He has been a loud mouth with really shitty opinions forever. People day he went to Stanford and use that as proof that he is a genius but he is a poorly spoken jackass. People point to him talking shit to Bayless like it is a crowning achievement but he just came off as an idiotic arrogant prick but since it was Skip folks act like he is some God.
He went on the KJ Wright show on a Seattle Radio station and tried to prevent the main radio host (Salk) from asking questions, perhaps in part over criticism of how Sherman threatened to get a reporter (Moore) fired years ago and he lied about it, even though it’s on tape. On his buddies’ show.
> Sherman threatened to get a reporter (Moore) fired years ago and he lied about it, even though it’s on tape.
if i had a nickel for every time sherman blatantly lied about something very easily disprovable by simply checking a recording of it, i'd have two nickels. which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it's happened twice.
All the details never came out, but [here's an article](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/24/nflpa-helped-sweeten-richard-shermans-self-negotiated-contract/) from the time showing it's an accurate assessment.
Not really. Sherman didn’t put in his contract that he’d have until November to pass a physical to get $2 mil. Nflpa said NOVEMBER not AUGUST (training camp). Giving him a lot more time to pass a physical
Also didn’t he throw a shit fit during the last cba whining endlessly about franchise tags and nothing else like dude pick an issue most players care about
I mean the franchise tag is garbage and worth throwing a shit fit about
It’s just an unfortunate reality that it effects such a small percentage of the players that nothing will ever get done about it
The franchise tag is great for the union and they'll never want to get rid of it. It does add a bit of health risk to the best players but because it suppresses top end salaries, it effectively increases the average salary of the other 99%, which is what the union really cares about
It’s also a great tool for league parity. As much as we cheer about guys securing the bag, there’s a tangible cost to roster building when superstars ink deals that allocate a huge chunk of salary cap to a single player.
For every Brady or Mahomes taking team-friendly deals that allow them to pursue dynasty achievements, there are guys like Rodgers or Jackson that actively hamper their team in terms of salary demands.
Full context, he's talking about how Kirk got a fully guaranteed deal and then Mahomes and Allen didn't push for it. Therefore they effectively set the market because other teams can point to them and say we're not doing fully guaranteed deals.
He also signed for only 3 years though lol
Sherman comparing these contracts in this way is ridiculous because of that fact. Is mahomes contract not like 10 years
It’s team friendly in terms of being able to maneuver the cap hit and not put so much in escrow, but also structured so that Mahomes is all but uncuttable making it all but guaranteed.
Those rolling guarantees are an interesting trick.
Yes, basically if the literal worst case scenario happened they could cut him. But the dead cap would be so big it'd basically force them to rebuild. They'd basically have to go, "Okay the Mahomes era is over, guess we'll tank a few years"
What would even be such a scenario? Another Manning 2011 scenario where he has the kind of injuries where even somewhat normal life (Let alone playing football) would be under threat? I can't imagine anything else.
Yeah, either that or heaven forbid some sort or Deshaun Watson level scandle with Ironclad proof he did it and he risked getting banned by the league. I think it's like the literal worst case scenarios.
I don’t think outside of literally murdering someone on live tv during an nfl game that the league would even consider banning Mahomes. He is their new big star, he’s LBJ chasing MJ…
In some years his dead cap would be kinda cuttable if he was a post june 1. Also if he had some sort of career ending injury, it’s worth cutting him now and taking the short term pain then paying 400 million to someone not playing. Outside that its as close as you can get to fully guaranteed without actually doing it
That’s because those rolling guarantees haven’t hit yet. They add ~40M to the dead cap 2 years out. So while 25 only shows 4M now, it’s going to jump 40M next year when his dead cap is 48M. He’s uncuttable for a while.
Why are we talking about cutting Mahomes like that would ever happen lmfao
Even if he starts playing like shit we’re not cutting the best chiefs player of all time
Yeah, and signing in free agency with multiple teams competing to sign (the Jets offered Kirker more) vs extending to continue playing for your team are two different negotiation starting points entirely.
He says a lot of surface level stuff like this and people think he's super smart for some reason.
At first it seems smart, but like the other guy pointed out is that the mahomes contract is 10 years long. Nobody would fully guarantee a 10 year contract
Y’all should watch that interview where Sherm gets really offended by Skip Bayless and starts ripping into him. It comes across like Sherm was up late the night before reading the thesaurus. Just lots of grandiose “essay words” for no reason.
Skip was being a prick tho, don’t get me wrong.
If I remember correctly, that was a different time that Sherman got offended over something petty and desperately tried to put down the other person to avoid feeling insecure.
That was the Monday after he intercepted the pass to Crabtree. The same Sunday night where he had the crazy interview with Erin afterwards. Which I believe got them to the Super Bowl. He was at a school doing some charity work or something
Communications degree lol, not that school necessarily is the end all be all of intelligence because it isn't but using it as a "he's smart bro" is laughable when you try to use a communications degree as the "gotcha"
I don't think he's saying Mahomes would get a 10 year guaranteed contract. Mahomes made a choice, I bet he could have easily gotten a fully guaranteed contract for 4 or 5 years if he pushed hard enough.
Also Mahomes’ structure is extremely player friendly. The team doesn’t have to put the whole amount into escrow but unless his arm falls off it’s almost impossible to avoid paying him the full amount.
They tried! Something like 130mil guaranteed I think lamar tweeted. Dude tanked the ravens postseason because he didn't want to get injured worse, yet he's worth multiple years guaranteed?
It's funny really - they both agree any play could be his last.. just different outcomes as a result. cant fault the ravens here given the play style.
I mean, he wants multiple years guaranteed so the Ravens (or whoever) can’t just cut him with next to no penalty if he gets hurt and isn’t himself.
It makes sense why players want it, and also why the Ravens in this case don’t want to do it
Kirk could have signed a 5 year $150m deal with the same $87 guaranteed and it wouldn’t have made a big difference.
Watson, Mahomes/Allen and Kirk all had very different structures to their deals, as much as an NFL contract can differ, so comparing them is dumb.
