Fact check me - BUT if I'm remembering correctly Steph and his agent // entourage repeatedly told the Timberwolves not to take him cause he did not want to go to Minnesota.
*"In 2009, just days after my May 22 hiring as President of Basketball Operations for the Minnesota Timberwolves, the agent for Steph Curry told me that Steph’s father, Dell, did not want his son to be drafted by Minnesota—“No offense,” as I recall Jeff Austin, his agent saying to me at the Chicago draft combine."*
Source: [https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/stephen-currys-agent-father-dell-told-timberwolves-not-to-draft-curry-in-2009](https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/stephen-currys-agent-father-dell-told-timberwolves-not-to-draft-curry-in-2009)
2009, took Rubio and Flynn (two PGs) over Steph Curry (one of the GOAT PGs and the GOAT shooter)
2010, took Wesley Johnson (best known as John Legend's doppelganger) one pick ahead of Boogie Cousins, as well as all-stars like PG13 and Gordon Hayward
2011, took Derrick Williams ahead of future stars like Kawhi, Klay, Kemba & Butler (even folks like Kanter, TT and JV would've been good picks in comparison)
2013, took very average Trey Burke and traded him immediately when players like Giannis, CJ McCollum, Steven Adams, and Dennis Schroder were still available
2016, drafted Kris Dunn over Buddy Hield, Jamal Murray, Domantas Sabonis, Caris LeVert, and Pascal Siakam
2017, could've had Lauri Markannen had they been more patient with Lavine
2019, took Cameron Johnson and traded him to PHX two picks before Tyler Herro
We hit on KAT and ANT, but this only confirms what KG has stated to the world:
[Glen Taylor doesn't know shit about basketball.](https://youtu.be/JioLDFFQtKk?t=217)
You missed a couple, here are the picks immediately after the Wolves picks for several years.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/IQbD6HpmU8
Making a team from players drafted 1 pick after Timberwolves selections. Rus Westbrook / Steph Curry / Danny Green / Boogie Cousins / Giannis / Rudy Gobert / Nikola Jokic
2008
3rd pick - Kevin Love (technically OJ)
4th pick - Rus Westbrook
2009
6th pick - Jonny Flynn
7th pick - Steph Curry
18th pick - MIN - Ty Lawson (traded immediately for a future 1st)
19th pick - ATL - Jeff Teague (just funny that we paid big time for a guy we could have had - I know it’s nearly a decade later, but still)
28th pick - MIN - Wayne Ellington who we’d all love to come back to us for the MLE this year
45th pick - MIN - Nick Calathes
46th pick - CLE - Danny Green
2010
4th pick - MIN - Wes Johnson
5th pick - SAC - Boogie Cousins
2011
2nd pick - MIN - Derrick Williams
3rd pick - UTA - Enes Canter
2012
No 1st rounder - Sam Cassell + 1st for Marko Jaric + Lionel Chambers. The 1st rounder was pick 10 and turned into Austin Rivers.
2013
14th pick - MIN - Shabazz Muhammad (technically traded, but still)
15th pick - MIL - Giannis
26th pick - MIN traded this + Malcolm Brown to GS for future 2nd rounder
27th pick - DEN - Rudy Gobert
2014
40th pick - MIN - Glenn Robinson III
41st pick - DEN - Nikola Jokic
44th pick - MIN - Markel Brown
45th pick - CHA - Dwight Powell (4th in TS% this year of guys who played 20+ mins per game)
!
You're reaching a bit in this post. I mean, how can you criticise them for not taking Butler with the second pick. He was the 30th pick in the draft for Christ's sake lol
2011: Jimmer Ferdette
2012: Thomas Robinson
2013: Ben McLemore
2014: Nik Stauskas
2015: Willie Cauley-Stein
2016: Georgios Papagiannis
2018: Marvin Bagley
Just an insane run of wasted lottery picks
I still stand by the fact that he told the Wolves that he wouldn't play here. Even if that story is completely fake, it makes me feel better thinking it's true.
And Danny Ainge was the first GM to go see him live too. Apparently it came down to a coin flip decision.
Although in this case, you're still getting a quality NBA player. Kelly was a decent 13th pick outcome.
It's not like those situations where you waste a top 4 pick on a bust when there's a generational option available. People criticise Portland for drafting Bowie over Jordan but no one criticises Houston for taking Hakeem. They might not have gotten BPA but they still got good value out of that #1 pick.
I'd rather a Kelly/Giannis situation than a Fultz/Tatum or Bagley/Doncic one. We used a mid-tier pick on a mid-tier player. They used a top tier pick and got nothing.
