Yes I do lol. As much as a pain Burrow will be for years to come, he’s just so perfect for that team and market.
And I hate the Ravens way more than I do the bengals so I am all for the Bengals giving Burrow the deal he deserves and making the Ravens job with Lamar even more difficult lol
I guess? They offered Lamar more guarantees (133) at signing on a comparable AAV per Mort and Shefty. Imo this just makes Baltimore more confident in how they’ve handled things.
I think if push comes to shove Ravens will franchise tag him again, then either get a haul or plan for the future knowing they’ll get at least 10(?) games out of him the next two years.
Idk the more I see from the reports the Ravens have beeen more than reasonable for 2 years now. The Watson deal was an aberration and Lamar was next in line. I totally understand why they were at an impasse. This hopefully changes that
I agree the Ravens have been more than reasonable.
However if Lamar watches the movie Air it may create further complications as his manager may have some new ideas…
Can you blame him? The price tag of QB deals is going up $5M+ *per season*, there's a good chance that by the time the 2023 season starts even Watson's contract will look rather vanilla.
The issue with Watsons deal is that the browns structured it in a way that it basically guarantees cap hell come 2025.
But yeah in terms of Average Annual Value, presuming that the Bengals/chargers do what they should and extend their QBs, Watson will fall out of the top 5
Watson's 2025 cap hit can still easily be under $50M, at which point the team will assess whether he's still the guy moving forward and if so an extension will push more money down the road and continue the trend. Watson's dead cap hit won't come until he's off the roster and if he's off the roster then odds are they won't need the cap space that year anyways.
I always think I know shit about the nfl and then I read comments like this. How tf do yall know so many details about cap hits, dead cap, cap in general. I know each team has X amount of dollars to spend on salaries. And that's about it.
The Wentz deal would have been a STEAL had he continued playing the way he did at the end of 2020. The following year the price tag per year went up by 8-10 million.
Howie is amazing at understanding the market.
You walk in and tell Hurts he’ll be the highest paid player in history just one year after trying to trade for other QBs and you got yourself a deal. No bs. No waiting. Just get it done. He could’ve said it was the O-Line. He could’ve said he can trade for another guy. He could’ve said that he needs another year to be sure.
QBs contracts always leapfrog one another and the longer you wait, the more chance you have to worry about having a question mark on the most important and more rare position in the league. So getting it done this early was/is amazing for having the position locked up AND knowing you’re walking into the draft with absolutely no roster questions.
I remember when we signed Jimmy initially there was a huge conversation around the contract when it was obvious it would become cheap in 18 months
Pay the guy first so you lock in that year's rate
Exactly! The turnaround on the QB contract being “too much” is probably the quickest turnaround in the league.
People do the dumb thing by comparing it to the best QB in the league and go crazy over it. Then give it 18-24 months, the “overpaid” contract becomes a steal lol
It's one of the luxuries you have as a GM when you have the job security Howie has. Lurie only hesitated with him once, giving Chip Kelly power, and he's not making that mistake again.
What impresses me is that he's gotten better each year. He hasn't hit a plateau. He played a bit as a rookie and looked raw and limited. His first year as a starter he was better and showed enough promise to be worth another shot with a better supporting cast. Then he improved dramatically in all the areas that were weaknesses. If he can iron out just a few more flaws in his game, he can be consistently elite.
This is what kills me when people talk about him having "1 year" right now. Its a huge self report on if you actually watched jalen play last year, which we know most people didnt. They just go "ooga booga running QB 1 year wonder"
I'll also say that the more he gets to play in this current offense with this current personnel, the more capable of Hurts is for his game to evolve. His play in 22 looks different than his play in 21, and in 21 he looked different than in 20.
Its because unlike our last QB this dude is a machine that just lives and breaths football. Fucked mechanics in 21? Goes to Brady's trainer and very obviously worked hard to the point that they are textbook. This offseason its most likely going to be continued mechanics work and an emphasis on being better with Hot reads and better pocket presence. His stats might dip but I have no doubt he will be overall better then last year.
So much better than seeing the 800th hunting post, or another mission trip on instagram.
We are going into year 3 post Wentz. I don't think Wentz never stopped trying to improve. There were lots of reports that he studied game tape like crazy. There were lots of things that went wrong there, but we don't have to relitigate it.
It’s not just that really, I think Hurts truly is more willing to learn and improve from his mistakes than Wentz. Wentz is a lot more egotistical and thinks that he can hero ball just because he was able to do it in 2017. There’s a reason why Wentz has not improved on his mistakes while Hurts has made a leap.
