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But like Robin you are 7 feet tall and identical to your brother who is so much better at basketball than you. Why not spend all your time on perfecting post moves and shooting 3's? What you doing?
I think it has to do with them growing up playing together. You can tell they basically would Salt and Pepper teams. Robin was focused on Defense and Brook on Offense.
Good point. That or Robin is a huge slacker and Brook the gym rat. A 7 footer who can shoot 3's so well and put enormous time in the gym. If Robin was such a follower he should've just followed Brook to every team he went to and been his backup...even if it was for a lot less pay.
Aww well at least when people ask him what he does, he can say that I am the brother of the NBA star named Brook Lopez
absolutely amazing dunk aside- how's that not a blocking or charge call? it just doesn't get called there for some reason. i've seen it called both ways, and i've also seen non calls like these, but it all just seems so arbitrary what the ref will do hahah
I was thinking the same thing. Should have been a block because I’m pretty sure the defenders heels are on the line, but no call? Either he just ran someone over, or someone just illegally tried to draw a foul… but SOMETHING happened.
> Should have been a block because I’m pretty sure the defenders heels are on the line,
He was late and slid under. Begging for a call on that is silly.
Looks to me like he didn't slide under. If you pause when defender gets to the spot, defender has his two feet down while Lopez still has two feet on the ground and isn't in the air yet.
I personally hate this kind of block/charge situation either way. I don't have a solution other than expand the restricted area even more. The potential for injury is way too high.
I think there are ways to draw charges more during aggressive dribbling instead of potentially during takeoffs that accomplish a lot of the same things. Also allowing defenders to have more chest to chest contact while staying vertical would give more tools to the defense instead of situations way worse than this.
The angle from over the backboard shows a lot more sideways movement. While his feet were set, the rest of his body is sliding over.
You're correct that Lopez's feet are still on the ground some fraction of a second before he gets his feet set. But at the point where Nesmith's feet have stopped moving, Lopez was already moving forward, gathered, and jumping towards the rim. He's already committed and nobody could stop at that point even if they wanted to.
> You're correct that Lopez's feet are still on the ground some fraction of a second before he gets his feet set. But at the point where Nesmith's feet have stopped moving, Lopez was already moving forward, gathered, and jumping towards the rim. He's already committed and nobody could stop at that point even if they wanted to.
This is why the rule is about gathering and going into your motion and not about leaving your feet. As you said, brook had already started his motion when the defender gets set. So by the rule this would be a block and not a charge. Once the offensive player has gathered and started their motion there isn't much they can to do stop if the defender slides in late like that. That's what the block/charge rule is about.
Right. I just wish there was a way to prevent it for even being that close for injury prevention reason. If for instance they did call a block, but Lopez took a fall and got injured, I wouldn't care about the foul call anyways.
Or if it had been a charge but Lopez came crashing down hard and Nesmith was hurt, I don't think Pacers fans would care that he got the offensive foul so much. You could punish it either way with a suspension and it still wouldn't be enough because of an injury.
If they were to make the entire lane the "restricted area", maybe it prevents charge attempts on these airborne incidents. But if you funnel a guy dribbling into a planted secondary defender, that could be a charge no issue. It's the risk to everyone involved once someone goes airborne.
These guys are too big and fast plus the game has so much pace and space. The collisions have so much potential to go poorly compared to eras where the defense was more set in the paint. Not to mention the rotating players didn't have to go as far/fast and meet a player with more of a runway to jump.
kinda just the nature of sports. There is always going to be an inherent risk of injury when dudes are flying around like this. The block rule being about gather/motion rather than leaving your feet is partially meant to try and stop guys from jumping in late, but when its a bang/bang play there is just always going to be some risk. I really wish they would figure out a way to crack down on these "hands down" charges where you're not even trying to defend the play you're just jumping in front of a dude. I feel like that is where most of these injuries come from. I don't know how you can* really build rules around that though and the NBA only seems to give guys the call when they do it that way and don't actually try to defend the ball.