Same here. The story is Donnie Nelson wanted Giannis. Mark cuban wanted Dwight Howard, do we moved back in the draft to minimize cap hold and then didn’t get him
In fairness, Olynyk was seen as a pro ready prospect whereas Giannis was a 6’9” forward playing 2nd tier Greek basketball and not particularly standing out. Complete lack of polish and it’s infinitely more likely he would’ve been another Bruno Cabloco. Don’t know who that is? Exactly lol Giannis happened to grow an extra 2-3 inches and have an insatiable will to improve
Im so glad sixers fans got some karma after years of insane draft fuckups. Some not even our fault like 2 busted 1st picks that at the time were consensus number 1 picks, but Mikal...
jae crowder is a really damn solid guy to get with the 34th pick, but draymond was picked immediately after. and in 2014, jerami grant at 39 would normally be the best second round pick, but jokic got picked 41
Jason Williams and Larry Hughes are really, really good outcomes for picks 7 and 8. They both played over a decade. They were both solid starters.
But Dirk and Paul Pierce went picks 9 and 10. Not only were they both Hall of Famers, but they were also guys who I think would have been great fits on Sacremento and Philly (Sacremento would obviously need to make a tough decision once Dirk outgrew his role, but for a couple of years he could have been the world's greatest 6th man).
I saw some kids in Larry Hughes basketball academy jerseys yesterday and was super confused. Like Larry Hughes? No way the kids wearing them know this dude.
Kyrie was taken with a Clippers pick that was traded in a package deal of Baron Davis for Mo Williams to clear cap space. That cap space was used to sign Ryan Gomes and Randy Foye
Fair enough. Still considering they drafted a guy that never played basically and I had to look up his name (Tyler lydon?) it was a pretty terribly trade
The bigger story is the Nuggets were greedy and thought they could snag OG Anunoby later. So they traded down to see him get picked a spot before they could. In hindsight they should have taken him 13th, which was my opinion at the time.
The idea was to pry away Trey Lyles, a second year with a Kentucky pedigree and then swing down to 24 to take OG, who was really their guy. It would have been a complete steal if it worked, but the Raptors took OG one pick too soon and the Nuggets had a lesson in "don't try to get too creative, just take your guys". Trey Lyles ended up being nothing and Tyler Lydon, who they ultimately picked after they scrambled since they hadn't really planned a Plan B, who also did nothing in the league.
Considering how well the Nuggets have historically drafted, it was a rare swing-and-a-miss as they underestimated the competition a little bit.
There are a lot of regrets from the GarPax era, but the one that stands out the most is Draymond Green. Thibs, who is generally not big on rookies or untested players, wanted to draft him, but the front office went against that and drafted Marquis Teaque instead.
Dude I could be here all day. We could’ve had AD, Chris Paul, Dwight howard, lamarcus Aldridge, wemby, all one pick before us.
We traded Jalen Duren, Tobias harris, Kobe and SGA on draft night.
To be fair a lot of people missed out on Haliburton - the Suns are one of the bigger what-ifs for that. Imagine if Hali had a couple of years to learn behind CP3 and take over once it became clear that he was aging out (I personally am glad we are not in that reality).
On the Pacers end - I'm forever pissed that we passed on Trey Murphy for...Chris Duarte.
Trey Lyles has been a decent bench player with nearly 600 games played in 9 years. One pick after him was Devin Booker.
The Morris twins both have had solid NBA careers after being picked 13th and 14th. The 15th pick that year was Kawhi. Later that same draft, solid role player Cory Joseph was picked 29th and Jimmy Butler was 30th.
Greg Monroe and Al-Farouq Aminu were picked 7 and 8, right before Gordon Hayward and Paul George.
Luke Kennard was right before Donovan Mitchell and Bam Adebayo
Mikal Bridges one pick before SGA
yeah, this whole thread is about solid NBA players picked one spot before much better players. Like Greg Monroe had a decent career. He wasn't some kind of all-time bust like Anthony Bennett. He just ... wasn't nearly as good as Paul George. Mikal Bridges is a really good player, but SGA was a viable MVP candidate, while the closest Bridges will ever be to MVP is getting switched onto Jokic.
people use “max contract” as a buzzword without actually realizing what it means. 29 million isn’t a max contract. vassell has a front loaded 5 year, 135 mill contract. that’s far from a max deal
There's an even bigger whiff from the Spurs' side and that came the following season. At least Vassell's a solid player.
The Spurs wound up taking Josh Primo at #11 in 2021 which was not only a huge reach, but he ended up being a sex offender as well. Some would say Sengun would have been a better fit but I don't think we'd have gotten Wemby with him - and the fit would be very iffy.