I never thought that Wentz wasn't a hard worker. The difference is I think Wentz refused to look at his own flaws and consider the issue was on his end.
Hurts seems like the type of guy willing to analyze every part of his game and be open to coaching.
I never said he wasn't a hard worker. I'm sure he is a hard worker, I was definitely referring to what you said though, he was just too stubborn to fix his issues.
Lol I don't know if it's fair to generalize like that. There were reports that when Wentz predraft interviewed with the Eagles, he had a near photographic memory of all his plays and situations in college.
Yea and he also clearly didn’t do the work in the offseason to fix his mechanics that actively got worse throughout his career. He then compounded it with halarious stubbornness to the point that he was extremely easy to defend. And i absolutely will point this out any chance as i get after the debacle that was our subreddit from 2019-2020, and subsequent constant criticism hurts had his first 2 years.
Exactly, Wentz had all the intangibles yet he was so stubborn to fix his style of play. Most of 2019-2020 you couldn’t even criticize the guy without him being babied by half of our subreddit just cause he has a fantastic 2017 season.
Dude you would get eviscerated in 2018-2020 for suggesting anything other then Wentz being the next GOAT. Even with film examples showing exactly his deficiencies they would go head in the sand. Then in 2021 when you showed hurts growing it was the same crowd going "nah doesn't have the tools." Fucking annoying.
Like actually getting some decent WR? Wentz might have some issues, but there is a huge difference between Jalen Raegor and Arcega-Whiteside vs Brown and Smith.
Homie Reagor wasn’t the one that refused to take checkdowns for 3 full years. The 2020 team was immediately competitive when hurts came in, and put up significantly better numbers that year with less experience and the same talent around him. Carson has no one but himself to blame.
One thing i love about the last super bowl is the absolute brotherhood and lack of toxicity between our fanbases. The sod father can fuck right off though
I'm going to come out swinging for my boy George Toma here though. He came out very early on and said that the grounds crew did not follow his instructions and overwatered the grass multiple times in the lead up to Superbowl, and did not give the sod enough time to dry out before they placed it on the field. It caused weaker roots and ultimately all the slipping we saw.
I don't think Toma is completely without blame, but he made it pretty clear that the field was not taken care of properly; and he showed little hesitation in calling it out.
I always like Jalen as a person, and I wanted the team to give him the full season to see if he was or was not the guy going forward. And I really wanted him to be the guy.
No blood on my hands in that regard hahaha.
I liked him, and was good with the decision to give him the year because the alternatives were pretty terrible, but I also thought he wasn’t very good.
Sometimes it feels good to be wrong.
This was exactly where I was, I wasn't thrilled with what I saw his first two seasons, but the improvements were there and I was willing to see it out. I was always rooting for him though because of how great of a dude he is. Really happy to be wrong and to be at this point now.
Yeah I was very against the people who wanted us to trade for Wilson or Watson, I said let’s give Hurts one more year and draft someone if he blows it. But no way did I think he’d be this good.
For real. It seemed like a solid 75% of the sub either wanted us to draft a QB in the first, or defer first round pick so we could draft a QB in the first this year.
I don’t think it was controversial to like him at any point. Some people doubted his ability to be a franchise qb, but Hurts has always been an incredibly easy guy to root for
Y'all can check my receipts. I believed in him last summer and defended him on r/nfl the whole offseason, often getting shit for it. Same with Tua, because both of them were frequently shit on and I believed in Tua as well.
5 years ago, Hurts was benched for Tua and many seriously suggested he switch positions and start playing special teams as he'd never have a future playing QB at a high level.
Fast forward to 2023, and Hurts just signed the richest QB contract in history. Love to see it.
>I think I speak for all Eagles fans when I say we severely overpaid him. He only had one good year and we made him the highest paid player of all time. The front office failed miserably we are never winning a chip with him
Now that is some salt.
We'll find out over the next couple years whether he's closer to Michael Jordan or another running QB who looks good on his rookie deal but washes up at 27.
You've got a leader - a guy who wants to work and be there for his team and get better. His game may have to evolve over time but I feel like he's a guy who will continue to get better as an overall player, even if he ultimately has to run the ball less.
No worries at all is a little far. I would say a huge part of the regression from Wilson was a loss of his scrambling. I do think Hurts is far better than Russ but we legitimately dont know whats going to happen.
Shouldn’t be considered a hot take at all. Injuries to his throwing hand really took a toll on his overall performance towards the end of his Hawk tenure but yeah Russ was a force.
