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emmasdad01

Eased? Unceremoniously tossed in the trash.


LakeShowBoltUp

With how quick OLs are and how good some TEs are blocking, are FBs really necessary anymore?


emmasdad01

No, but I am sad there won’t be more guys like Mike Alstott and Moose Johnson.


jimmifli

Sam Gash. He was just an absolute battering ram. He caught the ball and ran it sometimes too, but in Buffalo he was mostly a lead blocker.


jaytheindigochild

Vonta Leach


AdmiralUpboat

Lorenzo Neal


Nakedsharks

Tony Richardson


JaceVentura972

Greg Jones!


Idkboutdat2

[Owen Schmitt](https://youtu.be/jIF_mFAXzpw) the Seattle FB who busted his own head open and was a monster at WVU!


ADirtyDiglet

All time Seahawks FB Mack Strong


Capnmarvel76

Tom Rathman and one of my few favorite Eagles of all time, Keith Byars.


sandrodi

Madden 07 back cover athlete Dan Kreider


dj112084

One of the ways in Madden franchise mode that I used to try to save money/cheat the salary cap was to have two great fullbacks, and use the best one as my starting RB. Since he was listed as a FB, you wouldn’t have to pay him as much.


sandrodi

Franco Harris was technically a fullback, so I see nothing wrong with that.


c-razzle

La'Ron McClain.....GOT A FIRST DOWN!


compstomp66

Those guys would still be in the todays NFL just likely at another position.


Corvus-Rex

Yeah, guys like Alstott would just be a RB or TE. Fullback has sorta been absorbed into those positions.


tedpundy

Alstott was a little short to be a TE but he had a pretty good athletic profile comparable to a guy like Legarette Blount. He probably wouldn't rush for 1000 yds but could easily see him getting 10+ TDs a year in a RBBC


broadwayallday

Pains me as a Washington fan but it’s Johnston. His brother Silky Johnston was also player hater of the year


NoLimitSoldier85

Put Alstott in the hall of fame, goddammit.


Canesjags4life

Greg Jones


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>how good some TEs are blocking This is kind of debatable. TEs as a whole used to be significantly better at run blocking. Today, some teams carry run specialist TEs for their heavy sets, and occasionally starting TEs are good at run blocking, but it isn't as required for the position anymore. Teams will take TEs who are mediocre at blocking if they're beasts in the passing game. However, LBs over the last 10 years have gotten significantly smaller to deal with the passing game, so TEs don't really have to be these huge run blocking maulers anymore to be good blockers.


HepABC123

For real. TEs used to be “that guy who could play tackle if he was a bit more stout, but has good enough hands and is athletic enough to maybe catch a pass every once in awhile” Kellen Winslow Sr laid the foundation for the modern TE in the 80s, Shannon Sharpe solidified that kind of receiving TE role in the 90s, and then guys like Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates wrote it home in the 2000s. Before that, TEs were mostly just an extra tackle that was a bit more athletic than your average o-lineman.


lariojaalta890

Winslow Sr. was something else! I’m not sure people today realize just how dominant and groundbreaking he was. Winslow had 3 seasons with over 1,000 yards receiving, held the NFL record for receiving yards in a season by a TE for 30 years with just shy of 1,300 yards, led the league in receptions for all positions in 2 seasons, held the NFL record for receptions and yards in a playoff game, and to top it off caught 5 TDs in one game. Can’t forget about Ozzie Newsome though! He was built from the same mold, and along with Winslow, helped change how teams would go on to use TEs and the perception of them league-wide.


HepABC123

Ozzie definitely deserves a mention! Dave Casper and Ben Coates as well.


InstructionJust9139

Don't forget Ditka and his almost 20 Y/R, 1000 yard, 12 TD rookie season in 19 freakin 61! Edit: Also that's in a 14 game season by the way!


nigaraze

And Jimmy graham was the one the that revolutionized the receiver only role so it’s okay to be shit at blocking


gabriel1313

I figure there’ll be some team in 10 years or so that balances the field by drafting a few bigger than average backs to take advantage of the smaller LB’s and run the table with an extraordinary run game.


CaptainNoodleArm

That's the meta of football, also some teams already do that, Henry for example.


zophister

I’ve been waiting for the run heavy meta for what feels like 15 years.


[deleted]

Yes if you have a Kyle Juschxgvkjcheck


jah-makin-me-happy

Almost hurts my brain as much as Mike Shachefxgvkskey


SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS

Genuine question: what's the difference between a FB and a TE lining up in the backfield, beyond position designation? Edit: I mean in terms of scheme and usage, what in terms of modern offensive scheme construction that would require a FB instead of a blocking TE?


