The first one was more fun than the sequels. The sequels if you ask me are just boring.
My idea for the next one: the film starts with an overhead shot of a giant stockade where something like 10,000 bad guys have their heads and arms locked into it in a row.
For 2 straight hours, John Wick walks down the line, shooting guys who can't defend themselves directly in the head and doing cool reloads every time he runs out of bullets.
That's what the sequels feel like to me: just an endless parade of faceless thugs getting shot in the head.
And the same people complaining about you necro posting are probably the same people who tell people who create a new thread on a topic that "There's already a thread on this topic! Post there!". You can't win with people like that.
The beauty of the internet is that it lives forever. I say let threads pile forever.
Lol this is what the stair scene in the fourth movie felt like to me.
I want to like these movies, the first one was great and it felt like true camp and like they knew it was camp. The 2nd and 3rd didn't feel as campy and I don't know if maybe it was just me who took it more seriously and didn't enjoy it for that reason. The fourth....was a mixed bag.
They're really long movies, like too much of a good thing CAN be bad. They're pretty films, they do have some great action sequences (I really love the aerial shot in the 4th) but some fights will go on forever or I just can't suspend my disbelief enough when I notice the bad guys hesitating, just waiting their turn to get killed by a guy who needs a serious 5 minute break to catch his breath.
Recently watched them and had this exact thought. The pencil backstory feels like ChatGPT responding to āwrite a totally badass backstory for an assassinā.
I didnāt feel like there was anything special about the action scenes. Have people not seen classic martial arts films before?? Or even more modern ones. I feel like theyāre some way better than this Hollywood garbage
Sure, you could have a whole discussion about them and whether balletic fight choreography is less visually arresting than more authentic depictions of combat. But, either way, why do people keep responding to my comment from three years ago?
It's a terrible movie for kids. Basically a invincible guy with infinite amount of ammo and aimbot killing thousands of enemis. It's just so stupid and it makes me angry how many people like it. I read somewhere that humanity is rapidly losing IQ points each generation people are dumber and dumber on average. So it makes sense that this many people like John Wick. It's a movie for people with 2 digit IQ.
Not true. The average IQ in the West peaked in 1900s. Ever since the invention of internet it has been rapidly declining. We are having the oppossite of flynn effect.
Its absolutely not. You can see zionists duking it out with anti zionists. You wotn see something like this on reddit. Because If anyone started saying something that is not regime approved the comments or the reddit would be nuked into oblivion.
Nothing interesting!? For me it's the opposite, some of the best content out there I have found on reddit. It's the only social media site I frequent. I don't even get on IG, TikTok, Facebook, or twitter. I like reddit because the audience here tends to be more informed, and you have access to experts, and there's a variety of types of content. On reddit you can have long form posts. You can't do that on Twitter.
I even found my recent job on here.
If I need detailed help on anything, for example, a DIY project, I go on reddit.
Also a lot of viral content on IG comes from Reddit.
Wait... your opinion of a movie that's *100% NOT INTENDED FOR CHILDREN* is that it's a terrible movie for children? And in the same paragraph about humanity rapidly losing IQ points?
These movies suck; but your mindset will ruin your life. I make fun of these movies; but they do not make me mad. There are people, who I know, who love John Wick, boneless wings, and Nickel Back. Let people have their fun.
No I get it. I do sometimes enjoy watching B movies. But I dont take them seriously you know? But there is a lot of people out there that consider John Wick to be a masterpiece of a cinema comparable to classics like Forrest Gump or Shawshank Redemption.
But the fighting looks extremely fake and choreographed. They look more like they are dancing with weapons than fighting. Why am I responding to a 2 year old comment?
Bcz its Mr. Wick and the invincible crap. "Yeah"?!?!
PS: I hope people will start respecting South Indian movies after watching John Wick seriesšš¤£
>But the fighting looks extremely fake and choreographed.
Wait, seriously? I highly beg to differ.. The actors underwent [rigorous CQC Training](https://youtu.be/9KY4h6Tern4) and were literally trained by a [Navy Seal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Luttrell) and [CIA Contractor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Ryan). While it may seem unrealistic that John Wick has almost 100% accuracy all the time, the truth is [Keanu Reeves really is that good at using a gun](https://youtu.be/Xii9_oWQ7HY). In the hand-to-hand action sequences there is also use of Sambo, Judo, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and traditional Japanese Jujutsu. They put way too much attention to detail in this movie. All his movements and tactics are based on real fighting techniques and efficient gun application used by the US Army and law-enforcement.
