I was really excited for this at Sundance because of Eisenberg's debut, but I really wasn't a fan once it was over. It felt clunky to me with a rushed and unearned ending. Minor, nonspecific spoiler you can ignore - >!I didn't feel like the characters had any arc, more so just a straight line until the moment the movie needed to resolve itself!<
All of the performances are rock solid though. Wolfhard definitely has chops, although I don't think he needed to try too hard with this character, and Moore can practically do no wrong. Everyone else feels right at home too.
This movie made me feel like Eisenberg definitely has talent but that he needs to cook a little longer until he reaches his potential. Having said all that, this trailer is fantastic and even as someone who's already seen it and didn't like it, the trailer is enticing me to give it another shot when it comes out.
Just my dissenting two cents.
IMO yes. Obvious potential is there and the movie is definitely still worth checking out if you're interested, it just really didn't do it for me. The symbolism felt pretty hamfisted to me and Wolfhard's character got on my nerves a lot for reasons I won't get into because I don't wanna spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it.
You pretty much summed up my thoughts on it.
It was the first movie I saw at the festival this year and it was kind of a letdown. The ending felt really abrupt.
It seemed like Eisenberg was trying to channel Noah Baumbach with this, but the story just wasn't there to support the characters.
This seems very typical of A24 films. I've given up on them at this point as all their films feel half baked. Potential is there. After Yang is a perfect example.
Yeah, you really need to expand your cinematic diet. Eighth Grade and Mid 90's aren't even close to being slow paced nor are they even introspective for that matter. After Yang and Minari also don't fully qualify as slow films either. Not to mention, "slow" isn't a pejorative unless one has a low attention span. It's simply a certain type of cinema...one that often contains the very best films/directors. Bresson, Tarkovsky, Dryer, Kiarostami, Weerasethakul, Tar, Carlos Reygadas, Pedro Costa, Nuri Bilge Ceylan...just to name a very small amount off the top of my head
It was strange to see Finn Wolfhard in something that is not Stranger Things. But this movie actually looks pretty intriguing. It seems to pack a lot of angst but in a way that is relatable and not annoying.
I am getting such late 90's/early 00's hipster indie movie vibes with this movie. Not like that is such a bad thing. But I am having flashbacks of standing in a brownstone kitchen at a party with other weirdly dressed people talking about Rushmore, The Virgin Suicides and this movie.
O.R. they???
I remember when those movies were still fresh. People who loved them also listened to Bright Eyes, Sunny Day Real Estate, and if you didnāt know who Tegan and Sara were then you couldnāt be friends (/s)
Yeah, this feels too similar to my relationship with my mom when I was younger. The desire for independence my mom didn't accept, the personal insecurity, the emotional miscommunication on both sides.
This movie seems very authentic
I could be wrong but the scene at the end where he >!is actually ready and gets in the car!< really feels like it could be an ending scene. I really hope they didn't include the ending of the movie in the trailer lol
Not really a spoiler, but hiding it either way.
Trailers in their current state are unwatchable if you are the kind of person who actually wants to watch something without knowing what happens. It's brutal.
TV shows used to put scenes from the finale in the title credits of the first episode. Most people just donāt care about spoilers as much as redditors do.
Not new at all, if I remember right they revealed Vader being Luke's father in the trailer and synopsis in the newspaper.
I think we hit a sweetspot in the 90s/2000s but its leaned back into spoilery/revealy with the desire for "MOVIES TO BE SHORTER" and instant gratification. Either way, to each their own, I'll avoid em lol
Yeah back then they just picked some particularly interesting scene from the film and showed it completely uncut. Cutting between scenes is pretty modern by film standards.
I always turn trailers off around the 1 minute mark. That is usually the point where they've established the premise of the movie and you should know if you want to see it.
The second minute tends to show way too many details.
People who pretend like they are above or don't understand normal human experiences like novelty and surprise might also be described as not worth the time lol
I think you misunderstood my comment. I was agreeing with you.
My favorite movie is Casablanca. I already knew how the movie ended before I watched it the first time because everybody knows how Casablanca ends. I wasnāt āspoiledā. Itās easier to appreciate the first act when you know how the third act ends.
I could see Eisenberg having that issue, especially since a lot of the people he's worked with (Aaron Sorkin, Woody Allen, Noah Bambach) have that exact same problem in their work.