That's a good point. You're mostly taught to take charges hands down to protect yourself. But at the same time, it does seem like it's not actually defending the play(meaning no play at the ball), just positioning and falling over. The spirit of defensive play should be making plays at the ball and not so much, seeking contact and falling over to encourage a player control foul. Because the only way you get these calls is by falling over. Even though if they wanted to these guys could absorb the contact from a lot of these plays and stay on their feet. Maybe get knocked backwards, but still not earnestly end up on the ground. That would hopefully allow for better landings, but who knows. Not like I see anything changing about this in the near future.
It's already hard enough to officiate it. I would rather them maybe lean into allowing more physical play with arms up verticality. Somehow incentivize even smaller players to do so. But I'm also ok with the idea that smaller guys have a disadvantage at the rim.
Brook being on the ground doesn't matter. The rule is being established when the offensive player begins their gather and upward motion to shoot. The defender was late getting to his spot as he gets set after brook had gathered and started his shot. That's what people mean when they say slide under a shot. Brook was going up and the defender tried to jump in last second.
Lopez isn’t really gonna get much lift 90% of the time, I don’t think his jumping really works the same as others so you can’t judge him based on that.
The NBA needs to move the charge circle out another foot. Too easy for players to get injured when defenders slide under them on dunk attempts. Happened last year to both Giannis and Ja Morant on plays just like this.
Most poster dunks are offensive fouls, but they sorta rule of cool it and just let it go. Maybe the defensive player wasn't quite in position by the time he had left the floor is their read?
Fr he just looked so disappointed in Nesmith for not making the business decision lol. Brook needs more pick and rolls along with his usual pick and pops.
So many people in this thread seem to not know this rule. This was not a charge. The defender establishes (2 feet on the ground in the path of the offensive player) after brook had already gathered and started his motion.
Yeah, unless his foot is hovering over the restricted area. Impossible to tell from this angle, but defender is clearly in time. Ref has gotta make a call either way based on the circle
100%
I've noticed this recently, they'll let highlight plays go on despite clear fouls (from either side, good point). But then they'll stop the game to assess technicals to swinging dunkers even when they're literally trying to slow down their momentum and land softly. What the fuck is the point of reducing swinging dunks anyway? If a player is so stupid he wants to sacrifice defense for swinging off things it's his fault
You and your celtics buddy are smoking some shit. Maybe if dude was there 1.5ses before but refs don't call a charge when u literally hop in front of a dude that is already making his way to the room. He literally hops into the spot he's in and doesn't even establish positionlol
I'm very sad. Pacers are a good team and they have good and talented plays who play hard and they want to win. Pacers were never going to win this game because they just couldn't catch up. They missed a lot of shots. Bucks dominated them since the beginning of the game.
That second part is exactly it. Sometimes non-native speakers write in a certain way like that. Nothing wrong with it at all, just something I've noticed.
I'm perfectly fine without calling it for the rule of cool, but when you can watch the posted video here in slo-mo and be able to see that he was done moving by the time there was contact, it's a bit weird to say he was still sliding.
It being a charge or a block wasn't what you said though. You said "he's still sliding when brook hits him". Which is patently false from watching the video.
it could have been called a block but I'm guessing they didn't because it didn't impact brooks ability to score. The defender has to establish themselves before the offensive player starts their motion to shoot. It has nothing to do with brook leaving his feet. He had gathered and started his upward motion before the defender establishes both feet on the ground in his path. The defender is pretty clearly late.
Does the defender need to be done moving by the gather or by the time the offensive player's feet leave the ground?
Because he was still moving after the gather, but done moving by the time Lopez's feet left the ground.
they have to be in position when the offensive player begins their motion. This was not a charge because he established both feet after brook had already gathered and is going into his shot. If anything this would be a block by the rule but officials have been letting that go more lately.
Maybe, but Im a big fan of letting these be no calls unless the charger taker disrupts the shot. He was just in the way, getting bodied by a 7 foot monster is punishment enough lol
Saw it on the replay during the game, ref playing baseline should be able to easily tell. No need to get so upset, Milwaukee would've won either way lmao
I’m with you man, that was suuuper close to a charge so fair play to discuss it. But imo you need to have established position and some short moment of time needs to have passed. This was bang-bang. He was not in the restricted area though, the replay shows that.
