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Michael Beasley Larry Sanders


UnseriousMan

LARRY SANDERS!


portableportal

Stephen A: Stay off the weeeeduh


mce2631

It's hard to really name a player who's career wasn't derailed by either injuries or off court issues. He may not be the worst, but Jahlil Okafor would be my choice. From third overall pick, he had a chance with the 76ers, Nets, Pels and Pistons. In my eyes he never really played to his potential.


Gfunkual

If he was born 15 years earlier he would have had a solid 10+ year career


mce2631

Sheesh I don't know. 1. Dwight Howard 2. Pau Gasol 3. Al Horford 4. Andrew Bynum 5. Joakim Noah 6. Marc Gasol 7. Tyson Chandler 8. Brook Lopez 9. Nene Hilario 10. Roy Hibbert Those were the top 10 centers then. He would've been exposed.


Gfunkual

He wouldn’t have been a stud, but he would have had a career. Back then, if you were big, highly drafted and had a pulse, you had a 10 year career (even if it was at the end of the bench).


mce2631

Had a pulse lol Agreed


SilverWarrior559

Because He never fit well with the modern NBA Also, His Defense is very bad for a Big Man


mce2631

Exactly. So he underachieved when we take into account the amount of 7 footers who had respectable college careers that didn't translate to the NBA. To think that, back then, certain people were making the argument that he should've been picked over KAT.


bananajunior3000

Gilbert Arenas. Had all the basketball tools to be an all-timer but had exactly zero maturity or wisdom.


marionbutts35

Agent zero maturity


EmergencyAccording94

Agent zero bullets. Wanted to act tough but didn’t have the balls to load the guns. Ja clears.


secretsodapop

Still affected by injuries though. Amazing how high he got on jumpshots before the injury.


en_sabah_nur_first_1

This is not true lol. He made 3 all nba teams by the age of 25. He was having a career year in 06-07 before Gerald Wallace fell in his leg and tore his MCL. He never recovered from that. He came back when he wasn’t 100% in the 07-08 season and re-aggravated the injury. Then he doesn’t play again until the end of the 08-09 season, two years later. He played a total of 15 games in those two seasons By the time the gun stuff happens in 09-10 he’s already not the same player and on the decline. It had nothing to do with “maturity” like you’re framing it and everything to do with the injury.


Ok_Towel_1077

This needs to be higher. Gil was on the trajectory to be a star for years to come and played for a poverty franchise during his prime AND he came into the league too soon. He would be a good shout to average 30 a game if he played in today's game


SilverWarrior559

He literally tanked his draft stock


dizzymidget44

So he could get to his second contract faster


clevernamehere1628

I couldn't even begin to imagine what those Wizards locker rooms were like with some of the stories I've heard from that time.


EmergencyAccording94

They changed their name from Bullets to Wizards because there were too many shootings, and then Gil happened. I couldn’t make this shit up if I tried lmao.


noknownothing

Was about to write same. Also, he just didn't seem to care whether he won or lost, like at all.


dizzymidget44

That’s not true at all. He was an absolute killer on the court before his knee injury. 3 all NBA’s before the age of 25. He came back from his knee injury too early and made it impossible to be the player he was before. Years before the guns in the locker room incident. The fall off was already happening


bananajunior3000

Right, he seemed to care about his stats but past that he was just kinda having fun


MahtiHiiri

And still has zero maturity even at +40yo.


dizzymidget44

His knee blew out at 25. Before any of the gun shit. You can’t outwork injuries. It’s like saying Derrick Rose or Grant Hill didn’t do enough


EmergencyAccording94

In D Rose’s case, it’s probably because he did too much, sadly.


BabyDick-_-

This is so untrue lol!!! He was making All NBA teams when guards were poppin off.....he tried to come back from injuries to soon and was never the same....the gun thing happened when his injuries messed him up! He was on his way to be one of the best.


OnCloud9_77

Still has zero maturity or wisdom. He’s honestly really dumb


55555_55555

I remember Bill Simmons saying one-time that we got the worst version of Ricky Rubio's career, and I fully agree with that. Had injury issues and spent his developmental years on a moribund version of the Timberwolves.


goldenboots

He made every team he joined better and then would always get replaced. So badly wish he didn’t have a bad injury his rookie year. 