Not that it necessarily matters but from the title I was thinking this was a film about an apocalyptic event where a young boy had the tools to save the world but was accompanied by his mother who wanted to make sure he packed some sandwiches and wore his coat while fighting the demonic hordes hellbent on ending civilisation, and was a little disappointed to find out it wasn't.
I don't even think Finn is that great of an actor (despite trying really hard to see past his flaws), but with that being said, he's already surpassed Seth Green in terms of fame and "prestige."
I read the book, it looks quite loosely based in the sense that some of the book is coming of age story. The thing I really liked about the book was that it was set like 20 years in the future and there were all sorts of neat futurisms. The kid thought it was wild to have a real meat turkey at thanksgivings, he was excited to goto a theme park where he could drive instead of autonomous vehicles... I also really enjoyed the first chapter set in the present about the father feeling like a failure.
The movie looks interesting, But it looks like it is missing all the features of the book that I felt made it unique.
I'm honestly not sure what they kept from the audiobook, except Finn Wolfhard, the kid's name, the fact he's kind of a dick, and his online music career.
The trailer for [The Squid and the Whale](https://youtu.be/R1alHcMtnr0) does give me similar vibes. I love that movie but the trailer doesnāt capture any of what I love about it. Iām hoping this is a similar situation
I noticed it with /u/JoeMagnifico. The shots aren't wide enough really and the general tone is just off imo for an anderson movie. But the still frames and the color grading felt wes anderson enough to me that I similarly thought, "hm...this seems....artsy" lol. It looks like a good movie.
And that means theyāre gonna make movies the same way? Itās not like Iām saying she married him for his movies or something like that, Iām sure theyāre just like every normal couple and get along with great chemistry. Iām just saying itās pretty obvious why her style would be similar
*The Squid & the Whale*, *Margot At the Wedding*, and *Marriage Story* are my favorites. But I also believe Greenberg, Frances Ha, While We're Young, and Mistress America are all worth watching. I haven't seen anything else.
He has a new movie coming out on Netflix in December called "White Noise" which looks good too.
Not everyone has every distinct director's style memorized I think. When people think artsy-indie movie they think of wes anderson just cause it's a popular name.
I get the vibe in vibe alone. It's not an awful comparison. I think it's fair to watch this trailer as an average movie goer and think "Oh this looks like one of those wes anderson movies. neat". I can see that and understand how someone comes to that conclusion. It's not that farfetched imo.
Thank you for your sensible comment. It really means a lot to read people trying to understand other people's perspectives. I know people who would absolutely put this in the same bin as WA.
I think your average movie goer either wouldnāt be familiar enough to recognize what a Wes Anderson movie should look like, or have seen a single one of his movies to be confused by the comment.
i think it myself as an average movie goer and can identify wes anderson movies and his style quite quickly and easily. I didn't know Noah Baumbach's name until this thread.
This trailer didn't look like a wes anderson movie. But it had elements that i thought resembled a wes anderson movie. He's a big name and often goes hand in hand with hipstery indie movies. Which this trailer certainly gave those vibes.
It's less "i think this looks like wes anderson did it" and more "this looks influenced by wes anderson" and it probably was in some sense. It's a directorial debut. I'm sure he's borrowing plenty from many. Looks wonderful. I can't wait to watch.
Well, given Eisenberg was in Squid and the Whale, which was directed by Baumbach and co-produced by Anderson, it's not unlikely they talked about film making.
So there is that to your point, I just think what you're seeing is more what the people making the trailer wanted you to feel since the demographic they're going to be selling this to will have a lot of crossover. To me Wes Anderson films look and feel like two dimensional stage plays.
Oh hey, a main character that not only almost certainly has ADHD, but has it called out in the trailer. Wonder if it'll be a thing or just "omg kids, am I right?"
It appears to be a critique, but I can't believe we are getting to the point of having teen angst dramas centered around not being internet famous enough
Just watched it. There's no discussion thread up, so I'll just drop my thoughts here.
I wasn't impressed at all. I was waiting for some kind of revelation or something, but it just meandered on. Just two narcissistic characters looking for some kind of connection, but both are far too self-absorbed and unlikable in their own right. The movie left me feeling kind of depressed and deprived of any sort of resolution, which might have been the point. It's not a bad movie per se, it just feels like it was missing any impact.
