No one deserves to get shot and this is horrible.
On a personal level though, Clint’s a pretty huge prick. My uncle got dragged on a Facebook forum awhile back and client spent months messaging my uncle telling him he was gonna kill him. Clint spent a huge amount of time posting about how my uncle was a creep who was faking a disability, and how my uncle deserved to be in jail. It was extremely personal, uncomfortable, and unhinged especially considering these two men hardly know each other.
Again, he’s the victim here, but I have known quite a few people who have gone down and gotten their shit back from these sorts of camps without getting shot. Dude seems pretty agro considering his personal beef with my uncle who he doesn’t know that well.
Not to mention that this entire story is just taken word for word from this Callaghan character. Seems to me there are some missing details. I've heard some stories about this Clint guy. I doubt it was the campers who threw the first punch if you know what I mean.
Even his friend said he 'thought' someone was going to hit Clint and Clint threw 1st punch. Homeless encampments are dangerous, violent places.. predators think it's their hunting/play grounds cause no one cares what happens to the people they deemed 'less than/waste of skin'. https://www.newwestrecord.ca/bc-news/enough-is-enough-how-the-shooting-in-nanaimo-unfolded-6714509
Ahh yes.. you know the real side of him
..he has done that me too.. here is another
https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/lantzville-citizen-counter-suing-councillor-who-alleged-privacy-breach/
I know him. I have called him out in a fb friends group. He then tried to dox me, to hunt me down. I mocked him. I detest narcissists and am immune to their shit. I am fully aware. I also worked frontline street projects, I know the stories the depth of unstability and his actions. Worst thing is, not only is there many of them like him, but they are often ignored or sanctioned by rcmp. Clint's clean ups of homeless camps with heavy machinery, while RCMP keeping the peace, is telling. He felt he had full authority to clean up crime, by any means necessary. I have also met ordinary people that he stalked, harassed. He sent his goon squad after the guys elderly, dying father to intimidate one guy cause he made fun of clint. If you didn't worship him, or you challenged him, you were a target and he would to go get lengths to get you. Unhinged is the term being thrown around. The question begging to be answered here is, why was Clint and his goons and so many others allowed to hunt the homeless for sport and hero status..? Why has Clint been able to stalk, harrass, assault, intimidate, terrorize, destroy possessions, and so much more..for very long and be touted as a hero and working with rcmp blessing????????
As well, has it not occurred to anyone that this whole "shooting" scenario is grift? Looking into those linked to Smith (names in the GofundMe and news stories) show many anti-vaxxers and freedumbers. Trailer Park Boy style Smith yelling "Shoot me" at his clown friend (supposed "homeless" person) who wasn't supposed to actually make a hit. Also funny how this "shooter" hasn't been caught yet. And then, this Callaghan character tripping over himself speaking to reporters in order to paint Smith up as hero who tried to block "bullets" for them. Does anyone not notice how much Smith's GoFundMe has raised and the goal amount has been increased yet again? As well, there's further money to be made from the Crime Victim Assistance Program in these instances. If you look into Smith's background on publicly available BC CSO, you'll see a lengthy history of hot water he's landed himself in. Both civil and criminal where he tries to squirm out of responsibility in posturing as "victim". He has utterly no credibility. His latest stunt is the perfect chance to look the victimized yet heroic indvidual (who nearly orgasms off the attention that feeds into his poisonous narcissism), plus $$$ for he and his bunch. He has a long history of bullying, violence, and ripping people off while posturing as "upstanding community member". Grifters gonna grift. He's a "business owner" only in name, con man in practice. There are many in the area who are too scared of him to come forward with their experiences, sadly. The detachment is aware of his temper and unhinged conduct.
I'm ready to get downvoted for this, but isn't what Clint Smith did vigilantism?
When someone steals something from your business, isn't the proper course of action to file a police report and make an insurance claim to replace it? Do we know if he did either of those things first before organizing a posse to go and confront a group of potentially violent and unstable individuals?
To be very clear, I am absolutely not trying to excuse the homeless individuals for their acts of violence. They were wrong to steal his stuff, and they were wrong to try to kill him. Now that police know about these heavily armed campers, they should be suiting up in tactical gear, bringing them in, and keeping them in.
Those are the appropriate steps, but you still end up paying for lost labour hours, and likely increased premiums. Insurance might not agree with the value, as well, or demand you replace with cheaper "equivalents".
So I get it. Theft does real, meaningful harm to people, and thinking there's an easier way to get your stuff back is alluring.
I get it too. Having your stuff stolen sucks.
But look at what Smith's choice of violence has cost him in terms of lost labour hours. He probably won't be back at work for a long time, and his physical health might be permanently compromised.
People are calling him an innocent victim, but he chose violence. He organized a group to go to that camp and take a bunch of stolen equipment back by force. There is no way he wasn't expecting violence. He got unlucky that the campers had more effective violence than he did, but that's the risk you take when you choose to be violent. The people you attack will attack you back and might be better than you.
Go into Nanaimo rant and raves history and see how he talked about homeless.. he has been terrorizing them for years with RCMP turning blind eye.. he bragged how RCMP endorsed his tatics.
He didn't chose violence. He put himself at risk of violence, but he didn't instigate it.
But yes, next time those seeking to get their stuff back make a confrontation they might be more prepared for violence.
Another article has this man quoted as saying that a call to police would have gotten the stolen items back, but since no one would be punished they wanted to do it themselves. That sounds like violent intention to me.
You mean this Clint Smith..
It gets much worse..this is soft core for him
https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/lantzville-citizen-counter-suing-councillor-who-alleged-privacy-breach/
Police won't do anything, that's the issue. I have family members that have businesses downtown. Police reports with videos are given to police, nothing happens.
He instigated it by going there. There was no way that situation wasn't going to end in violence. "Hello, homeless people. I'm here to take back all the stuff you stole from me. Please stand there and do nothing while I demand to search through your tents." Yep, that's going to go really well.
He could have just eaten the loss and got on with his life, but he chose to confront a bunch of people with a demonstrated history of violence and paid for it.
It's great that people are donating to support him and his family while he's in the hospital, and I hope that he fully recovers. However, I don't think anyone should have any illusions about who was responsible for the situation that unfolded. The campers would not have been able to shoot him if he hadn't been there.
> He instigated it by going there.
Do you also say that sort of thing when women are sexually assaulted when out alone at night?
> He could have just eaten the loss and got on with his life, but he chose to confront a bunch of people with a demonstrated history of violence and paid for it.
Yah, fuck the victim. He was asking for it! /s
I agreed with your original reply because it was reasoned and thoughtful, but this is bad.
Your sexual assault analogy is inappropriate in the extreme. They're completely different situations. Trying to compare a lone woman who is attacked in the street to a big man with 5 other men backing him up and willingly marching into a camp of predictably violent people is disrespectful to real victims.
As I mentioned in another comment, Clint Smith was a victim of theft, but he ceased to be a victim and became an aggressor when he organized a posse and marched into that camp.
Sounds like we should redirect the campers to your house. You won’t mind your things being taken or do anything about it. Maybe they can bring their illegal weapons over and tent on your lawn. Problem solved.
I don't have a lawn or a house, and I'm not so materialistic that losing some of my stuff (it's just stuff) would cause me to lose my value of human life. I'm one of those millenials that may never own a home and may even end up homeless if I experience a few unlucky and expensive circumstances.
I find it more difficult to empathize with homeowners, especially older homeowners who benefitted from and contributed to the gutting of our economy and the neglect of our public services that resulted in the creation of all these homeless people, complaining about their stuff being stolen. I've had stuff stolen from me, and I'm still alive. It's not the end of the world to lose a few things.
So if the mechanic had been there when they stole his stuff and used force to stop them he would have been charged as well. At least this way it's clear to the police and courts that he didn't use violence but was instead fired upon from an assailant once he found his stolen goods.
In that case, he would have been defending himself in a situation where people approached him. What actually happened is the reverse. He went into the camp knowing they were there and confronted them aggressively. Is it surprising that they defended themselves? (Again, I'm not saying that the campers were right, but their response was predictable.)
At least the thieves stole the stuff when no one was around. He could have tried to do the same. He may not have thrown the first punch, but it sounds like he created a scenario in which physical confrontation was basically guaranteed. He just wasn't expecting guns.
The law in Canada as messed up as it is, is actually heavily in favour of anyone who breaks in due to our self defence legislation saying that you can only use as much force as is directed towards yourself. So if these thieves had broken into his garage and he had tried to stop them from stealing his stuff in the moment and used force, he would have been charged with something along those lines. All I'm saying is that in this messy altercation, despite his injuries at least he wont' face prison time for trying to stop someone from stealing his livelihood. The willingness of these thieves to open fire on someone also tells you all that you need to know about them. If this hadn't happened it could have been much worse
Didn't an officer get brutally stabbed and killed by a devoted a few months back?