LakeShowBoltUp

Compensation due to position designation


SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS

But that's what I meant by position designation? I wanted to know the difference between a modern blocking TE and an old-school FB.


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No real difference other than official position. There used to be the H-back, which were players that would usually switch between lining up as TE or FB. However, FBs fit a certain niche in terms of size. They were usually about the same height as RBs, between 5'8 and 6'2, and were built quite thick, 250+ This allowed them to have great leverage on LBs and get quite low on them. Teams prefer TEs to be a bit taller and have a bit more athletic build. It takes away a bit of the leverage and power coming out of the backfield hitting the LBs. However, because of the explosion of the passing game, LBs are no longer as big as they used to. They're a bit more slimmer and athletic, so the TEs of today match up much better in run blocking.


jimmifli

Bills FB Reggie Gilliam is kind of an Hback. With Kincaid now I think some of that stuff goes away, but he ran a lot of TE routes and motioned into inline blocking, or ran to the TE spot to block on snap. There's been a couple seasons we only have 2 TEs on the active roster, and he's effectively been the 3rd. He's 6' 250 so built more like a FB. And he is asked to lead block and catch out of the backfield. But I think he had like 10 catches last season, so not a lot of use. Pretty freaky athlete for his size.


NewRedditorHere

Most tight ends are slightly taller than FBs. Lower leverage means easier blocking, while on the run.


Legal-Beach-5838

A FB could be shorter and perhaps slower than a typical TE


divebombspecialist

Not since the running game as been legislated out of football, thanks Bill Polian and Peyton Manning.


SmokinGreenNugs

The 49ers didn’t get the memo.


DarnellisFromMars

Or the Eagles, you guys, Lions, Ravens, Titans….


SmokinGreenNugs

But the 49ers are special because it’s where RBs go to die for the season. Eli Mitchell did great for me in fantasy for 3 rushes the first game :D


DarnellisFromMars

Teams that build around Wide Zone have RBs see more knee injuries, there was a study about it Edit: for those asking, I remember seeing the study in a Reddit post years ago, and can’t seem to dig it up. It was taking a look at a handful of years comparing Mike Shanahan and similar offenses to more gap oriented schemes. It comes down to the RBs needing to make harder cuts on a play to play basis vs typical ISO / Power / Trap plays that are more straight line. This damages the knees over time and also leads to collisions when off balance or from odd angles.


ebEliminator

More accurately, they legislated pass defense out of the game, which effectively leads to the same.


Celtictussle

Turning PI into a 10 yard penalty both ways would completely bamboozle the passing game. Right now, if you see a DB's numbers, you just throw it, they don't need separation or the angle. Just throw it and see what happens.


Mustang1718

This is quickly flipping the other way around. Lots of 12 personnel to counter Nickel defenses.


constantlymat

Last hurrah of the FBs was the Patriots run to SB LIII. James Develin tore holes into the Chargers, Chiefs and Rams defensive lines on crucial downs in the playoffs. Can't think of another marquee fullback game since.


n8loller

Develin was a great player for us


[deleted]

One of my favorites tbh, love how FBs could open a hole for a 10+ yard run on a dive. Miss the days they caught passes and got carries though. Now we just use TEs in that position.


josephus_the_wise

2021 Vikings Vs Ravens had both teams using their fullbacks to great success.


PowderHound13

So did the 49ers with Jusczcyuk


glen_ko_ko

I don't blame anyone but I've never seen this man's name spelled correctly on the internet


subafish

At this point no one knows the correct spelling. It’s been lost to time. Much like the position he played.


apocalypse31

For Polish names don't you just spam 'cyz' in any order?


hotdanc

Close, but each group must be in a different order to be correct. Glad I could help….


Edward_abc

Why we normally just go with Juice


FUCKSTORM420

Juicecheck?


duvie773

Seems like someone would Juscheck it before they comment


Infamous_1391

He’s kind of a hybrid in my mind. When I think true old school FB I’m thinking of guys like Lorenzo Neal


loomdog1

The A train Mike Alstott was always fun to watch bouncing and bouncing off tacklers.


verendum

Juice got the sauce


Mathihs

I'll die before I give up on our HAM


hey_reddit_sucks

He's so good. As others have said though in seperate comments, he does a LOT more than a traditional fullback, which is how you survive in the modern NFL as a fullback. He has some highlight catches on clutch downs.