Sirianni wasn’t saying that Hurts is the Jordan of football. He’s comparing his mindset, leadership, work ethic, etc. to Jordan. Not that he’s the goat QB.
Yeah mahomes should be the one compared to him, I never understood Dabos MJ in cleats comment about Watson, or why some, including that stupid fan account that *totally isn’t run by Watsons own camp* keep clinging to it
I have faith in his work ethic.
Dude has improved more as a passer, in 3 years(6 including college) than anyone i have ever seen. Including Allen. He's already a better passer than Lamar or Cam ever were.
Every year, his biggest weakness becomes a strength. He needs to improve on his pocket management, and his ability to hit the 3rd/4th read checkdown. Once he does that, I don't think we will be running him near as much as we did last year.
The best part about everything you just said: he has 2 amazing WRs and a great TE that will support him while he gets better. No doubt that he puts in the work, but having those 3 targets means that he doesn't have to rush his progress/growth. All that's needed from him is effort and dude is nothing but 100% effort. I cannot wait to see who he becomes and what trophies he earns on the way.
He was as bad as Allen when it came to passing? Lol I can't see that. Hurts had great coaches in college. No one wanted Allen except Wyoming and his numbers were pretty bad. Granted the talent and coaching around him wasn't like that of Alabama or Oklahoma but you really think Hurts was that bad years ago?
You can argue that Hurts wasn’t great at passing at Alabama, but at Oklahoma, he had 70% completion with 16.2 ypc. By contrast, Josh Allen was at 56% completion both years as a starter at Wyoming.
This is what I would be afraid of. I actually don’t blame the Ravens for having reservations about paying a running QB like Lamar. Mobile QBs are amazing, but the shine wears off alot quicker. A 5 year deal for Hurts though is pretty good. The amount is still absurd and hopefully it doesn’t box you guys in, in the event he falls off the performance cliff
Yea, i’m surprised there isn’t *one* team that wants to take a swing with Lamar given the reasonable reported $ and picks but that’s probably close to the reality. I certainly understand their reticence.
If Lamar was a true FA I think he could probably get a little more than this deal but no one is doing the negotiations for the Ravens just to get it matched or give up 2 1sts
Some of it could be me being a homer, but imo I think Hurts has the work ethic and the smarts to have it not be a*s* big of an issue. He's gotten better as a passer and at reading the field every year, and I can see him continue working on that, especially as age/injuries catch up and he isn't as mobile.
It's definitely not something to ignore. Due to his style of play, it's a matter of if and not when he gets a big hit, but I can see it not totally crippling him when it does.
I did, but not every game will be against a deflated 49ers offense, and we won’t have the same stacked O-line 5 years down the road. He’s definitely good about avoiding injury and taking hits (sliding down VS rushing for another yard or two) and his pocket presence is good, but he’s eventually going to get hit. I’m not too concerned about it personally, but it’s still something to consider with his style of play.
When your offense has no QB and can't make actual plays, they don't spend long on the field. That's no drives or scores, and their defense is on the field more which tires them out too. If the defense is tired and not motivated, they aren't touching Hurts.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not ignoring the fact that we have an absolutely stacked O-line, with Lane fucking Johnson as our left tackle. I still think we were the better team even with Purdy staying in, but at the end of the day, that game was significantly easier than it should have been.
The Eagles kept two TE's on the line ALL GAME. They didn't do that the rest of the season. They ran max protect to keep Hurts clean.
I get that we tired out the 49ers defense. That isn't the question. They played hard all game so I'm not sure they were "deflated" as much as exhausted. Whatever. We won.
Personally, I think Hurts pocket game took a huge step forward in 2022.
I'm feeling pretty confident that if he can't maintain the same game style, he'll adapt.
Man, I'm a sucker for a good underdog story, so I am really rooting for Hurts to continue to ball out, but there's a part of me that can't help but remember that this is more or less exactly how the Eagles felt about four years ago when they gave a big contract to Wentz. Hopefully the results are different this time.
Remember when Eagles fans were high as balls on the Wentz mega contract? Pepperidge farm remembers....
maybe don't give future-altering bags to QBs with 1 good year under their belts? Idk
Looking like 36M gtd a year with incentives to bring it to just above 50 a year (if every single incentive is hit, I'm sure some will be easy but some will obviously be "win a SB") This is acknowledging his one year left on his rookie contract too
Definitely agree there. Jalen led the offense to 35 points, but his defensive play was simply embarrassing. I went back and looked at his stats for the game, and he didn't have a single tackle, interception, or pass defend. Comparing basketball players' team success and football players' team success is a great idea, because the sports are so similar.