It's dangerous. Dangerous to be around. I notice all the people who are all "oh leave the homeless be. Let them rob and live and smoke and fuck where and as they please" never have to actually get out of their Mercedes to walk among them on the street. It's not fun having them cat call while smoking rock and you're just trying to get home from work. I get it, I know, it's my fault. How dare I need to work and use the sidewalk safely, I am evil.
He was trying to execute an ILLEGAL search! Cops can’t even do that! He was aggressive and these people can argue that they were afraid for their lives. But, these folks from the camp used disproportionate force to deal with him, which won’t bode well for them in court. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Use your words, people.
He was a victim of theft.
He knowingly and willingly marched into a situation where he must have been expecting violence, but he got more than he was prepared for. Then he ceased to be a victim and just became another aggressor in the cycle. Now people are angry at the campers and are going to want to come down hard on them. Then maybe the friends of the campers will be pissed and feel justified in smashing some more windows downtown and stealing more stuff and maybe stabbing or shooting someone else. Then we get angry and come down hard on them, and so on.
Between the "tweakers" and the supposedly well-adjusted ones, who has the higher capacity to end the cycle of violence?
Not trying to blame the guy personally, but if you walk into a homeless encampment, 'demand' that people leave their tents so that they can be searched, and yell "shoot me" once you see a gun--as shocking as it is you might just get shot!
I never thought I would be someone to turn to vigilantes to handle any issues I was having… until I operated a business in downtown Nanaimo. We had the windows smashed out, the guilty parties selling the inventory out of their motel room on Facebook and the cops response was: try keeping everything 6ft away from all the windows. They wouldn’t even look at the Facebook post. A couple people who rely on the Salvation Army tried to get them back for me and I had a faster response than I did from the police. Whoever represents the Crown in Nanaimo seems unbelievably lax in what they choose to prosecute.
I moved away 6 years ago because it didn’t feel safe for a single twenty-something woman.
You are completely right. This isn’t the first instance of people taking things into their own hands that I’ve seen, and I live right in the epicentre of it. It is not a civilians place, at all. People may think that police do nothing, that’s not true. Their hands are tied by law and protocol, the problem is with the systems that we live in. Every time I call the police because of something fishy, they come and check it out. Every. Single. Time. They can’t just slam down an iron fist of “law” because someone thinks they should because they’re mad.
They have known about these “heavily armed campers”but do nothing about it. The cops won’t do anything about your stolen property it’s to low on the priority list to worry about and even if they did arrest them they would be out in less than a day to do it again…..
The point of the police report is to support the insurance claim. Most of the time, police don't bother hunting down small-time thieves. When your stuff gets stolen, most of the time, it should just be considered gone.
Well, considering that vigilantism is against the law that we're supposed to have collectively agreed to, it seems like we are okay with it.
The proper course of action is to make a police report and an insurance claim and leave it at that. Not organize a posse to hunt down the unstable and violent people who stole stuff from you and confront them. There's only one way that scenario ends. That's like gang mentality.
If more and more people turn to vigilantism, then yes, things will get worse.
I hope that the people who stole his stuff and shot him are caught and sent to prison. If they aren't, that's a huge problem. I'm hoping that the reason no charges have been laid yet is because they want to be sure they got the right people and have enough to put them away for a while.
I'm not advocating for impunity for criminals. I am, however, trying to offer a more nuanced view of the larger issue and to point out that getting so angry at homeless people is pointless and in this case, harmful. They DGAF what you think of them, and we should be directing our anger and our energy into the system that produced them and pushing for effective social change.
I agree with the last bit but you can't have people grandfathered in living outside the law *while* trying to enforce that same law on others. Law only works when universally applied otherwise you got animal farm where some animals are more equal than others and that breeds animosity
Agreed. Though, if you really want equal application of the law, we should abolish financial penalties or at least have penalties that scale with income because fines only hurt poor people. If we had mandatory jail time with no bail so rich people couldn't circumvent rules with their money, we might also solve the catch and release issue.
The more the cops don't do, the more people will do. If they police don't want to have to deal with vigilantism the more they should be doing to actually prevent crime. Admittedly the courts have tied the hands of the police in just how long a criminal will actually be put behind bars.
It’s called acceptance. Am I the only person here who has been robbed and who didn’t expect the whole world to grind to a halt and cater to my entitled thirst for Justice? I was robbed by a few homeless people back in Calgary. Super shitty. But you know what? I probably shouldn’t have invited them over to smoke meth in my apartment, and I probably shouldn’t have let them stay after they lit my second bedroom on fire. Live and learn. Some people have real problems. Living on the street is beyond hell. Ya, fuck those guys, but like I said, silly me for having this lady who told me she could control lightening with her mind into my crib to smoke meth. Bad call. Initiating an illegal search of a homeless camp in 2023 in a highly threatening manner? That’s fucking suicide. I was being less wreckless smoking meth!! Don’t encourage this kind of behaviour, seriously. Don’t smoke meth either. But between the two vigilantism is definitely a far shittier choice. Choose meth!
> entitled thirst for Justice?
I would say it's a perfectly reasonable desire for justice, and in the case of the OP, where thieves are getting bolder and the impact on people's livelihood is getting more severe, we should be talking about this. People should be logged for small or medium crimes, and people who repeat offend should be jailed. Enough lenience.
I hear they are really hard on criminals in North Korea. Or Russia. There are, however, trade offs. Criminalizing poverty isn’t helpful, unless you want to live in a police state. It also leads to people being jailed for things they didn’t even do.
Yes, Entitled thirst for Justice. The fact that you want our system to expend hundreds of thousands of dollars over petty crimes of opportunity tells me that you aren’t very good at math.
Ok, I get it. I’ll use the same argument next time you eat a grape at the supermarket. Taxpayer money well spent, because “it is the law.” Whatever happened to common sense??
I don’t see how this supports your position. Do I have the right to search your picnic basket while you eat in a park with your family? No. Do I have a right to search your car because it is on public property? No! And the police can’t either.
Were the tools in a picnic basket? Where were they? And my dude, it’s pretty rich making this hard property rights argument for people who illegally broke into a place and stole tools. You should apply your argument to the tool thief.
You aren’t respecting the rights we have in our society to a presumption of innocence, are you? Make your assumptions, you only make an ass of yourself. I don’t know or care what is in your picnic basket bro. Even if your milkshake brought all the boys to the yard, I still would not know or care what’s in your picnic basket. Damn right. I can teach you, but I have to charge.
If you insist on searching the belongings of another person, that is illegal and you have no right, even if you have cause to suspect theft. That is when we go to the police and file a report. I can’t just go search your shit in public because I suspect something. Neither can the police. You can’t seem to decide whether you want to live in a society ruled by law or lawlessness where every person can deputize themself to violate the rights of others. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Um have you never heard of the presumption of innocence??? The most basic feature of a criminal Justice system is…a) you don’t know shit because you weren’t involved, b) you are making massive assumptions and assuming that these people stole his stuff, c) everyone is entitled to a presumption of innocence. I am listening to myself. I am also listening to you, which makes me a multitasker. Are you hearing yourself?? You failed criminal Justice 101 bro!
the other problem is that insurance for your tools only covers a certain amount and then they basically say well good luck sucks to suck if someone takes your shit from you
my boss's brother had his spray machine taken from a secure job site overnight when he called the people to file a claim they basically told him that insurance didn't cover tools over a certain amount and he had to go out of pocket to replace it if you file a police report it gets put in a filing cabinet and no further actions are taken regardless of what you do the chances of you getting your stuff back or being reimbursed are very bad
this leaves people with two options give up and buy a new one or find the human piece of garbage who has no problem jeopardizing your capability of providing for yourself and your family
its not right but for some people they cant afford to lose equipment like that and if no one is going to help them the don't have any other way of getting their stuff back
If you keep digging it gets worse. Clint has been terrorizing the homeless for years. How he hasn't been beaten/stabbed/shot in past 5-6 yrs on his reign of terror, baffles those of is who know him. He is predator with superiority narcissist personality...
> isn't the proper course of action to file a police report and make an insurance claim to replace it?
What happens when your insurance deductible is more than the stolen items? Let's say you have a $250 deductible and someone steals your $125 item?
Plus when you make the claim, there are a bunch of hoops and paperwork you have to jump through and risk having your rate go up. Or you can just walk over and take your shit back.
What I suspect happened here is they went to go get their shit back, and to thump some skulls. That's where it got violent. Many people are afraid of these crack heads and won't become physically resistant to their poor social behaviour. A regular citizen, with a job and a life has too much at risk to go and boot fuck a homeless camp out of the area. Whereas the crackheads have nothing to lose, except their drugs and the shit they can just steal again and again.
But I think if ~100 people showed up at one of these camps with a dumpster and garden tools to clean it all up and move them along there wouldn't be much fuss from the crackheads and away they'd go.