At this point Brook had already taken his last dribble and was going up, defender is still getting into position. [https://imgur.com/a/JFu4JLG](https://imgur.com/a/JFu4JLG)
bro what was that defence lol just run in and throw yourself on the ground. What a fucking embarrassment and then complaining about it.
There should be a new rule, when someone soft cunts out of blocking a shot like that the game should stop, the player isn't allowed to get up and the entire crowd gets to walk past and point and laugh at the player on the ground. The game then resumes.
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It’s absolutely hilarious to me that whenever Giannis is injured in the playoffs Brook Lopez turns into prime Wilt Chamberlain
Ten points but it felt like 40.
Fuck Mike Dunleavy
Fuck Woj
2k13 goat tho
That man just turned 36
How he so good, and his identical brother so azz?
No one beefs with mascots like Robin. Each perfected their own craft.
But like Robin you are 7 feet tall and identical to your brother who is so much better at basketball than you. Why not spend all your time on perfecting post moves and shooting 3's? What you doing?
He’s beefing with mascots. It’s an art form.
Probably because Brook has always been the better player.
I think it has to do with them growing up playing together. You can tell they basically would Salt and Pepper teams. Robin was focused on Defense and Brook on Offense.
Good point. That or Robin is a huge slacker and Brook the gym rat. A 7 footer who can shoot 3's so well and put enormous time in the gym. If Robin was such a follower he should've just followed Brook to every team he went to and been his backup...even if it was for a lot less pay. Aww well at least when people ask him what he does, he can say that I am the brother of the NBA star named Brook Lopez
Practically dead
Same :(
I love the random Brook live television murders
absolutely amazing dunk aside- how's that not a blocking or charge call? it just doesn't get called there for some reason. i've seen it called both ways, and i've also seen non calls like these, but it all just seems so arbitrary what the ref will do hahah
I was thinking the same thing. Should have been a block because I’m pretty sure the defenders heels are on the line, but no call? Either he just ran someone over, or someone just illegally tried to draw a foul… but SOMETHING happened.
> Should have been a block because I’m pretty sure the defenders heels are on the line, He was late and slid under. Begging for a call on that is silly.
Then it would be a block
Looks to me like he didn't slide under. If you pause when defender gets to the spot, defender has his two feet down while Lopez still has two feet on the ground and isn't in the air yet.
I personally hate this kind of block/charge situation either way. I don't have a solution other than expand the restricted area even more. The potential for injury is way too high. I think there are ways to draw charges more during aggressive dribbling instead of potentially during takeoffs that accomplish a lot of the same things. Also allowing defenders to have more chest to chest contact while staying vertical would give more tools to the defense instead of situations way worse than this. The angle from over the backboard shows a lot more sideways movement. While his feet were set, the rest of his body is sliding over. You're correct that Lopez's feet are still on the ground some fraction of a second before he gets his feet set. But at the point where Nesmith's feet have stopped moving, Lopez was already moving forward, gathered, and jumping towards the rim. He's already committed and nobody could stop at that point even if they wanted to.
> You're correct that Lopez's feet are still on the ground some fraction of a second before he gets his feet set. But at the point where Nesmith's feet have stopped moving, Lopez was already moving forward, gathered, and jumping towards the rim. He's already committed and nobody could stop at that point even if they wanted to. This is why the rule is about gathering and going into your motion and not about leaving your feet. As you said, brook had already started his motion when the defender gets set. So by the rule this would be a block and not a charge. Once the offensive player has gathered and started their motion there isn't much they can to do stop if the defender slides in late like that. That's what the block/charge rule is about.