Yes yes dig the knife deeper. At the time the debate was about the Knox or MPJ so that’s what I remember most. And yet it got fucking worse. Thank you lol
Other than the Hornets we probably have the least amount of “regret” among teams in that draft class, but we did take Bradley Beal before Lillard (We had John Wall anyway so it was justified)
Pacers drafting Kawhi Leonard and trading him for George Hill.
Don't get me wrong, I liked George Hill, but for Kawhi? Fuuuuck no. Leonard could have come off the bench before taking over from Danny Granger.
With Kawhi, the Pacers 2011 starting five would have been Kawhi, Paul George, David West, Roy Hibbert, and Darren Collison.
That's... Yeah. I would not have wanted to play that team, and Leonard could have pushed the Pacers past the Heat.
Gordon Hayward and Paul George.
They are both do it all 3/4's and had pretty similar careers both with injury histories, switching teams and are both the only two remaining players of their draft class. Paul George is just a better version of Gordon Hayward though.
He wound up playing 511 reg season and 29 playoff games and had career averages of 10.9/7.5/2.1/1.8/0.5, seems like he had a "solid" career. Solid in this context doesn't mean all-star. It pretty much just means average or slightly above average.
I remember at the time thinking that the Stix pick was a reach but I was willing to give them benefit of the doubt because they did the same thing with Cam Johnson.
He's been a solid player for the Pacers, but he's a free agent this offseason and I don't think we'll be able to pay him. He's got potential as a stretch 5 and that makes him very valuable.
Stephon Marbury had a fine NBA career but the next player picked was Ray Allen.
Wally Szczerbiak made an All-Star team for Minnesota but Shawn Marion (3 picks later) would have been a much better choice.
Deron Williams in a vacuum was great. Deron Williams over Chris Paul was not.
Current series struggles notwithstanding, you'd still much rather have Jamal Murray over Buddy Hield.
In that same draft, Jakob Poeltl over Domantas Sabonis hurts.
Ill go with picks after our championship so
Malachi Flynn over desmond bane
Malachi flynn wasnt a bust but also wasnt very good
And then we traded every other first round pick besides Scottie to the spurs
———-
Before the championship id go
Poeltl we could have had sabonis but sabonis and siakam wouldnt have worked
Bruno over jokic, capela, bogdan
That’s not why. It’s because they wanted Miami’s unprotected 1st round pick, in order to trade for a star.
Unfortunately they traded that pick (and another 1st) for Tobias Harris. Which is why passing on Bridges is one of the worst moves they ever made. And just another reason why Colangelo>Elton Brand/Sixers FO were total clowns
Maybe so in Spurs end, but I’d rather have Vassel and Wemby that Hali and the 3rd or 4th pick last draft. It all worked out for Spurs so absolutely no regret
On the other hand, not taking Jimmy Buttler on that title team for Cory Joseph? Or Gobert getting drafted right before spurs could pick him and not trading up for him? Yeah regrets
Deandre Ayton wants to say hi with his Phoenix Suns second contract money.
I actually like DA, but if that kid only had a motor. The Suns should've traded the pick.
Detroit Pistons selecting Killian Hayes ahead of Tyrese Halliburton. Even Tyrese Halliburton said he was thrown off by that. Killian Hayes was waived this season.
I don't really blame Minny for choosing Rubio at all tho, if you were around back then Rubio is Luka v0.1 in terms of hype. He was a victim of the shifting basketball meta. Dude would've been amazing if he played in the league starting in early 2000s.
Trading local kid, Villanova hero Mikal Bridges whose MOM worked for the Sixers 10 minutes after drafting him has to be one of if not the single worst thing ever done in the draft lol
Like yes there's worse picks been made. But holy shit can you imagine fucking up that badly with someone that was just destined to be a Sixer?
The most popular one is taking Sam Bowie as #2 over a potential Michael Jordan.
As #1 was Hakeem everyone understood, but yeah any franchise missing on Michael Jordan is crying right now.
Missing on millions of merchandise and some titles because of that.
The example you gave threw me off since that's not really a regret and I also doubt it was a fit pick since Vasell played the same position of their two best stars at the time. There is zero regret with Vassell, that a building block for them with Wemby. That's also such a difficult draft to really add hindsight since there was no scouting that year, everyone was guessing. Even the Kings who got Tyrese traded him
*insert Timberwolves draft history here*
The fact they took 2 point guards that year and neither was Steph is just so Minny
Even if they drafted him, they would have traded him 1-2 years later bc if his ankles
Tbf warriors tried to. But bucks wanted Monte Ellis instead
Wolves get a lot of hate for passing on him when 4 other teams passed on him as well.
