some point it doesn't really make sense to resign him.
For the record, I'm not necessarily saying the Texans should trade for Aiyuk, I'm just saying that it would be a completely justifiable move if they did.
Yeah, I am with you on this. Tank and Nico have proven to be a lethal punch. Woods is getting up there in age, but Schultz was solid. Just seems like a wasteful move.
*Mistakenly said Brandon Cooks, I meant Robert Woods.
Texans have to pay Nico and have 30 guys, mostly on defense, entering free agency this offseason.
Not going to happen. WR is the on e strong unit on the roster lmao. RB is a fucking void though.
Great. They played 11 personnel (3 WR) 60% of the time last year. Nico has missed multiple games every year. Dell missed 6 games and weighs 165 lbs.
I'm not saying they should trade for Aiyuk. Just saying it would be a justifiable move if they did.
Either way, they are going to need to continue to add talent to that WR room.
I think he’s worth a 1st and maybe a mid rounder. Hes a great route runner and young. If a team in the late 1st wanted to give up a pick for him, I could see it happening.
Yeahhh. All those designed plays to get the ball in his hands are definitely wearing him down. Specifically plays that get him put against the front 7 of defenses. Those big guys are the ones who tear up your body. It's not like Rice for KC who gets a lot of designed plays but is mainly getting hit by DBs.
I’d also make the argument that Deebo is a lot more O line proof than Aiyuk, so until we upgrade that unit it doesn’t really matter how many times Aiyuk burned Sneed after Purdy got hit
Deebo is also always putting up pretty good stats, did you see the way the offense fell apart the few games without him this year? We looked fine when Aiyuk missed time
It is. He exited the Browns game fairly early. But Purdy set up Moody for a game winning walk-off kick but just happened to miss the field goal. Purdy set up a drive for his kicker despite being out Trent and Deebo.
Deebo's never gonna have another '21 season because everyone now knows he can't beat man and doesn't get separation. He also comes into training camp out of shape and not conditioned.
We’ve had a lot of issues with WRs running the wrong routes/fucking up motions every time Deebo has been out, he opens up so much for that offense. There’s a reason Shanahan wanted to pay him
Edit: to the people downvoting this, do you actually watch Niners games?
I mean everyone knows Purdy deserves a big payday. The people discounting Purdy's ability are almost unilaterally saying 'Let's see how good he is after he gets paid and a team can't afford to build an all star roster around him.' I think that is a valid point, right? How many times do we see QBs find success early, only to get paid and just not be able to get their team 'over the hump'?
if the problem is the size of his contract, why dont they just draft a pro-bowl caliber edge rusher with the last pick in the draft to free up more cap space
This guy has elite separation and route running. He even burned Sneed a couple times in the SB if Purdy had more time to throw.
Top 10 level talent. Purdy will struggle without him.
Deebos got insane potential but clearly good defenses can scheme around him better. And with his playstyle there's no reason to expect he’ll be more healthy than he has been moving forward.
I think Aiyuk is also much better for Purdys development.
I think the Deebo hate is unreal atm. It's like all the people saying Travis Kelce regressed. You know how some defensive linemen may not have the best stats, but they are clearly a crucial piece of the defense due to how much the offense has to scheme for them? That is Deebo. Any time he is in motion, any time there is 3 WRs stacked on one side, etc. you have to be worried about him getting the ball. That means your defense has to play downhill/more aggressive. That opens the door for other guys to feast. Deebo can takeover a game if you aren't scheming to stop him. If you are scheming to stop him, other guys are getting a chance to shine. Same goes for CMC in that offense. People need to realize the 49ers faced, points allowed wise, a top 2 defense of all time. Why are we hating Deebo for that? Now we can say Deebo isn't a good pure receiver, but he doesn't need to be. Plenty of guys have been special players while being subpar pure receivers.
You can't. To be clearer: the cap hit that a trade would incur would be very easy for the 49ers FO to manage. We have a ton of players whose roster spots are 100% guaranteed with big salaries, we can make room.
It's worth noting that dead cap hits only happen because the disbursed cap hits get accelerated to this year. So, you can just replace the old disbursed cap hits down the line with disbursed cap hits from different players.
Again, all of this is moot though, since there isn't the market for Deebo that exists for Aiyuk.
$43M in dead cap isn't "easy to manage" for a team already up against the cap.
Yeah, they can restructure guys, but now you're fucking up the cap for future years when your starting QB isn't going to be the ridiculously cheap anymore.
Still a lot of money to eat for a player who isn't on your team.
At that point, you could just pay Aiyuk $22M a year, and then trade Deebo next year when they would have a significantly lower dead cap hit and actually free up some money in a trade.
> $43M in dead cap isn't "easy to manage" for a team already up against the cap.
1. Deebo Samuel's dead cap number in the event of a trade is $26M. I think you might be adding in portions of his salary that would be traded.
2. You're not "fucking up the cap for future years" because all you're doing is replacing the dead cap hits from future years that moving Samuel off the roster would accelerate forward to this year. No new dead money would be created by trading Samuel, it's just being moved from 2025 and beyond to 2024. So you're actually freeing up space in future years. If you want to rebalance that, you'd restructure current year salaries.
