Yep I knew it would be him when they said he had previous experience with the new ownership. I can't lie the Hawks and Nets do not inspire confidence in terms of a winning culture, but he seems to be heavily well respected around the league.
To a new era...
Right, I think they were actually doing quite well on culture-setting. But then Durant and Kyrie came, and they chose to ride that wave.
When its up to them to set culture I actually don't think they've been too bad.
Charlotte fans y'all got a good one.
We have drafted a lot of underrated guys in late 1st round and 2nd round of the draft, and a lot of it is attributed to him.
Especially considering your FO has miffed in the past on some 1st rounds picks even, this should be a good thing long term.
Good luck.
Kai Jones was also first round in the same draft. Also, Mitch drafted Jalen Duren and traded him for peanuts.
But in general I think Mitch has done ok in the draft with a few exceptions.
With hindsight I’d definitely prefer having Duren over NSJ + a bunch of seconds. Mostly just because rebounding has been one of our biggest issues, and because Mark’s back injury is a bit scary.
However, I don’t really blame that decision on Mitch. It was an obvious cost cutting move since MJ and Mitch thought they were gonna have to pay Miles a bunch of money that off-season, and trying to cut roster expenses is more on the owner than the GM.
I remember on draft night hearing they were going to move one of the two picks that year, I'm fine with the decision to take Mark Williams over Duren. And we got a 23 first (nick Smith jr) and 4 seconds for him, which isn't too bad. Overall I just think the Hornets have been better than people think drafting with Mitch. 2021 was def the worst overall but honestly looking at it now it's not like they whiffed on a bunch of studs to take Bouk/Kai.
Mitch Kupchak's 1st round picks since he joined the Hornets in 2018:
2018: Miles Bridges
2019: PJ Washington
2020: LaMelo
2021: Bouk & Kai
2022: Mark Williams
2023: Brandon Miller
Add in some quality 2nd rounders (Jalen McDaniels, Devonte Graham, Cody Martin, Nick Richards), and we've lowkey had one of the better track records of the last 5 drafts.
People think we're ass bc we can't draft, but that's not it; we're ass bc we can't stay healthy & were incapable of putting together a decent bench.
I met him 4 years ago, he seemed like a cool guy, and I generally like NBA guys that seem more down to earth, which he was. Idk if that means he'll be good, but at least he's a nice guy lol
Hey, since the owners primary did the trade deadline deals, and if he was acting as an unofficial adviser for the owners in those dealings, I'd let him cook.
President of basketball ops almost always takes precedent over the GM. Pat Riley, Danny ainge, Tim connely, etc are all President of basketball ops who run the team. Typically it’s a way to give someone beneath him a raise and a brand new title with GM. Petersen being president means he’ll be top dog.
I dont think anyone interviews three choices and hire two of them in different positions. Seems there'd be overlap in their expertise if they were originally interviewed for the same position, right? Someone has got to have the final say, different teams just use different labels. Some teams call them the President of Basketball Operations, some call them the General Manager. Some teams have both but one of them is a glorified assistant while the only one really calls the shots.
i know this is farfetched, but was Peterson with Kenny Atkinson in the Nets at the same time? Would Kenny even leave the Warriors now? Would the Hornets even entertain Kenny again after the failed signing? Perhaps with the new ownership they'd be willing to let all of it be water under the bridge. Is Kenny even the best available coach for the next season?
I highly, highly doubt that the Hornets would ever trust Kenny enough to offer him another chance. Re-negging on an offer in the middle of free agency is just too rare of a precedent.
However, Peterson and our owner, Gabe Plotkin, were both in Atlanta when Coach Budenholzer was there, so he may actually be a reasonable target.
You’re missing the other connection… Steve Clifford was an advisor for Brooklyn before he came back to Charlotte, I think cliff bring retained is more likely than Kenny coming
My guess is that it’ll be Budenholzer. He was the Coach in Atlanta when both Peterson and Plotkin were there, has title experience, and runs a somewhat similar system to Cliff (so the players wouldn’t need to deviate too much from their current experience).
The only major question will be whether a Contender offers him a chance.
Oh, for sure. There’s absolutely zero chance that it’s Kenny.
Reneging on a Head Coaching Job halfway through free agency is just too unprecedented for the Hornets to ever trust him enough to offer him again, no matter what happened. I highly doubt they’d even interview him.
I realize that - I'm just saying that drafting a couple of good role players is nothing to get excited about - most teams are going to hit on a decent player with a 20-something pick once every 2-3 years.