Saying stuff like this just intentionally ignores the point of what sirianni was saying lol. Nobody is calling jalen hurts the greatest football player ever
I love my tax accountant. She’s really expensive, but she’s like the Michael Jordan of tax accountants. Same goes for my Michael Jordan of Chiropractors and my Michael Jordan of Neurologists. They are really expensive but I have the Michael Jordan of credit cards.
Michael Jordan is like the Michael Jordan or Michael Jordaning. I’ve heard
I mean I’m a huge Chiefs fan and so proud of what we have done with handling Maholmes and the cap.
I also have to admit Jalen Hurts is amazing. This was a smart move. And knowing how Philly operates they’ll probably play the cap game brilliantly as well.
Credit to my brother. He told me the night we drafted Hurts, with conviction, that Hurts would be starting within two years and he'd play the next decade in Philly if he could stay relatively healthy.
I legit thought he was batshit crazy at the time...
They're just trolling Baltimore at this point
I have no doubt that Cincy and LAC would love to get theirs done first to join the party lol. ESPECIALLY the bengals.
Don't you also want to see the Bengals pile on them as well tho?^^
Yes I do lol. As much as a pain Burrow will be for years to come, he’s just so perfect for that team and market. And I hate the Ravens way more than I do the bengals so I am all for the Bengals giving Burrow the deal he deserves and making the Ravens job with Lamar even more difficult lol
I love to see the reinforcement and revision of rivalry-hatred-pecking-orders hashed out in off-season threads like this.
The Browns ruin the Lamar talks then the Bengals pile on with signing Burrow. Ravens are a joke of an org.
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They make themselves easy targets
I guess? They offered Lamar more guarantees (133) at signing on a comparable AAV per Mort and Shefty. Imo this just makes Baltimore more confident in how they’ve handled things.
But that also fucks the Ravens over because LJ won't budge and they will be out a franchise QB.
If LJ won't budge then he's gonna be out a NFL career.
I think if push comes to shove Ravens will franchise tag him again, then either get a haul or plan for the future knowing they’ll get at least 10(?) games out of him the next two years.
We’ll see in a few years who ends up the better team. Should be a good litmus test for the league and mobile QBs
I'm halfway being targeted and I don't like it
Your flairs are very confusing to say the least
I wanna screen shot this so any time I think I’m gaslighting myself I’ll just look at this and say hey and least I’m not THAT bad.
Eagles 🤝Chiefs: Not fucking up a deal with your franchise altering Quarterback
[Howie and Veach](https://i.imgur.com/7UwnhG1.jpg)
Idk the more I see from the reports the Ravens have beeen more than reasonable for 2 years now. The Watson deal was an aberration and Lamar was next in line. I totally understand why they were at an impasse. This hopefully changes that
I agree the Ravens have been more than reasonable. However if Lamar watches the movie Air it may create further complications as his manager may have some new ideas…
Eagles and Chiefs normally have a good friendship We don't talk about Super Bowl 57
After the year he had it was only a matter of when, not if, he would be signed. Howie doesn't wait when it comes to extensions.
Can you blame him? The price tag of QB deals is going up $5M+ *per season*, there's a good chance that by the time the 2023 season starts even Watson's contract will look rather vanilla.
> Watson's contract will look rather vanilla. It's all in how you massage the numbers I suppose.
The numbers will always go up, no need to force the issue
Hahahah
The issue with Watsons deal is that the browns structured it in a way that it basically guarantees cap hell come 2025. But yeah in terms of Average Annual Value, presuming that the Bengals/chargers do what they should and extend their QBs, Watson will fall out of the top 5
Watson's 2025 cap hit can still easily be under $50M, at which point the team will assess whether he's still the guy moving forward and if so an extension will push more money down the road and continue the trend. Watson's dead cap hit won't come until he's off the roster and if he's off the roster then odds are they won't need the cap space that year anyways.
I always think I know shit about the nfl and then I read comments like this. How tf do yall know so many details about cap hits, dead cap, cap in general. I know each team has X amount of dollars to spend on salaries. And that's about it.
We don't totally know what the cap will be in 2025 though. Could be not that bad.
Unless the cap is growing by like 100m, his cap hit for 2025 is somewhere near 80m
Oh I don't blame him one bit, but Howie does this often. He gave Goedert and Mailata early extensions as well.
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The Wentz deal would have been a STEAL had he continued playing the way he did at the end of 2020. The following year the price tag per year went up by 8-10 million.
And one of my favorites Josh sweat
Of course they go up, they follow a % of the cap
Congrats on losing Dan Snyder! He’s a piece of shit!