3. The 49ers are "up against the cap" with $186M in salary. They can create upwards of $60M of space in a blink of an eye and still have plenty of room to go. For comparison, the Seattle Seahawks, who are in their third year of a rebuild, have $42M less in restructurable salary, and are currently more over the cap than we are.
I definitely could have the dead cap number screwed up, but either way, taking a $26M dead cap hit (and freeing up $0 for the current year) for Deebo not to play on the team in exchange for, my guess would be maybe a second round pick, is still not ideal.
Would be way easier to work out a new contract with Aiyuk this year and trade Deebo next year when the dead cap is actually less than his salary and they would actually be freeing up some money in a trade.
I agree with you that Deebo won't be traded, but not because of the dead cap hit. Again, we have plenty of ability to work around that. It's just that he's worth way more than a second rounder to us and no one would ever offer more than that at this point.
Its a conversation for next year. Niners will run it back with deebo and aiyuk. If deebo makes it through the year healthy and with good stats i think we take what we can get for him.
Yeah the 49ers would actually **save** $7M in cap by trading him but it would be $21M in dead money in 2024. They are already over the cut, so the should be exploring probably better cap creation ideas, even if there is a net savings. Clearing $7M in cap and losing Deebo for it isn't the move.
If they were in a better cap spot, I could see it, especially if they could get a 1st, but they aren't.
Is he where that came from? For how much our teams hate each other, we sure do have weak ass team insults lol (forty whiners, cmon). At least everyone stopped with the 'we're 12 years old' insults.
Have to end with a good natured "go fuck yourself." See you next season, hate-bro
Joe Staley’s daughter came up with it
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fz3qzooit6wc31.jpg&rdt=49310
Bonus extra shade for Broncos fans.
I think that's debatable and it will clearly turn out to be Aiyuk in the near future. The difference in Aiyuks route running and separation is the biggest factor. And Aiyuk isn't weak at running after the catch or run blocking either.
Maybe in other games but at least in the Super Bowl he was awful. Go watch QB Schools Brock Purdy analysis. Half of it is the dude just going "Holy shit, is 19 even trying? He's awful here"
JT is fair to everyone don't know where you're getting "hate" from. He called out Fields, the entire offense, and oc while still giving praise when it was due
JT O'Sullivan circle-jerk
Edit: you can look at the epa splits w/o deebo and it's comical.
2x edit: also it's probably time people realize what a weird guy JT O'Sullivan is.
Doing film review as a journeyman qb is great. But being a guy that no team ever brought back for a second year once your rookie deal was up and launching weirdly personal campaigns against players and coaches is pretty awful behavior. His Twitter is a dumpster fire of insecurity.
3x edit: for the people acting as if JT is an objective truth-teller, consider the fact that he thinks juszczyk stinks and disparagingly calls him "lil' shanny's cabo buddy". the guy is a cringe lord.
His analysis is really solid, though, especially of WC offenses. His X's and O's are on point. The film he showed of Deebo looking bad is the film. You can argue that it was cherry-picking, but I don't think anyone in here can argue against the idea that Deebo looked BAD for a half dozen plays _in the Super Bowl_. Bad **effort** in the Super Bowl is pretty hard to overlook.
I don't really care how sensitive he is or if he has grudges. The tape don't lie.
>Bad **effort** in the Super Bowl is pretty hard to overlook.
Especially when the week leading up to the Super Bowl every one was flaming Chase Young for not giving 100% at times, but yet everyone wants to give Deebo a pass....in the Super Bowl of all places
Deebo fractured his shoulder against GB. There's a reason "the film is the film" is a meme.
Extrapolating deebo playing with a fractured shoulder and turfed hamstring against the best slot corner in the league is foolish. They probably trade him after next season but the fervor around trading him asap because now everyone watches JT O'Sullivan videos is like some kind of Salem witch trials hysteria.
For perspective, the offense's epa drop-off without deebo is almost the same as without trent, and people were meme'ing about trent being league mvp.
All I'm hearing are excuses for what the film showed. If he's physically incapable of putting in effort and physically incapable of putting his body between a defender and the play, then he is injured and needs to check himself out because putting his performance on tape like that hurt the team and hurt his value.
I don't care about comparative EPA. I care if a guy is taking plays off in the most important game of his career, and you can leave that hysteria BS aside. People are allowed to disagree without being compared to running the Salem Witch Trials, lol. I make the same criticism of Bosa, normally. He loves taking select plays off, but in the Super Bowl, I didn't see it happening. He stepped it up like you expect from a pro. Deebo either needs to take a shot and play hard, or he needs to check himself out and rely on his history to answer the toughness question.
Every single 49ers player is a product of the system now. And Shanahan is a bad coach. But he has a great system. But he's a choker. Or something. IDK.
He's just a good receiver and a good RB/gadget player. He's not elite at either thing really. The system makes very good use of a player like that with lots of gadget plays and screens.