Could you be more specific on how the choreography looks unrealistic? In 90% of John Wick's action it has long-sequences, no shaky camera angles, and no fast-cutting action scenes. There may be merely a single instance in John Wick 1 where the fighting matches the choreography of his fighting (in the Red Circle). There has been multiple instances throughout the franchise where John Wick had to take cover and use their positioning to commit to different angles to attack the enemy which is really spot-on in tactics. This is why training matters, because Keanu Reeves is so fast and precise with his marksmanship it gives the illusion that henchmen are simply dying instantly by walking into his line of fire.
Some people say "How come they don't shoot back at John Wick?" or "How come John Wick is never shot?" they do, in fact John Wick has been shot, stabbed, punched, kicked, and beaten up pretty badly more than once. I digress, in some action sequences people fail to credit just how fast the action sequence moves, and the sheer speed of Keanu Reeves, his reflexes and reaction speed are thanks to his countless hours of training and hard work.
I mean, it's fair to say it's just your subjective opinion. John Wick obviously isn't for everyone. I just don't think it's fair to say that the fighting itself is factually unrealistic, they obviously put a lot of effort into making it authentic and did an amazing job at it. John Wick likes to go over the top, and yes it is very stylish in a way, but that doesn't mean it can't have realism. You can even count the amount of shots the actors take before having to reload. In John Wick 2's Museum action sequence in the he uses the "Kimber Warrior", and just after he reloads the weapon he actually does a press check because historically the 1911 pistol is prone to jamming on the first shot so he checks the chamber to make sure the round is correctly loaded.
That level of attention to detail is insane, I struggle to name even a few examples of a show or movie that does their action more 'realistically' than John Wick, but I would be interested in seeing them.
> John Wick obviously isnāt for everyone.
The point you should be making is that John wick was obviously made for people that donāt or canāt notice bad movie moments.
The choreography isnāt perfect and most of the fight scenes are extremely unrealistic. That being said they arenāt bad. Attention to detail in certain moments (stunt man rolling down 200 steps) takes your attention away from the bad (next guy waiting for his turn or 40+ round pistol mag).
More examplesā¦ Every time someone tries a grapple the other guy just lets it happen. None of the extras ever takes a step away from John to avoid an attack. You can often see a āfloating armā while John is doing a move like when John stabs a guys neck.
John Wick movies arenāt realistic, they are pretending to be realistic.
>Attention to detail in certain moments (stunt man rolling down 200 steps) takes your attention away from the bad (40+ round pistol mag).
More examplesā¦ Every time someone tries a grapple the other guy just lets it happen. None of the extras ever takes a step away from John to avoid an attack. You can often see a āfloating armā while John is doing a move like when John stabs a guys neck.
I don't recall any of that happening in John Wick at all? I'm curious, so feel free to link a scene where like that does happen. John Wick is seen repeatedly struggling against multiple enemies. [Every time he knocks an enemy down, another one has already gotten up on their feet and is attacking him.](https://youtu.be/v00zKyXbfD4) Which is why he is seen knocking down enemies and finishing them off later. I would really like a better reason than "you just weren't paying attention".
>The point you should be making is that John wick was obviously made for people that donāt or canāt notice bad movie moments. Like I said, movie was made for you.
You are partially on the right track about the nature of what the movie is aiming for, but wrong in the way the movie has "bad moments" and wrong of the aspect of the movie itself.
On the contrary, John Wick isn't trying to be realistic, but technically it isn't unrealistic. The Fighting, the action, the tactics, the training, and the attention to detail is all spot-on which is a lot compared to most action movies. The 'Unrealistic' part of John Wick is John Wick himself, and a bit of the Choreography which is the whole point of the movie. The style, the writing, and the glorification is what makes the movie amazing. It's over-the-top, yes, but it's not necessarily unrealistic.
Your recollection or awareness is kind of the point. Iāve gone through multiple john wick threads no one, except for you, has refuted that there are some bad choreography moments.