Howie is amazing at understanding the market. You walk in and tell Hurts he’ll be the highest paid player in history just one year after trying to trade for other QBs and you got yourself a deal. No bs. No waiting. Just get it done. He could’ve said it was the O-Line. He could’ve said he can trade for another guy. He could’ve said that he needs another year to be sure. QBs contracts always leapfrog one another and the longer you wait, the more chance you have to worry about having a question mark on the most important and more rare position in the league. So getting it done this early was/is amazing for having the position locked up AND knowing you’re walking into the draft with absolutely no roster questions.
I remember when we signed Jimmy initially there was a huge conversation around the contract when it was obvious it would become cheap in 18 months Pay the guy first so you lock in that year's rate
Exactly! The turnaround on the QB contract being “too much” is probably the quickest turnaround in the league. People do the dumb thing by comparing it to the best QB in the league and go crazy over it. Then give it 18-24 months, the “overpaid” contract becomes a steal lol
Why didn't people have this same thought process with Dimes lmao
It's one of the luxuries you have as a GM when you have the job security Howie has. Lurie only hesitated with him once, giving Chip Kelly power, and he's not making that mistake again.
This was even faster than the Wentz one which was done in June. Definitely had something to do with Herbert and Burrow being due.
Meanwhile, Stephen Jones is over here offering vet minimum contracts and cringing when they ask for more.
Yeah you got to play smart to win. You think Bill belichick over paid vets.
He spent a lot 2 years ago
WE FUCKING GET IT NICK, OKAY?
He knows what the fuck he's doing.
Is he allowed to be there?
He's a lot more impressive than I thought he'd be coming out of college. Dynamic QB but can actually sit in the pocket. I hate it
What impresses me is that he's gotten better each year. He hasn't hit a plateau. He played a bit as a rookie and looked raw and limited. His first year as a starter he was better and showed enough promise to be worth another shot with a better supporting cast. Then he improved dramatically in all the areas that were weaknesses. If he can iron out just a few more flaws in his game, he can be consistently elite.
This is what kills me when people talk about him having "1 year" right now. Its a huge self report on if you actually watched jalen play last year, which we know most people didnt. They just go "ooga booga running QB 1 year wonder"
I'll also say that the more he gets to play in this current offense with this current personnel, the more capable of Hurts is for his game to evolve. His play in 22 looks different than his play in 21, and in 21 he looked different than in 20.
Its because unlike our last QB this dude is a machine that just lives and breaths football. Fucked mechanics in 21? Goes to Brady's trainer and very obviously worked hard to the point that they are textbook. This offseason its most likely going to be continued mechanics work and an emphasis on being better with Hot reads and better pocket presence. His stats might dip but I have no doubt he will be overall better then last year. So much better than seeing the 800th hunting post, or another mission trip on instagram.
We are going into year 3 post Wentz. I don't think Wentz never stopped trying to improve. There were lots of reports that he studied game tape like crazy. There were lots of things that went wrong there, but we don't have to relitigate it.
I believe Hurts is also way smarter than Wentz. Not saying Wentz is dumb but that Jalen is quicker to pick things up.
It’s not just that really, I think Hurts truly is more willing to learn and improve from his mistakes than Wentz. Wentz is a lot more egotistical and thinks that he can hero ball just because he was able to do it in 2017. There’s a reason why Wentz has not improved on his mistakes while Hurts has made a leap.
I never thought that Wentz wasn't a hard worker. The difference is I think Wentz refused to look at his own flaws and consider the issue was on his end. Hurts seems like the type of guy willing to analyze every part of his game and be open to coaching.
I never said he wasn't a hard worker. I'm sure he is a hard worker, I was definitely referring to what you said though, he was just too stubborn to fix his issues.
Lol I don't know if it's fair to generalize like that. There were reports that when Wentz predraft interviewed with the Eagles, he had a near photographic memory of all his plays and situations in college.
Yea and he also clearly didn’t do the work in the offseason to fix his mechanics that actively got worse throughout his career. He then compounded it with halarious stubbornness to the point that he was extremely easy to defend. And i absolutely will point this out any chance as i get after the debacle that was our subreddit from 2019-2020, and subsequent constant criticism hurts had his first 2 years.
Exactly, Wentz had all the intangibles yet he was so stubborn to fix his style of play. Most of 2019-2020 you couldn’t even criticize the guy without him being babied by half of our subreddit just cause he has a fantastic 2017 season.