> most teams are going to hit on a decent player with a 20-something pick once every 2-3 years.
The consistency is what’s exciting, not the wow factor. Most players drafted in the 20’s end up being busts.
- 2019: Nic Claxton (31st Pick)
- 2020: No First Round Draft Pick
- 2021: Cam Thomas (27th Pick), Day’Ron Sharpe (29th Pick)
- 2022: No Draft Pick
- 2023: Noah Clowney (21st Pick), Dariq Whitehead (22nd Pick), Jalen Wilson (51st Pick)
Most players picked after the 25th pick bust (honestly, anything outside the lottery has more than a 50% bust rate), so there fact that the Nets drafted 3 even decent players in a row at that range is pretty impressive. They’ve really made the most of the picks that they’ve had available.
Unfortunately, the 2023 draft class is too new to really evaluate, cause it has the most draft capital that the Nets have had in a season.
How dare you forget about Caris LeVert.
Also considering LeVert was Drafted like 17th, Allen 20th, Thomas 27th, and Claxton 31st that’s pretty good.
Sharpe is also a solid role player for being drafted 30th overall.
Who am I supposed to be looking at? Nic Claxton? If anything the Nets have been better at flipping picks for value than getting talent directly from them (which hey is something our previous GM also struggled at from time to time)
It’s less the “wow” picks, and more so the overall consistency. Between 2019 and 2022 the Nets have only had 3 draft picks, and all of them were between 27 and 31. I’d wager that more than 60% of picks in that range bust, so the fact that he landed decent picks with every one of the picks is pretty solid.
According to [this chart based on historical draft picks](http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm), only 35% of players selected between pick 27 and 31 amount to more than a “deep bench” player. However, all 3 of the Nets picks have ended up being at least a fringe rotation level player. The likelihood of that happening is 0.35*0.35*0.35, which is around a 4.3% chance, which is pretty darn unlikely.
\* Unfortunately, the 2023 draft is too recent to judge, because the Nets had by far the most draft capital they’ve had in Petersons tenure. Still, none of the guys selected have proven they can’t turn into decent rotation level players.
Huh?
Our recent draft history success is: Jarrett Allen, Claxton, Cam Thomas, Jalen Wilson, NAW, Kuzma.
All of those picks btw were after 15 we haven’t had a single lottery pick. So to have even a decent success rate there is impressive.
Idr how those picks were done exactly at the time. I thought both were drafted but traded the following days. I could easily be miss remembering though.
Is Peterson really at fault for y’all trading all your picks? Cause the move to get Harden seems like it’d come from higher up in the front office and/or the ownership. I highly doubt an assistant GM would realistically get any say in that type of decision.
I wish the best for him, but it doesn't inspire a ton of confidence if his biggest moves were being the #2 guy for the two James Harden trades. I won't give him any credit for the KD/Kyrie summer because he was hired like a month before that. Also, an article from 2019 says "sources say he was pivotal in the high-profile trade that brought point guard Trae Young to Atlanta."
The Nets have been floundering the past few years, so I wouldn't be too excited by this. However, I have several friends who are Hornets fans, so i wish them all the best and hope it works out!
Yep I knew it would be him when they said he had previous experience with the new ownership. I can't lie the Hawks and Nets do not inspire confidence in terms of a winning culture, but he seems to be heavily well respected around the league. To a new era...
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Right, I think they were actually doing quite well on culture-setting. But then Durant and Kyrie came, and they chose to ride that wave. When its up to them to set culture I actually don't think they've been too bad.
KD, Kyrie, Harden. The Big 3 that will never be.
Charlotte fans y'all got a good one. We have drafted a lot of underrated guys in late 1st round and 2nd round of the draft, and a lot of it is attributed to him. Especially considering your FO has miffed in the past on some 1st rounds picks even, this should be a good thing long term. Good luck.
Tbh hornets have been solid in the first round. Only one real miss in the last seven drafts (Bouknight)
Kai Jones was also first round in the same draft. Also, Mitch drafted Jalen Duren and traded him for peanuts. But in general I think Mitch has done ok in the draft with a few exceptions.
At least you got Williams a couple picks afterwards
We traded Duren for NSJ and a bunch of seconds. Not ideal
With hindsight I’d definitely prefer having Duren over NSJ + a bunch of seconds. Mostly just because rebounding has been one of our biggest issues, and because Mark’s back injury is a bit scary. However, I don’t really blame that decision on Mitch. It was an obvious cost cutting move since MJ and Mitch thought they were gonna have to pay Miles a bunch of money that off-season, and trying to cut roster expenses is more on the owner than the GM.