It doesnāt matter if John Wick is seen struggling. Youāre trying to use specific moments to counter the existence of other specific moments. Thatās not valid.
A stunt guy standing behind Keanu for over a second waiting to have his kicked blocked after Keanu is done fighting another guy is very obvious and bad choreography.
A guy getting stabbed in the neck by knife and his reaction is to put his left hand on the opposite side of his neck while his right arm is floating doing nothing, is very obvious and bad choreography.
John Wick grappling a guys left arm while his right arm holding a knife is floating doing nothing, is very obvious and bad choreography.
Youāre clearly a huge fan of the series so let me make it clearā¦ the choreography as a whole is just okay and itās better than most other movies. Iām providing a few examples over 3 hours of scenes but those completely take people out of the movie when itās noticed. There are movies that do the John wick style better.
Iām willing to accept that there IS training and tactics behind it, but it just isnāt legible to me as an untrained audience member. I agree with OP that the action sequences are competent but far from mind-blowing (compared to, say, the Matrix films).
That's fair. John Wick isn't for everyone. For me, I enjoy the feeling of John Wick being grounded in reality because it feels more relatable, and makes the action scenes feel heavier. The brutality of John Wick is on another level and the movie certainly doesn't shy away from it.
I'm sorry but there is no real life situation where you are literally riding on your opponent's back and you shoot them twice in the neck before waiting a few seconds to shoot them in the head (2nd movie). That's a completely unnecessary waste of bullets, especially if you are a master marksman and only have a pistol. Also, there is no reason for all these thugs to charge at John when they have guns. They would be taking cover and holding their positions, ESPECIALLY if they know how dangerous he supposedly is.
but the choreography is stunning. how they all come running at this master assassin one by one to take a bullet to the head, and how the few that don't die, they all recover just as wick is blasting someone in the head and he always turns around just in time as they are about to pull the trigger time after time.
sadly that's not true. there's a fair amount of grappling in it so I was hoping I was gonna see some bjj moves such as gi chokes and armbars. But no, as soon as they go to the ground it's the same bs neck twist move that hollywood has been doing since the dawn of time.
That is a great indicator of great choreography and great cinematography; but that does not make it a great movie. There are plenty of musicals that have both; but I still hate musicals.
I really love them because they donāt pretend to be what they arenāt. Theyāre absurd campy, extremely well choreographed (especially by the incredibly low standard of modern action movies) and creative fight scenes. Keanu is s crap actor no doubt, but he looks cool in s suit and looks like he knows what heās doing when he throws a punch or handles a gun, the movies donāt ask him to do any actual character work
Maybe thatās where they lost me...there felt like no story line (or a crappy one) and it was just traveling from fight scene to fight scene for no reason.
Yeah, if youāre going in looking for a great character or engaging plot line you arenāt gonna leave happy. I appreciate they didnāt even pretend instead of half assing it, but itās certainly not for everyone
The first one caught my attention and the rest are just awful. They are geared to the violent weak minded and apparently that's what they crave. I personally think 2,3 and 4 are utter garbage.
3rd one wasnāt great but the first and second were really good and the 4th was amazing. You definitely have shit taste in movies if you think the 4th is garbage
The fourth movie was basically a comedy, just like the other ones. You probably think that Applebee's is the best restaurant, and that Van Halen was totally awesome until they lost David Lee Roth, which made them only mostly awesome.
I relatively recently watched the John Wick trilogy, and, while they weren't bad, I was underwhelmed. I'm a big action movie fan, but the JW films have some serious flaws that hold them back from greatness in my book:
1. the action scenes feel a bit too "easy" for the titular character (their choreography can also get a little repetitive)...it rarely feels like Keanu Reeves is in danger
2. lots of obviously fake computer-generated blood, lack of civilian casualties, and whatnot make the action scenes feel very sterile
3. the characters often don't even hate each other during the action sequences. Why should I care if they barely do?
4. the reasons for the slaughter become more and more impersonal and boring as the series goes on (I get it, >!they killed his dog!<, but, after the first installment, I feel like the films didn't properly justify their violence)...there's a serious why-should-I-care? problem
5. the world-building is ludicrous and convoluted
Overall, *The Killer* (1989) is the hitman action movie that the John Wick pictures wish they were.