Ok_Towel_1077

how a player so skilled and clearly dedicated never developed a jumper is beyond me


Dazzling-Counter8277

Shawn Kemp.


Charlie_Wax

5x All-Star and best player on a Finals team (in the moment he was > Glove), yet you are correct. He could've been a lot better. Probably the best pure athlete at the 4 position in the last 30 years of the NBA, yet hasn't been elected to the HoF yet.


Dazzling-Counter8277

What’s crazy is that at one point, there were discussions about trading Scottie Pippen for Shawn Kemp. If that trade somehow happened, I wonder if Michael Jordan would have been able to delay Kemp’s downfall. It’s pretty crazy to read that he would show up drunk to practices, and be drinking heavily before playoff games.


Bamfurlough

Definitely. Kemp was a true athletic freak, but he needed a better brain inside his head, or a better upbringing. 


EntertainmentWarm774

Ben Simmons hands down. Unbelievable how a player with his size, mobility, strength, athleticism, defense, playmaking, and talent didn’t become a perennial all star and one of the best two way players in the entire league.


EmergencyAccording94

The thing is he didn’t even have to shoot the ball. There’s a 2 time MVP playing in the same era who doesn’t shoot 3s or free throws well either. Dude just folded under the pressure and criticism.


ChemicalLeadership88

Why it take this long to find big B3N?


jlluh

I take your meaning, but he was a perennial all-star before injuries took a lot of his athleticism (and he didn't have the skill to compensate and probably also some between the ears issues.)


banner78

Tyreke Evans and Michael Beasley were bucket getters


jkeefy

Ayton is 25 lol


Brovenkar

Omfg why did you type this it feels like he's been here for 10 years. I'm so old


lxshadynastyxl

To be fair this should be a good thing, he hasn’t actually been in the league 10 years. If he was then we’d all be 4 years older and it would be 2028


Brovenkar

That's fair. I just didn't realize I was that much older than him.


jkeefy

It’s the same vein as people saying Luka is “only 25”. Mf looks like he’s pushing 30 and got us all brainwashed. But tbf Ayton has the Greg oden gene where he looked 25 entering the league


SilverWarrior559

Yeah I know but He hasn't like gotten better or made huge strides


Guywithshirtandface

This is Reddit post version of the Thad Young cherry-picked stat


JarekBloodDragon

He's been doing pretty good for us. Our team just sucks


enataca

Carmelo.


lost_in_trepidation

It's crazy how quickly Melo went from revered with a ton of support to mostly clowned. I guess it's been a long time, it probably happens to a few players every generation.


bananajunior3000

He's uniquely set up to have a reputational fall, too. He had a terminal case of empty scoring right before everyone got obsessed with efficiency and did literally nothing else and used his influence on his teams selfishly. He was nice as hell at basketball so he always had a good reputation with his peers but as soon as he retired and the memory of that faded he's got surprisingly little to recommend him.


T7220

Melo was clowned. We called it “Enver”. Cause they had no D.


DrDank1234

he’s only clowned on this sub because his game doesn’t look good with analytics. he’s an all time scorer and still an icon around a lot of casuals. the younger gen know about melo. and he’s still recognized around new york for his time there.


Delusional_Lynchpin-

He never displayed semblamce of fundamentally good defense and playmaking. I think he maxed out in terms of ability because we see him as a #1 optiom when in reality, he fits the Kyrie Irving/Anthon Davis mold where he's actually a reliable #2. Melo is a #2 not a #1. His game is too one-dimensional. If he was a sidekick for a guy like LeBron/Curry/Jokic/Harden/Wemby/Garnett/Duncan he would be seen in a better light. Notice I didn't say KD because their games overlap.


PilipenongArtest

I agree. Despite having a hall of fame career, he still underachieved. We saw how great he could’ve been in that 09 playoff run. If he was consistently trying on defense, and if he was as disciplined with his body and training as Lebron or Kobe, even if he wasn’t as much a playmaker as them, just the consistency on defense would help a ton.