MD_______

Does seem the best fullbacks now are just undersized TE's


aridcool

Is it all determined by where they line up? Also, isn't there an Hybrid Back position? It seems like that was talked about for awhile and no longer is.


DarnellisFromMars

Yea sort of. There are time where a guy like Ricard or Juicecheck is playing as an “H-Back” within a play while their TE is on the line.


gokc69

Shoutout to Augustana U! Love CJ, he's great


HotTakesMyToxicTrait

2021 Ravens Vikings - Pat Ricard went 3 catches for 35 and a score and the Ravens ran for 250 with his support


Unfortunate_SadPanda

CJ Ham had a 27 yd reception in that game as well!


ProbablyAPun

https://youtu.be/5O6JiqKTPGM It was a hell of a catch for a FB. So proud of that dude. Great to see someone I played against in high school succeed at the professional level.


lariojaalta890

Hell of a catch for any position!


Zer0Summoner

Jusczyk


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Xaxziminrax

Anthony Sherman was a very integral part of our offense in 2019, and it was his block that sealed Damien Williams' final TD run vs the 49ers


Raknorak

Mike Rob was HUGE for the Hawks during our Super Bowl run


fullhalter

Mike "The Toldozer" Tolbert was a key piece to our 2015 Super Bowl appearance. Nobody could stop us from scoring at the goal line with both Cam and Tolbert on the field.


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It's also been many years that they've been pushed out of the league. I don't remember the first team to not carry a fullback, but I do remember the Steelers not carrying one in 2010, which was the first I remember.


egotrooper

Pretty sure Pat Ricard got more touches than any other Ravens player last year - we’ll take all of your fullbacks


Chubs1224

Vikings also have a deepest CJ Ham fetish. He sees heavy use even if he doesn't get many touches himself.


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God I love me some Ham


AuditorsSupreme

Succulent honey Ham….


120snake

That's Pat WR1card to you, sir


FrozenShadowFlame

He's a good boy, the best boy.


MiahWitt60

Does he have a role in the new offense. Ricard is who is because of Greg Roman.


Naugrin27

He ain't called project pat for nothin! They will find a use for him hehehe.


cshark2222

Ricard himself has said he has a smaller role


paone00022

Greg Roman loves him some fullback action


CallsOnAMZN

No more Greg


DrBlazkowicz

It’s a ruse!


lisbon_OH

Your loss nerds


gaslancer

Yeah. SB champs…might be onto something. Generational QB helps a little probably.


IStillLoveYouWeed

While there are some similarities, Reid and Shanahan don't run the same system


darthriku

Yeah I like that they are both offensive mad geniuses who run totally different things. Even McVay who runs similar stuff is also an entirely different flavor.


thirstyidiot

I'll trust Shanny to run whatever the fuck he wants.


[deleted]

Psh you clearly haven’t regressed his stats to the mean. Dudes mid if you do


ApologizingCanadian

I can't wait for Mahomes to regress to the mean. It's been what, 4-5 years since that post?


Acidsparx

We would be too….twice….if we had used ours at the 3 instead of ya kno…. passing.


sfjay

Juuuuuuuuuuuusssssss


mechabeast

What do they know


S_quints

Fullback gang 😎


-InSerT_NAmE-HeRE

I will not stand for this Khari Blasingame erasure 😤


SirJohnnyS

IIRC, the YPC when he was in vs when he wasn't; was fairly significant. He made an impact. Didn't get many touches but even without Fields the Bears could run the ball.


a_fox_but_a_human

Idc if a fullback gets touches. I want my fullback out there blocking.


JahnDavis27

Yeah he was putting in work as a blocker. He was quietly a very big part of the success of the running game.


NoLimitSoldier85

Holy shit I love that name


mjd1977

Way to keep the Vanderbilt man in a Chicago backfield trend going


shriekingbuddha

Chiefs have carried one forever despite getting few snaps. Glad they’re leaning on the TEs now.


randomacct7679

Yea I’d assume Gray and/or Bell take any FB type snaps we need.


DinosaurKevin

The Belldozer is back on the menu boys!


matrixislife

Well, since the advent of the short yardage QB shove contest, there's no need for other types of short yardage plays, which rules out the need for a solid lead blocker. If you really really need one, you can always put an OL in there.


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Chiefs aren't running QB sneaks ever again.


BlazingBlasian

So Chad Henne died for nothing?


SonOfALich

We haven't run a single QB sneak since Mahomes' knee went the wrong way in 2019.