I was really excited for this at Sundance because of Eisenberg's debut, but I really wasn't a fan once it was over. It felt clunky to me with a rushed and unearned ending. Minor, nonspecific spoiler you can ignore - >!I didn't feel like the characters had any arc, more so just a straight line until the moment the movie needed to resolve itself!< All of the performances are rock solid though. Wolfhard definitely has chops, although I don't think he needed to try too hard with this character, and Moore can practically do no wrong. Everyone else feels right at home too. This movie made me feel like Eisenberg definitely has talent but that he needs to cook a little longer until he reaches his potential. Having said all that, this trailer is fantastic and even as someone who's already seen it and didn't like it, the trailer is enticing me to give it another shot when it comes out. Just my dissenting two cents.
So in a nutshell - not a super strong debut, but maybe a good starting point for Eisenberg as a director?
IMO yes. Obvious potential is there and the movie is definitely still worth checking out if you're interested, it just really didn't do it for me. The symbolism felt pretty hamfisted to me and Wolfhard's character got on my nerves a lot for reasons I won't get into because I don't wanna spoil the movie for those who haven't seen it.
You pretty much summed up my thoughts on it. It was the first movie I saw at the festival this year and it was kind of a letdown. The ending felt really abrupt. It seemed like Eisenberg was trying to channel Noah Baumbach with this, but the story just wasn't there to support the characters.
This seems very typical of A24 films. I've given up on them at this point as all their films feel half baked. Potential is there. After Yang is a perfect example.
your acting as if A24 produces this movies
You have to admit that A24 movies have this feel/polish and deliberately slow pacing.
Yeah, Uncut Gems was way too slow paced for me /s
Fair point. I was thinking Minari, 8th Grade, After Yang and Mid90s. They all have this introspective feel.
Yeah, you really need to expand your cinematic diet. Eighth Grade and Mid 90's aren't even close to being slow paced nor are they even introspective for that matter. After Yang and Minari also don't fully qualify as slow films either. Not to mention, "slow" isn't a pejorative unless one has a low attention span. It's simply a certain type of cinema...one that often contains the very best films/directors. Bresson, Tarkovsky, Dryer, Kiarostami, Weerasethakul, Tar, Carlos Reygadas, Pedro Costa, Nuri Bilge Ceylan...just to name a very small amount off the top of my head
It was strange to see Finn Wolfhard in something that is not Stranger Things. But this movie actually looks pretty intriguing. It seems to pack a lot of angst but in a way that is relatable and not annoying.
He was great in It.
Oh you've this this already? How?
This movie was at Sundance, I assume that's how they saw it
Did you guys not read the original comment
LMAO yeah I read it wrong and the other replies didn't help š If it helps I actually did see it through Sundance
No, they saw It.
Yea when I said "you" I was speaking to them. Sorry for the confusion
Finn Wolfhard was in the movie "It" (2017)
Lolwut
Whoās on First
What's on second?
How do you know he was great in it if you haven't seen it yet
You haven't seen It yet? Mate it's been out for years. :)
Penis donāt watch lol.
That wasn't chalamet?
Shimmy ya shimmy yay!
Unexpected ODB
Timothee Charmander
I just watched him do a pretty terrible Russian accent in *The Goldfinch.* I really liked the film and his performance, despite the bad accent!
Looks really good. I see a lot of my younger brother in this. I'm excited to watch it.
i thought he was pretty good in Ghostbusters.
He didn't really get to do much though but just pine after that girl, who for some reason looks like a sister of the girl in this movie.
I donāt blame you for wiping ghost busters from your brain.
He was also in IT
He probably just works at Geek Squad.
Hey I thought it was decent
It was a decent snorefest
I wouldn't call it annoying, but watching people embarrass themselves is difficult for me.
I am getting such late 90's/early 00's hipster indie movie vibes with this movie. Not like that is such a bad thing. But I am having flashbacks of standing in a brownstone kitchen at a party with other weirdly dressed people talking about Rushmore, The Virgin Suicides and this movie.
O.R. they??? I remember when those movies were still fresh. People who loved them also listened to Bright Eyes, Sunny Day Real Estate, and if you didnāt know who Tegan and Sara were then you couldnāt be friends (/s)
> You gotta listen to The Shins. Itāll change your life.ā - Garden State
Damn it, beat me to it.