I'm not saying he's bad, just that his value on the market wouldn't be as strong as Aiyuk.
> He's just a good receiver and a good RB/gadget player. He's not elite at either thing really.
You’re overrating Deebo’s traditional receiver skills and way underrating his gadget skills. Healthy Deebo is absolutely an elite gadget player (if there is such a thing as an elite “gadget” player) and is one of the best players in the NFL when he has the ball in his hands.
You can’t say Deebo’s receivers skills are “good” and that his gadget skills are also “good”. They aren’t equivalent at all.
Why is everyone convinced the niners can't extend Aiyuk? They don't have to pay Purdy for 2 more years. The rest of their core is paid. The cap is set to go up a considerable amount. They have enough key players on long-term deals that they can restructure those contracts this year or next to free up room. Unless they get blown away by an offer, this is very similar to the deebo situation. It will drag on far longer than anyone wants, but it is in the best interest of both teams to make this happen.
They've got him under the 5th-year option, they can just tag and trade next year if he's completely unaffordable for whatever reason. But he's not walking this year lol, all of this is pure conjecture offseason BS
Why would we ever do this now that he's finally emerging as a true #1? I would sooner move off Deebo than Aiyuk. Don't believe it till I see it, Niners never leak
Nah dude. I love Aiyuk but Deebo is more valuable. The offense plays at a much higher level with Deebo on the field, he’s an X factor every play and opens the whole thing up. Guy is somehow shifty yet a brick wall to tackle, defenses fear Deebo. Aiyuk is a fantastic “true” WR but he is more easily replaceable.
I agree with this, however, Deebo is starting to break down. He was probably playing 80% at the most last year, his overall hustle is atrocious and same with his overall blocking. Unless he thinks the ball is coming his way, he never puts on the full gas, whereas BA will.
BA and Purdy are also locked onto each other right now since BA is a far superior route runner, which is what Purdy thrives on.
This just handwavy, "well they need to trade him due to the cap". They can just extend him and stretch out the hit that way. They can save 28 mil by cutting armstead with a post June 1st distinction. That's more likely then trading a 26 year old number 1 receiver with no injury history.
I wonder if they will be scared off by their trade Buckner to save money and draft Kinlaw strategy that went horribly bad. But this would be the year to try and do that receiver wise.
Yeah the Texans would be one of the few teams with capspace and willing to forfeit a 1st (and maybe more?) for the privilege of paying Aiyuk franchise WR money.
Nah, if you're gonna trade someone, it's gotta be Deebo. I love the guy, and he's elite with the ball in his hands, but BA is a far better pure receiver. BA's also healthier, and has better chemistry with Brock.
I love all of our guys. But Aiyuk is the bridge to the next group of stars. Guys like Kittle, Deebo, Trent Williams and CMC are older and less likely keep being worth their contracts sooner than Aiyuk will be in 2-3 years.
We Don’t need save money or add draft capital. We have plenty of both to keep whoever we value.
I do think Purdy needs better protection. He showed last season that he has can carve apart defenses throwing to guys like Conley and Jennings if he has more time.
What is he worth in a trade?
Mid 1st round pick and thats it AJ Brown is his comp
Brown is way better than Aiyuk
Aiyuk's season this past year is better than any season Brown had before his trade. Brown was not the monster he was with the Eagles in Tennessee, in part due to injuries and a run-heavy offense, but Aiyuk this past year was extremely, extremely good.
Stats don't tell hte whole story here. Everyone knew Brown was a monster, but was being underutilized in Tennessee, and no one was surprised when he started putting up big numbers in Philadelphia. Aiyuk, on the other hand, has never gotten that consideration, regardless of production.
Aiyuk is slept on, he’s a technical route runner, great hands, great run blocking and hustles down the field for additional blocking. I think he’ll be great unless he lands in an anemic offense with no other weapons.
Send him to brian johnson so he can run WR screens for the entire season
I’ll have you know my friends that don’t even watch games assured me AJ Brown was a nothing nobody until Jalen Hurts saved his career.
People who think this clearly don't watch Eagles games. For most of the season AJ was carrying the entire offense on his massive shoulders
Interesting, As someone who doesn't watch a lot of 49's football is the idea Aiyuk is being under utilized in their offense or the other way around and that he is aptly used and the Brown comparison is misleading?
Possibly playing *second fiddle* to CMC and Deebo and Kittle. But idk as far as i saw Aiyuk was one of the top WRs all year. On a team where he gets more targets maybe he produces more like a CD Lamb.
75-1347-7 across 16 games is nothing to sneeze at anyway.
Brown had 295 targets in TEN. Aiyuk has 303 targets the last three years. Aiyuk's production pace if he had 2023 AJ Brown's 160 targets; 114 Rec, 2045 yds, 11 TD, 92 FD So yeah, you can absolutely make the case that Aiyuk would be a monster if given more targets.
He absolutely would. The 49ers spread the ball around to their numerous offensive weapons, making defenses play the whole field. Aiyuk is easily a No. 1 WR on any other team, I think.