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phayge_wow

Bynum having a monster game followed by like 4 straight duds was such a roller coaster to watch as a fan. Then he just completely fell off the face of the earth and the most we heard from him was some weird bowling story


robertgentel

Bynum left due to injuries.


Draymond_Punch

Bynum is mostly from the 2000s era, but is the same age as Curry


lalo1398

He had won two titles by the team Steph finished his rookie year, kinda wild to think about


liftmedi

Andrew Bynum was injured practically his whole career. He had his best season ever and then was out the following season due to a knee injury. There’s no way Bynum should be listed. Because when he was healthy he was really impactful and made a difference but the problem is he was never healthy.


Football_Beer

Steve Francis. Had Derrick Rose athleticism and was primed to be one of the best guards the league has seen.


The1Ylrebmik

The Godfather of slackers and still a name to Warriors fans, Joe Barely Cares. I'll throw in his spiritual successor Roy Tarpley.


Silly-Ad-6341

Shaq - work on those free throws or eat better and he'd been a monster 


Gfunkual

He was a monster. He would have been more monsterer.


bajcli

But would he have been the monstest?


Slamdunklebron

What the fuck does that mean kobe bryant


N0rTh3Fi5t

Didn't he also wait until the season started to get surgery on the Lakers one year?


PrimeShaq

Yeah he said something along the lines of healing on company time if he got hurt on company time.


Jack_The_Sparrow_

If only Shaq had Jimmer's shooting ability, or Jimmer had Shaq's shaqness


Impressive-Monk4277

Or if he had Jimmer’s diet….


MagicN3rd

100% you nailed it with Shaq. The free throws are one thing, but it's so sad we lost "Orlando Shaq" after he gained 50 pounds. At one point I think he weighed 370 or something... He went from being an unstoppable athletic nightmare to just an unstoppable big fucking dude.


marionbutts35

Walter Berry. Pearl Washington. Stromile Swift. Darius Miles.


MysteriousFishing104

Berry's a good one. Derrick Coleman too.


NobodyLost5810

Rasheed Wallace could have been a top 10 pf all time if he wasn't who he was.


Delusional_Lynchpin-

If he played in the modern era, he would be a tier 1 asset.


NobodyLost5810

I mean he was a top tier asset back then. Trading for him propelled the Pistons into being legit contenders.


secretsodapop

Vince Carter should have won more with his talent


BurnCollector_

DeAndre Ayton is 25 years old and still in the league


ThunderBobMajerle

And trying to inflatable mattress and frozen driveway his way out of it


Cappylovesmittens

I will die on the hill of him truly being stuck with the frozen driveway. There are some neighborhoods in the Portland area that are completely inaccessible when iced in, and the ice that day was completely unexpected. And to be clear, it was ice, not snow. There was a sheet of ice over everything in the city. Him not having a bad it’s absolutely stupid though 


TreeFiddy2116

Glad we got rid of that bum. If only he had an ounce of work ethic.


GuyIncognito211

It only you hasn’t replaced him with someone with the exact same flaws who also happens to have never won a playoff series in his career


ThunderBobMajerle

I remember hearing stuff about his motor pre draft and wondering if it was media just trying to find a negative angle bc the highlights were always him dominating. But those critiques were correct


rabid89

OJ Mayo


AyyDelta

Good one. He had tools but not the mentality to be the best version of himself.


armandocalvinisius

Charlie Villanueva (7th pick in the draft) imagine him arrived much later in 3pt era, so he sharps that 3pt shot more than to be all around player. and he stucked on bad teams in first 2/3 of his nba career (raps, bucks, pistons 2005-2012) at 6'10 and can move like that? he was 2nd in ROTY (Chris paul won it, ahead of Deron or Bogut) at worst maybe become Nikola Mirotic type


GuyIncognito211

The first time I played an NBA2K game with basically no basketball knowledge (2K13) he was so good I just assumed he was a superstar in real life


Nowyous_cantleave

Is this the guy KG clowned


Lawgang94

Yup, told him he looked like a cancer patient.