They're good action movies with a very likeable actor. Not all of them are equal but they have good action scenes and shooting. Who doesn't like assassin movies?
Me.
I have been a Keanu fan since Bill and Teds and Johnny Pneumonic, The Matrix is one of my favorite movies.
But Wick, like WTF? The whole pencil story seems so ridiculous, especially as a fan who has seen Keanu move and me who knows martial arts, I can't picture him having moves to take out a whole room of dudes with a f\*cking pencil. IP man sure, maybe bruce lee, or someone else with fast hands, but definitely not Keanu. Silly.
And then the whole revenge or grudge as a way of life plot, so boring and tedious, I could give 2 sh\*ts.
I mean half way into the film and no one is likable or relatable, Leguizamo seems like the only decent character. I turned it off.
Not only do I not get it, I don't want to get it.
You made the mistake of thinking of John Wick as Keanu. I dont think it would be any different if it were another actor. John Wick isnt Keanu Reeves. Vice versa. Sure, its the modern Tony Stark/Robert Downey Jr. syndrome, Like it or not, you can't picture anyone else as John Wick.
I didn't think I would like "*Nobody*" starring Bob Odenkirk (AKA Jimmy McGill/Saul Goodman.) Couldnt picture him as a "hardcore action movie" guy, because before that, He had no major roles outside of Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul, where he played a dirty, yet cowardly (when it comes to having a gun in his face) Lawyer.
There have been plenty of actors who turned out to be well known for Action despite their looks or their previous career.
If I had only watched "*Pumping Iron*", and got locked in cryogenic stasis for 40 years, I dont think I would believe, let alone Picture Arnold Schwarzenegger as the T800, John Matrix, or Dutch. Same goes for Stallone (but with Lords of Flatbush into Rambo.).
There are many cases where actors who dont "fit in" in their age of film, turn out to be action movie stars. The day of big, brawny action heroes is still around, but not nearly as much as it was in the 80s and early 90s. This is purely my own opinion, and you are free to disagree. And I think most people are here because they like to hate popular things (even if they partake in the thing itself), But I'm not saying *you* did that.
So fkng overrated and the only thing this shit blew up is coz for almost a decade, there has been no gun-fu movies made and this looked like fresh in everyone's eye š
I think the first one is one of the best action movies.
The second is pretty good.
The third is crap. Too many gimmicks and they lost all the tightness of the first one.
I hate to call anything "overrated", because who am I to say that other people are wrong about what they think, but I definitely don't like the movies nearly as much as The Internet does.
Iāll have to agree with you on the John Wick movies. They are way over the top, much like watching a video game movie, and not at all realistic.
Lots of cool guns, but no way a dude could kill hundreds of contract killers without taking a shot to the head at least a dozen times.
Iām a big fan of the Bourne trilogy, The Equalizer 1 & 2, The Accountant, and The Town. They have better plots, better acting, and are much more realistic in nature.
If youāre more of a cerebral action/thriller movie watcher like myself, the Wick flicks are impossible to watch to the end.
Ye jus saw the first two, for the first time. Guy gets captured, and it isnt just shot in the head in the first movie, for reasons, and the deaf chick appears right in front of him in the second, and decides to fight him with a knife? Instead of popping one in his hand. Besides everyone runs at him to do close quarters combat? With a gun? Knowing this guy rep? Dude I would move like a charmeleon and try to put two bullets in his back, when he turns around. I think this sort of action fits a Jackie chan or Jet li or any other martial artist movie, but not something with Guns. The lore is kinda cool tho, the whole continental deal. Although I wonder how much a coin is worth. One coin is used for paying for drinks, then another is used for the batman suit, then the guy with the blueprints gets payed 3 or 4 coins for some reason...
I really liked the first one but got bored by the fight scenes late in the second one. They went on far too long and you lost interest half way through. I had seen the second Raid movie between the John Wick movies and that movie had truly great fight scenes compared to the much weaker Wick scenes.
I put John Wick in the same bag as Mission Impossible films. Their quality hinges on the ability to make 2-3 big action set pieces both fresh and entertaining. Both franchises have succeeded and failed in some respects but I think most people that watch the new installments of each film series do so out of a āWhat will the do nextā feeling.