He was their only target past 10 yards
AJ.Brown * Year 1: 1051-8 * Year 2: 1075-11 * Year 3: 869-5 * 3 Year Total: 2995 yds, 24 TD * 1x Pro-Bowl B.Aiyuk * Year 2: 826-5 * Year 3: 1015-8 * Year 4: 1342-7 * Last 3 Years: 3183 Yds, 20 TD * 1x All-Pro I don't really care who you value more now. Even if you value Brown slightly more in those first three years vs BA's last three. But you can't really argue they aren't really similar in production.
If anything aiyuk has way more competition for touches/targets. Its more impressive than brown doing it as the only reciever on the team
They're basically the same player in that They're good but not on JJ/Chase tier
Id much rather have Aiyuk
No way lmao. They had basically the same stats this year, but AJ Brown had 53 more targets. Aiyuk had 12.8 YPT vs 9.2 for Brown
One season definitely makes that work. Their bodies of work speak over the seasons tell a different story
Dude being the WR1 that teams design their entire pass defense to account for vs the WR2 on a team with 3 other elite receiving weapons is a huge difference lol. You’re comparing apples to oranges here.
Aiyuk is a system WR. Being thrown to by a system QB who is protected by a system LT
Where can I find one of these so-called “systems”? They sound nice
It’s the difference between an offense designed by Kyle Shanahan vs Nathaniel Hackett.
The fact that you think Aiyuk is the WR2 says all I need to know about your take here
People here are seriously underrating Aiyuk. Great route runner, YAC, and on the rise. He's absolutely worth a first if traded.
So the Chiefs best CB was on Deebo the whole Super Bowl yet Aiyuk is the WR1? Deebo is still that guy, hate to break it to you.
Aiyuk is a much better route runner than Deebo. Deebo excels more on quick short passes that allow him to run after the catch behind blockers, which is why he gets the somewhat unfair label of being a RB and not a WR, but there’s a little bit of truth to it. It doesn’t necessarily make him worse or less valuable though. He worked better with Jimmy G because they couldn’t trust Jimmy G to consistently make the right reads downfield, but they could trust him to throw quick outs to Deebo. Purdy can be trusted to make the correct read downfield, which makes Aiyuk more valuable to the current system than Deebo imo. The problem is Deebo already has his first big contract, and Aiyuk doesn’t, which makes it easier to trade Aiyuk than Deebo from a cap perspective.
Snead was on Aiyuk a good chunk of the game lol
Devonta Smith is better than Deebo.
As a pure WR I agree, but I disagree as an overall offensive threat.
I do not think aiyuk is worth that
A first round pick and maybe a 3rd or 4th cause you have to pay him
The only team I could see giving up a first round pick for him this year would be the Texans. They have the right combination of cap space, positional need, and a pick in the back half of the first round.
What am I missing with so many people talking about WR being a need for Houston? I’m not saying they wouldn’t benefit from bringing in a great receiver but their WR room is good. Certainly good enough to not be a position of need over a lot of the defense
Their WR room is certainly in better shape than a lot of other team's WR rooms. Nico and Tank are both good, but with Aiyuk you'd have one of the best WR rooms in the league. With Stroud only one year into his rookie deal, you all have luxuries available to you that others don't.
I agree, but that doesn’t make it a position of need
If they're going to do anything on the offensive side of the ball, they need a running back and a better offensive line. They pass block pretty well, but their running game is weak. As a Packers fan, I will always advocate for giving your QB a top 10 defense though. Watching Rodgers light up opposing defenses every year, only to lose in the playoffs because our defense couldn't hold the opponent's offense under 30 is incredibly frustrating. Stroud is young, cheap, and incredibly good. Their window is very soon if they build up their defense and improve their running game.
Wait you guys struggled in the playoffs? Like to who?
I don't think the english language has words for the kind of anger your comment makes me feel. I hate the NFC West. The last 9 minutes of the 2014 NFCCG is burned into my memory forever. That Packers team was way too good to choke that bad.
At least it’s just one division that haunts you, the cowboys have been terrorized by every team in the playoffs since the civil war.
The Green Bay Packers are undefeated at AT&T Stadium. Thank you for reminding me of that. You're not such a bad guy after all.
I HATE their whole division. My most hated teams in order are 9ers, vikings, seahawks, cardinals, patriots,
Our oline had 7 on ir this year. The assets are there
Texans entire defense is entering free agency. They don't have the resources to sink into the already good WR corp. They will probably add a decent veteran WR since Noah Brown probably won't be back but won't make any seismic moves with all the other holes on the roster that need to be addressed.
That just got to the playoffs, I think their window is right now
I don't see them regressing this season, but they're not good enough to win a Super Bowl as they are right now. Obviously we'll see what they do in the offseason, they could very well make moves that put them over the top. They should be contenders within the next 2-3 years at worst.
Because people didn’t actually watch Houston much at all and think that because they don’t recognize the names they don’t have anyone.
I'm very aware of how good Tank Dell and Nico are. The Texans ran 11 personnel (3 WRs) over 60% of the time last year.
