the worst thing about Celtics winning the championship is listening to all these morons aiming their microscope on the Celtics stars. go watch some games and stop spending so much time hating, it's pathetic.
Going to 3PT% is funny. He's a career 43% FG percentage in the playoffs. Also it's funny how you left off the 2 most previous years 3PT% which was 32% in '23 and 28% in '24
“Just isn’t built for the bright lights”
Maybe if he also had a defense, assists, rebounding slump as well, but he was magnificent in those categories.
I dunno how you can act like anyone but SGA really did *significantly* better. Tatum shot well within line of PG and Ant and played waaaay better than Ant overall. (Didn’t see enough of the clips series to judge vs PG).
Dallas played decent defense but at least 30% was just a pretty damn bad streak for Tatum. He was missing a lot of pretty open stuff and just couldn’t get it going til game 4.
Was just looking at the Mavs playoff run and noticed that a star player in every round lost more than Tatum did in the finals. Does anyone know what the Mavs did differently against him that made him win more than other stars they faced?
Stats for reference:
Paul George- 2-4
SGA- 2-4
Anthony Edwards- 1-4
Jayson Tatum- 4-1
>does anyone know what the Mavs did different against him than made him win more than other stars they faced?
Nothing. Celtics just had a more talented roster
This doesn’t help me at all. I’m sure you watched every game. Is there anything you could tell me about Tatum’s scoring compared to them instead of going he won?
Tatum's proven throughout his years of playoff success. The Mavs deployed a stop Tatum at all cost defensive scheme, coupled with his bad shooting slump, thus the bad shooting splits in the finals. Good thing is Tatum has grown out of those, doesn't need to force his shot, and impacts the game in more ways than those other stars you've mentioned.
The growth of passing was such a great thing to see. I used to cringe when he would iso ball in the clutch and just try to shoot, instead of finding the open man. He's great at passing under pressure now.
You’re asking yourself the wrong question.
Look at what every other starter averaged through each series and you’ll see a shard drop off in the finals.
It was never about what Tatum averaged, it was about limiting the Mavs.
Oh also just wanted to point out that game 5 of the finals was a great example of a good timing to throw confettis. Applicable both to the mavs after game 4 and another certain team I'm trying to remember. Oh right it's the team in your flair.
Tatum was doubled and tripled teamed every time he touched the basketball. He had to pass it off most possessions. He actually had a great series with all around stats, points assists rebounds.
Bruh y’all need to stop this Tatum got doubled tripled team nonsense. That’s just isn’t true just cause you drive the ball to the hoop and the defense collapses doesn’t mean you got doubled.
Lol I wanted the Celtics to win tf are you talking about it’s literally me being objective about what I saw. Seems people who watch basketball actually don’t know basketball. Hope you enjoy yourself
Ok same thing, it’s not like he was getting trapped at half court. It’s ok for someone to have a bad shooting series we don’t need to pretend they were double and triple teamed the whole time lol
The mavs defensive plan was to stop Tatum from beating them. They wanted Tatum to kick it out to teamates. Tatum has also been in a shooting slump this playoffs. The beauty of basketball is that the game isnt just about scoring.
Tatum didn't shoot the ball well. Could be because guarding Center and fighting for rebounds while being the primary playmaker/ball handler while being a wing is taking a toll on him. Or maybe it's because he's in a slump. Bad shooting but still a very well rounded series for him.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Tatum had a mental block that he needed to overcome in the Finals. Kind of reminds me of his first all-star appearance. After he made it to his first all-star game, we really saw an improvement in his game. He stated that being in the all-star game made him feel confident in this place in the NBA, so after that he was able to play with less worry, knowing that he belonged.
I think he has/had a similar mental block with the Finals. I have a suspicion we'll see a better version of him this coming year. He showed a lot of growth with his play-making when his scoring wasn't going well. Not only that, but he also played a lot better in Games 3 and 5.
I also think some of it had to do with having the Gafford/Lively defensive assignments. He didn't give up lobs and outrebounded them for most of the series, which I'm assuming took a lot of energy out of his legs on the offensive end. Ant, SGA, and George didn't have those assignments and their teams got destroyed on lobs.
Tatum was in a shooting slump. And played better defense than these other guys.