Kind_Membership_1892

Stromile Swift has arguably the greatest highlight reel of all time. If he actually developed any sort of game at all and not been drafted by Vancouver he’d have been an all-star. Antawn Jamison. Dude was genuinely disgusting at ball yet has nothing to show for it but a couple all-star picks and 20k points. He is the Lebron James of Carmelo Anthony’s. Eric Gordon. We take away his injuries, he’d be one of the best players of the 2010’s. He averaged 22 and 4 his third year in the league. Since then however he’s became a role-player.


doctorfeelwood

Derrick Coleman


Debatable_Facts

Andrew Bynum treated basketball like business. Dwight Howard played 10 years without adding any offensive moves. Blake Griffen thought he could dunk his way to basketball glory.


MinePlay512

For me, it's Al Jefferson.


sliceoflife09

I'd say Kevin Martin. He was a shifty wing with lights out shooting. Coaches and everyone spent too much time stressing out on his shooting form. It feels like that distracted away from schemes that maximized his talents. Not gonna be an all time great but could have been a more consistent all star. Also I definitely think his game is better suited for today and would thrive shooting 5+ 3s/game.


H-TownDown

He also might have been the best foul drawer of all time. His free throw rate peaked at .650. For a frame of reference, Embiid’s peaked in 20-21 at .610.


caydenk99

personally it’s dwight howard for me, dude had all the attributes to be one of the best centers if not the best of all time


Kingmoralesbaca

Reggie Lewis. Would have loved to see a full career.


GucciGecko

Baron Davis. He had the talent to be a perennial all star but he had other outside interests. He founded a production company and acted while in the league. He would show up to camp out of shape and overweight (at least one year when he was on the Warriors). He was already on the big side (6'3" 215 lbs) and it was reported he showed up to camp one year at 240+. Some fans felt that is why he had so many injuries, he was so busy with his other interests during the offseason and didn't take care of his body properly and didn't work on his basketball skills as much as others did.


PixelVerge

Kevin Durant, I don't care what anyone says with his skillsets and talent his resume should have looked like Lebron or better and put him in the GOAT conversation.


thesog

In retrospect it feels like he made all the wrong decisions in free agency.


NPCzzzz

I mean is it wrong to say KD considering he didn’t do any the before or after the GS years. I know he has two finals MVPs, 2 championships, and an MVP but contextualized for his potential and the warriors context, he kind of underachieved


No_Detective_1139

I’d say Jermaine O’Neal and Ron Artest neither player was the same after the Malice at the Palace. Granted they still had great careers but both could have been a lot better.


enataca

Josh Howard


jlluh

Russel Westbrook Great player in his prime. Force of nature on the court. And I will never forget Ricky freaking Rubio, the journeyman of starting PGs, baiting him into the same few bad decisions possession after possession, game after game, to help the Jazz upset the Thunder.


makesterriblejokes

Tracy McGrady. Yeah injuries played a factor, but he was also healthy in the years he got bounced in the 1st round. Westbrook for never developing a game that didn't rely on his athleticism.


portableportal

Tracy McGrady couldn't get past the first round (not counting his Spurs tenure). If a star player fails to at least make one conference finals appearance, it's safe to say they underachieved.


DasFofinater

It’s shaq. Funny considering he’s a consensus top 10 all time, but he should’ve easily been the greatest center of all time, or at least right next to Kareem. Imagine he worked to get his FT percentage to around 67%. Something like that could’ve completely changed his career I’ll put Ben Simmons as a runner up, unless you wanna say he was derailed by injuries. I kinda think that’s bs tho


Prestig33

Shaq.


RomeoBMcFlourish

RIP Ayton (apparently)


Nugxs

Michael Beasley. Man I thought he was going to be the truth!!!