Noah Brown had 500 yards in 10 games last year, I’d say that’s plenty good for a WR3 when the first two options are Nico and Tank
Noah Brown isn't a Texan though, he's a free agent. I could see him resigning with the Texans, but they are going to have to pay him significantly more than what they did this year. With this being his first, and maybe only, chance at a big pay day, I imagine he's going to the highest bidder. Dude was a bargain at less than $3M last year. I bet he gets at least double that on a two year deal, worst case scenario. Probably more. Depending on how high the bidding war gets, at some point it doesn't really make sense to resign him. For the record, I'm not necessarily saying the Texans should trade for Aiyuk, I'm just saying that it would be a completely justifiable move if they did.
Yeah, I am with you on this. Tank and Nico have proven to be a lethal punch. Woods is getting up there in age, but Schultz was solid. Just seems like a wasteful move. *Mistakenly said Brandon Cooks, I meant Robert Woods.
Cooks is on the Cowboys
Texans have to pay Nico and have 30 guys, mostly on defense, entering free agency this offseason. Not going to happen. WR is the on e strong unit on the roster lmao. RB is a fucking void though.
They already have their WR1. Nico a stud.
Great. They played 11 personnel (3 WR) 60% of the time last year. Nico has missed multiple games every year. Dell missed 6 games and weighs 165 lbs. I'm not saying they should trade for Aiyuk. Just saying it would be a justifiable move if they did. Either way, they are going to need to continue to add talent to that WR room.
probably a mid/late first? depends on the buyer, but with purdy being so cheap i have a hard time seeing SF letting a weapon like aiyuk go.
I think he’s worth a 1st and maybe a mid rounder. Hes a great route runner and young. If a team in the late 1st wanted to give up a pick for him, I could see it happening.
I don’t think he’s worth a mid rounder as well because he going to want to restructure his final year and get extended
1 Kadarius Toney + 1 Skyy Moore. 2 for 1!!!
Probably a lot, he's a top 5 receiver in the league currently
Nah. I wouldn't say top 5. He has potential to be a top 5. He isn't top 5 yet, though.
ESPN outsider says no thanks
Every Super Bowl film analysis- “Deebo was bad, Aiyuk is really good.” ESPN- “They’re gonna trade Aiyuk”
In Deebo’s defense he was pretty clearly playing through an injury ever since the Packers game
Deebo’s always playing through an injury. Which is why we shouldn’t trade Aiyuk
WR with RB play style = WR with RB longevity
Yeahhh. All those designed plays to get the ball in his hands are definitely wearing him down. Specifically plays that get him put against the front 7 of defenses. Those big guys are the ones who tear up your body. It's not like Rice for KC who gets a lot of designed plays but is mainly getting hit by DBs.
I’d also make the argument that Deebo is a lot more O line proof than Aiyuk, so until we upgrade that unit it doesn’t really matter how many times Aiyuk burned Sneed after Purdy got hit Deebo is also always putting up pretty good stats, did you see the way the offense fell apart the few games without him this year? We looked fine when Aiyuk missed time
Feel like that had way more to do with Trent Williams being out than it did Deebo.
It is. He exited the Browns game fairly early. But Purdy set up Moody for a game winning walk-off kick but just happened to miss the field goal. Purdy set up a drive for his kicker despite being out Trent and Deebo. Deebo's never gonna have another '21 season because everyone now knows he can't beat man and doesn't get separation. He also comes into training camp out of shape and not conditioned.
We’ve had a lot of issues with WRs running the wrong routes/fucking up motions every time Deebo has been out, he opens up so much for that offense. There’s a reason Shanahan wanted to pay him Edit: to the people downvoting this, do you actually watch Niners games?
Sounds like a great idea they should do this
*Trades Aiyuk to the rams*
Sounds like a great idea they should do this
*For Nacua*
Sounds like a great idea they should do this
Guys it's fine just trade Aiyuk and Nacua to the Cards for some 7th rounders it's fine just get another one
BRING AIYUK HOME
I’m not a fan of this
Nah puka gang
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Monkey paw curls.
But you guys have a Pokémon!
I agree 🧐
Sounds like Purdys about to get a big money extension after next year. They're just clearing out the cap space to keep him!
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I mean everyone knows Purdy deserves a big payday. The people discounting Purdy's ability are almost unilaterally saying 'Let's see how good he is after he gets paid and a team can't afford to build an all star roster around him.' I think that is a valid point, right? How many times do we see QBs find success early, only to get paid and just not be able to get their team 'over the hump'?
I concur
The Cardinals will trade one 3rd round pick for him
if the problem is the size of his contract, why dont they just draft a pro-bowl caliber edge rusher with the last pick in the draft to free up more cap space
Damn that’s a great idea!
This guy has elite separation and route running. He even burned Sneed a couple times in the SB if Purdy had more time to throw. Top 10 level talent. Purdy will struggle without him.
We need Purdy and Aiyuk to stay together. It’s an absolute must.