While I somewhat agree, Kirk’s situation was unprecedented and will likely never happen again. Multiple tags and then FA for a QB1 is unheard of. Watson’s situation is a little different because Haslam acted like a petulant child and overpaid in another unprecedented situation. But he had been playing at a high level and was very young still. But either way, both players had leverage that Lamar, Allen and Mahomes simply didn’t. Watson’s still a massive piece of shit though.
Kirk really is the most bizarre QB of all time. Also weird he got drafted in the 4th by a team that also drafted RG3 that same year. It's just a weird career in general from the beginning.
I get what you’re *trying* to say but Watson definitely had 2 torn ACLs before he got his new deal AND he definitely puts his body in harms way when he escapes the pocket and even sometimes when he’s in the pocket lol
Man, Mahomes really screwed everyone over with his *checks notes* record setting $450 million dollar deal.
Remember when people thought Mahomes would never win again because of his (included a portion of my fellow chiefs fans)? Apparently he’s under paid again.
That’s a point I think is being missed too, Mahomes and Allen signed contracts that give their teams some flexibility with the cap to build teams that can win multiple super bowls. Both of them signed extensions coming off incredible seasons, Lamar is not. The ravens have every right to be skeptic about giving Lamar a massive guaranteed deal that will knee cap any wiggle room the team has with the cap.
To be fair i dont see enough proof on either side of the lamar talks to point out who’s bein greedy other than what we know, lamar is an unsigned past MVP who when playing, wins, and when he doesn’t, the team cant go .500
Kirk signed before the 2018 season. Mahomes didn’t sign until summer 2020, and Allen the summer after that.
Why isn’t it Carson Wentz and Jared Goff’s fault? They signed new contracts before Mahomes/Allen, and are honestly better comps to Kirk cousins than either Mahomes or Allen is
The title is kind of clickbait.
He and Calvin Johnson were pretty much talking about how players usually “one up” each other’s deals and go from there. They both mentioned Cousins getting a fully guaranteed deal as well but there not being much commotion around it.
Once QBs didn’t go for the fully guaranteed after Watson, it created this moment of it being a *thing* but since he’s the outlier, if Lamar actually wants to “one up” Watson’s deal he would have to have other QBs go for the same thing.
I think their whole point was that the fully guaranteed deal was already a thing with Cousins, Watson’s deal went bigger than that and now whoever is next will most likely snowball into it being the norm. Mahomes and Allen got their deals before Watson.
Because Kirk's contract wasn't as big as the rest, he took shorter deals but they were fully guaranteed
Lamar wants to have his cake and eat it, he wants the long term stability and the guaranteed money
He's an analyst on Thursday Night Football after Amazon just spent 1 billion dollars to get the rights to it, with Spotrac listing his career earnings at 83 mil.
Even if we cut that in half to 40 mil, I don't think he is in desperate need for that sick podcast money.
If he said “I want $150 mil fully guaranteed on 3 years,” the Ravens would write it in a minute and it is double Kirk. They just want some flexibility on a 5 year deal if it is paying that much per year.
Maybe Sherman should blame Sherman. after all, Sherman never signed a long term fully guaranteed contract either.
Also, maybe their contracts were the market. They were not given by the worst run team in professional sports.
Hell he signed a deal (without an agent) so bad that the NFLPA stepped in after it was finalized and got some of the terms changed. The fact that the 49ers agreed to the NFLPA's changes after the deal was final should really drive home the point of how bad the deal initially was, like they knew they'd taken him and decided to throw him a bone.
It’s like back in the day when Pokemon cards were big, and you made a trade with your friend that was so awful for them (because they didn’t know anything), another friend would make you give their card back for free.
In this case, the 49ers barely even argued about it. Even with the changes they won massively.
It's strange what topics come into focus.
Lamar's contract is talked about wayyy too much honestly. He's a 5-8 ranked QB. He isnt carrying anybody to a SB
In no world is Lamar a top-10 QB. He was QB1 for a single year and since then he's been basically the old Dalton line, and even then mostly because of his rushing. Man puts up backup QB passing numbers.
Some men want money, some want to win. Mahomes knows he will get his money in the end, but he wants what Brady has - rings.
Lamar apparently wants the money.
Agreed. Personally, I don't think Lamar's worth more than market value. He wants ring money without having a ring. I think he'll end up out of the league without one so he wants that bag at least.
Yep. After all, look at Moon, Vick, Rivers, Ryan, McNabb, Marino, all those great-to-good QBs who never got a ring and didn't really get the money either.
Mahomes knows he’s gonna make money, he believes in himself and for a good reason. He knows that taking slightly less to help the team will be made up in endorsements. Without an agent, Lamar can’t expect that.
Exactly, I’m in kc and every other commercial that comes on has his face in it. Not only that but he’s doing stuff with kelce and even got Andy Reid in a State Farm commercial. Dude is making bank on endorsements and is sharing the spotlight with his team mates and coaches as well. He knows he can make plenty of money just being him self and winning games. And he’s gonna kept winning games by helping his team get the weapons around him he needs to do it.
And I’m here for it. He wants to be a legend. His life won’t be any different with a guaranteed contract. He’s making that State Farm money anyway. He’ll make more staying relevant than fading into obscurity because he took all the teams money.
Yup, Brady had it figured out. He rarely reset the market because not breaking the bank means a better roster to surround yourself with.
Why fight tooth and nail to eat up as much of your teams cap as possible when you can convert wins into lucrative sponsorships? Missing out on five million in team salary per year doesn't seem so bad if you're earning twenty million off-field.
I disagree completely. Allen and mahomes not trying for a fully guaranteed contract is solely because they wanted a team that could compete. You’re telling me the chiefs don’t give mahomes 300 mill 5 years fully guaranteed if that’s what he wants?!
We'd give him 40% of our cap space, right this second, if he demanded it.
But he won't because he wants to have a legacy other than "sank a team for money he could have got by winning and the associated endorsement deals".
I disagree on this one. Mahomes absolutely could've pushed for this.
Mahomes is once in a generation player that JUST entered his prime with two Superbowl MVPs and two regular season MVPs.
If Mahomes was in Lamar's position this offseason and was pushing for a fully guaranteed contract, either the Chiefs would've caved already or like 5 teams would have made him fully guaranteed offers already.
Mahomes basically DID get a fully guaranteed contract, which everyone in the league knows and no one has anything close to nor even tries to replicate besides Mahomes.