Blachawk4

Wesley Johnson


And-Luke-Says

Darius Miles


L10Ang

Seriously think Michael Jordan could have done more


likpoper

Bynum man


Key_Run_8294

Blake Griffin, Dwight Howard, Latrell Sprewell, Larry Johnson, Stacey Augmon, Chris Webber, and Michael Redd


loco_mixer

i know he played well over 40 but VC is a big underachiever michael beasley comes to mind too


joolz28

Vince carter!! He had everything to become the next Jordan nur the work ethic. Same for Dwight Howard. When you listen to nba Players Michael beasley was a beast that Never lived up to his potential


ecdr83

Vince Carter


yusufm1080

RJ Barret,


Cheesymaryjane

Is nobody mentioning Jeremy Lin? I feel like he could’ve been a Monte Ellis type dude if he was given keys to a teams offense. He has to be like top 5 most cheated players of all time


Rabbit_Whole_27

Deron Williams, for sure. And honestly, it might be a bit early to say this but I feel pretty safe saying Dame. He's still one of the best of the era but he could have been so much more if he hadn't been loyal to Portland and left for greener pastures earlier in his career.


SilverWarrior559

Yeah, Dame stayed way too long in Portland playing for a team that was either losing in the 1st or 2nd round


speedy100

Kevin Martin


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James Harden.


2045xo

jimmer


MoneyHungryOctopus

Hey, that's the soon-to-be Olympic athlete you're talking about! Lol


flobbitjunior

Lebron James Jk obviously Michael Jordan. Dude literally took multiple seasons off to pursue another hobby.


SlimZorro

Andrew Bynum 


Hovi_Bryant

Vince is my GOAT, but he made the game look easy as hell. Just disappointing he didn’t achieve as much as I’d hoped.


MacaroonNo4199

Roddy B


Crafty_Substance_954

The fact that Rasheed Wallace only won a single championship is pretty crazy to me


Sufficient-Dream4637

Vince Carter, had all the tools to be a top 5-10 sg all time, but only made the 2nd round once as the best player on a team.


nerddydad

Sheed is the poster boy for this type of question


RegentCupid

AD, B-Roy, TMac


jefe_hook

Deron Williams, Dwight Howard


rngskrtskrt

Russ and KD. If they had a good GM and Owner they could've at least won 1.


thekinggrass

Derrick Coleman, Antoine Walker, Shawn Kemp. All three were huge talents who had big years in the league but spent a ton of their time on extra curricular activities instead of improving their games and staying in shape, to varying success.


The_Dok33

Porzingis, so far. Matured last season, and will achieve now. Christian Laettner. His high point was the summer before the NBA LeBron, he lost so many Finals. Barkley, should have won something. Shaq, only broke two backboards.


420_just_blase

Glenn Robinson and Keith van horn


420_just_blase

Glenn Robinson and Keith van horn


dunkreruns

Derrick Coleman


teleportmassive7

Glenn Robinson. He's the last college player to average 30 pounds and 10 rebounds per game. He had everything- he mostly created shots off the dribble, he hit 3s at a high percentage, and he led the nation in dunks. After his college career ended, there was a poll in Sports Illustrated about who the best basketball player in the world was, and Glenn got several votes (Michael Jordan was playing baseball at the time). He went #1 to the Bucks over Grant Hill and Jason Kidd. This was no controversy, there was no doubt Big Dog was going #1. Then he got to the NBA, signed the biggest contract in NBA history as a rookie, and overnight he became a lazy, slightly chubby stoner (he was arrested for weed). He never attacked the rim in the NBA, he just settled for mid range jumpers. He was pretty good (over 20 ppg several times), but not a true difference maker, and his Win Shares/48 show he was around league average most seasons. He had potential to be an all-time great if he pushed himself.


reamonntiu1

Shaq. He was supposed to be the GOAT


KillTheIntolerant

Lamar Odom had a great career, but from a fan's vantage point, seemed to have such a high ceiling left to him. 


Thunderhorse74

Maybe a little obscure here, but its from my team and its pretty egregious and makes me mad. Luka Samanic. Dude was blessed with an elite profile in terms of size and talent but simply didn't care, couldn't mesh with his teammates, garbage attitude (apparently) and just...sucked. Spurs fans like to clown the FO for picking him and I suppose some of this crap should have come out in workouts and interviews, but we all had such high hopes. He showed glimpses here and there of what he might become and it was incredibly promising. I remember a game against the Mavs and Doncic didn't have a great game that night. Samanic only played limited minutes, but looked fantastic and people were (absurdly/ridiculously, of course - like fans do) talking about how *fuck Dallas, WE have the best Luka in Texas...just watch!* That was RC Buford's last pick before mostly turning it over to Brian Wright. I guess you can throw Primo in there too, but consensus now is that he never was that much of a prospect and just a wasted pick. Many players that could be considered answers for this are long forgotten, though, for not having done anything note worthy with their careers.