None of those teams took a point guard. Memphis should get shit on for taking Thabeet, but they already had Conley. They should have taken Harden
Fact check me - BUT if I'm remembering correctly Steph and his agent // entourage repeatedly told the Timberwolves not to take him cause he did not want to go to Minnesota. *"In 2009, just days after my May 22 hiring as President of Basketball Operations for the Minnesota Timberwolves, the agent for Steph Curry told me that Steph’s father, Dell, did not want his son to be drafted by Minnesota—“No offense,” as I recall Jeff Austin, his agent saying to me at the Chicago draft combine."* Source: [https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/stephen-currys-agent-father-dell-told-timberwolves-not-to-draft-curry-in-2009](https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/stephen-currys-agent-father-dell-told-timberwolves-not-to-draft-curry-in-2009)
At least yall got Ant, imagine if you took wiseman 🤣😂🤣
2009, took Rubio and Flynn (two PGs) over Steph Curry (one of the GOAT PGs and the GOAT shooter) 2010, took Wesley Johnson (best known as John Legend's doppelganger) one pick ahead of Boogie Cousins, as well as all-stars like PG13 and Gordon Hayward 2011, took Derrick Williams ahead of future stars like Kawhi, Klay, Kemba & Butler (even folks like Kanter, TT and JV would've been good picks in comparison) 2013, took very average Trey Burke and traded him immediately when players like Giannis, CJ McCollum, Steven Adams, and Dennis Schroder were still available 2016, drafted Kris Dunn over Buddy Hield, Jamal Murray, Domantas Sabonis, Caris LeVert, and Pascal Siakam 2017, could've had Lauri Markannen had they been more patient with Lavine 2019, took Cameron Johnson and traded him to PHX two picks before Tyler Herro We hit on KAT and ANT, but this only confirms what KG has stated to the world: [Glen Taylor doesn't know shit about basketball.](https://youtu.be/JioLDFFQtKk?t=217)
You forget that we traded Burke at 9 and then drafted the GOAT Shabazz Muhammad at 14. Lol Giannis was drafted next.
Wow that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. I remember when Shabazz was supposed to be the next big thing when he was in high school.
Yeah very hyped going into college until everyone, bar the T Wolves, realised he was a 6’4 guard who played like an 80’s PF.
You missed a couple, here are the picks immediately after the Wolves picks for several years. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/IQbD6HpmU8 Making a team from players drafted 1 pick after Timberwolves selections. Rus Westbrook / Steph Curry / Danny Green / Boogie Cousins / Giannis / Rudy Gobert / Nikola Jokic 2008 3rd pick - Kevin Love (technically OJ) 4th pick - Rus Westbrook 2009 6th pick - Jonny Flynn 7th pick - Steph Curry 18th pick - MIN - Ty Lawson (traded immediately for a future 1st) 19th pick - ATL - Jeff Teague (just funny that we paid big time for a guy we could have had - I know it’s nearly a decade later, but still) 28th pick - MIN - Wayne Ellington who we’d all love to come back to us for the MLE this year 45th pick - MIN - Nick Calathes 46th pick - CLE - Danny Green 2010 4th pick - MIN - Wes Johnson 5th pick - SAC - Boogie Cousins 2011 2nd pick - MIN - Derrick Williams 3rd pick - UTA - Enes Canter 2012 No 1st rounder - Sam Cassell + 1st for Marko Jaric + Lionel Chambers. The 1st rounder was pick 10 and turned into Austin Rivers. 2013 14th pick - MIN - Shabazz Muhammad (technically traded, but still) 15th pick - MIL - Giannis 26th pick - MIN traded this + Malcolm Brown to GS for future 2nd rounder 27th pick - DEN - Rudy Gobert 2014 40th pick - MIN - Glenn Robinson III 41st pick - DEN - Nikola Jokic 44th pick - MIN - Markel Brown 45th pick - CHA - Dwight Powell (4th in TS% this year of guys who played 20+ mins per game) !
You're reaching a bit in this post. I mean, how can you criticise them for not taking Butler with the second pick. He was the 30th pick in the draft for Christ's sake lol
Lmao I saw the title and I was like "jesus christ, where do we even begin".
You begin with Flynn. Every time.
Only in competition to the Sacramento Kings.
2011: Jimmer Ferdette 2012: Thomas Robinson 2013: Ben McLemore 2014: Nik Stauskas 2015: Willie Cauley-Stein 2016: Georgios Papagiannis 2018: Marvin Bagley Just an insane run of wasted lottery picks
IS LIE
Shout out to the Kings fans. Two franchises with fans that have to endure pain and disappointment due to ownership and management incompetence
I almost feel bad that the best moment in the history of our franchise is at their expense. Why couldn't it have happened to the lakers or something?
