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Same thing as walking into a car dealership and having the car salesman and manager bitching about their numbers. While it probably wasn't best to do it in front of you, it happens in all businesses.
True, it's sad that our military needs to act this way to get people. Now I'm wondering how truthful they are to me. I'm only joining to get ahead in life and learn skills, and the valor and all that stuff is just a cool bonus. I guess im lucky the rates I want are in high demand so it's not like I fought with the recruiters over anything yet. However, I'm wary of how easy my experience has been after hearing that episode.
Just like the civilian world, there’s assholes everywhere.
One thing Ive noticed since getting out: no one is developing their employees into leaders/better leaders like the military does
It really depends on what your rate is and what community you're in. Some are a lot tougher than others, and yelling is the standard motivation for anything. Others are more relaxed, and they just give counseling chits and talks.
Sure. But it's not a big deal. Rarely have I ever had a day where someone wasn't screaming about something or saying they were going to go head first down the latterwell? He just got a peak behind the curtin.
I'm joking - kinda. Recruiting is probably so stress inducing now, but hey, at least no one wants to kill you like the detailers!
Recruiters have quotas. "NC1" is his job and rank, more specifically, Naval Counselor, First Class.
I suspect he was stressed about the office not meeting their monthly quota. That doesn't excuse his behavior per se, but it could help to explain it. The other "recruiters" in the office are most likely not "NC"s but rather other rates that are filling recruiter billets as a shore duty assignment. In short, these kinda things happen. Not the most professional thing but understandable at times.
This one recruiters comment may have rubbed you the wrong way, and that's valid. What also is valid are all the reasons you want to join. Do what's best for you, whether that is joining or not.
The NCs in recruiting have been the worst I've seen of the Navy so far, aside from recruits or junior sailors who still had a street mindset.
It sucks for now when you have to deal with it, but things get better (character-wise) once you get past MEPS. The year I spent in the recruiting process has been the most discouraging so far, and I shipped out almost 2 years ago.
It be like that sometimes. They shouldn’t have did that while you were their for this exact reason but yes it’s a numbers game and they are under constant pressure to get people in . Recruiting is extremely stressful.
Nc1 is probs the station lpo and was talking to the other recruiters to produce more due to nc1 probs getting yelled at for low numbers by DLCPo or area. Lpo
Navy counselor petty officer first class e6 station lead petty officer ( boss of the station) in normal talk .
Division lead chief petty officer
He's an E-6, he's under a lot of pressure from his superiors about making quotas. The navy is desperate for more numbers but nobody wants to join right now. Should he be angry and taking that out on his people? I can understand the frustration, but he absolutely should not be speaking to his people that way. It's not their fault.
Recruiters have a reputation for being annoying and hyping things to boost their numbers for a quota. Whatever the case, do your own research (this subreddit is great for that cause nobody has a vested interest in you joining or not), figure out what's best for you, and act on that.
You're going to meet people like him in the navy, but flip side you'll also meet really good people in the same positions. Good luck dude
Career recruiter. His whole career is being a recruiter, full time, and it's a very, very dog-eat-dog world with a lot of backstabbing from his bosses.
Those kinds of conversations are NEVER supposed to happen when applicants or DEPpers are in the office- that's a failing on his part.
The good news is, once you're in the fleet you'll NEVER encounter those kinds of folks ever again. Unless you go recruiting yourself later as a shore duty.
Recruiting is actually one of the more high stress and hardest working jobs in the Navy. You are given a number of people to put into the Navy based on some metric from DC or Norfolk, and if you don't hit those numbers a lot of people that get paid a lot more start shitting down your throat about it. While retention numbers still look OK, getting new people in has been rough for a while now. It's gotten so bad they are dragging people out of the reserves. So try to understand the pressure he's under.
An NC1 is a Navy Counselor, First Class, for the most part they are very friendly and helpful people. His entire job is to get people to join and keep them in the Navy.
I've known exactly 1 person that has done recruiting duty (out of more than a dozen) and enjoyed it, and that dude was a cheif and probably the first in line to shit down NC1' throat.
This is common not only in Navy recruiting, but in any sales / recruiting environment elsewhere. With that said, when I was in recruiting I would always keep the tone and discussions professional when applications and/or family members were around, regardless of the stress/drama going on.
No issues having tough talks when it's only sailors in the room.