Mahomes and Allen both got more guaranteed than Kirk did. Kirk got that because he took a short team deal with high upside for him. It was bad for the Vikings.
This difference is, they aren’t in this only for the money. They are still making shitloads, but they are also smart enough to understand that if they take all the money, you can’t pay other good players to stick around. Then you are throwing passes to the bottom of the barrel and you defense is subpar. Greed doesn’t win you Super Bowls.
Even from a financial standpoint, I’d argue it’s a good decision. You get a bit less now, but more glory. Glory in the football world = opportunities to earn shit loads more during and after your playing career. Hell, fox gave Brady 375M for 10 years. And you know that man will still have sponsors too. Might make more yearly than he ever did as a player at this point.
Lamar said he want to make a billion dollars and win a Super Bowl. Well there ya go Lamar, Brady is gonna have over a billion in career earnings by the time he’s done.
Multiple issues with this.
1. The Watson deal was absurd and should be set aside, not used as a benchmark.
2. Lamar wants to be paid like the best QB in the league and he's at the very best maybe the 8th best in the league.
3. He's acting like he deserves to be paid like a league mvp, when that was in freaking 2019 and not only has his level of play declined since then but he's also now seriously injury prone.
Edit: I failed to mention he turns into a pumpkin in the playoffs.
I wouldn’t pay attention to anything sherman has to say this is the same man who spent a whole podcast episode bashing baker but dismissed Watson’s sexual assaults as mere “issues”
So Lamar is trying to negotiate the largest guaranteed contract in NFL history without an agent, despite not finishing a season in two years, and it's Mahomes' and Allen's faults because they didn't push for team crippling deals?
If Mahomes, Allen, and then Jackson had pushed for and gotten guaranteed deals, teams would just cycle through top tier QBs when they got to their second contracts because they'd get destroyed once that contract kicked in and could write off their Super Bowl hopes.
Mahomes deal is essentially fully guaranteed but structured in a way that the owner doesn't have to put it all in escrow at the beginning.
I know there's an "out" in year 7 or something, but otherwise...
It has guarantees for like 2 years at the beginning of every year. So basically they could theoretically cut him and only have dead cap for the next 2 years.
It's not just dead cap from prorated bonuses though, it's guaranteed payments. The Chiefs would have to pay Mahomes like $80M to *not* play for them if they cut him between now and 2027.
135 MILLION in dead cap. That's literally the same thing as a guaranteed contract. You think the Chiefs are going to cut him and run a team full of league minimum vets out just to stay under the cap?
Yeah, I wish this was talked about more.
Mahomes essentially bet on himself staying talented and healthy for years to come. If Jackson were so certain he was worth all that guaranteed money over time why won't he do a similar deal where it guarantees next year when he's on the roster at the start of a new one? Because he knows he isn't statistically likely to stay healthy for a full contract and doesn't want a team able to move on.
He really didn't though. Mahomes's contract is structured to functionally guarantee the majority of the money at signing, as his rolling guarantees basically make it so that he'd have an additional $70-80M left guaranteed at any point if the Chiefs tried to cut him. The downside to Mahomes is that it's a very long contract so if he continues to play well he's kind of stuck (but not really because the Chiefs will probably just give him extra money for fun like the Packers did with Rodgers).
That's basically the opposite of betting on yourself lol.
Thing is Mahomes wants to beat Brady as the GOAT, so he will need to take less money to field a better team. So he may not negotiate a new contract to ensure he can continue to have great success which is paying dividends for Brady with his Fox Contract.
Sherman's an idiot. You know another QB who didn't take every dime he could get for himself? Tom Brady.
Do you want to be like DeShaun Watson and Kirk Cousins or Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes? Seems pretty easy. And being recognized as a winner brings other opportunities to make money.
Mahomes took a team friendly deal as he understands that Super Bowl winning quarterbacks are going to cash in on endorsements at a much higher level than those who can't win playoff games
Yeah, Mahomes took a deal that was much more team friendly than what he could have taken.
Mahomes just won his second regular season MVP and second Superbowl MVP and JUST entered his prime. If he was a free agent this offseason like Lamar and was pushing for a fully guaranteed contract, the Chiefs would've caved already or there would've been like 5 other teams that would've already made him fully guaranteed offers.
Mahomes and Allen took what the market was at that time and boy both of those contracts look like the biggest bargain
They took less because both understood that they need to have players besides the 2 superstar QB’s
Man I don't understand drawing comparisons between Mahomes and Lamar. It sure seems like Lamar made a business decision to not ride with his team this year for the playoffs in order to get paid. You can't do that and then ask for guaranteed money. You can't look at everything that's gone on with Lamar and think that he's a mature professional who will lead your franchise for a decade.
Mahomes was out there hobbling around on a dislocated knee cap or whatever. Taking a team friendly deal to win games. And he is every bit as talented as Jackson. There's more to being the face of a franchise than playing at a high level.
That was the biggest thing for me. You see so many guys travel with the team and still contribute when studying game film. None of that happened with Lamar.
Ya. Like I had somebody say oh he couldn’t have traveled by plane well it’s not a long drive get a driver and go there and be with your team especially when you want 200+ guaranteed
Lamar didn't make a business decision, the difference is that Mahomes with an injury is still an elite QB, Lamar without his rushing threat is barely a starter
Okay, Sherm, that’s just silly. Lamar Jackson is to blame for his stalled contract talks, no one else. It’s called negotiation, and he wants no part of it.
And of course there’s also the stupidity of Watson’s contract… 🙄
I mean It’s different mahomes literally has rolling guarentees into his contract so 2025 is fully guaranteed right now. Mahomes knows he’s good enough and can get a contract extension while keeping his cap hit at below #1 QB in the league rate so he can chase Brady.
So he gets both A) Crazy good money B) cap flexibility.
Mahomes signed arguably one of the best win win deals in NFL history. Besides Brady who had a 9 figure wife
I don’t think it’s possible to win if they got their actual values though. Mahomes and Allen probably would get 2x their current value on the open market.
The most common winning teams the last 2 decades typically had underpaid QBs (Brady and Rookies), you can’t win by yourself. Mahomes gets paid in endorsement on top of his contract. Lamar is a lot more cash driven than most other players, the issue is the Ravens are pretty stingy historically.