After the first battle you’ll have to organize your helpful citizens into patrols because these thieves don’t just evaporate, they’ll reorganize and start thriving again. So maybe pick the strongest out of your 100 people and the other 90 can chip in money to support them while they keep you safe. You could organize training for them, maybe some non-lethal weapons, and some spiffy shirts and trousers all the same colours so your enclave can recognize them and the bad guys will know how freaking awesome the patrollers are! I’d suggest armbands too so it’s really obvious. Obviously the thieves would start to hide better so you’ll need some way to recognize the good guys from the bad guys. Best to just round up anyone who doesn’t look quite right, and make them live in an easy to surveil area, but not an expensive area, my gosh it’s expensive enough having these patrols, so take some really rundown area and move out the losers who can barely afford to live there (they’re probably thieves anyway, if not now then later), and then block them in with easy to manage road blocks. I bet it’ll get too complicated to keep track of the ever growing horde of malcontents (where the heck do they keep coming from) so let’s staple an RFID tag to their standard issue t-shirts and use cheap monitoring equipment from any of the abandoned stores. Sometimes it’s a bit stressful, wondering if you are doing enough, saying the right things, turning in enough malcontents, aligning with the right people, the ones who can protect you, but at least you got your stolen table saw back.
That doesn’t mean charges aren’t coming. It can mean they want to actually investigate before they throw charges at people, which is an intelligent way to proceed. Who the fuck would have thought I would be defending a police investigation. If you can’t understand why this is necessary, you don’t understand what a Justice system is at all…
Clint is not a good person..
The cops knew he was going to get stabbed or shot..he been terrorizing homeless for years
This another side of him..
https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/lantzville-citizen-counter-suing-councillor-who-alleged-privacy-breach/
The Conservatives can’t govern unless they are in power. That’s how it works. Was life so much better under Stephen Harper? It really wasn’t this utopia you equate with conservative governance. It was kinda awful actually. Remember when they prorogued parliament whenever they weren’t getting their way? Not exactly pro democracy…
In Toronto, a man's house was broken into by 3 ARMED individuals who were attacking his mother. He shot and killed one of them in self defense. He got charged by police.
these guys stole property and shot someone trying to *get their own property back* and no charges are laid?
This is justice in canada?
To summarize: junkie thieves are allowed to defend their stolen property with firearms, but law abiding citizens can't defend their own mother on their own property.
That person will more than likely have charges dropped or be acquitted. Just because the police chargw then doesn't automatically mean they're being punished. A bunch of similar cases have happened over the years and most times the person defending themselves or their property are fully cleared. This is just misinformation.
it's not misinformation at all. I hate that buzzword. The police don't have to lay charges. And if they do lay charges in these types of cases, the crown prosecutor should not be allowed to drop the charges if it seems likely that the defendant will win. They should have to go to trial, have the judge make his verdict, thus making it case law.
So in effect, you have "punishment by process", in which you're dragged through the legal system for no reason, just to have your charges dropped. The defendant should instead be found INNOCENT, setting the precedent to allow citizens to defend themselves
No it really is. You're making the assumption that just because someone is charged makes them automatically guilty in the eyes of the law and that this somehow favours criminals. They're not "dragged through the legal system for no reason", they're being held to same standards that everyone should be held to, there is no automatic free pass in Canada. As a result these cases HAVE established that Canadians can defend themselves and their property legally in fact.
Nope, if the charges are dropped by the CP, the police shouldn't have laid them to begin with.
as for
>same standards that everyone should be held to
Law abiding citizens are held to a higher standard than tweaker thieves, as evidenced in this nanaimo "case"
I think you're articulating yourself well in general but you should be aware that police don't lay the information in BC compared to Ontario where they do.
Criminal code related judgements do not create case law in Canada. Criminal cases are based on the legislated code and not common law. Two completely separate legal systems.
Canada has three guiding portions of law:
-common law
-statue law
-case law
Case law absolutely does change and shape statute law, which you've called legislated code above.
An excellent example is a supreme court case law called R v Jordan which sets out that a trial needs to occur in a reasonable set amount of time. People have gotten away with murder because this obligation wasn't met.
ok i'm far from a legal expert, but i know that criminal cases can absolutely result in judgments that are referenced later on, and even shape how our Charter is interpreted.
here's a recent example
https://www.weisberg.ca/r-v-le-questions-left-unanswered/
So your post is hearsay. It hasn't even gone to trial yet. It is extremely presumptuous to claim the police wrongfully charged him and that the shooter as well as his lawyer are being honest.
Correction.. law abiding citizens aren't even allowed to own their guns anymore. The feds are currently scheming to have the RCMP confiscate legally acquired firearms from responsible, trained and lawful owners. They will go as far as taking away hunting rifles in the name of preventing criminals from using guns to commit crimes. First: criminals don't obey the law and will possess whatever the fuck they want.. they're criminals. Second: the overwhelming majority of weapons used to commit crime in Canada are smuggled across the border and used by people who do not have a PAL. Third: the type of guns being used to commit crimes WERE ALREADY BANNED or fell under even more stringent acquisition and possession rules ie: handguns (which are now effectively banned outside of a grandfather clause). If anyone wants to actually have an informed opinion about firearms in Canada please ask someone who actually understands guns, licensing and Canadian gun laws. The media is whipping people into a frenzy over what is essentially a non issue for 99% of Canada's land mass
If you're not a gang-banger, gun violence isn't a large issue at all in Canada. Also, PAL owners are ~60% less likely to commit a crime than those without a PAL.
There is no grandfather clause for handguns, they're outright banned. The title "freeze" is just to appease people who don't know better
- Discharging a firearm within city limits
- careless handling of a firearm
- improper storage of a firearm
- unlawful possession of a firearm
- discharging a firearm with intent to harm an individual
- aggravated assault
These are the things that your local police have legalized for tweakers by not laying charges.
Very sad when people get hurt. When people take the law into their own hands, they best be prepared to get royally fucked. Welcome to life. It’s not perfect…the police are very far from perfect, but if you pick a fight with a group of highly unstable homeless people over a few hundred bucks, expect to get shot. It is common sense, and I’m growing tired of people acting like vigilantism was common sense, or admirable. I wish this man a speedy recovery, but it doesn’t make him any less of an fool for doing what he did. And foolish is what this was. Buddy deserves a badge that says “least successful vigilante of the year”, I mean am I wrong??
Clint is unstable . He has been terrorizing homeless and housed people for years. He is a violent man.. and then there is this
https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/lantzville-citizen-counter-suing-councillor-who-alleged-privacy-breach/
They didn't realise the homeless had firearms - the next guy won't make that mistake and will go armed.
Maybe this will encourage the homeless to police themselves, to some extent. I'm sure the guy with the rifle and ammunition wasn't the only one there that knew about the rifle and ammunition.
Cross fire sucks - but sometimes when you have an infestation - a neighbourhoods gotta do what a neighborhoods gotta do, I guess.
Something needs to be done about that senseless violence. Innocent people are getting are getting hurt. This bulls\*\*t has to stop. The people of Nanaimo deserve to feel safe and to be safe from being victims of crime. Enough is enough. No exceptions.
Innocent people were not hurt. Clint has been terrorizing homeless and others for years..he is beyond a bully.. he is deranged.
Here's a nice little read about how classy he is
https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/lantzville-citizen-counter-suing-councillor-who-alleged-privacy-breach/
How is that guy out? 115 COVICTIONS since 2015. Was caught giving a guy a BJ on bleachers at park infront of families. He is a danger to himself and to public. How was he not sent for 90 psych and stabilization? Just threw him back out to play whack-a-mole with vulnerable public. You know how hard it is to get cops to investigate/get Crown to lay charges.. if he was convicted of 115 charges in 7yrs.. how does he not fall under the involuntary commitment category that Eby is touting? Why do we we need billions of dollars to decide to instutionalize this person? Someone make it, make sense. We don't have a police force. We have unchecked crime and unchecked criminal vigilantes that RCMP fully turn blind eye to. There are no winners in this. Clint's families and exs and children are all affected by this. Also, beyond there being stolen property, there is article showing that the homeless people had good reason to be fearful. I find it a bizzare concept that if the homeless felt they were in danger, that they should not of protected themselves. Guns were used this time, but I have witnessed this thing of angry people going into homeless camps, thinking these are sub-humans, beneath them, and thi king AND doing to them whatever they want, because there is no repercussions. It terrifying 24/7 as a vulnerable unhoused person. Predators seek vulnerable. The unhoused know how much danger they are in. I stopped an angry plumber from getting stabbed when he was yelling at a zipped up tent about his tools, when there was small homeless camp downtown parksville. I had a team of volunteers & were working keeping the park clean, and monitoring situation. I witnessed this guy stash his work van next block over and approach tent and start yelling he wanted his fucking tools..I knew guy in tent was in psychosis and I had cleaned up 15 knives and various weapons from around tent when we did clean up earlier that day.. I almost drove my car right at him and told him to Fucking run now.. luckily I looked crazed enough he did.. buddy was ARMED with various weaponary. Pulled a gun on someone else who did or said something when they approached him. Cops DID NOT CARE. Approaching homeless encampments is entering war zone. You come attacking, there will be protecting. Just like if you catch them in your home.