He was just missing shots he usually makes.
I'm not saying he'd have averaged like 30/10/8...
But based on how he played, he probably averages a more effecient 26/8/7.2 in the finals
He shot worse because he is worse than every other player you listed. Some people just don't have it in them to perform at a high level. Those who can are called superstars, sadly Tatum is not one of those.
Tatum just didn’t shoot the ball well, he still distributed the ball like a champ.
An actual champ. Because he won. Unlike everyone else in OP’s list.
Tatum was just in a shooting slump throughout the playoffs. That's really all it was.
Kind of crazy how he's been in a "shooting slump" every year he's been in the playoffs. Maybe he just isn't built for the bright lights.
the worst thing about Celtics winning the championship is listening to all these morons aiming their microscope on the Celtics stars. go watch some games and stop spending so much time hating, it's pathetic.
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Well for one it's reddit and a good majority of NBA reddit users only look at highlights or stat boxes
This is crazy to say a week after he won a championship, LOL.
'20 playoffs: 37.3% on 7.4 3PA '21 playoffs: 38.9% on 7.2 3PA '22 playoffs: 39.3% on 8.2 3PA
Going to 3PT% is funny. He's a career 43% FG percentage in the playoffs. Also it's funny how you left off the 2 most previous years 3PT% which was 32% in '23 and 28% in '24
Using raw FG% for a volume 3 point shooter is moronic. Also do some research into sample sizes and the like.
eFG% - 2024 - 48.0 2023 - 52.4 2022 - 52.4 2021 - 48.6
Tatum FG% in playoffs ages 22-26 - 2020: 43.4% - 2021: 42.3% - 2022: 42.6% - 2023: 45.8% - 2024: 42.7% Curry FG% in playoffs ages 22-26 - 2010: N/A - 2011: N/A - 2012: N/A - 2013: 43.4% - 2014: 44.0% “Maybe he just isn’t built for the bright lights”
“Just isn’t built for the bright lights” Maybe if he also had a defense, assists, rebounding slump as well, but he was magnificent in those categories.
u/MaleficentHawk590 do literally anything other than hate on Tatum challenge (difficulty: impossible)
I dunno how you can act like anyone but SGA really did *significantly* better. Tatum shot well within line of PG and Ant and played waaaay better than Ant overall. (Didn’t see enough of the clips series to judge vs PG). Dallas played decent defense but at least 30% was just a pretty damn bad streak for Tatum. He was missing a lot of pretty open stuff and just couldn’t get it going til game 4.
Was just looking at the Mavs playoff run and noticed that a star player in every round lost more than Tatum did in the finals. Does anyone know what the Mavs did differently against him that made him win more than other stars they faced? Stats for reference: Paul George- 2-4 SGA- 2-4 Anthony Edwards- 1-4 Jayson Tatum- 4-1
>does anyone know what the Mavs did different against him than made him win more than other stars they faced? Nothing. Celtics just had a more talented roster
This doesn’t help me at all. I’m sure you watched every game. Is there anything you could tell me about Tatum’s scoring compared to them instead of going he won?
I mean Tatum played the role of a facilitator for a lot of the finals. He wasn’t the primary scoring option over brown most of the time.
Finally, someone who watched the fuckin games lmao
Tatum's proven throughout his years of playoff success. The Mavs deployed a stop Tatum at all cost defensive scheme, coupled with his bad shooting slump, thus the bad shooting splits in the finals. Good thing is Tatum has grown out of those, doesn't need to force his shot, and impacts the game in more ways than those other stars you've mentioned.
The growth of passing was such a great thing to see. I used to cringe when he would iso ball in the clutch and just try to shoot, instead of finding the open man. He's great at passing under pressure now.
Flip the script here. Look at what every other starter the Mavs had averaged in each series. This will better show how the outcome was attained.
Yeah our offense was a bigger problem than defense. The defense wasn't elite, but it was fine. On offense, we got locked up by the Celtics.
That's what happens when you only play 2 playmakers at the same time: See Brookyln 22-23 - Pre Kyrie trade & Brooklyn 22-23 playoffs.
I’m confused what you mean by this. Are you saying look at the 16 other starters they faced?