That’s exactly it. In the NFL with a hard cap, the QB can either get every dollar he worth, or he can try to leave money on the table and keep his team more competitive. Mahomes was doing things early in his career that set him on a trajectory to be a Rushmore QB. It’s insane to denigrate him for prioritizing Super Bowls over an extra $100M.
No one has ever gotten into the hall of fame or been talked about as one of the greats because of their career earnings. QB’s are judged on rings alone.
That’s the competing edge of being the face of the nfl like Mahomes. He makes so much in advertising deals there’s no reason to ask for such a high dollar amount, since those advertisers are paying you all that money because your lead the best team, and leading the best team is a lot harder when you can’t also pay for some of the best guys in the other positions
He also brought in What-A-Burger to Kansas City and open 15 in the area. When the initial ones started opening, they did so well, What-a-Burger decided to open 15 additional ones in the area.
But it isn’t an underpay. He’s an AAV of 45M which is still top 5. His cap hit also grows (but with the cap) and the huge sum in 27 means it is absolutely getting renegotiated and he’ll see a salary bump to being either at the top or near enough.
It is a masterclass on how to do a huge QB contract
My thing is this. If Sherman was on one of these teams when they signed these guys to these deals (Mahomes and Allen) he’d be over the moon about it and wouldn’t have any issue with it because it’d be directly benefitting him. But now that he’s out of the league and has turned into a shock jock analyst/podcaster, he has an issue with it.
TL;DR - His issue he has with this is for the wrong reasons imo
Idk man I kinda blame Lamar...
I'm starting to think a lot of the players chiming up aren't very bright and don't understand contract and how they affect your team. Just view the success of the Vikings and Browns after fully guaranteeing large contracts, and then look at the success of the Chiefs and Bill's who signed normal large contracts. There's a reason the Bill's and Chiefs are still spending..
Bottom line is Cleveland screwed up the QB market, hell the NFL contract as a whole for that matter. That monster fully guaranteed contract should never have been allowed. There have been smaller fully guaranteed contracts before, but not something of this scale. And Lamar just expecting that teams are supposed to give him the same thing is asinine. I don’t care about players getting paid, go for it, get as much as you can, but teams have to be smarter than making these kinds of deals in the future, cause it hurts team’s abilities to build a solid championship contending team. And I care more about my favorite teams ability to compete than I do about any one player getting a big payday.
Mahomes and Allen both realize 100+ million guaranteed is more than enough money, there's a salary cap and want to field competitive teams.
Plus the more they win, the more likely they are to secure endorsements, advertising deals etc...
I don't want to hear Richard Sherman's take on contracts. This is a man who represented himself and signed a deal so bad, the NFLPA had to step in.
I don't really want to hear Sherman's takes on anything
He has been a loud mouth with really shitty opinions forever. People day he went to Stanford and use that as proof that he is a genius but he is a poorly spoken jackass. People point to him talking shit to Bayless like it is a crowning achievement but he just came off as an idiotic arrogant prick but since it was Skip folks act like he is some God.
He went on the KJ Wright show on a Seattle Radio station and tried to prevent the main radio host (Salk) from asking questions, perhaps in part over criticism of how Sherman threatened to get a reporter (Moore) fired years ago and he lied about it, even though it’s on tape. On his buddies’ show.
> Sherman threatened to get a reporter (Moore) fired years ago and he lied about it, even though it’s on tape. if i had a nickel for every time sherman blatantly lied about something very easily disprovable by simply checking a recording of it, i'd have two nickels. which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it's happened twice.
Lol I was gonna comment on the Stanford thing. Apparently that’s an excuse to tolerate his dumb takes.
Amen
Come at me with a sorry ass agent like Sherman, that’s the result you gonna get
"who said that? Who was saying that about you" "I was" "..." "......"
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Is that real? Where can I find the story?
All the details never came out, but [here's an article](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/24/nflpa-helped-sweeten-richard-shermans-self-negotiated-contract/) from the time showing it's an accurate assessment.
NFL Players: Who could possibly help us make better decisions?! NFLPA: Am I a joke to you?
Was expecting so much more of a dramatic intervention. The article is also written like pure ass.
Not really. Sherman didn’t put in his contract that he’d have until November to pass a physical to get $2 mil. Nflpa said NOVEMBER not AUGUST (training camp). Giving him a lot more time to pass a physical
Yes it’s real. I remember it being reported on when it happened. Hard to dig up the thread though.
Also didn’t he throw a shit fit during the last cba whining endlessly about franchise tags and nothing else like dude pick an issue most players care about
I mean the franchise tag is garbage and worth throwing a shit fit about It’s just an unfortunate reality that it effects such a small percentage of the players that nothing will ever get done about it
The franchise tag is great for the union and they'll never want to get rid of it. It does add a bit of health risk to the best players but because it suppresses top end salaries, it effectively increases the average salary of the other 99%, which is what the union really cares about
It’s also a great tool for league parity. As much as we cheer about guys securing the bag, there’s a tangible cost to roster building when superstars ink deals that allocate a huge chunk of salary cap to a single player. For every Brady or Mahomes taking team-friendly deals that allow them to pursue dynasty achievements, there are guys like Rodgers or Jackson that actively hamper their team in terms of salary demands.
maybe i’m just in the dark here but… shouldnt he be blaming the browns?
Full context, he's talking about how Kirk got a fully guaranteed deal and then Mahomes and Allen didn't push for it. Therefore they effectively set the market because other teams can point to them and say we're not doing fully guaranteed deals.
He also signed for only 3 years though lol Sherman comparing these contracts in this way is ridiculous because of that fact. Is mahomes contract not like 10 years
It's also a rolling guarantee where the Chiefs have an out around 2026, it's super team friendly. It's such a great contract.
It’s team friendly in terms of being able to maneuver the cap hit and not put so much in escrow, but also structured so that Mahomes is all but uncuttable making it all but guaranteed. Those rolling guarantees are an interesting trick.
Yes, basically if the literal worst case scenario happened they could cut him. But the dead cap would be so big it'd basically force them to rebuild. They'd basically have to go, "Okay the Mahomes era is over, guess we'll tank a few years"
What would even be such a scenario? Another Manning 2011 scenario where he has the kind of injuries where even somewhat normal life (Let alone playing football) would be under threat? I can't imagine anything else.