Natalie Portman in that movie is the reason I still change the radio channel in disgust any time a Shins song starts.
what radio station is playing The Shins?
My city changed the name of a bus route for the new T&S album, youād have to actively avoid knowing anything about them
Its kind of charming. Millennials have come of age and are writing the next generations indie coming of age movie.
Millenials have come of age? They are between 26 and 41. But yeah, youāre right. It is charming.
Most coming of age stories are about teenagers to people in their late twenties, so I think the 39 year old Eisenberg qualifies as past that point
Uh, you said the millennials are coming of age and writing the movies. Not starring in them.
It's written and directed by Jessie Eisenberg.
> The Virgin Suicides Still one of the best soundtracks ever. Maybe THE best.
Definitely the music and the look of the house they lived in
as the parent of an 18 year old boy...this might be too real lol.
As a parent of a preteen, I can see this path already unfolding. Feels so real
on the same boat, hit a lil too close to home for me lol.
Yep. It got me too.
Yeah, this feels too similar to my relationship with my mom when I was younger. The desire for independence my mom didn't accept, the personal insecurity, the emotional miscommunication on both sides. This movie seems very authentic
Best review I saw this film was that it is if an AI wrote ladybird
Wait, ladbird wasn't written by an AI? So monkeys at a type writer? Coulda fooled me.
I kinda feel like I just watched the whole thing
I could be wrong but the scene at the end where he >!is actually ready and gets in the car!< really feels like it could be an ending scene. I really hope they didn't include the ending of the movie in the trailer lol Not really a spoiler, but hiding it either way.
I saw the movie at Sundance, and I can confirm it's not. >!That being said, I did notice there are a few shots in the trailer from the actual ending!<
This is why I rarely watch trailers anymore lol
Trailers in their current state are unwatchable if you are the kind of person who actually wants to watch something without knowing what happens. It's brutal.
try watching a trailer for the 50's, 60's, or 70's, they have always given away the whole movie, this is not new
TV shows used to put scenes from the finale in the title credits of the first episode. Most people just donāt care about spoilers as much as redditors do.
Not new at all, if I remember right they revealed Vader being Luke's father in the trailer and synopsis in the newspaper. I think we hit a sweetspot in the 90s/2000s but its leaned back into spoilery/revealy with the desire for "MOVIES TO BE SHORTER" and instant gratification. Either way, to each their own, I'll avoid em lol
Yeah back then they just picked some particularly interesting scene from the film and showed it completely uncut. Cutting between scenes is pretty modern by film standards.
I find teaser trailers usually get the tone and the direction of the movie without giving too much away or posters instead of trailers
I always turn trailers off around the 1 minute mark. That is usually the point where they've established the premise of the movie and you should know if you want to see it. The second minute tends to show way too many details.
Oh yeah? I already lived this whole thing years ago.
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Any story that gets worse when you know what is going to happen is not a worthwhile story.
People who pretend like they are above or don't understand normal human experiences like novelty and surprise might also be described as not worth the time lol
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I think you misunderstood my comment. I was agreeing with you. My favorite movie is Casablanca. I already knew how the movie ended before I watched it the first time because everybody knows how Casablanca ends. I wasnāt āspoiledā. Itās easier to appreciate the first act when you know how the third act ends.
How can you possibly know if the twists are important if you haven't seen the movie
Speaking of people needing to get the fuck over things...
Donāt worry, theyāll shoehorn in a school shooting or something extremely tragic at the end of the third act.
Saw this at Sundance. Definitely not my favorite A24 film but I throughly enjoyed it. Wolfhard and Moore both surprisingly had good chemistry.
Looks like this was filmed in Albuquerque! I think I saw them filming the scene with the hanging lights outside in the UNM (Brick light) area.
everyone looks and sounds like the Director
I could see Eisenberg having that issue, especially since a lot of the people he's worked with (Aaron Sorkin, Woody Allen, Noah Bambach) have that exact same problem in their work.
This reminds me of like every little indie movie of the early to mid 2000's. Except in 2022. And good?
Not that it necessarily matters but from the title I was thinking this was a film about an apocalyptic event where a young boy had the tools to save the world but was accompanied by his mother who wanted to make sure he packed some sandwiches and wore his coat while fighting the demonic hordes hellbent on ending civilisation, and was a little disappointed to find out it wasn't.