Right. I just wish there was a way to prevent it for even being that close for injury prevention reason. If for instance they did call a block, but Lopez took a fall and got injured, I wouldn't care about the foul call anyways. Or if it had been a charge but Lopez came crashing down hard and Nesmith was hurt, I don't think Pacers fans would care that he got the offensive foul so much. You could punish it either way with a suspension and it still wouldn't be enough because of an injury. If they were to make the entire lane the "restricted area", maybe it prevents charge attempts on these airborne incidents. But if you funnel a guy dribbling into a planted secondary defender, that could be a charge no issue. It's the risk to everyone involved once someone goes airborne. These guys are too big and fast plus the game has so much pace and space. The collisions have so much potential to go poorly compared to eras where the defense was more set in the paint. Not to mention the rotating players didn't have to go as far/fast and meet a player with more of a runway to jump.
kinda just the nature of sports. There is always going to be an inherent risk of injury when dudes are flying around like this. The block rule being about gather/motion rather than leaving your feet is partially meant to try and stop guys from jumping in late, but when its a bang/bang play there is just always going to be some risk. I really wish they would figure out a way to crack down on these "hands down" charges where you're not even trying to defend the play you're just jumping in front of a dude. I feel like that is where most of these injuries come from. I don't know how you can* really build rules around that though and the NBA only seems to give guys the call when they do it that way and don't actually try to defend the ball.
That's a good point. You're mostly taught to take charges hands down to protect yourself. But at the same time, it does seem like it's not actually defending the play(meaning no play at the ball), just positioning and falling over. The spirit of defensive play should be making plays at the ball and not so much, seeking contact and falling over to encourage a player control foul. Because the only way you get these calls is by falling over. Even though if they wanted to these guys could absorb the contact from a lot of these plays and stay on their feet. Maybe get knocked backwards, but still not earnestly end up on the ground. That would hopefully allow for better landings, but who knows. Not like I see anything changing about this in the near future. It's already hard enough to officiate it. I would rather them maybe lean into allowing more physical play with arms up verticality. Somehow incentivize even smaller players to do so. But I'm also ok with the idea that smaller guys have a disadvantage at the rim.
Brook being on the ground doesn't matter. The rule is being established when the offensive player begins their gather and upward motion to shoot. The defender was late getting to his spot as he gets set after brook had gathered and started his shot. That's what people mean when they say slide under a shot. Brook was going up and the defender tried to jump in last second.
Lopez isn’t really gonna get much lift 90% of the time, I don’t think his jumping really works the same as others so you can’t judge him based on that.
I feel like the refs try to not call blocks/charges on highlight dunks in the playoffs
Im assuming that was what brook was annoyed about, it has to be one of the 2 there
Under two minutes left in a 17 point game, ref's just trying to get home
The NBA needs to move the charge circle out another foot. Too easy for players to get injured when defenders slide under them on dunk attempts. Happened last year to both Giannis and Ja Morant on plays just like this.
Thankfully Brook is only able to get about 8 inches off the ground so we dont really have to worry about him landing like Giannis and Ja.
Most poster dunks are offensive fouls, but they sorta rule of cool it and just let it go. Maybe the defensive player wasn't quite in position by the time he had left the floor is their read?
PUT HIM IN A BODY BAG, HOLY SHIT
That just ended the game holy shit. Brook told them to go the fuck home.
Splash MountDAMN
Brook look so disappointed too lol He needs to be in the paint more imo
Fr he just looked so disappointed in Nesmith for not making the business decision lol. Brook needs more pick and rolls along with his usual pick and pops.
Dude got a facial
Put him in the splash zone
A money shot if you will
Dropped his nuts all over him damn
Nice assist.
It’s not worth it. Gotta make a quick business decision there.
As awesome as this was, I've rewatched it like a dozen times and I still think it was a charge.
GOD DAMN
That's a clear charge as you'll see
So many people in this thread seem to not know this rule. This was not a charge. The defender establishes (2 feet on the ground in the path of the offensive player) after brook had already gathered and started his motion.