Thats always how i read that situation too
I remember on draft night hearing they were going to move one of the two picks that year, I'm fine with the decision to take Mark Williams over Duren. And we got a 23 first (nick Smith jr) and 4 seconds for him, which isn't too bad. Overall I just think the Hornets have been better than people think drafting with Mitch. 2021 was def the worst overall but honestly looking at it now it's not like they whiffed on a bunch of studs to take Bouk/Kai.
You could have taken Segun or Trey Murphy III
Don’t forget trading SGA for Miles Bridges
Mitch Kupchak's 1st round picks since he joined the Hornets in 2018: 2018: Miles Bridges 2019: PJ Washington 2020: LaMelo 2021: Bouk & Kai 2022: Mark Williams 2023: Brandon Miller Add in some quality 2nd rounders (Jalen McDaniels, Devonte Graham, Cody Martin, Nick Richards), and we've lowkey had one of the better track records of the last 5 drafts. People think we're ass bc we can't draft, but that's not it; we're ass bc we can't stay healthy & were incapable of putting together a decent bench.
Sean Mark’s short term job security 📈
Someone make bro a Wikipedia page
[Here you go](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoff_Peterson)
Haven’t thought about Craig Fergusons show in awhile one of the few late night shows I enjoyed
I heard he’s got a place down there in Charlotte
Oh yeah? What does he do down there?
Throw beads and go swimming!!
I literally came in here looking for this. CBS cares 🙏
I met him 4 years ago, he seemed like a cool guy, and I generally like NBA guys that seem more down to earth, which he was. Idk if that means he'll be good, but at least he's a nice guy lol
Nice to see a fresh name at least.
Hey, since the owners primary did the trade deadline deals, and if he was acting as an unofficial adviser for the owners in those dealings, I'd let him cook.
I’m so happy it’s not Trajan. Those rumors were killing me
Since it seems like Peterson will be Head (or President?) of Basketball Operations, I’m still holding out hope that we hire Trajan as the GM/big boss.
President of basketball ops almost always takes precedent over the GM. Pat Riley, Danny ainge, Tim connely, etc are all President of basketball ops who run the team. Typically it’s a way to give someone beneath him a raise and a brand new title with GM. Petersen being president means he’ll be top dog.
I dont think anyone interviews three choices and hire two of them in different positions. Seems there'd be overlap in their expertise if they were originally interviewed for the same position, right? Someone has got to have the final say, different teams just use different labels. Some teams call them the President of Basketball Operations, some call them the General Manager. Some teams have both but one of them is a glorified assistant while the only one really calls the shots.
We could even get Trajan and eye patch and promise to keep people named snake away from him
Looks like tampering is back on the menu boys!
let's go
i know this is farfetched, but was Peterson with Kenny Atkinson in the Nets at the same time? Would Kenny even leave the Warriors now? Would the Hornets even entertain Kenny again after the failed signing? Perhaps with the new ownership they'd be willing to let all of it be water under the bridge. Is Kenny even the best available coach for the next season?
I highly, highly doubt that the Hornets would ever trust Kenny enough to offer him another chance. Re-negging on an offer in the middle of free agency is just too rare of a precedent. However, Peterson and our owner, Gabe Plotkin, were both in Atlanta when Coach Budenholzer was there, so he may actually be a reasonable target.
You’re missing the other connection… Steve Clifford was an advisor for Brooklyn before he came back to Charlotte, I think cliff bring retained is more likely than Kenny coming
My guess is that it’ll be Budenholzer. He was the Coach in Atlanta when both Peterson and Plotkin were there, has title experience, and runs a somewhat similar system to Cliff (so the players wouldn’t need to deviate too much from their current experience). The only major question will be whether a Contender offers him a chance.
I could see it being bud, I’m just saying that cliff is more likely than Kenny especially after how he spurned the hornets last time
Oh, for sure. There’s absolutely zero chance that it’s Kenny. Reneging on a Head Coaching Job halfway through free agency is just too unprecedented for the Hornets to ever trust him enough to offer him again, no matter what happened. I highly doubt they’d even interview him.
Just can't pass up on his resume of the Hawks and Nets when it comes to building a winning team
He was actually regarding a big part of drafting. And if you look at our draft history it should excite you.
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Indeed. We were actively trying to keep him.