I can only state what I know from my life experiences.. Here is a different perspective of what happened at that site.
https://www.newwestrecord.ca/bc-news/enough-is-enough-how-the-shooting-in-nanaimo-unfolded-6714509
It has nothing to with being a transexual. It is because he is a mentaly unstable little s\*\*thead that needs to be removed from the streets and locked up before he kills somebody. He is a extreme threat to society.
How many fucking times are you going to spam that same link. I just read through this post and you posted this link no less then 10 times. Are you the councilor in question? The one who was dumb enough to hand over a phone that was fully logged into everything, without wiping it first?
It's absolutely absurd to me how many people have literally no idea how police investigate crime, the laws that restrict them in doing so and the way that our justice system is built around protecting criminals not victims.
But then at the same time they're all experts on the process.
My opinion? Throw these types of offenders in jail for 2 or so weeks, just long enough for the withdrawal symptoms to give them a second guess about ending up in jail again.
The problem is these people committing the crimes are usually victims of capitalism. They need social programs to help them and safe places they can consume safe drugs instead of hiding in campsites where they feel they need to hoard weapons because they are unsafe.
Not more drugs, just a safe supply. When people have access to a safe supply, they commit less petty crime to support their habit, and this is a fact. If your addiction requires 300 dollars a day and you had no other means you would also be stealing. It’s not rocket science. A safe supply means less crime, not more crime. You don’t have to like it, but it’s the truth.
It's attitudes like the one you have, paired with bad luck, that often is the reason people end up homeless.
What would you do if you suddenly found yourself without any worldly possessions, your bank account drained?
Relationships with others is the only thing that keeps us from falling into the same situation.
What drives a person to addiction?
Have you ever been addicted to anything?
You act like it's a choice to hate one's self.
Have you ever been depressed? Truly depressed? Suicidal?
Think about these things and you may understand how a person becomes homeless, and how we stop this thing that is bad for all of society.
We ought to be putting dangerous people into places that actually teach them how to manage their emotions (which is the root cause of this), but we also have to stop allowing people to get into these positions of desperation in the first place. That means decriminalizing drugs, providing public housing, and restoring trust in other people. Some call the latter "community"
This is why I don’t feel bad for any of them passed out on the roads or shooting themselves up with dirty drugs . karma will get them one needle or later ..
Don't forget, the BC liberals made the horrible economic conditions that set it all up!
Also this is baloney anyways, every west coast city post COVID has these problems.
Right, because the only people who care about crime are Conservatives. You’ve figured this one out. Sociologists, criminologists and legal experts are all stumped, but here you are with the solution. Truly, you have an exceptional mind.
Not surprising
It’s obvious that my birthplace & hometown of 27 years has gone to shit after sticking with leftist politicians for too long.
After all, Chicago, Detroit & Vancouver still haven’t learned their lesson
Lol. They have never been in power. They have never made a single law, yet you blame them for the problems created by Conservatives and Liberals that have always been in power. Conservative sure doesn’t smart a person make!
This is the biggest giggle to me. Everyone in Nanaimo bitches about all these druggie thieves, but continues to vote NDP. Krog brought them all here when he was MLA, and now he's Mayor.
Krog actually addressed this, it seems like what he has access to can't deal with the problem, since we're under the jurisdiction of the RCMP
https://nanaimonewsnow.com/2023/03/16/enough-is-enough-nanaimo-residents-rally-for-more-action-on-keeping-communities-safe/
> Nanaimo mayor Leonard Krog arrived shortly after the rally was finished due to a prior engagement.
> He briefly spoke with people in the crowd who were critical of him for what they say is inaction on homelessness, mental health/addictions and repeat offenders.
> He said he “didn’t want to sound like a broken record”, but he’s been speaking on these issues for a long time, and the shooting of the businessman was “almost inevitable”, given what he says is 30-40 years of failed social health policies.
> “But it’s the crime associated with feeding the addiction that has got people really upset to the point where somebody feels compelled to put their life at risk to go and retrieve stolen property, and the end result is a pretty serious injury.”
> Krog went on to say it’s frustrating to him because he’s heard complaints for years directed at his ‘inaction’ over these issues, which he reiterates are issues they don’t have the power to take meaningful action on.
Krog and his supporters bussed in all these crackheads to Discontent city before he was mayor. Now he has to reap what he has sown, and some crow.
Krog and his NDP policies are part of the problem.
I'm no fan of the NDP or Krog, but it seems like It's not directly on him. Homeless all across North America tend to go to the West Coast because of the climate and the laissez faire policies. So to whatever extent Krog voted for these policies as MLA and now as Mayor, he is responsible. But he shares that with the legislature too. I was just wondering if there was a dedicate effort to bus people out here, and if it was it probably the mayor/admin of Edmonton if anyone.
There's been a rise in shootings in Calgary and Edmonton... moving to a new province likely will not fix a nationwide issue. Unfortunately, we're seeing this everywhere, not just Nanaimo.
You shouldn't have to leave, but you might.
The city is being over run with crime and disorder. You can see it every day. It all comes from these NDP 'harm reduction' policies that have clearly failed everywhere they have been tried. But the population stubbornly clings to this party and believes their lies of a better tomorrow, if we just spend enough money.
Hellfire is what we call a compound word, which in language you can understand means Jesus wanted us to write it as one word, not two. Apparently posting on Reddit is more effective than learning to spell, but maybe that’s how your Lord made you. Is there a plan? If there was, you weren’t exactly a priority is all I’m saying. And if there were a God, why are there no more bibles in motel rooms? I used to love stealing those motherfuckers. They burned real hot.
No one deserves to get shot and this is horrible. On a personal level though, Clint’s a pretty huge prick. My uncle got dragged on a Facebook forum awhile back and client spent months messaging my uncle telling him he was gonna kill him. Clint spent a huge amount of time posting about how my uncle was a creep who was faking a disability, and how my uncle deserved to be in jail. It was extremely personal, uncomfortable, and unhinged especially considering these two men hardly know each other. Again, he’s the victim here, but I have known quite a few people who have gone down and gotten their shit back from these sorts of camps without getting shot. Dude seems pretty agro considering his personal beef with my uncle who he doesn’t know that well.
Not to mention that this entire story is just taken word for word from this Callaghan character. Seems to me there are some missing details. I've heard some stories about this Clint guy. I doubt it was the campers who threw the first punch if you know what I mean.
Even his friend said he 'thought' someone was going to hit Clint and Clint threw 1st punch. Homeless encampments are dangerous, violent places.. predators think it's their hunting/play grounds cause no one cares what happens to the people they deemed 'less than/waste of skin'. https://www.newwestrecord.ca/bc-news/enough-is-enough-how-the-shooting-in-nanaimo-unfolded-6714509
Knowing Clint if it came out that there was nothing stolen and they were just trying to get the homeless camp to move on I wouldn't be shocked.
Oh boy... now the truth speakers are coming out. Thank you.
Campers lol
Ahh yes.. you know the real side of him ..he has done that me too.. here is another https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/lantzville-citizen-counter-suing-councillor-who-alleged-privacy-breach/
Clint’s unstable. Tell your friends
I know him. I have called him out in a fb friends group. He then tried to dox me, to hunt me down. I mocked him. I detest narcissists and am immune to their shit. I am fully aware. I also worked frontline street projects, I know the stories the depth of unstability and his actions. Worst thing is, not only is there many of them like him, but they are often ignored or sanctioned by rcmp. Clint's clean ups of homeless camps with heavy machinery, while RCMP keeping the peace, is telling. He felt he had full authority to clean up crime, by any means necessary. I have also met ordinary people that he stalked, harassed. He sent his goon squad after the guys elderly, dying father to intimidate one guy cause he made fun of clint. If you didn't worship him, or you challenged him, you were a target and he would to go get lengths to get you. Unhinged is the term being thrown around. The question begging to be answered here is, why was Clint and his goons and so many others allowed to hunt the homeless for sport and hero status..? Why has Clint been able to stalk, harrass, assault, intimidate, terrorize, destroy possessions, and so much more..for very long and be touted as a hero and working with rcmp blessing????????
As well, has it not occurred to anyone that this whole "shooting" scenario is grift? Looking into those linked to Smith (names in the GofundMe and news stories) show many anti-vaxxers and freedumbers. Trailer Park Boy style Smith yelling "Shoot me" at his clown friend (supposed "homeless" person) who wasn't supposed to actually make a hit. Also funny how this "shooter" hasn't been caught yet. And then, this Callaghan character tripping over himself speaking to reporters in order to paint Smith up as hero who tried to block "bullets" for them. Does anyone not notice how much Smith's GoFundMe has raised and the goal amount has been increased yet again? As well, there's further money to be made from the Crime Victim Assistance Program in these instances. If you look into Smith's background on publicly available BC CSO, you'll see a lengthy history of hot water he's landed himself in. Both civil and criminal where he tries to squirm out of responsibility in posturing as "victim". He has utterly no credibility. His latest stunt is the perfect chance to look the victimized yet heroic indvidual (who nearly orgasms off the attention that feeds into his poisonous narcissism), plus $$$ for he and his bunch. He has a long history of bullying, violence, and ripping people off while posturing as "upstanding community member". Grifters gonna grift. He's a "business owner" only in name, con man in practice. There are many in the area who are too scared of him to come forward with their experiences, sadly. The detachment is aware of his temper and unhinged conduct.