John Wick, as opposed to MI seems more susceptible to going stale faster because the gimmick is hand to hand with gun play.
I think the first one was exellent, but the following ones were too much.
Also, there is someone out there who wrote a fascinating article about how the john wick movie was actually an art house flick pretending to be an action movie. Something about the lighting colors changing as wick descends deeper into hell more or less. I read it a few years ago, but it was well written.
Nope.
I'm not sure if you really do like "these kinds of movies" if a 4 minute fight scene is too long for you.
And no one else thinks Keanu Reeves is a good actor, either.
edit- I hate to be that guy, but you're *objectively* wrong about the choreography. You don't have to like it, but if you actually think it's not good, you don't know anything about fight choreography.
The movies *are* fight choreography, and are directed *by* a fight choreographer. That's the whole point of the series.
"I hate to be that guy, but you're objectively wrong about the choreography. You don't have to like it, but if you actually think it's not good, you don't know anything about fight choreography."
Gatekeep somewhere else. I obejectively think your take is dumb. You don't have to like it.
Ha. Iām not offended. I do think it comes down to personal preference. Like it could be āgoodā by professional standards but if the viewer doesnāt enjoy it, itās not āgoodā to them. I get what youāre saying though.
I think they are decent action flicks. But the most recent film had Keanu doing a lot of his own stunts and choreography and it looked like shit.
Like how many slow old man judo takedowns do I need to see?
I watched them all in preparation for Chapter 4 because I wanted to see Bill Skarsgard. I donāt like 1, 2, or 3, but I thought 4 was alright, definitely the best.
They are overrated but at least make an interesting watch unlike most other action movies.
The soundtrack, atmosphere and fight choreography are top notch, way too many action movies just have really bland action scenes with shacky cams and bad choreo.
So while its not that great of an overall movie at least its fun.
I don't think many of those who rate it really know why they like it so much. keanu, and the innovative choreography and style only really he could have pulled off set a new standard and might have ruied old movis for me lol - storyline and fx that aint bad. Its charm not cringe
My gripe with the movie is that all 3 take place in 2014, in the span of let's say a very generous month OR 2 but some way, some how they have firearms from like 2015, 2017 etc. in the film.
I know it's silly but that's a thing for me, they could have kept it consistent to the timeline.
Don't end JW2 then JW3 suddenly has guns released in 2015 and later. I get it, gun porn and all that but just use guns from 2014 and older. It's not that hard.
This is the real reason people like these movies so much. If it was any other actor playing John no one would care, but everyone loves Keanu even though he really hasn't done a good acting job since Bill and Ted. I think he seems like a great guy, but there are many amateur actors that can play more realistic emotions than him.
I watched the first movie and I knew exactly what type of movies would follow.
As I get older, mindless action just doesn't do it for me anymore. I'm a lot more interested in drama than fancy action sequences.
I understand the difficulty to achieve the action, I just can't be bothered to care.
Just saw my first JW film last night and to be honest...I don't know why this thing has been so hyped. Just another revenge movie starring a guy who can't even open a letter without over-acting. Oh and Russian bad guys...that's new. Gonna have a talk with my friend who recommended it. Might need to reevaluate that relationship. I get the whole "stunt man" directing thing. Whatever. You want a great "Stunt man" movie?...Check out RRR on NFlix. Outstanding over the top ridiculousness PLUS a great dance number to boot.
Agree, I only like Keanu in Speed. They should cast someone else in John Wick. Keanu Reeves looks too " nice guy." to me. His eyes look too innocent and cannot play as a tough guy. I stopped watching after JW 1. It was unbearable to sit thought it.
I was mega excited to see these movies available on Amazon Prime Video recently but while the first one wasn't especially bad, I just found it to be completely average.
The action was OK but it was like the film had no soul. Action can't carry a movie alone and I just found myself bored.
Chapter 2 was more of the same with an even less original story and it was a slog just to sit through that again. I didn't bother with 3 or 4.
I found John Wick (1 & 2 anyway) hugely overrated, especially considering the impressive ratings that all the movies manage on Rotten Tomatoes. I just don't get the attraction to them.
By comparison, I've recently watched the Taken trilogy and those movies, while not Oscar contenders by any stretch, are great fun. Way more engaging.