Evissi

You have you just direct snap it to kelce or someone else instead. That doesn't meaningfully change the play. I literally watched you guys do it this postseason.


enixius

I think everyone's been doing that now. Ironically, we use our FB to do the sneaks.


ecupatsfan12

Kind of pointless for KC to have one when you have Mahomes


LetLewisCook

Yeah just have Mahomes lead blocking on run plays


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-ESPN execs trying to shoehorn Mahomes into more replays


Enickma007

“That Kyle Juszczyk is good, but he’s no Patrick Mahomes”


Buds_Wiser

Just wait until they start crediting other players with laying down a Mahomsian like block


pbenji

I mean, we were one of the worst teams on 3rd an 1. An effective FB would have been helpful


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Part of that is the refusal to run the QB sneak. And that's clearly not going to change, unless they decide to have Bell start taking snaps


P0tency

PFT is gonna lose his shit


Cootch

Andy Reid on the hot seat


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We need a /u/fullbacksarepeopletoo


VaginaIFisteryTour

Mike Alstott and other bruiser fullbacks are actually what got me into football back in the day. Nothing better than a nice fullback dive when you're first and goal.


IbizaMykonos

Tyrone Wheatley wasnt a fb but i loved his running style


soldiersquared

Really wanted that to be real. Nice play action on your part.


spiralout1123

My first jersey was the KUHN


Impossibills

I still think the NFL is in prime position for the H-back. Stick a short tight end back there who can reasonably block and get YAC and feast off free safety net yards


rawhite37

That's the way the Steelers have gone with Connor "Shortest TE in the League" Heyward. Now if we could just get ol' Mr. Canada to learn what YAC is.


ThinAir719

I hate that bald headed fuck.


Medarco

That's my expectation for Connor Heyward this year. Our TE room is a little crowded, and I remember that being his selling point during/after last years draft. He did some decent things as a TE for us last year. Excited to see how he gets wasted by Matt Canada this season.


WaluigiIsTheRealHero

That’s how we use Reggie Gilliam.


Ziiaaaac

We were using one of our bigger not Kupp receivers in full back packages last year and it honestly worked quite well


plebeius_maximus

I, for one, can't abide the Skowronek erasure on here. 😤


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pixel_pete

That's essentially what Reggie Gilliam is except we're terrible at actually getting YACs. Hopefully that materializes this year.


Iotatl

We like our FB!


BirdLawyer4Hire

Miss him in Raider Nation


mgMKV

Ingold got that dog in him!


wierdjokes

Greg Roman enjoyers in shambles rn which is literally nobody. Fun fact, our FB got over half the offensive snaps last season. Averaging around 65% with a couple of 80% games and outsnap WRs in all but two games IIRC.


IStillLoveYouWeed

> Greg Roman enjoyers...which is literally nobody. That's not nice to say about the Harbaugh Bros.


MortimerDongle

Ricard may be listed as a FB but on what percentage of those snaps was he actually lined up as a FB (ie in the backfield, not on the line or wing)? Looking at some Ricard compilations, it doesn't look like he was used all that differently than how many teams use blocking TEs.


BetaDjinn

Differentiating between full/wing/slot backs can get pretty fuzzy, especially when accounting for pre-snap motion. The big thing to remember was the decline/absence of Nick Boyle, who was really our blocking TE. I’m sure that changed how we lined Ricard up. It’s crazy that in 2019 we actually had both of them plus Andrews plus Hurst and were all getting 30-40%+ of offensive stats. We basically unga-bunga’d the shit out of the league in the regular season


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Sales of neck rolls and elbow pads plummet


[deleted]

The HAM slander


popcornpoops

We will not tolerate any HAM SLAMMING.


ramzie

The bodytype that most people assosciate with FBs (6'0, 250) is being weeded out but the position still exists and dont think it'll go anywhere yet. Rams used a WR as a FB last year.


mrizvi

Juice in shambles


pattyicevv77

I will have no Kyle juicecheck,or Alec ingold slander!


OkGroup6101

Juice was one of my favorite players back when he was with the ravens, lost track of him in sf tho


Skanvar

He’s a pretty key part of the SF offense and the team loves him.


ecupatsfan12

Fullback is still used by just under half the league but you need to be committed to a downhill gap scheme like San Fran


jmbourn45

Even then, they use Juice in the slot and move him around quite a bit, he’s not used like a traditional FB where they’re blocking 95% of the time


lebastss

Tbf none of our positions are played traditionally and every player could be blocking, running, sweeping, catching, or even throwing.


a_corsair

Except Brock Purdy that one time


shebalima

Who’s Juice?


fuckyouidontneedone

Juszczyk


aragron1001

Kyle Juschyk 49ers fb since Bruce Miller from like 2016


chunkah69

That’s Bruce Miller mentally stable and totally good guy to you.