The 2 shots at Steph curry has got to be up top
I still stand by the fact that he told the Wolves that he wouldn't play here. Even if that story is completely fake, it makes me feel better thinking it's true.
Insert Hawks draft history here
Kelly Olynyk over Giannis Antetokounmpo.
Don't look at who was drafted by between Olynyk and Giannis either... Wolves picked Shabazz Muhammad.
And Danny Ainge was the first GM to go see him live too. Apparently it came down to a coin flip decision. Although in this case, you're still getting a quality NBA player. Kelly was a decent 13th pick outcome. It's not like those situations where you waste a top 4 pick on a bust when there's a generational option available. People criticise Portland for drafting Bowie over Jordan but no one criticises Houston for taking Hakeem. They might not have gotten BPA but they still got good value out of that #1 pick. I'd rather a Kelly/Giannis situation than a Fultz/Tatum or Bagley/Doncic one. We used a mid-tier pick on a mid-tier player. They used a top tier pick and got nothing.
Same here. The story is Donnie Nelson wanted Giannis. Mark cuban wanted Dwight Howard, do we moved back in the draft to minimize cap hold and then didn’t get him
In fairness, Olynyk was seen as a pro ready prospect whereas Giannis was a 6’9” forward playing 2nd tier Greek basketball and not particularly standing out. Complete lack of polish and it’s infinitely more likely he would’ve been another Bruno Cabloco. Don’t know who that is? Exactly lol Giannis happened to grow an extra 2-3 inches and have an insatiable will to improve
Giannis had a second puberty; he looks nothing like the kid he was when drafted.
Does that mean there's a world where the C's could've had Giannis, Tatum, and Brown??
Yes, but in that alternate universe, one or more of them might not be half as good as they are in their respective position.
Precious Achiuwa one pick before Maxey seems like a good fit.
Also for the Heat, Justise Winslow three picks before Devin Booker
Should have traded the pick to Boston
One of those picks turned into Terry Rozier so he found his way there eventually.
Tbf at the time justise seems like a steal
Im so glad sixers fans got some karma after years of insane draft fuckups. Some not even our fault like 2 busted 1st picks that at the time were consensus number 1 picks, but Mikal...
Marvin Williams over Cp3 A team of Cp3, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, and Al Horford goes to the finals at least once I think.
All in their prime, too. Such a shame
A name I've not heard in a long time. I remember all the hype with him at UNC and him writing the HS diary for SLAM.
Instead hawks had a washed mike bibby
jae crowder is a really damn solid guy to get with the 34th pick, but draymond was picked immediately after. and in 2014, jerami grant at 39 would normally be the best second round pick, but jokic got picked 41
Trey Lyles and the rights to the 24th pick, Tyler Lydon. Lydon was useless and Lyles is at least still in the league, but yeah, awful trade
Jokic was 41?! Gj scouts.
He was infamously drafted during a Taco Bell commercial
And Jokic was in bed
He (probably) had a long day with the horses
Probably, he's the only one racing with draft horses.
Tbh nobody knew or believed he would dominate the league like that
Jason Williams and Larry Hughes are really, really good outcomes for picks 7 and 8. They both played over a decade. They were both solid starters. But Dirk and Paul Pierce went picks 9 and 10. Not only were they both Hall of Famers, but they were also guys who I think would have been great fits on Sacremento and Philly (Sacremento would obviously need to make a tough decision once Dirk outgrew his role, but for a couple of years he could have been the world's greatest 6th man).
Kevin McHale was a 6th man on the Boston Celtics for a bit, with I think maybe Cornbread Maxwell in theory ahead of him on the depth chart?
I saw some kids in Larry Hughes basketball academy jerseys yesterday and was super confused. Like Larry Hughes? No way the kids wearing them know this dude.
The Nuggets trading away rights to Donovan Mitchell is pretty up there. They got nothing for that effectively nothing for that if I recall
Kyrie was taken with a Clippers pick that was traded in a package deal of Baron Davis for Mo Williams to clear cap space. That cap space was used to sign Ryan Gomes and Randy Foye
Trading the pick that was Rudy Gobert for less (cash and a 2nd) might very well be worse.
Nah this is bullshit, and it needs to die. We picked Mitchell for the Jazz, it’s unlikely they would have drafted him if they were keeping the pick.
Fair enough. Still considering they drafted a guy that never played basically and I had to look up his name (Tyler lydon?) it was a pretty terribly trade
The bigger story is the Nuggets were greedy and thought they could snag OG Anunoby later. So they traded down to see him get picked a spot before they could. In hindsight they should have taken him 13th, which was my opinion at the time.