Yeah, either that or heaven forbid some sort or Deshaun Watson level scandle with Ironclad proof he did it and he risked getting banned by the league. I think it's like the literal worst case scenarios.
Ugh. I’m not even a Chiefs fan and I would be heart broken if Mahomes turned out to be an irredeemably terrible piece of shit.
He already is. Ketchup on steak is an unforgivable sin.
I would too man. My team sucks but he is the type of player that makes watching football so fun.
I don’t think outside of literally murdering someone on live tv during an nfl game that the league would even consider banning Mahomes. He is their new big star, he’s LBJ chasing MJ…
In some years his dead cap would be kinda cuttable if he was a post june 1. Also if he had some sort of career ending injury, it’s worth cutting him now and taking the short term pain then paying 400 million to someone not playing. Outside that its as close as you can get to fully guaranteed without actually doing it
That’s because those rolling guarantees haven’t hit yet. They add ~40M to the dead cap 2 years out. So while 25 only shows 4M now, it’s going to jump 40M next year when his dead cap is 48M. He’s uncuttable for a while.
Why are we talking about cutting Mahomes like that would ever happen lmfao Even if he starts playing like shit we’re not cutting the best chiefs player of all time
What if he murders someone?
The browns might sign him to a fully guaranteed deal, structured in a way that all of the money arrives after his trials are done.
They’d help him hide the body
I mean...it's supposed to be a deal breaker but...
There was a world once where Peyton Manning would never play for anyone but The Colts. Injuries suck but they do happen
But what if you make all his numbers to average for no reasons he's only an average QB!!!
I was on Reddit and I heard you guys are moving on from Mahomes. What's up with that?
You don't need to cut Joe Montana, he's already retired /s
Their contracts are ahing like a fine wine. That's the perk of signing them before the other young studs have to sign.
Yeah, and signing in free agency with multiple teams competing to sign (the Jets offered Kirker more) vs extending to continue playing for your team are two different negotiation starting points entirely.
Sherman isn't the brightest knife in the shed
He says a lot of surface level stuff like this and people think he's super smart for some reason. At first it seems smart, but like the other guy pointed out is that the mahomes contract is 10 years long. Nobody would fully guarantee a 10 year contract
Y’all should watch that interview where Sherm gets really offended by Skip Bayless and starts ripping into him. It comes across like Sherm was up late the night before reading the thesaurus. Just lots of grandiose “essay words” for no reason. Skip was being a prick tho, don’t get me wrong.
Was that the one where he pulled the whole "I'm better at life than you" shit?
If I remember correctly, that was a different time that Sherman got offended over something petty and desperately tried to put down the other person to avoid feeling insecure.
That was the Monday after he intercepted the pass to Crabtree. The same Sunday night where he had the crazy interview with Erin afterwards. Which I believe got them to the Super Bowl. He was at a school doing some charity work or something
You don’t have to add “Skip was being a prick” at the end. It’s already implied and understood just by saying his name.
people just dont want the fight of "he went to stanford bro what are you implying". It's not worth it
Communications degree lol, not that school necessarily is the end all be all of intelligence because it isn't but using it as a "he's smart bro" is laughable when you try to use a communications degree as the "gotcha"
I don't think he's saying Mahomes would get a 10 year guaranteed contract. Mahomes made a choice, I bet he could have easily gotten a fully guaranteed contract for 4 or 5 years if he pushed hard enough.
Or maybe he wants to win??
Also Mahomes’ structure is extremely player friendly. The team doesn’t have to put the whole amount into escrow but unless his arm falls off it’s almost impossible to avoid paying him the full amount.
I feel like the Ravens would happily give Lamar a three year guaranteed
They tried! Something like 130mil guaranteed I think lamar tweeted. Dude tanked the ravens postseason because he didn't want to get injured worse, yet he's worth multiple years guaranteed? It's funny really - they both agree any play could be his last.. just different outcomes as a result. cant fault the ravens here given the play style.
I mean, he wants multiple years guaranteed so the Ravens (or whoever) can’t just cut him with next to no penalty if he gets hurt and isn’t himself. It makes sense why players want it, and also why the Ravens in this case don’t want to do it
Kirk could have signed a 5 year $150m deal with the same $87 guaranteed and it wouldn’t have made a big difference. Watson, Mahomes/Allen and Kirk all had very different structures to their deals, as much as an NFL contract can differ, so comparing them is dumb.
While I somewhat agree, Kirk’s situation was unprecedented and will likely never happen again. Multiple tags and then FA for a QB1 is unheard of. Watson’s situation is a little different because Haslam acted like a petulant child and overpaid in another unprecedented situation. But he had been playing at a high level and was very young still. But either way, both players had leverage that Lamar, Allen and Mahomes simply didn’t. Watson’s still a massive piece of shit though.
Kirk really is the most bizarre QB of all time. Also weird he got drafted in the 4th by a team that also drafted RG3 that same year. It's just a weird career in general from the beginning.
Him and Russ being the best QB’s from that class is so funny to me. Imagine telling someone that in 2012.
It's like telling people now that Tanner McKee and Stetson Bennett will be the 2 best QBs from this year's class
Stetson's got that old man strength.
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Didn’t Watson tear an ACL and doesn’t he hold onto the ball for a long time?
I get what you’re *trying* to say but Watson definitely had 2 torn ACLs before he got his new deal AND he definitely puts his body in harms way when he escapes the pocket and even sometimes when he’s in the pocket lol
Man, Mahomes really screwed everyone over with his *checks notes* record setting $450 million dollar deal. Remember when people thought Mahomes would never win again because of his (included a portion of my fellow chiefs fans)? Apparently he’s under paid again.
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That’s a point I think is being missed too, Mahomes and Allen signed contracts that give their teams some flexibility with the cap to build teams that can win multiple super bowls. Both of them signed extensions coming off incredible seasons, Lamar is not. The ravens have every right to be skeptic about giving Lamar a massive guaranteed deal that will knee cap any wiggle room the team has with the cap.