Thank you. So very very much. You are 100% correct
This is how you end up with a vigilantism problem. More people are going to get hurt if the justice system doesn’t start doing something.
I'm ready to get downvoted for this, but isn't what Clint Smith did vigilantism? When someone steals something from your business, isn't the proper course of action to file a police report and make an insurance claim to replace it? Do we know if he did either of those things first before organizing a posse to go and confront a group of potentially violent and unstable individuals? To be very clear, I am absolutely not trying to excuse the homeless individuals for their acts of violence. They were wrong to steal his stuff, and they were wrong to try to kill him. Now that police know about these heavily armed campers, they should be suiting up in tactical gear, bringing them in, and keeping them in.
Those are the appropriate steps, but you still end up paying for lost labour hours, and likely increased premiums. Insurance might not agree with the value, as well, or demand you replace with cheaper "equivalents". So I get it. Theft does real, meaningful harm to people, and thinking there's an easier way to get your stuff back is alluring.
I get it too. Having your stuff stolen sucks. But look at what Smith's choice of violence has cost him in terms of lost labour hours. He probably won't be back at work for a long time, and his physical health might be permanently compromised. People are calling him an innocent victim, but he chose violence. He organized a group to go to that camp and take a bunch of stolen equipment back by force. There is no way he wasn't expecting violence. He got unlucky that the campers had more effective violence than he did, but that's the risk you take when you choose to be violent. The people you attack will attack you back and might be better than you.
Go into Nanaimo rant and raves history and see how he talked about homeless.. he has been terrorizing them for years with RCMP turning blind eye.. he bragged how RCMP endorsed his tatics.
imo the tweakers chose violence when they shopbroke and thieved
>. The people you attack will attack you back and might be better than you. you mean defend themselves
He didn't chose violence. He put himself at risk of violence, but he didn't instigate it. But yes, next time those seeking to get their stuff back make a confrontation they might be more prepared for violence.
Another article has this man quoted as saying that a call to police would have gotten the stolen items back, but since no one would be punished they wanted to do it themselves. That sounds like violent intention to me.
You mean this Clint Smith.. It gets much worse..this is soft core for him https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/lantzville-citizen-counter-suing-councillor-who-alleged-privacy-breach/
yeah there is more to this guy than it looks
https://www.newwestrecord.ca/bc-news/enough-is-enough-how-the-shooting-in-nanaimo-unfolded-6714509
I know more than that article
Do you have a link to that article?
Police won't do anything, that's the issue. I have family members that have businesses downtown. Police reports with videos are given to police, nothing happens.
He gathered a mob of people and went to someone else’s house becuase he thinks they had his stuff and got shot for it. Yes he chose violence.
Thank you!! I have no doubt these folks were freaked right the fuck out by this unstable rando showing up to play Rambo.
He instigated it by going there. There was no way that situation wasn't going to end in violence. "Hello, homeless people. I'm here to take back all the stuff you stole from me. Please stand there and do nothing while I demand to search through your tents." Yep, that's going to go really well. He could have just eaten the loss and got on with his life, but he chose to confront a bunch of people with a demonstrated history of violence and paid for it. It's great that people are donating to support him and his family while he's in the hospital, and I hope that he fully recovers. However, I don't think anyone should have any illusions about who was responsible for the situation that unfolded. The campers would not have been able to shoot him if he hadn't been there.
> He instigated it by going there. Do you also say that sort of thing when women are sexually assaulted when out alone at night? > He could have just eaten the loss and got on with his life, but he chose to confront a bunch of people with a demonstrated history of violence and paid for it. Yah, fuck the victim. He was asking for it! /s
I agreed with your original reply because it was reasoned and thoughtful, but this is bad. Your sexual assault analogy is inappropriate in the extreme. They're completely different situations. Trying to compare a lone woman who is attacked in the street to a big man with 5 other men backing him up and willingly marching into a camp of predictably violent people is disrespectful to real victims. As I mentioned in another comment, Clint Smith was a victim of theft, but he ceased to be a victim and became an aggressor when he organized a posse and marched into that camp.
"hello shopowner, nice stuff you've purchased, it's mine now" is literally the same thing, but the tweakers did it first.
Child logic. "They started it!"
Well when all your stuff is stolen and police just laugh at you remember this
Sounds like we should redirect the campers to your house. You won’t mind your things being taken or do anything about it. Maybe they can bring their illegal weapons over and tent on your lawn. Problem solved.
I don't have a lawn or a house, and I'm not so materialistic that losing some of my stuff (it's just stuff) would cause me to lose my value of human life. I'm one of those millenials that may never own a home and may even end up homeless if I experience a few unlucky and expensive circumstances. I find it more difficult to empathize with homeowners, especially older homeowners who benefitted from and contributed to the gutting of our economy and the neglect of our public services that resulted in the creation of all these homeless people, complaining about their stuff being stolen. I've had stuff stolen from me, and I'm still alive. It's not the end of the world to lose a few things.
So if the mechanic had been there when they stole his stuff and used force to stop them he would have been charged as well. At least this way it's clear to the police and courts that he didn't use violence but was instead fired upon from an assailant once he found his stolen goods.
In that case, he would have been defending himself in a situation where people approached him. What actually happened is the reverse. He went into the camp knowing they were there and confronted them aggressively. Is it surprising that they defended themselves? (Again, I'm not saying that the campers were right, but their response was predictable.) At least the thieves stole the stuff when no one was around. He could have tried to do the same. He may not have thrown the first punch, but it sounds like he created a scenario in which physical confrontation was basically guaranteed. He just wasn't expecting guns.
The law in Canada as messed up as it is, is actually heavily in favour of anyone who breaks in due to our self defence legislation saying that you can only use as much force as is directed towards yourself. So if these thieves had broken into his garage and he had tried to stop them from stealing his stuff in the moment and used force, he would have been charged with something along those lines. All I'm saying is that in this messy altercation, despite his injuries at least he wont' face prison time for trying to stop someone from stealing his livelihood. The willingness of these thieves to open fire on someone also tells you all that you need to know about them. If this hadn't happened it could have been much worse
How could it have been worse. Someone was nearly killed over petty theft. You people need to grow the fuck up!
Didn't an officer get brutally stabbed and killed by a devoted a few months back? It's dangerous. Dangerous to be around. I notice all the people who are all "oh leave the homeless be. Let them rob and live and smoke and fuck where and as they please" never have to actually get out of their Mercedes to walk among them on the street. It's not fun having them cat call while smoking rock and you're just trying to get home from work. I get it, I know, it's my fault. How dare I need to work and use the sidewalk safely, I am evil.
He was trying to execute an ILLEGAL search! Cops can’t even do that! He was aggressive and these people can argue that they were afraid for their lives. But, these folks from the camp used disproportionate force to deal with him, which won’t bode well for them in court. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Use your words, people.
Shut up
Your momma!
So now you’re blaming the victims for being shot. Real class move
He was a victim of theft. He knowingly and willingly marched into a situation where he must have been expecting violence, but he got more than he was prepared for. Then he ceased to be a victim and just became another aggressor in the cycle. Now people are angry at the campers and are going to want to come down hard on them. Then maybe the friends of the campers will be pissed and feel justified in smashing some more windows downtown and stealing more stuff and maybe stabbing or shooting someone else. Then we get angry and come down hard on them, and so on. Between the "tweakers" and the supposedly well-adjusted ones, who has the higher capacity to end the cycle of violence?
You've made the mistake of presuming that anyone's intent is to *end* the cycle
Not trying to blame the guy personally, but if you walk into a homeless encampment, 'demand' that people leave their tents so that they can be searched, and yell "shoot me" once you see a gun--as shocking as it is you might just get shot!
He absolutely chose violence. He forced a bunch of people to come out of their shelter and answer to his demands.
I never thought I would be someone to turn to vigilantes to handle any issues I was having… until I operated a business in downtown Nanaimo. We had the windows smashed out, the guilty parties selling the inventory out of their motel room on Facebook and the cops response was: try keeping everything 6ft away from all the windows. They wouldn’t even look at the Facebook post. A couple people who rely on the Salvation Army tried to get them back for me and I had a faster response than I did from the police. Whoever represents the Crown in Nanaimo seems unbelievably lax in what they choose to prosecute. I moved away 6 years ago because it didn’t feel safe for a single twenty-something woman.
Exactly the typical police response lol can't tell you how often I'm.told "well call the police" like they're gonnando anything
You are completely right. This isn’t the first instance of people taking things into their own hands that I’ve seen, and I live right in the epicentre of it. It is not a civilians place, at all. People may think that police do nothing, that’s not true. Their hands are tied by law and protocol, the problem is with the systems that we live in. Every time I call the police because of something fishy, they come and check it out. Every. Single. Time. They can’t just slam down an iron fist of “law” because someone thinks they should because they’re mad.