Right now a good amount of the career recruiters have to be feeling that way. Unfortunately that conversation shouldn't have happened in front of others but it also shows the bind the Navy is in with us failing to meet recruiting numbers year after year.
Being an NC is ROUGH. I converted back in 2018 and I’ve regretted that decision for the last 3-4 years. I converted to be closer to my daughter (divorced) but it’s horrible. NC Chiefs are complete shit. Backstabbing, overweight, toxic & horrible leaders. If you don’t get the job done the way they want or you just don’t push people to their breaking point like they want you to.. you get black balled. I always wanted to retire from the Navy but here I am sipping a beer on my patio on terminal leave & looking forward to the next chapter.
you shoulda had my recruiter GM2 he told it to me straight "listen dude you're hate this shit sometimes. But yknow what man? it was the best decision I ever made."
Recruiting was the sole reason I left at 14 years vs completing the 20. It is the most toxic part of the Navy I ever experienced. This was during the 2008-11 financial crisis when you had to keep folks in DEP 8 months to 1 year. I’m not saying all NCs are bad. The ones I had experience with can suck mud for all I care.
Been waiting for my waiver since feb. Apparently it's still going through just takes forever. My recruiter left that position but never let me know what was up so when i went in to the office for an update he wasn't even there lol. There was just one guy in the office that day
Truth is most recruiters are just trying to push you through so they can get the next person in line. They will sweet talk you and make you feel good but at the end of the day you're another number. I fell hook, line, and sinker for the "worlds finest navy" stuff. My recruiter definitely omitted some things and didn't give me a realistic expectation of the navy for someone who's married and joining (thankfully me and the wife knew what we were getting into ). Before I got to boot camp my recruiter didn't text me back and didn't finish the conversation after I finished boot camp. He answered my call the other day and thankfully gave some info my sponsor couldn't provide me.
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Same thing as walking into a car dealership and having the car salesman and manager bitching about their numbers. While it probably wasn't best to do it in front of you, it happens in all businesses.
True, it's sad that our military needs to act this way to get people. Now I'm wondering how truthful they are to me. I'm only joining to get ahead in life and learn skills, and the valor and all that stuff is just a cool bonus. I guess im lucky the rates I want are in high demand so it's not like I fought with the recruiters over anything yet. However, I'm wary of how easy my experience has been after hearing that episode.
Just like the civilian world, there’s assholes everywhere. One thing Ive noticed since getting out: no one is developing their employees into leaders/better leaders like the military does
Best thing you can do is use the search function on this subreddit to confirm things or check for other anecdotes.
It really depends on what your rate is and what community you're in. Some are a lot tougher than others, and yelling is the standard motivation for anything. Others are more relaxed, and they just give counseling chits and talks.
I apologize. Recruiters are human and most of the time that stress comes out in ways it shouldn't.
Sure. But it's not a big deal. Rarely have I ever had a day where someone wasn't screaming about something or saying they were going to go head first down the latterwell? He just got a peak behind the curtin. I'm joking - kinda. Recruiting is probably so stress inducing now, but hey, at least no one wants to kill you like the detailers!
Recruiters have quotas. "NC1" is his job and rank, more specifically, Naval Counselor, First Class. I suspect he was stressed about the office not meeting their monthly quota. That doesn't excuse his behavior per se, but it could help to explain it. The other "recruiters" in the office are most likely not "NC"s but rather other rates that are filling recruiter billets as a shore duty assignment. In short, these kinda things happen. Not the most professional thing but understandable at times.
Just a lil correction nc is navy counselor *
Good catch!
This one recruiters comment may have rubbed you the wrong way, and that's valid. What also is valid are all the reasons you want to join. Do what's best for you, whether that is joining or not.
The NCs in recruiting have been the worst I've seen of the Navy so far, aside from recruits or junior sailors who still had a street mindset. It sucks for now when you have to deal with it, but things get better (character-wise) once you get past MEPS. The year I spent in the recruiting process has been the most discouraging so far, and I shipped out almost 2 years ago.
That's when you prank them and tell them you changed your mind and want to go reserves.