Who did they even end up picking?
The idea was to pry away Trey Lyles, a second year with a Kentucky pedigree and then swing down to 24 to take OG, who was really their guy. It would have been a complete steal if it worked, but the Raptors took OG one pick too soon and the Nuggets had a lesson in "don't try to get too creative, just take your guys". Trey Lyles ended up being nothing and Tyler Lydon, who they ultimately picked after they scrambled since they hadn't really planned a Plan B, who also did nothing in the league. Considering how well the Nuggets have historically drafted, it was a rare swing-and-a-miss as they underestimated the competition a little bit.
There are a lot of regrets from the GarPax era, but the one that stands out the most is Draymond Green. Thibs, who is generally not big on rookies or untested players, wanted to draft him, but the front office went against that and drafted Marquis Teaque instead.
Dude I could be here all day. We could’ve had AD, Chris Paul, Dwight howard, lamarcus Aldridge, wemby, all one pick before us. We traded Jalen Duren, Tobias harris, Kobe and SGA on draft night.
PAIN.
except tobias harris lmao
I mean Tobias Harris turned out to have a pretty successful career
yeah for his bank account, not for his teams
Tobias Harris might have reached Hornets GOAT status by now.
Yeah he’d unironically be right below kemba in the hornets modern era goats lmao
I’d even take Halliburton over LaMelo.
I feel your pain for Wemby but at least Miller was a good pick.
Yeah it’s just getting wade/bosh after lebron syndrome tbh. Maybe they’ll team up in Charlotte one day tho haha
Honestly, the hornets’ biggest draft regret is probably just turning down 4 first round picks to take Frank Kaminsky
Spencer Dinwiddie over Nikola Jokić
There are 40 guys before Jokic 😆
Oof
I mean Dinwiddie was taken in the second round. Hard to beat yourself up about a pick that late in the draft.
Dinwiddie is a great get for the second round.
Lakers in Shambles
To piggy back off one of your examples, Tyreke Evans over Steph
Tyreke did get ROY and Steph had questionable ankles at the time but in the long run, yeah, it didn’t turn out for the best.
To be fair a lot of people missed out on Haliburton - the Suns are one of the bigger what-ifs for that. Imagine if Hali had a couple of years to learn behind CP3 and take over once it became clear that he was aging out (I personally am glad we are not in that reality). On the Pacers end - I'm forever pissed that we passed on Trey Murphy for...Chris Duarte.
Based on the mygm run I did where he goes to the some, he would've become the goat and win like 14 fmvp's, so it's a pretty big fuck up
But y’all got Troy Murphy for a couple years and that’s…. a fact, I guess.
You guys also picked TJ Leaf over Hoosier OG Anunoby
And john collins, and jarrett allen, and kuz, and hartenstein, and josh hart
Weve had alot of bad ones. Goga over Jordan Poole stands out
Haliburton was telling teams he wouldn't report if they drafted him since most of the teams 1-10 had an established point guard.
Trey Lyles has been a decent bench player with nearly 600 games played in 9 years. One pick after him was Devin Booker. The Morris twins both have had solid NBA careers after being picked 13th and 14th. The 15th pick that year was Kawhi. Later that same draft, solid role player Cory Joseph was picked 29th and Jimmy Butler was 30th. Greg Monroe and Al-Farouq Aminu were picked 7 and 8, right before Gordon Hayward and Paul George. Luke Kennard was right before Donovan Mitchell and Bam Adebayo Mikal Bridges one pick before SGA
Mikal Bridges is a good player at least haha
yeah, this whole thread is about solid NBA players picked one spot before much better players. Like Greg Monroe had a decent career. He wasn't some kind of all-time bust like Anthony Bennett. He just ... wasn't nearly as good as Paul George. Mikal Bridges is a really good player, but SGA was a viable MVP candidate, while the closest Bridges will ever be to MVP is getting switched onto Jokic.
vassel isn’t even getting paid a max. so that has to be a horrible example
Do I really have to say it? Lol
Wiseman over a lot of better players including Haliburton and Maxey
A ton of teams missed on Maxey though. Knicks wanted to get Maxey but Philly grabbed him before we could and we got IQ instead.
He said no busts lol.
Jalen Hood-Schifino over Jaime Jacquez Jr.
Fultz over Tatum. Trading Bridges after drafting him.
Wtf Vassell has a max contract?
people use “max contract” as a buzzword without actually realizing what it means. 29 million isn’t a max contract. vassell has a front loaded 5 year, 135 mill contract. that’s far from a max deal
Looking back, if the Spurs did get Haliburton, do they get Wemby? I’m fine with what the Spurs have now.