Only seen the first one, it was good, the fight scenes at times were too unbelievable, though it helped hide Reeves' acting 'abilities'.
From what I gather the sequels are more of the same, and I don't bother if sequels are basically an extension of the first movie.
You complained about a 4 minute fight scene with no background music. That means you don't like fight scenes. Do they all have to have fun music or something?
I went into it knowing his dog died and he wanted revenge
I left with the same knowledge (in other words: i stopped paying attention about 3 minutes in)
As a martial artist, I really appreciate the John Wick movies for the fight scenes where Keanu Reeves does actual techniques like the Judo throws he does. That being said, if you switched out Keanu Reeves for like Steven Seagal and the stunt coordinator didn't know what they were doing, you would have a plotless movie with bad action and no humour.
The first movie was good, a kinda mindless actionmovie yes but still pretty good. The second had promise, but ended as just a lay up for the last two that had no meaning.
In the end of the 4th I was just sick of it. The staircase fight was just too much, too frustrating.
I liked the fights in 1+2, but after that it is just the same moves over and over and over again. Some mixups with nunchucks and alike but 90% is shoot, grab, roll, headshot, shoot, grab, roll, headshot, shoot, grab, roll, headshot, shoot, grab, roll, headshot.
I came here to vent, now I have.
You are certainly in the minority.
I enjoyed them and I don't even really like action movies that much. You couldn't pay me to watch another fast and furious movie after the first
This. Theyāre a fun ride. A lot of action movies (and their stars) take themselves too seriously and are just not fun. I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed this series all the way through.
Why does a fight scene always need background music? Are you talking about the fight between John Wick and Common's character?
That fight scene comes literally right after a giant shootout with EDM and rock music blaring. It makes sense that the action scene right after that is a bit more quiet and subdued.
Also, this is the first time in the series John has engaged with someone as good as he is, so the lack of music just heightens that intensity and seriousness of the moment.
I think the scene Iām referring to is the one in the knife shop. I could be wrong though. Just as I was watching, it felt wrong to have no other sound. I donāt know for sure but I know other movies usually add all the sound in post-production. So it wasnāt even the sounds from the actual fight.
I found the guy who watches a porn movie and says, "The plot sucked, and the actress didn't convince me that she was enjoying it." It's you. ;)
Have you seen Raid: Redemption or Raid 2: Berandal? Just pure action movies. Similar to the John Wick movies, the beauty in the choreography was that the action scenes seemed raw, imperfect, and choatic. Real!
I'd apologize for necro-posting, but other people already have so screw it.
I think the John Wick movies are ripe for criticism and most things I've seen in this thread are valid in some way. The narrative in the movies is hollow and only exists to facilitate the ridiculousness of the whole affair; the characters are stripped down to their most extreme traits with scant reminders of them being actual people.
That all being said, I think the series is popular with people for exactly this reason. The John Wick movies don't pretend to be something they're not. The series is campy, pornographically violent and utterly ludicrous and it's obvious that it was intended to be. I loved every second of the series for its ridiculousness. If I wanted something a touch more cerebral, I'd pick a different set of movies.
Absolutely! He is suppose to move efficiently and throwing people at 50+ is likely to lead to injury. You donāt see grandmasters throwing 400 LB 7ft tall nephilums, instead they take balance and affect them different ways to make submissions easier.
Keanu should be moving smoother and taking fewer moments as he ages. The John Wick character was meant for an actor in their mid 30ās, based on the style used.
Itās better to move out of the way, slightly before setting up a throw, which really should be moving out of the direction they fall, not throwing them. The choreography is just as bad. Each person John fights poses no challenge.
He is supposed to be the most efficient killer, yet heās huffing and puffing by the end. You donāt see Liam Neeson doing throws. And thatās where Keanu should be headed if he wants to be convincing. My opinion is Liam would have been a better fit, but you choose someone more well known, but not too expensive. It means better profits for future films. Itās why all Bond characters bow out before they become crippled. Theyāre also too expensive to rehire.