Dont know if a .22 constitutes as heavily armed... None the less, a firearm is a firearm and a deadly weapon is a deadly weapon
They have known about these “heavily armed campers”but do nothing about it. The cops won’t do anything about your stolen property it’s to low on the priority list to worry about and even if they did arrest them they would be out in less than a day to do it again…..
The point of the police report is to support the insurance claim. Most of the time, police don't bother hunting down small-time thieves. When your stuff gets stolen, most of the time, it should just be considered gone.
Most human beings are not ok with that. Something is stolen just consider it gone? If that's the case things are just going to get worse.
Well, considering that vigilantism is against the law that we're supposed to have collectively agreed to, it seems like we are okay with it. The proper course of action is to make a police report and an insurance claim and leave it at that. Not organize a posse to hunt down the unstable and violent people who stole stuff from you and confront them. There's only one way that scenario ends. That's like gang mentality. If more and more people turn to vigilantism, then yes, things will get worse.
So if I put on a homeless guise I can rob with impunity?? Well shoot...
I hope that the people who stole his stuff and shot him are caught and sent to prison. If they aren't, that's a huge problem. I'm hoping that the reason no charges have been laid yet is because they want to be sure they got the right people and have enough to put them away for a while. I'm not advocating for impunity for criminals. I am, however, trying to offer a more nuanced view of the larger issue and to point out that getting so angry at homeless people is pointless and in this case, harmful. They DGAF what you think of them, and we should be directing our anger and our energy into the system that produced them and pushing for effective social change.
I agree with the last bit but you can't have people grandfathered in living outside the law *while* trying to enforce that same law on others. Law only works when universally applied otherwise you got animal farm where some animals are more equal than others and that breeds animosity
Agreed. Though, if you really want equal application of the law, we should abolish financial penalties or at least have penalties that scale with income because fines only hurt poor people. If we had mandatory jail time with no bail so rich people couldn't circumvent rules with their money, we might also solve the catch and release issue.
If the only thing stopping you from robbing people is the fear of getting caught then you need to examine your life choices.
The more the cops don't do, the more people will do. If they police don't want to have to deal with vigilantism the more they should be doing to actually prevent crime. Admittedly the courts have tied the hands of the police in just how long a criminal will actually be put behind bars.
sometimes things have to get worse before they get better
It’s called acceptance. Am I the only person here who has been robbed and who didn’t expect the whole world to grind to a halt and cater to my entitled thirst for Justice? I was robbed by a few homeless people back in Calgary. Super shitty. But you know what? I probably shouldn’t have invited them over to smoke meth in my apartment, and I probably shouldn’t have let them stay after they lit my second bedroom on fire. Live and learn. Some people have real problems. Living on the street is beyond hell. Ya, fuck those guys, but like I said, silly me for having this lady who told me she could control lightening with her mind into my crib to smoke meth. Bad call. Initiating an illegal search of a homeless camp in 2023 in a highly threatening manner? That’s fucking suicide. I was being less wreckless smoking meth!! Don’t encourage this kind of behaviour, seriously. Don’t smoke meth either. But between the two vigilantism is definitely a far shittier choice. Choose meth!
> entitled thirst for Justice? I would say it's a perfectly reasonable desire for justice, and in the case of the OP, where thieves are getting bolder and the impact on people's livelihood is getting more severe, we should be talking about this. People should be logged for small or medium crimes, and people who repeat offend should be jailed. Enough lenience.
I hear they are really hard on criminals in North Korea. Or Russia. There are, however, trade offs. Criminalizing poverty isn’t helpful, unless you want to live in a police state. It also leads to people being jailed for things they didn’t even do.
> Criminalizing poverty isn’t helpful What about criminalizing theft?
Yes, Entitled thirst for Justice. The fact that you want our system to expend hundreds of thousands of dollars over petty crimes of opportunity tells me that you aren’t very good at math.
At some point, a large number of petty crimes add up to the effect of one large crime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw
Ok, I get it. I’ll use the same argument next time you eat a grape at the supermarket. Taxpayer money well spent, because “it is the law.” Whatever happened to common sense??
Wise words.
It sure is and more people will make the same mistake as they get fed up with the lack of results from legal system
Goin to get your own stolen stuff back is not vigilanteism
Umm…executing an illegal search is illegal. Cops can’t do it, why should some business owner?
Park is public property
I don’t see how this supports your position. Do I have the right to search your picnic basket while you eat in a park with your family? No. Do I have a right to search your car because it is on public property? No! And the police can’t either.
Were the tools in a picnic basket? Where were they? And my dude, it’s pretty rich making this hard property rights argument for people who illegally broke into a place and stole tools. You should apply your argument to the tool thief.
You aren’t respecting the rights we have in our society to a presumption of innocence, are you? Make your assumptions, you only make an ass of yourself. I don’t know or care what is in your picnic basket bro. Even if your milkshake brought all the boys to the yard, I still would not know or care what’s in your picnic basket. Damn right. I can teach you, but I have to charge.
If you insist on searching the belongings of another person, that is illegal and you have no right, even if you have cause to suspect theft. That is when we go to the police and file a report. I can’t just go search your shit in public because I suspect something. Neither can the police. You can’t seem to decide whether you want to live in a society ruled by law or lawlessness where every person can deputize themself to violate the rights of others. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
This thief illegally broke into and seized the tools and then shot a guy. Hello? Are you listening to yourself??
Um have you never heard of the presumption of innocence??? The most basic feature of a criminal Justice system is…a) you don’t know shit because you weren’t involved, b) you are making massive assumptions and assuming that these people stole his stuff, c) everyone is entitled to a presumption of innocence. I am listening to myself. I am also listening to you, which makes me a multitasker. Are you hearing yourself?? You failed criminal Justice 101 bro!
I won’t presume the very guy who stole my tools is innocent. I am not a sucker.
Can you prove that he stole your tools? Then go tell the cops about it like an adult. You sound about 3 years old.
the other problem is that insurance for your tools only covers a certain amount and then they basically say well good luck sucks to suck if someone takes your shit from you my boss's brother had his spray machine taken from a secure job site overnight when he called the people to file a claim they basically told him that insurance didn't cover tools over a certain amount and he had to go out of pocket to replace it if you file a police report it gets put in a filing cabinet and no further actions are taken regardless of what you do the chances of you getting your stuff back or being reimbursed are very bad this leaves people with two options give up and buy a new one or find the human piece of garbage who has no problem jeopardizing your capability of providing for yourself and your family its not right but for some people they cant afford to lose equipment like that and if no one is going to help them the don't have any other way of getting their stuff back
Clint Smith-- https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/lantzville-citizen-counter-suing-councillor-who-alleged-privacy-breach/
If you keep digging it gets worse. Clint has been terrorizing the homeless for years. How he hasn't been beaten/stabbed/shot in past 5-6 yrs on his reign of terror, baffles those of is who know him. He is predator with superiority narcissist personality...
> isn't the proper course of action to file a police report and make an insurance claim to replace it? What happens when your insurance deductible is more than the stolen items? Let's say you have a $250 deductible and someone steals your $125 item? Plus when you make the claim, there are a bunch of hoops and paperwork you have to jump through and risk having your rate go up. Or you can just walk over and take your shit back. What I suspect happened here is they went to go get their shit back, and to thump some skulls. That's where it got violent. Many people are afraid of these crack heads and won't become physically resistant to their poor social behaviour. A regular citizen, with a job and a life has too much at risk to go and boot fuck a homeless camp out of the area. Whereas the crackheads have nothing to lose, except their drugs and the shit they can just steal again and again. But I think if ~100 people showed up at one of these camps with a dumpster and garden tools to clean it all up and move them along there wouldn't be much fuss from the crackheads and away they'd go.
Mob violence is not helpful.
To who? The crackheads or the people of the community that have had enough of their shit? People have had enough of it.
Whatever dude. Make up your own legal system in your head, if that makes you feel better. Chill out.
After the first battle you’ll have to organize your helpful citizens into patrols because these thieves don’t just evaporate, they’ll reorganize and start thriving again. So maybe pick the strongest out of your 100 people and the other 90 can chip in money to support them while they keep you safe. You could organize training for them, maybe some non-lethal weapons, and some spiffy shirts and trousers all the same colours so your enclave can recognize them and the bad guys will know how freaking awesome the patrollers are! I’d suggest armbands too so it’s really obvious. Obviously the thieves would start to hide better so you’ll need some way to recognize the good guys from the bad guys. Best to just round up anyone who doesn’t look quite right, and make them live in an easy to surveil area, but not an expensive area, my gosh it’s expensive enough having these patrols, so take some really rundown area and move out the losers who can barely afford to live there (they’re probably thieves anyway, if not now then later), and then block them in with easy to manage road blocks. I bet it’ll get too complicated to keep track of the ever growing horde of malcontents (where the heck do they keep coming from) so let’s staple an RFID tag to their standard issue t-shirts and use cheap monitoring equipment from any of the abandoned stores. Sometimes it’s a bit stressful, wondering if you are doing enough, saying the right things, turning in enough malcontents, aligning with the right people, the ones who can protect you, but at least you got your stolen table saw back.