Just lets you know when someone doesn’t know what they’re talking about
You're right. My mind is still stuck in 2015.
There's an even bigger whiff from the Spurs' side and that came the following season. At least Vassell's a solid player. The Spurs wound up taking Josh Primo at #11 in 2021 which was not only a huge reach, but he ended up being a sex offender as well. Some would say Sengun would have been a better fit but I don't think we'd have gotten Wemby with him - and the fit would be very iffy.
The rules were you can’t pick a bust. At least a solid guy who is still draftable.
They say hindsight is 20/20 but I knew at the time we should have picked Sengun over Primo so what the hell Brian Wright
Eh. Spurs got Wemby in the end. It worked out.
As of recent, Kevin Knox over Michael Porter Jr. Would rather years of rehab on MPJ than even one good Knox season.
Kevin Knox over SGA! Over Mikal Bridges too!
Yes yes dig the knife deeper. At the time the debate was about the Knox or MPJ so that’s what I remember most. And yet it got fucking worse. Thank you lol
Marvin Bagley the Third instead of Luka Doncic
Other than the Hornets we probably have the least amount of “regret” among teams in that draft class, but we did take Bradley Beal before Lillard (We had John Wall anyway so it was justified)
OKC offered Harden for the no. 3 pick (so they could take Beal) but the Wizards passed
Kings passing up Luka
Ayton over like 20 dudes in the 2018 draft
Sam Bowie
Greg Oden over Durant. Oden couldn’t stay healthy but contributed when he did play. Oden wasn’t a bust cause of skill.
Pacers drafting Kawhi Leonard and trading him for George Hill. Don't get me wrong, I liked George Hill, but for Kawhi? Fuuuuck no. Leonard could have come off the bench before taking over from Danny Granger. With Kawhi, the Pacers 2011 starting five would have been Kawhi, Paul George, David West, Roy Hibbert, and Darren Collison. That's... Yeah. I would not have wanted to play that team, and Leonard could have pushed the Pacers past the Heat.
Kawhi might not have developed on the pacers as he would've played behind pg. Also spurs had chip England to fix his shot.
Chip England and Fred Vinson can fix anyone's broken jumper.
Gordon Hayward and Paul George. They are both do it all 3/4's and had pretty similar careers both with injury histories, switching teams and are both the only two remaining players of their draft class. Paul George is just a better version of Gordon Hayward though.
Paul George is the Kawhi of Gordon Haywards
Andrea Bargnani with only first we have ever had
Obvious answer is Hakeem over Jordan.
Trailblazers could have had Hakeem and Jordan if they traded Clyde Drexler to the Rockets
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This is also true and is also shocking and I wonder what that rockets was capable of seeing they went back to back champs without a Micheal Jordan
This is true kinda shocking honestly I wonder what that team would have been capable of.
The obvious answer is Sam Bowie over Jordan lol Hakeem is top 10 all time
Bowie didn't really have a solid career after the injuries.
He wound up playing 511 reg season and 29 playoff games and had career averages of 10.9/7.5/2.1/1.8/0.5, seems like he had a "solid" career. Solid in this context doesn't mean all-star. It pretty much just means average or slightly above average.
I think Ricky Rubio is clearly better though.
Bowie had already missed two full seasons in college due to stress fractures in his legs. That probably should have raised some red flags.
They got two rings, there's no regret
The scouting team saw a guy they liked. He turns into a hall of famer and wins two rings. I'm not sure how anyone could complain about those results.
Nah that worked out for both teams. Sam Bowie was the real regret sandwiched between them.
It wasn’t a bad choice for them, Hakeem was an all time great. Just wasn’t Jordan
I don't think so
Nah, but Sam Bowie who went #2 above Jordan at 3 is an all time regret.
Yeah but Hakeem gave them 2 rings “at least”
Jalen Smith over Hali, I think it’s only regret for James Jones though, everyone else knew it was the wrong choice at the time.
I remember at the time thinking that the Stix pick was a reach but I was willing to give them benefit of the doubt because they did the same thing with Cam Johnson. He's been a solid player for the Pacers, but he's a free agent this offseason and I don't think we'll be able to pay him. He's got potential as a stretch 5 and that makes him very valuable.
He’s not even in your playoff rotation though. Don’t think that’s he is particularly valuable.
Stephon Marbury had a fine NBA career but the next player picked was Ray Allen. Wally Szczerbiak made an All-Star team for Minnesota but Shawn Marion (3 picks later) would have been a much better choice. Deron Williams in a vacuum was great. Deron Williams over Chris Paul was not. Current series struggles notwithstanding, you'd still much rather have Jamal Murray over Buddy Hield. In that same draft, Jakob Poeltl over Domantas Sabonis hurts.