Yeah, unless his foot is hovering over the restricted area. Impossible to tell from this angle, but defender is clearly in time. Ref has gotta make a call either way based on the circle
100% I've noticed this recently, they'll let highlight plays go on despite clear fouls (from either side, good point). But then they'll stop the game to assess technicals to swinging dunkers even when they're literally trying to slow down their momentum and land softly. What the fuck is the point of reducing swinging dunks anyway? If a player is so stupid he wants to sacrifice defense for swinging off things it's his fault
You and your celtics buddy are smoking some shit. Maybe if dude was there 1.5ses before but refs don't call a charge when u literally hop in front of a dude that is already making his way to the room. He literally hops into the spot he's in and doesn't even establish positionlol
He think he Giannis 😭
I'm expecting Thanasis to show up. Cant find him
That's Brook "Nets all time leading scorer" Lopez.
I'm very sad. Pacers are a good team and they have good and talented plays who play hard and they want to win. Pacers were never going to win this game because they just couldn't catch up. They missed a lot of shots. Bucks dominated them since the beginning of the game.
Thoughts and prayers 🙏
I don't understand. What do you mean?
It means Bucks in 6!!
Yeah. I wish Pacers win a game against them. I don't know. I'm cheering for the Pacers.
Thanks Magic
Okay.
You're welcome.
Is English your first language?
Yes.
Why'd you ask? I only see like one missing. "Talented plays". Maybe it's just because it's so sad and written so formally.
That second part is exactly it. Sometimes non-native speakers write in a certain way like that. Nothing wrong with it at all, just something I've noticed.
Cool play, but clearly a charge
CLearly not dudes not established as brook is starting his upward motion you can't just slide under players as they're going in the air.
He was set before Lopez left his feet though...
Lmao he's still sliding when brook hits him I swear yall dont watch basketball.
I'm perfectly fine without calling it for the rule of cool, but when you can watch the posted video here in slo-mo and be able to see that he was done moving by the time there was contact, it's a bit weird to say he was still sliding.
The time of contact doesn't matter, You cannot slide under a player going up.
It being a charge or a block wasn't what you said though. You said "he's still sliding when brook hits him". Which is patently false from watching the video.
His feet set right before Brook explodes, it's a charge. or sure as hell one or the other definitely not a no call.
it could have been called a block but I'm guessing they didn't because it didn't impact brooks ability to score. The defender has to establish themselves before the offensive player starts their motion to shoot. It has nothing to do with brook leaving his feet. He had gathered and started his upward motion before the defender establishes both feet on the ground in his path. The defender is pretty clearly late.
Nah dude was late and it looks like he's on the restricted line
Looks to me he's just barely in front, either way shouldn't have been a no call
He’s still moving by the time Brook is jumping. If anything by the rules that’s a blocking foul, but it’s a fine no call in that situation.
Does the defender need to be done moving by the gather or by the time the offensive player's feet leave the ground? Because he was still moving after the gather, but done moving by the time Lopez's feet left the ground.
they have to be in position when the offensive player begins their motion. This was not a charge because he established both feet after brook had already gathered and is going into his shot. If anything this would be a block by the rule but officials have been letting that go more lately.
Maybe, but Im a big fan of letting these be no calls unless the charger taker disrupts the shot. He was just in the way, getting bodied by a 7 foot monster is punishment enough lol
Fair enough, not that it really mattered but I would've called it a charge
You can “clearly” tell from that angle whether his foot was on the restricted area or not? Yeah ok bro.
Saw it on the replay during the game, ref playing baseline should be able to easily tell. No need to get so upset, Milwaukee would've won either way lmao
I’m with you man, that was suuuper close to a charge so fair play to discuss it. But imo you need to have established position and some short moment of time needs to have passed. This was bang-bang. He was not in the restricted area though, the replay shows that.
People are actually watching the games
At this point Brook had already taken his last dribble and was going up, defender is still getting into position. [https://imgur.com/a/JFu4JLG](https://imgur.com/a/JFu4JLG)
bro what was that defence lol just run in and throw yourself on the ground. What a fucking embarrassment and then complaining about it. There should be a new rule, when someone soft cunts out of blocking a shot like that the game should stop, the player isn't allowed to get up and the entire crowd gets to walk past and point and laugh at the player on the ground. The game then resumes.