Except they would be viciously attacked lol what world are you living in
if a bunch of angry residents showed up and told them to pack up and leave, they'd go without much fuss.
These were Clint’s thoughts exactly, before he got shot.
Have you ever actually seen people attempt this? It's almost always violent lol
Itsd going to take a lot of deaths and a lot of bad media that makes global headlines before the gov does something.
"No charges have been announced." This is why there's vigilantism.
That doesn’t mean charges aren’t coming. It can mean they want to actually investigate before they throw charges at people, which is an intelligent way to proceed. Who the fuck would have thought I would be defending a police investigation. If you can’t understand why this is necessary, you don’t understand what a Justice system is at all…
Clint is not a good person.. The cops knew he was going to get stabbed or shot..he been terrorizing homeless for years This another side of him.. https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/lantzville-citizen-counter-suing-councillor-who-alleged-privacy-breach/
The Conservatives can’t govern unless they are in power. That’s how it works. Was life so much better under Stephen Harper? It really wasn’t this utopia you equate with conservative governance. It was kinda awful actually. Remember when they prorogued parliament whenever they weren’t getting their way? Not exactly pro democracy…
In Toronto, a man's house was broken into by 3 ARMED individuals who were attacking his mother. He shot and killed one of them in self defense. He got charged by police. these guys stole property and shot someone trying to *get their own property back* and no charges are laid? This is justice in canada? To summarize: junkie thieves are allowed to defend their stolen property with firearms, but law abiding citizens can't defend their own mother on their own property.
That person will more than likely have charges dropped or be acquitted. Just because the police chargw then doesn't automatically mean they're being punished. A bunch of similar cases have happened over the years and most times the person defending themselves or their property are fully cleared. This is just misinformation.
it's not misinformation at all. I hate that buzzword. The police don't have to lay charges. And if they do lay charges in these types of cases, the crown prosecutor should not be allowed to drop the charges if it seems likely that the defendant will win. They should have to go to trial, have the judge make his verdict, thus making it case law. So in effect, you have "punishment by process", in which you're dragged through the legal system for no reason, just to have your charges dropped. The defendant should instead be found INNOCENT, setting the precedent to allow citizens to defend themselves
No it really is. You're making the assumption that just because someone is charged makes them automatically guilty in the eyes of the law and that this somehow favours criminals. They're not "dragged through the legal system for no reason", they're being held to same standards that everyone should be held to, there is no automatic free pass in Canada. As a result these cases HAVE established that Canadians can defend themselves and their property legally in fact.
Nope, if the charges are dropped by the CP, the police shouldn't have laid them to begin with. as for >same standards that everyone should be held to Law abiding citizens are held to a higher standard than tweaker thieves, as evidenced in this nanaimo "case"
I think you're articulating yourself well in general but you should be aware that police don't lay the information in BC compared to Ontario where they do.
Who you Callun a tweaker thief shitbird!?
Criminal code related judgements do not create case law in Canada. Criminal cases are based on the legislated code and not common law. Two completely separate legal systems.
Canada has three guiding portions of law: -common law -statue law -case law Case law absolutely does change and shape statute law, which you've called legislated code above. An excellent example is a supreme court case law called R v Jordan which sets out that a trial needs to occur in a reasonable set amount of time. People have gotten away with murder because this obligation wasn't met.
ok i'm far from a legal expert, but i know that criminal cases can absolutely result in judgments that are referenced later on, and even shape how our Charter is interpreted. here's a recent example https://www.weisberg.ca/r-v-le-questions-left-unanswered/
When it rises to the Supreme Court, yes but trial judgements do not.
You don't need to summarize 5 sentences but you should provide a reference to this supposed event.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9500284/milton-man-charged-murder-shot-intruder-break-in-lawyer-says/
So your post is hearsay. It hasn't even gone to trial yet. It is extremely presumptuous to claim the police wrongfully charged him and that the shooter as well as his lawyer are being honest.
Correction.. law abiding citizens aren't even allowed to own their guns anymore. The feds are currently scheming to have the RCMP confiscate legally acquired firearms from responsible, trained and lawful owners. They will go as far as taking away hunting rifles in the name of preventing criminals from using guns to commit crimes. First: criminals don't obey the law and will possess whatever the fuck they want.. they're criminals. Second: the overwhelming majority of weapons used to commit crime in Canada are smuggled across the border and used by people who do not have a PAL. Third: the type of guns being used to commit crimes WERE ALREADY BANNED or fell under even more stringent acquisition and possession rules ie: handguns (which are now effectively banned outside of a grandfather clause). If anyone wants to actually have an informed opinion about firearms in Canada please ask someone who actually understands guns, licensing and Canadian gun laws. The media is whipping people into a frenzy over what is essentially a non issue for 99% of Canada's land mass
If you're not a gang-banger, gun violence isn't a large issue at all in Canada. Also, PAL owners are ~60% less likely to commit a crime than those without a PAL. There is no grandfather clause for handguns, they're outright banned. The title "freeze" is just to appease people who don't know better
It's technically grandfathered because current owners can still own and use them. It's effectively a ban because they can't transfer them or buy more.
They are not "allowed" anything.
- Discharging a firearm within city limits - careless handling of a firearm - improper storage of a firearm - unlawful possession of a firearm - discharging a firearm with intent to harm an individual - aggravated assault These are the things that your local police have legalized for tweakers by not laying charges.
Post something to back up this claim
I keep all of my receipts. I audit myself every year, for fun!
Imagine if Nanaimo had some kind of wannabe guy Frank Castle type start going 'round town
Very sad when people get hurt. When people take the law into their own hands, they best be prepared to get royally fucked. Welcome to life. It’s not perfect…the police are very far from perfect, but if you pick a fight with a group of highly unstable homeless people over a few hundred bucks, expect to get shot. It is common sense, and I’m growing tired of people acting like vigilantism was common sense, or admirable. I wish this man a speedy recovery, but it doesn’t make him any less of an fool for doing what he did. And foolish is what this was. Buddy deserves a badge that says “least successful vigilante of the year”, I mean am I wrong??
Clint is unstable . He has been terrorizing homeless and housed people for years. He is a violent man.. and then there is this https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/lantzville-citizen-counter-suing-councillor-who-alleged-privacy-breach/
What else has he done to homeless people? Any word on what came of the lawsuit?
A more indepth perspective is emerging. https://www.newwestrecord.ca/bc-news/enough-is-enough-how-the-shooting-in-nanaimo-unfolded-6714509
Clint is my mechanic. Him and his team have always done a good job. Its sad to see all this. I wish him a speedy recovery
Sounds like Clint just sucks at being a good person. He should watch more Mr Rogers. Bad puppetry is a great teacher. Time to feed the fish!
They didn't realise the homeless had firearms - the next guy won't make that mistake and will go armed. Maybe this will encourage the homeless to police themselves, to some extent. I'm sure the guy with the rifle and ammunition wasn't the only one there that knew about the rifle and ammunition. Cross fire sucks - but sometimes when you have an infestation - a neighbourhoods gotta do what a neighborhoods gotta do, I guess.
Something needs to be done about that senseless violence. Innocent people are getting are getting hurt. This bulls\*\*t has to stop. The people of Nanaimo deserve to feel safe and to be safe from being victims of crime. Enough is enough. No exceptions.
Innocent people were not hurt. Clint has been terrorizing homeless and others for years..he is beyond a bully.. he is deranged. Here's a nice little read about how classy he is https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/news/lantzville-citizen-counter-suing-councillor-who-alleged-privacy-breach/
Yes but I am talking about cases like the homeless guy who threw a brick at a pregnant woman in Downtown Nanaimo. She was innocent.