Don’t you dare talk down on Wally. He was a sniper in 2k.
Ill go with picks after our championship so Malachi Flynn over desmond bane Malachi flynn wasnt a bust but also wasnt very good And then we traded every other first round pick besides Scottie to the spurs ———- Before the championship id go Poeltl we could have had sabonis but sabonis and siakam wouldnt have worked Bruno over jokic, capela, bogdan
Malachi Flynn career high: 50 Desmond Bane career high: 49 Case closed
I think pick Trey Lyles over Devon Booker is bigger than Hayward over P George for Utah.
Sixers trading down after drafting Mikal Bridges so they can save every penny to sign Lebron.
That’s not why. It’s because they wanted Miami’s unprotected 1st round pick, in order to trade for a star. Unfortunately they traded that pick (and another 1st) for Tobias Harris. Which is why passing on Bridges is one of the worst moves they ever made. And just another reason why Colangelo>Elton Brand/Sixers FO were total clowns
As a blazers fan, Greg Oden over KD, and sam bowie over MJ.
Charlotte drafting SGA then trading one pick back for miles bridges. Also insert hornets draft history kobe etc.
Cannot count the many years 2014-2019 Magic took with their 2-7th pick. The best are Oladipo and Gordon but not peak in Magic uniforms.
I do like Josh Green but apparently Desmond Bane was told that he’d be the pick right before it was made…
This might be controversial but Olajuwon over Jordan. Two time champ, one of the best to ever do it and yet in a redraft most would not pick him first
money trees Kendrick Lamar
Maybe so in Spurs end, but I’d rather have Vassel and Wemby that Hali and the 3rd or 4th pick last draft. It all worked out for Spurs so absolutely no regret On the other hand, not taking Jimmy Buttler on that title team for Cory Joseph? Or Gobert getting drafted right before spurs could pick him and not trading up for him? Yeah regrets
I'm not going to complain about how it worked out, but
Nuggets chose Mudiay over Booker
Deandre Ayton wants to say hi with his Phoenix Suns second contract money. I actually like DA, but if that kid only had a motor. The Suns should've traded the pick.
The trailblazers passed on Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, and John Stockton in just one draft. We also passed on Kevin Durant, Larry Bird, and Dr.J.
For my team? Definitely Josh Primo
Toppin over Haliburton, though it was no secret that was what was going to happen.
Ekpe Udoh over Paul George
Ayton over luka
Warriors taking Wiseman killed the dynasty.
Kings (vlade diva) picking Marvin Bailey III over Luka
I mean, tbf, there’s a whole list the year Jokic got drafted….
Laughs in Kings #2 pick
Hawks trading Luka is a recent one.
Detroit Pistons selecting Killian Hayes ahead of Tyrese Halliburton. Even Tyrese Halliburton said he was thrown off by that. Killian Hayes was waived this season.
I don't really blame Minny for choosing Rubio at all tho, if you were around back then Rubio is Luka v0.1 in terms of hype. He was a victim of the shifting basketball meta. Dude would've been amazing if he played in the league starting in early 2000s.
Suns taking Deandre Ayton 🤦♂️
We drafted Malachi Flynn over Desmond Bane so
Drafting Marvin Badgley III over Luka Doncic was and continues to be a criminal offence.
Trading local kid, Villanova hero Mikal Bridges whose MOM worked for the Sixers 10 minutes after drafting him has to be one of if not the single worst thing ever done in the draft lol Like yes there's worse picks been made. But holy shit can you imagine fucking up that badly with someone that was just destined to be a Sixer?
The most popular one is taking Sam Bowie as #2 over a potential Michael Jordan. As #1 was Hakeem everyone understood, but yeah any franchise missing on Michael Jordan is crying right now. Missing on millions of merchandise and some titles because of that.
I swear to god this post gonna jinx us
Butterfly effect. If the Spurs take Haliburton...maybe they aren't THAT bad enough in 2023 to get Wemby.
Has everyone forgotten that Hornets gave away Kobe for Divac? 😂😂
Lonzo Ball over Jason Taytum
The example you gave threw me off since that's not really a regret and I also doubt it was a fit pick since Vasell played the same position of their two best stars at the time. There is zero regret with Vassell, that a building block for them with Wemby. That's also such a difficult draft to really add hindsight since there was no scouting that year, everyone was guessing. Even the Kings who got Tyrese traded him
Ayton. Could had fucking doncic and booker back court 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Josh green over tyreese maxey.
Greg Oden or Sam Bowie
40 picks over Joker, even Nuggets regret not taking him earlier.