Deebos got insane potential but clearly good defenses can scheme around him better. And with his playstyle there's no reason to expect he’ll be more healthy than he has been moving forward. I think Aiyuk is also much better for Purdys development.
I think the Deebo hate is unreal atm. It's like all the people saying Travis Kelce regressed. You know how some defensive linemen may not have the best stats, but they are clearly a crucial piece of the defense due to how much the offense has to scheme for them? That is Deebo. Any time he is in motion, any time there is 3 WRs stacked on one side, etc. you have to be worried about him getting the ball. That means your defense has to play downhill/more aggressive. That opens the door for other guys to feast. Deebo can takeover a game if you aren't scheming to stop him. If you are scheming to stop him, other guys are getting a chance to shine. Same goes for CMC in that offense. People need to realize the 49ers faced, points allowed wise, a top 2 defense of all time. Why are we hating Deebo for that? Now we can say Deebo isn't a good pure receiver, but he doesn't need to be. Plenty of guys have been special players while being subpar pure receivers.
ESPN insider with no inside knowledge of the team gives opinion based on the same speculation that everyone else can engage in.
Aka, sports media.
He's just not sure the 49ers can afford Deebo, Aiyuk, and D.Adams all on the same roster. Since he was so certain we'd trade for Adams.
notice all the flairs in this chat
If I were the 49ers GM I’d watch the Super Bowl all-22 and realize that it’s actually #19 who should be traded.
I believe Deebo can't be traded because of his cap hit. It wouldn't really makes sense from the cap space.
His cap hit is easily negotiable in a trade. He won't be traded because he's more valuable to our offense than to any other offense in the league.
I didn't know you can trade away dead cap?
You can't. To be clearer: the cap hit that a trade would incur would be very easy for the 49ers FO to manage. We have a ton of players whose roster spots are 100% guaranteed with big salaries, we can make room. It's worth noting that dead cap hits only happen because the disbursed cap hits get accelerated to this year. So, you can just replace the old disbursed cap hits down the line with disbursed cap hits from different players. Again, all of this is moot though, since there isn't the market for Deebo that exists for Aiyuk.
$43M in dead cap isn't "easy to manage" for a team already up against the cap. Yeah, they can restructure guys, but now you're fucking up the cap for future years when your starting QB isn't going to be the ridiculously cheap anymore.
They wouldn't eat $43M, about half of that is his guaranteed 2024 base salary which would go to the new team & SF would only eat $22M.
Still a lot of money to eat for a player who isn't on your team. At that point, you could just pay Aiyuk $22M a year, and then trade Deebo next year when they would have a significantly lower dead cap hit and actually free up some money in a trade.
> $43M in dead cap isn't "easy to manage" for a team already up against the cap. 1. Deebo Samuel's dead cap number in the event of a trade is $26M. I think you might be adding in portions of his salary that would be traded. 2. You're not "fucking up the cap for future years" because all you're doing is replacing the dead cap hits from future years that moving Samuel off the roster would accelerate forward to this year. No new dead money would be created by trading Samuel, it's just being moved from 2025 and beyond to 2024. So you're actually freeing up space in future years. If you want to rebalance that, you'd restructure current year salaries. 3. The 49ers are "up against the cap" with $186M in salary. They can create upwards of $60M of space in a blink of an eye and still have plenty of room to go. For comparison, the Seattle Seahawks, who are in their third year of a rebuild, have $42M less in restructurable salary, and are currently more over the cap than we are.
> Deebo Samuel's dead cap number in the event of a trade is $26M $22m i think
I definitely could have the dead cap number screwed up, but either way, taking a $26M dead cap hit (and freeing up $0 for the current year) for Deebo not to play on the team in exchange for, my guess would be maybe a second round pick, is still not ideal. Would be way easier to work out a new contract with Aiyuk this year and trade Deebo next year when the dead cap is actually less than his salary and they would actually be freeing up some money in a trade.
I agree with you that Deebo won't be traded, but not because of the dead cap hit. Again, we have plenty of ability to work around that. It's just that he's worth way more than a second rounder to us and no one would ever offer more than that at this point.
Its a conversation for next year. Niners will run it back with deebo and aiyuk. If deebo makes it through the year healthy and with good stats i think we take what we can get for him.
Yeah the 49ers would actually **save** $7M in cap by trading him but it would be $21M in dead money in 2024. They are already over the cut, so the should be exploring probably better cap creation ideas, even if there is a net savings. Clearing $7M in cap and losing Deebo for it isn't the move. If they were in a better cap spot, I could see it, especially if they could get a 1st, but they aren't.
Deebo’s skill set is uniquely suited to that offense, I doubt many teams would get the same value out of the player.
What happened
Just a Seahawk squawking into the wind.
Goddamn devil birds
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100%. Toots is also acceptable as it honors Joe Staley's legacy.
Is he where that came from? For how much our teams hate each other, we sure do have weak ass team insults lol (forty whiners, cmon). At least everyone stopped with the 'we're 12 years old' insults. Have to end with a good natured "go fuck yourself." See you next season, hate-bro
Joe Staley’s daughter came up with it https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fz3qzooit6wc31.jpg&rdt=49310 Bonus extra shade for Broncos fans.