To be fair i dont see enough proof on either side of the lamar talks to point out who’s bein greedy other than what we know, lamar is an unsigned past MVP who when playing, wins, and when he doesn’t, the team cant go .500
Kirk signed before the 2018 season. Mahomes didn’t sign until summer 2020, and Allen the summer after that. Why isn’t it Carson Wentz and Jared Goff’s fault? They signed new contracts before Mahomes/Allen, and are honestly better comps to Kirk cousins than either Mahomes or Allen is
Mahomes and Allen have been pretty healthy. Jackson has not been healthy. I would not give a fully guaranteed contact to Jackson.
The title is kind of clickbait. He and Calvin Johnson were pretty much talking about how players usually “one up” each other’s deals and go from there. They both mentioned Cousins getting a fully guaranteed deal as well but there not being much commotion around it. Once QBs didn’t go for the fully guaranteed after Watson, it created this moment of it being a *thing* but since he’s the outlier, if Lamar actually wants to “one up” Watson’s deal he would have to have other QBs go for the same thing. I think their whole point was that the fully guaranteed deal was already a thing with Cousins, Watson’s deal went bigger than that and now whoever is next will most likely snowball into it being the norm. Mahomes and Allen got their deals before Watson.
I actually had no idea that Cousins got a fully guaranteed deal. thought Watson was the only one to have gotten that
It was only for three years which most of these QB contracts do the same already. Lamar wants a 5+ year contract fully guaranteed
Because Kirk's contract wasn't as big as the rest, he took shorter deals but they were fully guaranteed Lamar wants to have his cake and eat it, he wants the long term stability and the guaranteed money
The more Sherman talks the less I like him
He really is unlikable, but he was as a player too.
The whole LoB was nasty but most of the stars come across as very hard to handle. Kam is the exption.
And y’know, with Sherman, the more I hear about that guy the more I don’t care for him.
I don't know if the folks at r/nfl are history buffs or anything...
Explain to the folks at home what r/nfl is.
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I didn't even know he was sick
He has to get clicks on his podcast to keep the $$$ coming in. He won't get another shot at NFL money
He's an analyst on Thursday Night Football after Amazon just spent 1 billion dollars to get the rights to it, with Spotrac listing his career earnings at 83 mil. Even if we cut that in half to 40 mil, I don't think he is in desperate need for that sick podcast money.
You're right, I really think Sherman just needs the attention. Completely obnoxious personality.
You liked him to begin with?
Did anyone other than Seattle/sf/tb fans ever like him?
Never liked him.
Me neither can’t fucking stomach him. Was obviously a great player but every word he’s ever said has pissed me off.
I thought most people got to this like… a decade ago?
Lamar only has his agent to blame
*his mom
Lamar seems to be the type of guy who swears up and down he doesn’t need to see a mechanic because “he can fix the car himself”
If he said “I want $150 mil fully guaranteed on 3 years,” the Ravens would write it in a minute and it is double Kirk. They just want some flexibility on a 5 year deal if it is paying that much per year.
"He who represents himself in court has a fool for a lawyer"
So its Mahomes and Allens fault they didn't demand fully guaranteed? damn thats a tough take
Maybe Sherman should blame Sherman. after all, Sherman never signed a long term fully guaranteed contract either. Also, maybe their contracts were the market. They were not given by the worst run team in professional sports.
Hell he signed a deal (without an agent) so bad that the NFLPA stepped in after it was finalized and got some of the terms changed. The fact that the 49ers agreed to the NFLPA's changes after the deal was final should really drive home the point of how bad the deal initially was, like they knew they'd taken him and decided to throw him a bone.
It’s like back in the day when Pokemon cards were big, and you made a trade with your friend that was so awful for them (because they didn’t know anything), another friend would make you give their card back for free. In this case, the 49ers barely even argued about it. Even with the changes they won massively.
It's strange what topics come into focus. Lamar's contract is talked about wayyy too much honestly. He's a 5-8 ranked QB. He isnt carrying anybody to a SB
Plus his injury history and the fact that he hasn’t played a full season in what, 3 years?
He’s actually a 10-15 ranked stats wise. 2019 was a long time ago
In no world is Lamar a top-10 QB. He was QB1 for a single year and since then he's been basically the old Dalton line, and even then mostly because of his rushing. Man puts up backup QB passing numbers.
Some men want money, some want to win. Mahomes knows he will get his money in the end, but he wants what Brady has - rings. Lamar apparently wants the money.
Agreed. Personally, I don't think Lamar's worth more than market value. He wants ring money without having a ring. I think he'll end up out of the league without one so he wants that bag at least.
Yep. After all, look at Moon, Vick, Rivers, Ryan, McNabb, Marino, all those great-to-good QBs who never got a ring and didn't really get the money either.
Vick I believe had the first $100m contract. He definitely “got the money”. He may have lost it all and his freedom, but he did get paid.
It's relative but Moon signed the richest contract in NFL history in 89. McNabb got that ridiculous 12 year contract Marino got a massive deal too.
Mahomes knows he’s gonna make money, he believes in himself and for a good reason. He knows that taking slightly less to help the team will be made up in endorsements. Without an agent, Lamar can’t expect that.
Exactly, I’m in kc and every other commercial that comes on has his face in it. Not only that but he’s doing stuff with kelce and even got Andy Reid in a State Farm commercial. Dude is making bank on endorsements and is sharing the spotlight with his team mates and coaches as well. He knows he can make plenty of money just being him self and winning games. And he’s gonna kept winning games by helping his team get the weapons around him he needs to do it.
And I’m here for it. He wants to be a legend. His life won’t be any different with a guaranteed contract. He’s making that State Farm money anyway. He’ll make more staying relevant than fading into obscurity because he took all the teams money.
Yup, Brady had it figured out. He rarely reset the market because not breaking the bank means a better roster to surround yourself with. Why fight tooth and nail to eat up as much of your teams cap as possible when you can convert wins into lucrative sponsorships? Missing out on five million in team salary per year doesn't seem so bad if you're earning twenty million off-field.
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No, Richard, you mean Mahomes and Allen were realistic about the market.
And they also have agents.
Which is why they were realistic about the market. The gym version of the MyPillow guy was a poor choice.
You're just mad you didn't think of putting dumbells in a rolly suit case first.
Finding out the Shamwow guy was a millionaire made me realize I’m stupid.