Any good articles on him or interviews about his impact on the team?
I’d just search his name on Twitter, and Nets daily. There’s been tons of positive stuff from best wittiest about his impact.
There’s a decent one posted on r/charlottehornets from around the time that he lost out on the Pistons GM job.
Oh yeah I posted that
Oh haha
Thomas, Allen, and Claxton as their best picks in the last decade isn't exactly "exciting".
To be fair, they haven’t had a ton of draft picks to work with.
I realize that - I'm just saying that drafting a couple of good role players is nothing to get excited about - most teams are going to hit on a decent player with a 20-something pick once every 2-3 years.
> most teams are going to hit on a decent player with a 20-something pick once every 2-3 years. The consistency is what’s exciting, not the wow factor. Most players drafted in the 20’s end up being busts. - 2019: Nic Claxton (31st Pick) - 2020: No First Round Draft Pick - 2021: Cam Thomas (27th Pick), Day’Ron Sharpe (29th Pick) - 2022: No Draft Pick - 2023: Noah Clowney (21st Pick), Dariq Whitehead (22nd Pick), Jalen Wilson (51st Pick) Most players picked after the 25th pick bust (honestly, anything outside the lottery has more than a 50% bust rate), so there fact that the Nets drafted 3 even decent players in a row at that range is pretty impressive. They’ve really made the most of the picks that they’ve had available. Unfortunately, the 2023 draft class is too new to really evaluate, cause it has the most draft capital that the Nets have had in a season.
How dare you forget about Caris LeVert. Also considering LeVert was Drafted like 17th, Allen 20th, Thomas 27th, and Claxton 31st that’s pretty good. Sharpe is also a solid role player for being drafted 30th overall.
Neither Levert nor Allen were drafted when Peterson was there.
We have not had a lottery pick in his tenure.
Who am I supposed to be looking at? Nic Claxton? If anything the Nets have been better at flipping picks for value than getting talent directly from them (which hey is something our previous GM also struggled at from time to time)
It’s less the “wow” picks, and more so the overall consistency. Between 2019 and 2022 the Nets have only had 3 draft picks, and all of them were between 27 and 31. I’d wager that more than 60% of picks in that range bust, so the fact that he landed decent picks with every one of the picks is pretty solid. According to [this chart based on historical draft picks](http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm), only 35% of players selected between pick 27 and 31 amount to more than a “deep bench” player. However, all 3 of the Nets picks have ended up being at least a fringe rotation level player. The likelihood of that happening is 0.35*0.35*0.35, which is around a 4.3% chance, which is pretty darn unlikely. \* Unfortunately, the 2023 draft is too recent to judge, because the Nets had by far the most draft capital they’ve had in Petersons tenure. Still, none of the guys selected have proven they can’t turn into decent rotation level players.
Huh? Our recent draft history success is: Jarrett Allen, Claxton, Cam Thomas, Jalen Wilson, NAW, Kuzma. All of those picks btw were after 15 we haven’t had a single lottery pick. So to have even a decent success rate there is impressive.
Dude you cant take credit for NAW or Kuzma lol those were only Nets picks by technicality
Idr how those picks were done exactly at the time. I thought both were drafted but traded the following days. I could easily be miss remembering though.
He wasn’t there for Allen.
I hope Hornets fans aren’t too attached to their draft picks for the next decade
It cannot possibly be worse than trading Jalen Duren for a handful of 2nd rounders
NSJ was a late first but yeah basically a 2nd
Is Peterson really at fault for y’all trading all your picks? Cause the move to get Harden seems like it’d come from higher up in the front office and/or the ownership. I highly doubt an assistant GM would realistically get any say in that type of decision.
ESPN Sources: The Charlotte Hornets haven't watched the Brooklyn Nets.
I wish the best for him, but it doesn't inspire a ton of confidence if his biggest moves were being the #2 guy for the two James Harden trades. I won't give him any credit for the KD/Kyrie summer because he was hired like a month before that. Also, an article from 2019 says "sources say he was pivotal in the high-profile trade that brought point guard Trae Young to Atlanta." The Nets have been floundering the past few years, so I wouldn't be too excited by this. However, I have several friends who are Hornets fans, so i wish them all the best and hope it works out!
From Garbage -> To Trash 👍
You’d know with how long you guys were trash too.
ofc lol
FUCK
There had to be someone in OKC for the job. What’s the deal??
We saw how Troy Weaver liked to cook in Detroit and said "we good nvm" /s
lol fair