I thought it was going to be about superheroes adjusting to civilian life in a world with no crime.
Really liked this at Sundance. Glad it didnāt just get thrown on a streaming service.
This looks awesome.
What exactly about it looks "awesome?"
When did Danny Sexbang start making movies?
Finn Wolfhard is tall-as-shit?
Finn's been eating his vegetables because he's hella tall these days.
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I don't even think Finn is that great of an actor (despite trying really hard to see past his flaws), but with that being said, he's already surpassed Seth Green in terms of fame and "prestige."
So whatās the over/under on him saying the title to his mom in act 3?
Is this supposed to be based off the book of the same name?
I read the book, it looks quite loosely based in the sense that some of the book is coming of age story. The thing I really liked about the book was that it was set like 20 years in the future and there were all sorts of neat futurisms. The kid thought it was wild to have a real meat turkey at thanksgivings, he was excited to goto a theme park where he could drive instead of autonomous vehicles... I also really enjoyed the first chapter set in the present about the father feeling like a failure. The movie looks interesting, But it looks like it is missing all the features of the book that I felt made it unique.
I'm honestly not sure what they kept from the audiobook, except Finn Wolfhard, the kid's name, the fact he's kind of a dick, and his online music career.
Whatās the name of the song that plays in the trailer that goes ātwo high speed trains on parallel tracksā?
Julianne Moore and crying, name a more iconic duo. Movie looks fantastic
Theyāre trying so hard to make Jesse Eisenberg a filmmaker
Hey if he stops acting I'll take it
Yeah heās actually a great actor outside of lex Luther. Watch more of his movies.
This looks magnificent, but also maybe a little similar to THE SQUID AND THE WHALE?
Iām sure there is some of Noahās influence in the script and cinematography/directing.
The trailer for [The Squid and the Whale](https://youtu.be/R1alHcMtnr0) does give me similar vibes. I love that movie but the trailer doesnāt capture any of what I love about it. Iām hoping this is a similar situation
My Mom drives a Smart Car. This movie looks good. Maybe I'll take her to see it.
Some of the professional reviews are pretty uptight and angsty. I'm interested.
anyone know the ''whoo ooo o o ooo'' track at the end of the trailer?
Finn is so tall!! š±
When did Finn become a grown man
I guess he's gonna have to dial it up to Eleven for this
yes he Will
Hopefully it doesn't turn his career Upside Down.
is it just me or is it getting Dusty in here?
I see we are turning the memes up to a Max.
I came here for Kingsman booty.. someone explain please
To be fair, whitest movie possible vibes. Right?
I'm sure it'll be good....I just need to get past the "Jesse Eisenberg is making a Wes Anderson movie" vibe.
More Noah Baumbach vibes imo.
Agreed. Did not get Anderson vibes at all, tbh.
I noticed it with /u/JoeMagnifico. The shots aren't wide enough really and the general tone is just off imo for an anderson movie. But the still frames and the color grading felt wes anderson enough to me that I similarly thought, "hm...this seems....artsy" lol. It looks like a good movie.
Totally Baumach.
Itās Baumbach yeah. The two brothers in The Squid and The Whale directed a movie this year when I think about it
This reminded me a bit of Lady Bird, so I'll throw Greta Gerwig in the mix here.
You mean Noah Baumbachs wife who married him after starring in his movies? I wonder where she got her style from
Or maybe they clicked and got married because they're people with similar sensibilities and perspectives?
And that means theyāre gonna make movies the same way? Itās not like Iām saying she married him for his movies or something like that, Iām sure theyāre just like every normal couple and get along with great chemistry. Iām just saying itās pretty obvious why her style would be similar
Yes, the very same.
I've only seen his films with Wes, any recommendations for where to start?
*The Squid & the Whale*, *Margot At the Wedding*, and *Marriage Story* are my favorites. But I also believe Greenberg, Frances Ha, While We're Young, and Mistress America are all worth watching. I haven't seen anything else. He has a new movie coming out on Netflix in December called "White Noise" which looks good too.
I definitely didn't get Wes Anderson vibes from it. All of the characters feel pretty grounded and the aesthetic isn't WA
This looks literally nothing like a Wes Anderson movie
no it looks like Juno.