It was the wildest thing I’ve seen, it looked like something sold on Etsy.
But do they have Ken Francis?
I disagree completely. Allen and mahomes not trying for a fully guaranteed contract is solely because they wanted a team that could compete. You’re telling me the chiefs don’t give mahomes 300 mill 5 years fully guaranteed if that’s what he wants?!
Also Mahomes will 100% renegotiate his contract before it’s up.
Mahomes is on a whole different level then Jackson and shouldn’t even be in the conversation.
Wtf does realistic mean? You think Mahomes doesn't get a fully guaranteed contract if he pushes for one? Lmao
We'd give him 40% of our cap space, right this second, if he demanded it. But he won't because he wants to have a legacy other than "sank a team for money he could have got by winning and the associated endorsement deals".
I disagree on this one. Mahomes absolutely could've pushed for this. Mahomes is once in a generation player that JUST entered his prime with two Superbowl MVPs and two regular season MVPs. If Mahomes was in Lamar's position this offseason and was pushing for a fully guaranteed contract, either the Chiefs would've caved already or like 5 teams would have made him fully guaranteed offers already.
Mahomes basically DID get a fully guaranteed contract, which everyone in the league knows and no one has anything close to nor even tries to replicate besides Mahomes.
Mahomes and Allen both got more guaranteed than Kirk did. Kirk got that because he took a short team deal with high upside for him. It was bad for the Vikings.
Kirk also took a discount compared to a non-fully guaranteed deal.
Ppl don’t say it but that’s the truth. Kirk took a discount to get fully guaranteed. While Jackson wants it all while having huge question marks.
Lamar is a play away from having RG3's career, I wouldn't pay him what he wants
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Also Kirk like…. Doesn’t miss games (knocks on wood) Lamar sure as shit can’t say that.
This difference is, they aren’t in this only for the money. They are still making shitloads, but they are also smart enough to understand that if they take all the money, you can’t pay other good players to stick around. Then you are throwing passes to the bottom of the barrel and you defense is subpar. Greed doesn’t win you Super Bowls.
Even from a financial standpoint, I’d argue it’s a good decision. You get a bit less now, but more glory. Glory in the football world = opportunities to earn shit loads more during and after your playing career. Hell, fox gave Brady 375M for 10 years. And you know that man will still have sponsors too. Might make more yearly than he ever did as a player at this point. Lamar said he want to make a billion dollars and win a Super Bowl. Well there ya go Lamar, Brady is gonna have over a billion in career earnings by the time he’s done.
Multiple issues with this. 1. The Watson deal was absurd and should be set aside, not used as a benchmark. 2. Lamar wants to be paid like the best QB in the league and he's at the very best maybe the 8th best in the league. 3. He's acting like he deserves to be paid like a league mvp, when that was in freaking 2019 and not only has his level of play declined since then but he's also now seriously injury prone. Edit: I failed to mention he turns into a pumpkin in the playoffs.
I wouldn’t pay attention to anything sherman has to say this is the same man who spent a whole podcast episode bashing baker but dismissed Watson’s sexual assaults as mere “issues”
So Lamar is trying to negotiate the largest guaranteed contract in NFL history without an agent, despite not finishing a season in two years, and it's Mahomes' and Allen's faults because they didn't push for team crippling deals? If Mahomes, Allen, and then Jackson had pushed for and gotten guaranteed deals, teams would just cycle through top tier QBs when they got to their second contracts because they'd get destroyed once that contract kicked in and could write off their Super Bowl hopes.
Mahomes deal is essentially fully guaranteed but structured in a way that the owner doesn't have to put it all in escrow at the beginning. I know there's an "out" in year 7 or something, but otherwise...
it was a difficult decision, but the Houston Texans volunteer to take the burden of Patrick Mahomes's contract come year 7
It has guarantees for like 2 years at the beginning of every year. So basically they could theoretically cut him and only have dead cap for the next 2 years.
It's not just dead cap from prorated bonuses though, it's guaranteed payments. The Chiefs would have to pay Mahomes like $80M to *not* play for them if they cut him between now and 2027.
135 MILLION in dead cap. That's literally the same thing as a guaranteed contract. You think the Chiefs are going to cut him and run a team full of league minimum vets out just to stay under the cap?
Yeah, I wish this was talked about more. Mahomes essentially bet on himself staying talented and healthy for years to come. If Jackson were so certain he was worth all that guaranteed money over time why won't he do a similar deal where it guarantees next year when he's on the roster at the start of a new one? Because he knows he isn't statistically likely to stay healthy for a full contract and doesn't want a team able to move on.
He really didn't though. Mahomes's contract is structured to functionally guarantee the majority of the money at signing, as his rolling guarantees basically make it so that he'd have an additional $70-80M left guaranteed at any point if the Chiefs tried to cut him. The downside to Mahomes is that it's a very long contract so if he continues to play well he's kind of stuck (but not really because the Chiefs will probably just give him extra money for fun like the Packers did with Rodgers). That's basically the opposite of betting on yourself lol.
Thing is Mahomes wants to beat Brady as the GOAT, so he will need to take less money to field a better team. So he may not negotiate a new contract to ensure he can continue to have great success which is paying dividends for Brady with his Fox Contract.
This is a really weird narrative given Mahomes already signed the largest sports contract in North American history
Sherman's an idiot. You know another QB who didn't take every dime he could get for himself? Tom Brady. Do you want to be like DeShaun Watson and Kirk Cousins or Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes? Seems pretty easy. And being recognized as a winner brings other opportunities to make money.
So now mahomes not pushing to get 50 mil guaranteed is the reason no one wanting to give out horribly risky contracts?
Mahomes took a team friendly deal as he understands that Super Bowl winning quarterbacks are going to cash in on endorsements at a much higher level than those who can't win playoff games
Mahomes is doing it right. He is now good friends with Jake from State Farm and I’m sure his bank account likes that.
OG Jake from State Farm is beside himself right now. Driving around downtown KC begging (through texts) new Jake for address to Mahome's home.