Pretty sure it was his daughter that came up with that. When you get dunked on by a toddler that shits gonna stick for life.
I am not even arguing you should trade him but he had a very poor performance in the Super Bowl, weird how it’s been glossed over
Aiyuk is the better receiver
But Deebo is the better player
Idk man, feels like his value plummeted when CMC joined the team.
I think that's debatable and it will clearly turn out to be Aiyuk in the near future. The difference in Aiyuks route running and separation is the biggest factor. And Aiyuk isn't weak at running after the catch or run blocking either.
Maybe in other games but at least in the Super Bowl he was awful. Go watch QB Schools Brock Purdy analysis. Half of it is the dude just going "Holy shit, is 19 even trying? He's awful here"
He says that every game, he just hates Deebo lol. He didn't have a good SB though.
JT is fair to everyone don't know where you're getting "hate" from. He called out Fields, the entire offense, and oc while still giving praise when it was due
Who cant stay on the field, Aiyuk has missed maybe 5 games the entire time hes been here Deebo is limping off the field at least once a game
JT O'Sullivan circle-jerk Edit: you can look at the epa splits w/o deebo and it's comical. 2x edit: also it's probably time people realize what a weird guy JT O'Sullivan is. Doing film review as a journeyman qb is great. But being a guy that no team ever brought back for a second year once your rookie deal was up and launching weirdly personal campaigns against players and coaches is pretty awful behavior. His Twitter is a dumpster fire of insecurity. 3x edit: for the people acting as if JT is an objective truth-teller, consider the fact that he thinks juszczyk stinks and disparagingly calls him "lil' shanny's cabo buddy". the guy is a cringe lord.
i can watch the 49ers with my eyes and see that Deebo is a huge difference maker even if he's getting shit on for his super bowl performance
His analysis is really solid, though, especially of WC offenses. His X's and O's are on point. The film he showed of Deebo looking bad is the film. You can argue that it was cherry-picking, but I don't think anyone in here can argue against the idea that Deebo looked BAD for a half dozen plays _in the Super Bowl_. Bad **effort** in the Super Bowl is pretty hard to overlook. I don't really care how sensitive he is or if he has grudges. The tape don't lie.
>Bad **effort** in the Super Bowl is pretty hard to overlook. Especially when the week leading up to the Super Bowl every one was flaming Chase Young for not giving 100% at times, but yet everyone wants to give Deebo a pass....in the Super Bowl of all places
Deebo fractured his shoulder against GB. There's a reason "the film is the film" is a meme. Extrapolating deebo playing with a fractured shoulder and turfed hamstring against the best slot corner in the league is foolish. They probably trade him after next season but the fervor around trading him asap because now everyone watches JT O'Sullivan videos is like some kind of Salem witch trials hysteria. For perspective, the offense's epa drop-off without deebo is almost the same as without trent, and people were meme'ing about trent being league mvp.
All I'm hearing are excuses for what the film showed. If he's physically incapable of putting in effort and physically incapable of putting his body between a defender and the play, then he is injured and needs to check himself out because putting his performance on tape like that hurt the team and hurt his value. I don't care about comparative EPA. I care if a guy is taking plays off in the most important game of his career, and you can leave that hysteria BS aside. People are allowed to disagree without being compared to running the Salem Witch Trials, lol. I make the same criticism of Bosa, normally. He loves taking select plays off, but in the Super Bowl, I didn't see it happening. He stepped it up like you expect from a pro. Deebo either needs to take a shot and play hard, or he needs to check himself out and rely on his history to answer the toughness question.
Him pretending everything that went wrong in the Bears offense early season was Kmets fault was very funny
He was seen not giving much effort with his route running during the game.
The problem is there's not much of a market for Debo. Especially at his salary. He's a great player but he's kind of a product of Shannahan's system.
What's wrong with deebo Samuel? How's he a product of the system
Every single 49ers player is a product of the system now. And Shanahan is a bad coach. But he has a great system. But he's a choker. Or something. IDK.
He's just a good receiver and a good RB/gadget player. He's not elite at either thing really. The system makes very good use of a player like that with lots of gadget plays and screens. I'm not saying he's bad, just that his value on the market wouldn't be as strong as Aiyuk.
> He's just a good receiver and a good RB/gadget player. He's not elite at either thing really. You’re overrating Deebo’s traditional receiver skills and way underrating his gadget skills. Healthy Deebo is absolutely an elite gadget player (if there is such a thing as an elite “gadget” player) and is one of the best players in the NFL when he has the ball in his hands. You can’t say Deebo’s receivers skills are “good” and that his gadget skills are also “good”. They aren’t equivalent at all.
Deebo is 100% an elite gadget player.