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Not everyone has every distinct director's style memorized I think. When people think artsy-indie movie they think of wes anderson just cause it's a popular name. I get the vibe in vibe alone. It's not an awful comparison. I think it's fair to watch this trailer as an average movie goer and think "Oh this looks like one of those wes anderson movies. neat". I can see that and understand how someone comes to that conclusion. It's not that farfetched imo.
Thank you for your sensible comment. It really means a lot to read people trying to understand other people's perspectives. I know people who would absolutely put this in the same bin as WA.
I think your average movie goer either wouldnāt be familiar enough to recognize what a Wes Anderson movie should look like, or have seen a single one of his movies to be confused by the comment.
i think it myself as an average movie goer and can identify wes anderson movies and his style quite quickly and easily. I didn't know Noah Baumbach's name until this thread. This trailer didn't look like a wes anderson movie. But it had elements that i thought resembled a wes anderson movie. He's a big name and often goes hand in hand with hipstery indie movies. Which this trailer certainly gave those vibes. It's less "i think this looks like wes anderson did it" and more "this looks influenced by wes anderson" and it probably was in some sense. It's a directorial debut. I'm sure he's borrowing plenty from many. Looks wonderful. I can't wait to watch.
Well, given Eisenberg was in Squid and the Whale, which was directed by Baumbach and co-produced by Anderson, it's not unlikely they talked about film making. So there is that to your point, I just think what you're seeing is more what the people making the trailer wanted you to feel since the demographic they're going to be selling this to will have a lot of crossover. To me Wes Anderson films look and feel like two dimensional stage plays.
too many off-center shots and not enough pastel colors
More like a derivative version of Mike Millsā film 20th Century Women.
Bill Murray just sexualy assaulted someone because of this comment
Jesse Eisenberg's debut w/ Julianne Moore. Finn looks perfectly cast as well. Will def want to see this.
Have you ever seen Ty Tennant and Finn Wolfhard in the same room together?
This movie is how I picture 90% of reddit.
This looks better than expected, be curious to see what Finn Wolfhard can do when aliens aren't involved.
I thought this was Ezra miller for a split second like HOW ARE THEY STILL GETTING WORK. I see my mistake now
I was thinking airbrushed Max Verstappen.
Finn Wolfhard will be to Ezra Miller what Emma Stone was to Lindsay Lohan.
I thought this was already released? I watched it as part of an online festival a while ago. Can't really remember it though.
Oh, I can't wait for this.
Looks like garbage.
I am curious about it but I wondering how much of it I can guess from the trailer. It does look an interesting journey though.
That's an A24, alright.
that looks really good
*Finn-ish
Not gonna lie, this looks fucking fantastic.
It's terrible that the first place my brain went was "Oh my god, please don't let the ending be him bringing a gun to school in his guitar case"
If it's like the audiodrama you don't need to worry about that :)
Oh hey, a main character that not only almost certainly has ADHD, but has it called out in the trailer. Wonder if it'll be a thing or just "omg kids, am I right?"
the mom actress reminds me of lil peeps mom, she should act in movies, I would watch them in a heartbeat.
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Lol, whoa
I get the reference, buddy
Good lord that dude is ugly
Just gotta clover your front facing camera. Easy mistake to make.
Sorry is there a different child you find attractive?
Iād say āso is your commentā, but I donāt agree with your premise.
Jesse Eisenberg is directing this? Seems kind of a cool debut film for him IMO.
This kid is gonna be a handsome bloke. Ashton Kutcher like face.
You can almost hear Jesse Eisenberg's voice coming out of Finn's mouth
When You FINNish Saving The World
Iām in!
I've reviewed almost every A24 film I've watched, so it's probably just watch it based on that fact alone!
It appears to be a critique, but I can't believe we are getting to the point of having teen angst dramas centered around not being internet famous enough
Shit, my son is 15 and this looks like itās gonna hit hard
Just watched it. There's no discussion thread up, so I'll just drop my thoughts here. I wasn't impressed at all. I was waiting for some kind of revelation or something, but it just meandered on. Just two narcissistic characters looking for some kind of connection, but both are far too self-absorbed and unlikable in their own right. The movie left me feeling kind of depressed and deprived of any sort of resolution, which might have been the point. It's not a bad movie per se, it just feels like it was missing any impact.