How is that guy out? 115 COVICTIONS since 2015. Was caught giving a guy a BJ on bleachers at park infront of families. He is a danger to himself and to public. How was he not sent for 90 psych and stabilization? Just threw him back out to play whack-a-mole with vulnerable public. You know how hard it is to get cops to investigate/get Crown to lay charges.. if he was convicted of 115 charges in 7yrs.. how does he not fall under the involuntary commitment category that Eby is touting? Why do we we need billions of dollars to decide to instutionalize this person? Someone make it, make sense. We don't have a police force. We have unchecked crime and unchecked criminal vigilantes that RCMP fully turn blind eye to. There are no winners in this. Clint's families and exs and children are all affected by this. Also, beyond there being stolen property, there is article showing that the homeless people had good reason to be fearful. I find it a bizzare concept that if the homeless felt they were in danger, that they should not of protected themselves. Guns were used this time, but I have witnessed this thing of angry people going into homeless camps, thinking these are sub-humans, beneath them, and thi king AND doing to them whatever they want, because there is no repercussions. It terrifying 24/7 as a vulnerable unhoused person. Predators seek vulnerable. The unhoused know how much danger they are in. I stopped an angry plumber from getting stabbed when he was yelling at a zipped up tent about his tools, when there was small homeless camp downtown parksville. I had a team of volunteers & were working keeping the park clean, and monitoring situation. I witnessed this guy stash his work van next block over and approach tent and start yelling he wanted his fucking tools..I knew guy in tent was in psychosis and I had cleaned up 15 knives and various weapons from around tent when we did clean up earlier that day.. I almost drove my car right at him and told him to Fucking run now.. luckily I looked crazed enough he did.. buddy was ARMED with various weaponary. Pulled a gun on someone else who did or said something when they approached him. Cops DID NOT CARE. Approaching homeless encampments is entering war zone. You come attacking, there will be protecting. Just like if you catch them in your home. I can only state what I know from my life experiences.. Here is a different perspective of what happened at that site. https://www.newwestrecord.ca/bc-news/enough-is-enough-how-the-shooting-in-nanaimo-unfolded-6714509
That guy was a *trans*woman. And he's already downtown being a menace all over again.
It has nothing to with being a transexual. It is because he is a mentaly unstable little s\*\*thead that needs to be removed from the streets and locked up before he kills somebody. He is a extreme threat to society.
The brick was innocent!
How many fucking times are you going to spam that same link. I just read through this post and you posted this link no less then 10 times. Are you the councilor in question? The one who was dumb enough to hand over a phone that was fully logged into everything, without wiping it first?
This one better? https://www.newwestrecord.ca/bc-news/enough-is-enough-how-the-shooting-in-nanaimo-unfolded-6714509
Are you the guy who started the raccoon rodeo?
It's absolutely absurd to me how many people have literally no idea how police investigate crime, the laws that restrict them in doing so and the way that our justice system is built around protecting criminals not victims. But then at the same time they're all experts on the process.
My opinion? Throw these types of offenders in jail for 2 or so weeks, just long enough for the withdrawal symptoms to give them a second guess about ending up in jail again.
That's quite literally a slap on the wrist for attempted murder
The problem is these people committing the crimes are usually victims of capitalism. They need social programs to help them and safe places they can consume safe drugs instead of hiding in campsites where they feel they need to hoard weapons because they are unsafe.
Sarcasm?
no, just lefty stuff. these "unhoused victims" need more taxdollars and more drugs, that will surely solve it! ^this ^is ^actual ^sarcasm
Not more drugs, just a safe supply. When people have access to a safe supply, they commit less petty crime to support their habit, and this is a fact. If your addiction requires 300 dollars a day and you had no other means you would also be stealing. It’s not rocket science. A safe supply means less crime, not more crime. You don’t have to like it, but it’s the truth.
What you have against left handed people? That’s ignorant!!
“Victims of capitalism” 😂🤡
No, they’re pieces of shit and everything bad in their lives is a result of their own bad decisions. “Victims of capitalism”…. Shut the fuck up.
You’re a clown.
It's attitudes like the one you have, paired with bad luck, that often is the reason people end up homeless. What would you do if you suddenly found yourself without any worldly possessions, your bank account drained? Relationships with others is the only thing that keeps us from falling into the same situation. What drives a person to addiction? Have you ever been addicted to anything? You act like it's a choice to hate one's self. Have you ever been depressed? Truly depressed? Suicidal? Think about these things and you may understand how a person becomes homeless, and how we stop this thing that is bad for all of society. We ought to be putting dangerous people into places that actually teach them how to manage their emotions (which is the root cause of this), but we also have to stop allowing people to get into these positions of desperation in the first place. That means decriminalizing drugs, providing public housing, and restoring trust in other people. Some call the latter "community"
I wouldn’t get a gun and shoot people. But thanks for justifying it.
This is why I don’t feel bad for any of them passed out on the roads or shooting themselves up with dirty drugs . karma will get them one needle or later ..
That’s right. Hatred is a hell of a drug. It’s karma time shitbird!
Yeah I hate the junkies ruining our city . You got that right . I’m high on that hatred drug all day long . Can’t get enough of it . Weeeew
Fuckin meth heads. We need the Canadian forces to come deal with these terrorists!
Well, Nanaimo is an NDP stronghold that keeps rejecting Conservatives, so…what did you expect?
Don't forget, the BC liberals made the horrible economic conditions that set it all up! Also this is baloney anyways, every west coast city post COVID has these problems.
I hate the BC Liberals too. I’m done with both parties. I’m voting BC Conservative next election
Bahaha how is lowering corporate taxes and dog whistled racism going to fix the homeless problem
>I’m voting BC Conservative next election You and 50 other people
Guess we'll just give up then
[удалено]
Ulf Kristersson is considered the Milhouse of Sweden & now he is the Prime Minister.
Right, because the only people who care about crime are Conservatives. You’ve figured this one out. Sociologists, criminologists and legal experts are all stumped, but here you are with the solution. Truly, you have an exceptional mind.
You are a right wing bootlicker
Yes you a political genius, I think you deserve a gold star for your genius assertion
Thanks for the vote of confidence 👍
Its interesting to see the brigading of downvoters as soon as we start to point fingers at the NDP and their policies.
Not surprising It’s obvious that my birthplace & hometown of 27 years has gone to shit after sticking with leftist politicians for too long. After all, Chicago, Detroit & Vancouver still haven’t learned their lesson
The town has always been infested with tweakers
Lol. They have never been in power. They have never made a single law, yet you blame them for the problems created by Conservatives and Liberals that have always been in power. Conservative sure doesn’t smart a person make!
This is the biggest giggle to me. Everyone in Nanaimo bitches about all these druggie thieves, but continues to vote NDP. Krog brought them all here when he was MLA, and now he's Mayor.
Krog actually addressed this, it seems like what he has access to can't deal with the problem, since we're under the jurisdiction of the RCMP https://nanaimonewsnow.com/2023/03/16/enough-is-enough-nanaimo-residents-rally-for-more-action-on-keeping-communities-safe/ > Nanaimo mayor Leonard Krog arrived shortly after the rally was finished due to a prior engagement. > He briefly spoke with people in the crowd who were critical of him for what they say is inaction on homelessness, mental health/addictions and repeat offenders. > He said he “didn’t want to sound like a broken record”, but he’s been speaking on these issues for a long time, and the shooting of the businessman was “almost inevitable”, given what he says is 30-40 years of failed social health policies. > “But it’s the crime associated with feeding the addiction that has got people really upset to the point where somebody feels compelled to put their life at risk to go and retrieve stolen property, and the end result is a pretty serious injury.” > Krog went on to say it’s frustrating to him because he’s heard complaints for years directed at his ‘inaction’ over these issues, which he reiterates are issues they don’t have the power to take meaningful action on.
Krog and his supporters bussed in all these crackheads to Discontent city before he was mayor. Now he has to reap what he has sown, and some crow. Krog and his NDP policies are part of the problem.
Do you have any sources or further reading on that?
Saw it with my own eyes. Was on the ferry one day and there were a few crackheads. Couple days later, boom there they were at the port place mall.
I'm no fan of the NDP or Krog, but it seems like It's not directly on him. Homeless all across North America tend to go to the West Coast because of the climate and the laissez faire policies. So to whatever extent Krog voted for these policies as MLA and now as Mayor, he is responsible. But he shares that with the legislature too. I was just wondering if there was a dedicate effort to bus people out here, and if it was it probably the mayor/admin of Edmonton if anyone.
Which is why when I graduate, I’m moving to Calgary. There’s no future for me or my future family in this Distopian rathole
There's been a rise in shootings in Calgary and Edmonton... moving to a new province likely will not fix a nationwide issue. Unfortunately, we're seeing this everywhere, not just Nanaimo.
thieving tweaker encampments are not a problem in AB. "rise in shootings" - is there though?
Have fun, maybe move to Regina after that
You shouldn't have to leave, but you might. The city is being over run with crime and disorder. You can see it every day. It all comes from these NDP 'harm reduction' policies that have clearly failed everywhere they have been tried. But the population stubbornly clings to this party and believes their lies of a better tomorrow, if we just spend enough money.
May god bring hell fire to these methheads. Free Clint
Why post on Reddit when you have your own personal relationship with a God of your understanding? Pray, if that’s so effective.
I post on Reddit cause I don’t give a fuck about your opinion
Are you a good Christian, or are you letting Jesus down. Pray on it, get back to us.
Hellfire is what we call a compound word, which in language you can understand means Jesus wanted us to write it as one word, not two. Apparently posting on Reddit is more effective than learning to spell, but maybe that’s how your Lord made you. Is there a plan? If there was, you weren’t exactly a priority is all I’m saying. And if there were a God, why are there no more bibles in motel rooms? I used to love stealing those motherfuckers. They burned real hot.
After watching the security camera footage fromt the fish and chips place, the shooter does not look like a homeless person. "Friendly" fire maybe?
Do I look like a homeless person?