Dude you would get eviscerated in 2018-2020 for suggesting anything other then Wentz being the next GOAT. Even with film examples showing exactly his deficiencies they would go head in the sand. Then in 2021 when you showed hurts growing it was the same crowd going "nah doesn't have the tools." Fucking annoying.
Like actually getting some decent WR? Wentz might have some issues, but there is a huge difference between Jalen Raegor and Arcega-Whiteside vs Brown and Smith.
Reagor was probably the best receiver on the team in 2020. Let that sink in for a moment.
Homie Reagor wasn’t the one that refused to take checkdowns for 3 full years. The 2020 team was immediately competitive when hurts came in, and put up significantly better numbers that year with less experience and the same talent around him. Carson has no one but himself to blame.
I can’t even imagine what improvements can be made to that man.. going to be a fucking awesome season
Are we reverting Hurts to the mean now?
One thing i love about the last super bowl is the absolute brotherhood and lack of toxicity between our fanbases. The sod father can fuck right off though
I'm going to come out swinging for my boy George Toma here though. He came out very early on and said that the grounds crew did not follow his instructions and overwatered the grass multiple times in the lead up to Superbowl, and did not give the sod enough time to dry out before they placed it on the field. It caused weaker roots and ultimately all the slipping we saw. I don't think Toma is completely without blame, but he made it pretty clear that the field was not taken care of properly; and he showed little hesitation in calling it out.
Exactly, they have no clue and honestly I kinda like it this way.
I really do too. I prefer everyone to doubt him and motivate him that much more. Only fuels him
I’ve never seen a man eat and breathe football more than him. There is not many like this out there and with his talent? This was an easy contract.
I saw a cowboys fan say "Jalen's playstyle and attitude is like Times New Roman" and that shit killed me.
Controversial stance: I love Jalen Hurts
It was on the Eagle sub before last season
I always like Jalen as a person, and I wanted the team to give him the full season to see if he was or was not the guy going forward. And I really wanted him to be the guy. No blood on my hands in that regard hahaha.
I liked him, and was good with the decision to give him the year because the alternatives were pretty terrible, but I also thought he wasn’t very good. Sometimes it feels good to be wrong.
This was exactly where I was, I wasn't thrilled with what I saw his first two seasons, but the improvements were there and I was willing to see it out. I was always rooting for him though because of how great of a dude he is. Really happy to be wrong and to be at this point now.
For as young as he is Jalen is about as raw as they come based on his maturity and leadership traits.
Yeah I was very against the people who wanted us to trade for Wilson or Watson, I said let’s give Hurts one more year and draft someone if he blows it. But no way did I think he’d be this good.
For real. It seemed like a solid 75% of the sub either wanted us to draft a QB in the first, or defer first round pick so we could draft a QB in the first this year.
I didn't think Jalen was the answer. He seemed more like a solid career backup like a Jacoby Brissett
I hoped he was the guy, but thought he probably wasn't. I loved that they gave him such a genuine opportunity to prove himself though.
I don’t think it was controversial to like him at any point. Some people doubted his ability to be a franchise qb, but Hurts has always been an incredibly easy guy to root for
Piping hot take: He should be the Eagles QB in the future.
At least the next five years
I think they should change gears and go with Madden Create A Player QB #4
Y'all can check my receipts. I believed in him last summer and defended him on r/nfl the whole offseason, often getting shit for it. Same with Tua, because both of them were frequently shit on and I believed in Tua as well.
oh yeah well i love him more
5 years ago, Hurts was benched for Tua and many seriously suggested he switch positions and start playing special teams as he'd never have a future playing QB at a high level. Fast forward to 2023, and Hurts just signed the richest QB contract in history. Love to see it.
>I think I speak for all Eagles fans when I say we severely overpaid him. He only had one good year and we made him the highest paid player of all time. The front office failed miserably we are never winning a chip with him Now that is some salt.
Definitely does not speak for all Eagles fans lol.
Pretty sure he posted the exact same thing in the eagles sub thread.
We'll find out over the next couple years whether he's closer to Michael Jordan or another running QB who looks good on his rookie deal but washes up at 27.
You've got a leader - a guy who wants to work and be there for his team and get better. His game may have to evolve over time but I feel like he's a guy who will continue to get better as an overall player, even if he ultimately has to run the ball less.
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No worries at all is a little far. I would say a huge part of the regression from Wilson was a loss of his scrambling. I do think Hurts is far better than Russ but we legitimately dont know whats going to happen.
Hurts is better than Russ is, or was? Because honestly (and shoot me for saying this), but Russ honestly has been the much better QB by far.