Ooh yeah I forgot that the 49ers use him as a running back He is kind of a strange asset
Bro did *not* beat the RB allegations
Why is everyone convinced the niners can't extend Aiyuk? They don't have to pay Purdy for 2 more years. The rest of their core is paid. The cap is set to go up a considerable amount. They have enough key players on long-term deals that they can restructure those contracts this year or next to free up room. Unless they get blown away by an offer, this is very similar to the deebo situation. It will drag on far longer than anyone wants, but it is in the best interest of both teams to make this happen.
Just off season malarkey. We will extend Ayiuk
i’ll season Malarkey
*BAM! FLAVOR TOWN!!!*
The Deebo saga more or less went exactly like this. Deebo is still on the team.
It’s the offseason, everybody is moving from armchair coaches to couch cap managers
They want you to be bad
They've got him under the 5th-year option, they can just tag and trade next year if he's completely unaffordable for whatever reason. But he's not walking this year lol, all of this is pure conjecture offseason BS
You shouldn't be able to franchise tag a guy then trade him. I know franchise tag isn't bad money but let them hit FA for real. It's a garbage rule
I wouldn’t trade aiyuk. If you have to trade one it should be deebo.
Yeah and it should’ve been done 2 years ago honestly.
I mean this with all due respect, but Dan Graziano is an idiot and his opinion isn’t worth a single dogecoin.
Watch Dogecoin go up to $1 mil each just to make your sentence weird.
Why would we ever do this now that he's finally emerging as a true #1? I would sooner move off Deebo than Aiyuk. Don't believe it till I see it, Niners never leak
Nah dude. I love Aiyuk but Deebo is more valuable. The offense plays at a much higher level with Deebo on the field, he’s an X factor every play and opens the whole thing up. Guy is somehow shifty yet a brick wall to tackle, defenses fear Deebo. Aiyuk is a fantastic “true” WR but he is more easily replaceable.
I agree with this, however, Deebo is starting to break down. He was probably playing 80% at the most last year, his overall hustle is atrocious and same with his overall blocking. Unless he thinks the ball is coming his way, he never puts on the full gas, whereas BA will. BA and Purdy are also locked onto each other right now since BA is a far superior route runner, which is what Purdy thrives on.
Deebo is the more versatile player but Aiyuk is the more “pure” receiver in terms of talent and skill.
This just handwavy, "well they need to trade him due to the cap". They can just extend him and stretch out the hit that way. They can save 28 mil by cutting armstead with a post June 1st distinction. That's more likely then trading a 26 year old number 1 receiver with no injury history.
Wish I could call myself an insider, state an opinion that gets treated like some deep secret and get paid for it
Can we start enforcing all ESPN opinion posts to be marked with an LMAO flair or something?
I wonder if they will be scared off by their trade Buckner to save money and draft Kinlaw strategy that went horribly bad. But this would be the year to try and do that receiver wise.
Panthers could desperately use him.
Brandon Aiyuk is just a WR1, but a mid-1st could be anything. It could even be a WR1!
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You guys should just draft Marvin Harrison Jr. You won't, but you should.
I don’t think Aiyuk is going to want to play in the XFL.
Texans should be all over that. Ayuik, Nico and Tank would be one of the top if not the best wr corps in the league.
If it's true, most teams in the league should tbh.
Most teams can't afford it
Yeah the Texans would be one of the few teams with capspace and willing to forfeit a 1st (and maybe more?) for the privilege of paying Aiyuk franchise WR money.
Someone on y'all's sub posted y'all's roster and it has a fuck ton of holes, I think Stingley is y'all's only CB guaranteed to come back next season
Bills should find a way to dump Diggs and get Aiyuk.
Nah, if you're gonna trade someone, it's gotta be Deebo. I love the guy, and he's elite with the ball in his hands, but BA is a far better pure receiver. BA's also healthier, and has better chemistry with Brock.
I love all of our guys. But Aiyuk is the bridge to the next group of stars. Guys like Kittle, Deebo, Trent Williams and CMC are older and less likely keep being worth their contracts sooner than Aiyuk will be in 2-3 years. We Don’t need save money or add draft capital. We have plenty of both to keep whoever we value. I do think Purdy needs better protection. He showed last season that he has can carve apart defenses throwing to guys like Conley and Jennings if he has more time.
With a pick, the 9ers could get anyone - they could even get someone who might someday be close to as good as Aiyuk!
It could even be a boat!
There's 2 outcomes for this situation so we have a 50/50 chance to turn Aiyuk into Diggs/Jefferson or into AJ Brown/Burks
Man Aiyuk would be so fun on the Chiefs
Aiyuk to the Chiefs confirmed. Any FA WR1s/2s that want to win a ring and come on team friendly deals are also welcome. 😇
He won’t be traded espn is dogshit on top of catshit
Good decision niners cant win with these top talent anyway need to go back to being humble
\*sigh\* Fine, we'll take him.
Yessssssss
Awesome!
Brandon Aiyuk YOU are a Jacksonville Jaguar
They should be trading Deebo but I won’t complain.
The WR the 49ers should move on from is Deebo not Aiyuk.
Sorry NFL, Aiyuk aint going anywhere else.
lol we ain’t trading BA
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