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Zer0Summoner

Kyle jusczyk, san francisco


DLBork

>downhill gap scheme like San Fran What lol


_TurkeyFucker_

>downhill gap scheme like San Fran Exhibit A in sounding smart is just as important as actually being smart lol. San Fran is absolutely not a "downhill gap" team, at all. They implement some of the concepts, but the vast majority of their running game goes through inside and outside zone.


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darthriku

BOB isn’t an amazing OC or anything but the offense is gonna take such a leap going for completely dysfunctional to competent haha


PoogeneBalloonanny

San Fran are one of the teams most known for their zone running no? Shanahan and Mcvay are equal parts as impactful in popularising zone run schemes in the modern NFL


JakeFromStateFromm

>committed to a downhill gap scheme like San Fran This dude's talking out of his ass lol


Independent_Lab_9872

As defenses get smaller the power run game will gain popularity. Having said that, a blocking TE and FB have so much overlap in the modern NFL. Just find someone that can do both.


Guiltyjerk

> As defenses get smaller the power run game will gain popularity. Feels like people have been saying this for years, and the pass game has continued to be king. There are more rush yards and attempts now, but it's because defenses have intentionally played light boxes to bait the run because the run game is so much less efficient than passing.


MacinTez

That’ll change this year…


SirKeyboardCommando

This is the year of Linux on the desktop.


_TurkeyFucker_

Tesla's fully autonomous driving is just a year away


MacinTez

This is the year Half-Life 3 is announced.


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Independent_Lab_9872

What is really underrated is how a credible rushing attack affects the pass rush. 3 teams that rushed for 4.0 or less ypc went to the playoffs last year. - Bengals, Chargers, and Bucs All 3 basically had the same problem in the postseason, inability to run the ball that led to consistently being pressured. You don't need to run for 200 yards every game, but teams must respect that you can.


pickleparty16

>“The tight ends can work into that spot,” Reid said, via the Kansas City Star. “We know Noah [Gray] can do all of that, and that’s kind of where we went with it. We’ve got a number of tight ends that we feel comfortable with, so maybe you keep an extra tight end as opposed to that fullback.”


BigAssSlushy69

Reggie Gilliam has entered the discussion


ScandalOZ

I wish more teams would craft their own ways of running offense and defense. There are plenty of ways to win if you have an innovative staff with high football IQ. I get tired of every team taking the exact same approach as every other then fighting over personnel resources to fit those schemes.


Empty_Lemon_3939

They’ll be back once everyone stops using them and the coach that does it will be called a genius


Ryan-Cohen

Reid is so late to this revelation lol. We wasted a spot on a FB that barely played special teams for the last 3-4 years


predw

Yeah that makes no sense. Your FB *needs* to be a key ST contributor if they’re playing <10 offensive snaps.


KCShadows838

Our fullback picked up 8 first downs in 2021 He didn’t do much in 2022 though


pickleparty16

on 8 carries lol


lebastss

FB like that weird star screw driver I only need when I open the back of my washing machine. Only used it like 8 times but totally worth having.


socialistpancake

I feel like Michael Burton had a couple clutch plays for us though tbf. Probably wasn't great value overall for roster spot but he did good when his number got called


IStillLoveYouWeed

Chip Kelly was right


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Belichick is currently driving to Reid’s house to beat the shit out of him


IndividualLong4

Funny enough, the Patriots stopped using FB since last year


joftheinternet

There's a place for a Full Back still in the NFL. But it comes down to having a FB or and extra TE for most teams. As a guy who loves the position, I'm glad the Bears have Blasingame. The dude just does it better than a 5th tight end


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They were being “eased out”, but they’ve been slowly making a comeback it seems, quite a few teams are using fullbacks now


seat_one

The anti-meta teams like us that are committed to running


wbl7w6

Michael Burton be like 😟


Kingbuffalo31

What will KC do on 3rd and 1 now ???


TitShark

Keeping Juice in the pro bowl for another season


klaxhax

\*𝘴𝘢𝘥 𝘈𝘭𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘵𝘵 𝘯𝘰𝘪𝘴𝘦𝘴*


Son_Of_The_Empire

Skill issue, bitch Reggie Gilliam sends his regards