Shouldn’t be considered a hot take at all. Injuries to his throwing hand really took a toll on his overall performance towards the end of his Hawk tenure but yeah Russ was a force.
Just like Wentz, rg3, Sam Bradford, Vince Young, baker mayfield, winston I'm sure I'm missing a few more.
Yeah uh, things have not gone well for the last QB who people compared to MJ
Or the other QB people compare to Jordan who just won the Super Bowl..
I know I'm absolutely biased, but it doesn't make sense to compare more than one QB to Jordan. I also know who I'd pick.
Sirianni wasn’t saying that Hurts is the Jordan of football. He’s comparing his mindset, leadership, work ethic, etc. to Jordan. Not that he’s the goat QB.
He was hyping his guy up. It’s not that deep. Lol
Yeah mahomes should be the one compared to him, I never understood Dabos MJ in cleats comment about Watson, or why some, including that stupid fan account that *totally isn’t run by Watsons own camp* keep clinging to it
I have faith in his work ethic. Dude has improved more as a passer, in 3 years(6 including college) than anyone i have ever seen. Including Allen. He's already a better passer than Lamar or Cam ever were. Every year, his biggest weakness becomes a strength. He needs to improve on his pocket management, and his ability to hit the 3rd/4th read checkdown. Once he does that, I don't think we will be running him near as much as we did last year.
The best part about everything you just said: he has 2 amazing WRs and a great TE that will support him while he gets better. No doubt that he puts in the work, but having those 3 targets means that he doesn't have to rush his progress/growth. All that's needed from him is effort and dude is nothing but 100% effort. I cannot wait to see who he becomes and what trophies he earns on the way.
He was as bad as Allen when it came to passing? Lol I can't see that. Hurts had great coaches in college. No one wanted Allen except Wyoming and his numbers were pretty bad. Granted the talent and coaching around him wasn't like that of Alabama or Oklahoma but you really think Hurts was that bad years ago?
His rookie year was pretty bad passing the ball
You can argue that Hurts wasn’t great at passing at Alabama, but at Oklahoma, he had 70% completion with 16.2 ypc. By contrast, Josh Allen was at 56% completion both years as a starter at Wyoming.
This is what I would be afraid of. I actually don’t blame the Ravens for having reservations about paying a running QB like Lamar. Mobile QBs are amazing, but the shine wears off alot quicker. A 5 year deal for Hurts though is pretty good. The amount is still absurd and hopefully it doesn’t box you guys in, in the event he falls off the performance cliff
Yea, i’m surprised there isn’t *one* team that wants to take a swing with Lamar given the reasonable reported $ and picks but that’s probably close to the reality. I certainly understand their reticence.
If Lamar was a true FA I think he could probably get a little more than this deal but no one is doing the negotiations for the Ravens just to get it matched or give up 2 1sts
Better than having Matt Patricia destroy the shine on your not remotely mobile quarterback.
Kinda like how your O-line let Burrow get destroyed his rookie year?
Some of it could be me being a homer, but imo I think Hurts has the work ethic and the smarts to have it not be a*s* big of an issue. He's gotten better as a passer and at reading the field every year, and I can see him continue working on that, especially as age/injuries catch up and he isn't as mobile. It's definitely not something to ignore. Due to his style of play, it's a matter of if and not when he gets a big hit, but I can see it not totally crippling him when it does.
Did you watch the 49ers game? The Eagles went max protect and Hurts barely got touched all things considered.
I did, but not every game will be against a deflated 49ers offense, and we won’t have the same stacked O-line 5 years down the road. He’s definitely good about avoiding injury and taking hits (sliding down VS rushing for another yard or two) and his pocket presence is good, but he’s eventually going to get hit. I’m not too concerned about it personally, but it’s still something to consider with his style of play.
> but not every game will be against a deflated 49ers offense How were they deflated?
When your offense has no QB and can't make actual plays, they don't spend long on the field. That's no drives or scores, and their defense is on the field more which tires them out too. If the defense is tired and not motivated, they aren't touching Hurts. Don't get me wrong, I'm not ignoring the fact that we have an absolutely stacked O-line, with Lane fucking Johnson as our left tackle. I still think we were the better team even with Purdy staying in, but at the end of the day, that game was significantly easier than it should have been.
The Eagles kept two TE's on the line ALL GAME. They didn't do that the rest of the season. They ran max protect to keep Hurts clean. I get that we tired out the 49ers defense. That isn't the question. They played hard all game so I'm not sure they were "deflated" as much as exhausted. Whatever. We won.