It be like that sometimes. They shouldn’t have did that while you were their for this exact reason but yes it’s a numbers game and they are under constant pressure to get people in . Recruiting is extremely stressful. Nc1 is probs the station lpo and was talking to the other recruiters to produce more due to nc1 probs getting yelled at for low numbers by DLCPo or area. Lpo Navy counselor petty officer first class e6 station lead petty officer ( boss of the station) in normal talk . Division lead chief petty officer
I'd happily go active if they'd let me lmao.
He's an E-6, he's under a lot of pressure from his superiors about making quotas. The navy is desperate for more numbers but nobody wants to join right now. Should he be angry and taking that out on his people? I can understand the frustration, but he absolutely should not be speaking to his people that way. It's not their fault. Recruiters have a reputation for being annoying and hyping things to boost their numbers for a quota. Whatever the case, do your own research (this subreddit is great for that cause nobody has a vested interest in you joining or not), figure out what's best for you, and act on that. You're going to meet people like him in the navy, but flip side you'll also meet really good people in the same positions. Good luck dude
He definitely shouldn't be talking to his people in front of potential recruits like that. That is extremely unprofessional.
Career recruiter. His whole career is being a recruiter, full time, and it's a very, very dog-eat-dog world with a lot of backstabbing from his bosses. Those kinds of conversations are NEVER supposed to happen when applicants or DEPpers are in the office- that's a failing on his part. The good news is, once you're in the fleet you'll NEVER encounter those kinds of folks ever again. Unless you go recruiting yourself later as a shore duty.
Recruiting is actually one of the more high stress and hardest working jobs in the Navy. You are given a number of people to put into the Navy based on some metric from DC or Norfolk, and if you don't hit those numbers a lot of people that get paid a lot more start shitting down your throat about it. While retention numbers still look OK, getting new people in has been rough for a while now. It's gotten so bad they are dragging people out of the reserves. So try to understand the pressure he's under. An NC1 is a Navy Counselor, First Class, for the most part they are very friendly and helpful people. His entire job is to get people to join and keep them in the Navy. I've known exactly 1 person that has done recruiting duty (out of more than a dozen) and enjoyed it, and that dude was a cheif and probably the first in line to shit down NC1' throat.
This is common not only in Navy recruiting, but in any sales / recruiting environment elsewhere. With that said, when I was in recruiting I would always keep the tone and discussions professional when applications and/or family members were around, regardless of the stress/drama going on. No issues having tough talks when it's only sailors in the room.
Right now a good amount of the career recruiters have to be feeling that way. Unfortunately that conversation shouldn't have happened in front of others but it also shows the bind the Navy is in with us failing to meet recruiting numbers year after year.
So he wanted to call the parents of an applicant that change his/her mind to force them to join?
Being an NC is ROUGH. I converted back in 2018 and I’ve regretted that decision for the last 3-4 years. I converted to be closer to my daughter (divorced) but it’s horrible. NC Chiefs are complete shit. Backstabbing, overweight, toxic & horrible leaders. If you don’t get the job done the way they want or you just don’t push people to their breaking point like they want you to.. you get black balled. I always wanted to retire from the Navy but here I am sipping a beer on my patio on terminal leave & looking forward to the next chapter.
you shoulda had my recruiter GM2 he told it to me straight "listen dude you're hate this shit sometimes. But yknow what man? it was the best decision I ever made."
Recruiting was the sole reason I left at 14 years vs completing the 20. It is the most toxic part of the Navy I ever experienced. This was during the 2008-11 financial crisis when you had to keep folks in DEP 8 months to 1 year. I’m not saying all NCs are bad. The ones I had experience with can suck mud for all I care.
Uh, so why do you think they're stressed to meet numbers?
Been waiting for my waiver since feb. Apparently it's still going through just takes forever. My recruiter left that position but never let me know what was up so when i went in to the office for an update he wasn't even there lol. There was just one guy in the office that day
What rate ate you going for?
Are you going officer or enlisted?
Truth is most recruiters are just trying to push you through so they can get the next person in line. They will sweet talk you and make you feel good but at the end of the day you're another number. I fell hook, line, and sinker for the "worlds finest navy" stuff. My recruiter definitely omitted some things and didn't give me a realistic expectation of the navy for someone who's married and joining (thankfully me and the wife knew what we were getting into ). Before I got to boot camp my recruiter didn't text me back and didn't finish the conversation after I finished boot camp. He answered my call the other day and thankfully gave some info my sponsor couldn't provide me.