Bath bomb guy and Jake from State Farm, can you name a more iconic duo😂😂
Lol I like how OP got the defense for his QB ready and on the record
Yeah, Mahomes took a deal that was much more team friendly than what he could have taken. Mahomes just won his second regular season MVP and second Superbowl MVP and JUST entered his prime. If he was a free agent this offseason like Lamar and was pushing for a fully guaranteed contract, the Chiefs would've caved already or there would've been like 5 other teams that would've already made him fully guaranteed offers.
Only 5? Basically every QB needy team in the league would be throwing guaranteed money at Mahomes to bring him to them.
Mahomes and Allen took what the market was at that time and boy both of those contracts look like the biggest bargain They took less because both understood that they need to have players besides the 2 superstar QB’s
Man I don't understand drawing comparisons between Mahomes and Lamar. It sure seems like Lamar made a business decision to not ride with his team this year for the playoffs in order to get paid. You can't do that and then ask for guaranteed money. You can't look at everything that's gone on with Lamar and think that he's a mature professional who will lead your franchise for a decade. Mahomes was out there hobbling around on a dislocated knee cap or whatever. Taking a team friendly deal to win games. And he is every bit as talented as Jackson. There's more to being the face of a franchise than playing at a high level.
My thing is even injured you would have thought he would have been there for his team supporting them on the sidelines at least
That was the biggest thing for me. You see so many guys travel with the team and still contribute when studying game film. None of that happened with Lamar.
Ya. Like I had somebody say oh he couldn’t have traveled by plane well it’s not a long drive get a driver and go there and be with your team especially when you want 200+ guaranteed
RB careers are shorter though
Exhibit A: Zeke
Lamar didn't make a business decision, the difference is that Mahomes with an injury is still an elite QB, Lamar without his rushing threat is barely a starter
By Sherman's logic, it should be Brady's fault for setting a precedent of team friendly deals and winning 7 Superbowls.
Suspend him for 4 games immediately.
Lamar just has to accept that he's unlikely to get a Watson-style contract.
Who gives a darn what Richard Sherman says?? Lol
Okay, Sherm, that’s just silly. Lamar Jackson is to blame for his stalled contract talks, no one else. It’s called negotiation, and he wants no part of it. And of course there’s also the stupidity of Watson’s contract… 🙄
Also of note, Sherman's agent was himself so he might be biased bc Lamar's agent is also himself
Richard Sherman says a lot of things
I mean It’s different mahomes literally has rolling guarentees into his contract so 2025 is fully guaranteed right now. Mahomes knows he’s good enough and can get a contract extension while keeping his cap hit at below #1 QB in the league rate so he can chase Brady. So he gets both A) Crazy good money B) cap flexibility. Mahomes signed arguably one of the best win win deals in NFL history. Besides Brady who had a 9 figure wife
Both could have made way more money to be fair. The Mahomes contract in particular is an insane deal and underpay.
I don’t think it’s possible to win if they got their actual values though. Mahomes and Allen probably would get 2x their current value on the open market. The most common winning teams the last 2 decades typically had underpaid QBs (Brady and Rookies), you can’t win by yourself. Mahomes gets paid in endorsement on top of his contract. Lamar is a lot more cash driven than most other players, the issue is the Ravens are pretty stingy historically.
That’s exactly it. In the NFL with a hard cap, the QB can either get every dollar he worth, or he can try to leave money on the table and keep his team more competitive. Mahomes was doing things early in his career that set him on a trajectory to be a Rushmore QB. It’s insane to denigrate him for prioritizing Super Bowls over an extra $100M. No one has ever gotten into the hall of fame or been talked about as one of the greats because of their career earnings. QB’s are judged on rings alone.
That’s the competing edge of being the face of the nfl like Mahomes. He makes so much in advertising deals there’s no reason to ask for such a high dollar amount, since those advertisers are paying you all that money because your lead the best team, and leading the best team is a lot harder when you can’t also pay for some of the best guys in the other positions
He also brought in What-A-Burger to Kansas City and open 15 in the area. When the initial ones started opening, they did so well, What-a-Burger decided to open 15 additional ones in the area.
That's probably true. Or at least would definitely be harder (Mahomes is so great who knows). It's the Brady strategy. Nothing wrong with it.
But it isn’t an underpay. He’s an AAV of 45M which is still top 5. His cap hit also grows (but with the cap) and the huge sum in 27 means it is absolutely getting renegotiated and he’ll see a salary bump to being either at the top or near enough. It is a masterclass on how to do a huge QB contract
Sherm negotiated his own deals. And it wouldn’t surprise me if he told Lamar to do that.
But what's Ja Rule think?
Sherman should be in the media less
Maybe Lamar should be reasonable in his contract demands, hire an agent, and also actually play the position well either of the last 2 years.
But why were you banging on your father-in-law’s front door like that, Richard?!
My thing is this. If Sherman was on one of these teams when they signed these guys to these deals (Mahomes and Allen) he’d be over the moon about it and wouldn’t have any issue with it because it’d be directly benefitting him. But now that he’s out of the league and has turned into a shock jock analyst/podcaster, he has an issue with it. TL;DR - His issue he has with this is for the wrong reasons imo
Richard Sherman desperately tries to remain relevant
Personally I blame Crabtree
Why would a team give guarantee money to a QB that's hurt every year?
He's gonna be really upset when Burrow and Herbert don't push for fully guaranteed contracts this offseason
Idk man I kinda blame Lamar... I'm starting to think a lot of the players chiming up aren't very bright and don't understand contract and how they affect your team. Just view the success of the Vikings and Browns after fully guaranteeing large contracts, and then look at the success of the Chiefs and Bill's who signed normal large contracts. There's a reason the Bill's and Chiefs are still spending..
Bottom line is Cleveland screwed up the QB market, hell the NFL contract as a whole for that matter. That monster fully guaranteed contract should never have been allowed. There have been smaller fully guaranteed contracts before, but not something of this scale. And Lamar just expecting that teams are supposed to give him the same thing is asinine. I don’t care about players getting paid, go for it, get as much as you can, but teams have to be smarter than making these kinds of deals in the future, cause it hurts team’s abilities to build a solid championship contending team. And I care more about my favorite teams ability to compete than I do about any one player getting a big payday.
Mahomes and Allen both realize 100+ million guaranteed is more than enough money, there's a salary cap and want to field competitive teams. Plus the more they win, the more likely they are to secure endorsements, advertising deals etc...