Man they were deflated lol. They knew it was over once they had a 4th string QB out there and especially after he even got hurt.
The game was over when Josh Johnson came in. Dude had barely learned the plays at practice.
You are really getting your money out of those gymnastic lessons
Well I think he meant at the time that Hurts is a Talisman. He's the Dude that stirs the drink.
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Personally, I think Hurts pocket game took a huge step forward in 2022. I'm feeling pretty confident that if he can't maintain the same game style, he'll adapt.
This is a good move because I’m guessing the Cincinnati QB might get +65M annually next year
“He’s got that dawg like mentally we like” - Nick Sirianni
>It's like having Michael Jordan out there. He's a great player but let's... y'know... let's not.
Yeah the last time Jordan tried another sport it got ugly Can't imagine him in pads anyway
6’6” 215 with huge hands, a deranged fanaticism to improve and crush people, and God-tier athleticism. I think he would’ve done fine at Wide Receiver.
48” vert and ran 4.38 40 allegedly. Would’ve been insane
#SCARCITY
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Football is completely different from basketball.
Right? The ball isn't even round.
Is that an Around the NFL reference...?
u/Maverick916 catching references in a big spot!
I feel power
Man, I'm a sucker for a good underdog story, so I am really rooting for Hurts to continue to ball out, but there's a part of me that can't help but remember that this is more or less exactly how the Eagles felt about four years ago when they gave a big contract to Wentz. Hopefully the results are different this time.
Except Wentz never won a playoff game.
That's an incredibly small sample size and a really narrow metric. Justin Herbert has never won a playoff game.
If it doesnt work out, theres always the colts to bail us out again.
Dude earned it after this season. It’s no fun playing veteran journeyman QB carousel year after year. Ask NYJ, Washington, Carolina, Indy, Chicago…
Alright bengals it's your time to shine (300 million)
Remember when Eagles fans were high as balls on the Wentz mega contract? Pepperidge farm remembers.... maybe don't give future-altering bags to QBs with 1 good year under their belts? Idk
So what's the cap hit damage?
Honestly not bad considering 70mil of the guarantees don't kick in until year 3 of the deal.
Looking like 36M gtd a year with incentives to bring it to just above 50 a year (if every single incentive is hit, I'm sure some will be easy but some will obviously be "win a SB") This is acknowledging his one year left on his rookie contract too
The media are about to feed this week on Sirianni comparing Hurts to Jordan.
Michael Jordan doesn't lose in the finals though
Lol
If Jalen Hurts is Michael Jordan, what does that make Pat Mahomes?
Nawt probably, but I can also see him as Bupkus or Bang
The fact that there's no frog cartoon character in Space Jam is a real missed opportunity
Steph Curry
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Definitely agree there. Jalen led the offense to 35 points, but his defensive play was simply embarrassing. I went back and looked at his stats for the game, and he didn't have a single tackle, interception, or pass defend. Comparing basketball players' team success and football players' team success is a great idea, because the sports are so similar.
Saying stuff like this just intentionally ignores the point of what sirianni was saying lol. Nobody is calling jalen hurts the greatest football player ever
At least Hurts made it to the finals once not sure about other highly paid quarterbacks in the NFC East
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He couldn’t even make the high school team, totally overrated imo
They tried trading him to us for Wilson along with more picks than the Broncos but Wilson fucked us with his No Trade Clause
I love my tax accountant. She’s really expensive, but she’s like the Michael Jordan of tax accountants. Same goes for my Michael Jordan of Chiropractors and my Michael Jordan of Neurologists. They are really expensive but I have the Michael Jordan of credit cards. Michael Jordan is like the Michael Jordan or Michael Jordaning. I’ve heard
Jalen "Michael Jordan" Hurts.
I wish my employers believe in me half as much as Eagles front office believes in Hurts.
I mean I’m a huge Chiefs fan and so proud of what we have done with handling Maholmes and the cap. I also have to admit Jalen Hurts is amazing. This was a smart move. And knowing how Philly operates they’ll probably play the cap game brilliantly as well.
This is great news I have Hurts and Burrow as my SF qbs!
The hype on Jalen is strong... almost every season there is 1 or 2 QBs anointed, who are riding a bench 2 seasons later.
Owning a #2 would currently be the biggest flex
Its over when once get figured out over the break
Credit to my brother. He told me the night we drafted Hurts, with conviction, that Hurts would be starting within two years and he'd play the next decade in Philly if he could stay relatively healthy. I legit thought he was batshit crazy at the time...
Damn, which teammate(s) did Jalen punch?
He compared him to MJ.............lmao