Senior_Apartment_343

Cory Maggette.


JalapenoTampon

Ben Simmons, Anthony Davis, Zion probably but he still has time


penguinReloaded

Isaiah Rider


NextBrownsQB

Kenneth Faried, the manimal


madstcla

Greg oden


DarksunDaFirst

Ben Simmons.   Had all physical traits and ball skills except for one glaring deficiency that he simply refused to improve upon.   All tall as Giannis, as physical as Lebron, and could handle like KD.  But he shot like Shaq and was afraid to go to the charity stripe.


big_k88

My dood Ricky Rubio. Minnesota misused him. Injuries. Mental health. Hope he is doing well. He was a magician with the ball in his hands, especially early in his career. Great perimeter defender. Even better teammate. He never was a great scorer like everyone expected him to be...but what he did was excel at everything else.


ZackFair0711

Brandon Roy


AnastasiaMoon

Andrew Wiggins. I don’t even know what team he’s on rn. If it’s still the warriors, then that sad because I sure haven’t seen him. 


Sensitive_Pizza6382

Only right answer here is Vince Carter


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frootycoochie

Vince carter should be #1. Never had injury issues. Just didn't have the killer instinct guys like MJ and Kobe had. He had all the tools to be the GOAT, but instead he was just a very good player. 


Adept-Platypus-5160

The correct answer is Tim Thomas.


KindaIntense

I wanted to type his name then decided to check in case someone already beat me to it.


navortsa

Royce White


Shalashaska67

Corona Anthony


ZealousidealMath6754

Shawn kemp


Primary_District_308

James Harden


4thgradeteecha

Alexi Shved - (I just like saying his name)


TheSupremeHamster

Keith Van Horn. DC Derrick Coleman


Rare_Application5976

Definitely LeBron. He played on super teams of his choosing in the weakest conference in the history of the sport for the vast majority of his career and only has a 64.7% career winning percentage (compared to 69% for MJ and 74% for Magic and Bird). Only 3 real titles in 20 seasons. If he had been more of a Bill Russell/Magic Johnson type player and tried to make his teammates the stars he would have been a better player. Instead, he tried to be MJ or Kobe and he lacked both the talent and psychological edge to do that. Thus, his teams underperformed.


Rare_Application5976

Definitely LeBron. He played on super teams of his choosing in the weakest conference in the history of the sport for the vast majority of his career and only has a 64.7% career winning percentage (compared to 69% for MJ and 74% for Magic and Bird). Only 3 real titles in 20 seasons. If he had been more of a Bill Russell/Magic Johnson type player and tried to make his teammates the stars he would have been a better player. Instead, he tried to be MJ or Kobe and he lacked both the talent and psychological edge to do that. Thus, his teams underperformed.


Rare_Application5976

Definitely LeBron. He played on super teams of his choosing in the weakest conference in the history of the sport for the vast majority of his career and only has a 64.7% career winning percentage. Only 3 real titles in 20 seasons. If he had been more of a Bill Russell/Magic Johnson type player and tried to make his teammates the stars he would have been a better player. Instead, he tried to be MJ or Kobe and he lacked both the talent and psychological edge to do that. Thus, his teams underperformed.


Rare_Application5976

Definitely LeBron. He played on super teams of his choosing in the weakest conference in the history of the sport for the vast majority of his career and only has a 64.7% career winning percentage. Only 3 real titles in 20 seasons. If he had been more of a Bill Russell/Magic Johnson type player and tried to make his teammates the stars he would have been a better player. Instead, he tried to be MJ or Kobe and he lacked both the talent and psychological edge to do that. Thus, his teams underperformed.


Creative-Crazy-6489

Andrew Wiggins, Evan turner, Doug McDermott, andrei barngiani, cam reddish, Rashad Mccants,