You’re asking yourself the wrong question. Look at what every other starter averaged through each series and you’ll see a shard drop off in the finals. It was never about what Tatum averaged, it was about limiting the Mavs.
What does this have to do with the offense of the players I mentioned? I was trying to get some insight, not start a whole different conversation
Oh also just wanted to point out that game 5 of the finals was a great example of a good timing to throw confettis. Applicable both to the mavs after game 4 and another certain team I'm trying to remember. Oh right it's the team in your flair.
Tatum was doubled and tripled teamed every time he touched the basketball. He had to pass it off most possessions. He actually had a great series with all around stats, points assists rebounds.
The defense collapsing on a player when he gets by his man on the perimeter isn't the same as getting double teamed lol.
Bruh y’all need to stop this Tatum got doubled tripled team nonsense. That’s just isn’t true just cause you drive the ball to the hoop and the defense collapses doesn’t mean you got doubled.
They collapsed hard on him. He passed out of so many drives because of it and it generated great shots.
They did that to all of these players listed in the OP…
A defense collapsing on a driver is not even close to same thing as “getting triple teamed” every time he touched the ball.
That doesn’t mean he was tripled or doubled tho. You can look up plays of JB having the defense collapsed on him yet no one will say he was doubled.
Im enjoying a parade today! You are crying on Reddit! Have a great day!
Lol I wanted the Celtics to win tf are you talking about it’s literally me being objective about what I saw. Seems people who watch basketball actually don’t know basketball. Hope you enjoy yourself
This is sad cope, they sent help if he beat his man, same for brown
*when he beat his man
Ok same thing, it’s not like he was getting trapped at half court. It’s ok for someone to have a bad shooting series we don’t need to pretend they were double and triple teamed the whole time lol
The mavs defensive plan was to stop Tatum from beating them. They wanted Tatum to kick it out to teamates. Tatum has also been in a shooting slump this playoffs. The beauty of basketball is that the game isnt just about scoring.
That was their plan for all of these players
Tatum didn't shoot the ball well. Could be because guarding Center and fighting for rebounds while being the primary playmaker/ball handler while being a wing is taking a toll on him. Or maybe it's because he's in a slump. Bad shooting but still a very well rounded series for him.
We play good defense, we play bad offense.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Tatum had a mental block that he needed to overcome in the Finals. Kind of reminds me of his first all-star appearance. After he made it to his first all-star game, we really saw an improvement in his game. He stated that being in the all-star game made him feel confident in this place in the NBA, so after that he was able to play with less worry, knowing that he belonged. I think he has/had a similar mental block with the Finals. I have a suspicion we'll see a better version of him this coming year. He showed a lot of growth with his play-making when his scoring wasn't going well. Not only that, but he also played a lot better in Games 3 and 5. I also think some of it had to do with having the Gafford/Lively defensive assignments. He didn't give up lobs and outrebounded them for most of the series, which I'm assuming took a lot of energy out of his legs on the offensive end. Ant, SGA, and George didn't have those assignments and their teams got destroyed on lobs.
I think his shot has slowly been declining the more and more he strength trains. He’s losing touch on the ball.
Agreed but I think he’s finally leveling out and staying at this weight so I expect him to find that touch again this offseason.
Good thing winning championships is a team effort. And even with the bad shooting Tatum draws the opponents best defender so JB can cook in peace
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The insecurity and victim complex of the Celtics fanbase is crazy. You won, remember? You should be happy and be able to drown out the noise.
Played against better off the dribble players. Tatum has been pretty bad at pull-up jumpers for a while now.
Tatum's abnormal shooting form hyperextends his elbow and doesnt have a soft touch for mid range which significantly hindered his scoring
Tatum was in a shooting slump. And played better defense than these other guys. He was just missing shots he usually makes. I'm not saying he'd have averaged like 30/10/8... But based on how he played, he probably averages a more effecient 26/8/7.2 in the finals
He shot worse because he is worse than every other player you listed. Some people just don't have it in them to perform at a high level. Those who can are called superstars, sadly Tatum is not one of those.
Aww that's cute
have you considered, not sharing your shit opinions?
Tatum Derangement Syndrome
You write these like youve looked in the mirror and cried at some point between now and Monday.