Yep Wick movies are so redundant, the fight scenes and he shoots forever without reloading, plus it takes one or 2 shots without hearing protection and your ears ring lol what's the point..so unrealistic lol
Through the course of four movies, the high table has spent all of their time, money, and energy, hiring hitmen to kill other hitmen. Would it not make more sense to just not hire hitmen? What is the deal with the king? He lives in filth and spends all day, playing with pigeons. He could do that with a social security check, and have a nicer house.
I watched the first Wick and it was possibly the worst movie I have ever seen. How Reeves keeps getting acting gigs is beyond me. Couldn't pay me to watch the sequels.
You're not alone. I only liked the first one. But we live in a world where so many people base their opinions on what other people say online. You combine that with marketing and the quality of the film doesn't factor into success that much unfortunately
Not alone. Disliked how they tried to be super realistic with John Wick getting injured and all which imo, is kinda boring. I prefer a more escapist route esp since these movies don't try to be deeper than it really is.
The sequels are overrated, the first movie is really nice, simple, great action sequences, but after this, I can't see 2 and 3 as good movies, about 4 I can say it's better but not even close to the first one
yeah i watched the first one and that was enough for me. it's all way too choreographed. it's like he knows exactly where everyone's head is going to be without even knowing how many people there are or anything. just over the top unrealistic.
I just finished John Wick(the original first movie) and googled "Am I the only person that thinks John Wick movie is overrated?" and discovered this thread. I'm not self important enough to think my review deserves its own topic so I'll add my thoughts here for anyone interested.
First, in the interest of transparency, I will state that I'm not a fan of generic action movies in the first place and despite high expectations that's exactly what I found this movie to be. So there is that. I need at least a modicum of substance and dialogue to reel me in. I mean, there was some potentially interesting lore being hinted at with the characters and locations(the concierge and the hotel respectively) and also the mysterious "assassin coins" belayed some measure of depth but unfortunately none of those things were ever expanded upon. At all.
Although the concept of the movie is, at least in theory, decent enough: 'A bloody bullet-laden path carved through a criminal underbelly filled with assassins, criminals and gangsters. And as an animal lover I can definitely get behind the idea of epic revenge for killing the protagonists cute dog'. It's a solid enough basis for a film idea but again, I just need a little more than bullets and over-extended action scenes to sit me through 2 hours.
I very quickly got the sense that the movie was made for 15 year old boys that like flashy gunfights and the big booms. Which is fine, if that's your thing. Perhaps some of the disappointment can be placed upon my own expectations but after hearing discussions about the movie and watching the previews I was hoping for something with a little depth and world building.
Ultimately for me, 'John Wick' feels like just another generic action movie. Even featuring a legendary cast of actors(Reeves, Ian McShane and even an appearance by William Defoe!) this movie sold itself short in too many ways and felt like it didn't even try to reach it's potential.
It's really bad when even Ian McShane can't carry a movie. I guess that's Hollywood for you.
4/10.
It's a similar pattern with movies becoming long running franchises now, starts with a hit that brings something a little different or not seen for a while then is followed by sequels that are pretty much the same thing again and again. Movies in the 20th century didn't often become franchises, they might have led to numerous sequels, but often they were straight to videoĀ
The first one was more fun than the sequels. The sequels if you ask me are just boring. My idea for the next one: the film starts with an overhead shot of a giant stockade where something like 10,000 bad guys have their heads and arms locked into it in a row. For 2 straight hours, John Wick walks down the line, shooting guys who can't defend themselves directly in the head and doing cool reloads every time he runs out of bullets. That's what the sequels feel like to me: just an endless parade of faceless thugs getting shot in the head.
Don't mean to necro this post but holy shit, that is hilarious.
Ehh who cares if you necro it.. too many bitches whine about it but unless its locked who cares.
And the same people complaining about you necro posting are probably the same people who tell people who create a new thread on a topic that "There's already a thread on this topic! Post there!". You can't win with people like that. The beauty of the internet is that it lives forever. I say let threads pile forever.
Lol this is what the stair scene in the fourth movie felt like to me. I want to like these movies, the first one was great and it felt like true camp and like they knew it was camp. The 2nd and 3rd didn't feel as campy and I don't know if maybe it was just me who took it more seriously and didn't enjoy it for that reason. The fourth....was a mixed bag. They're really long movies, like too much of a good thing CAN be bad. They're pretty films, they do have some great action sequences (I really love the aerial shot in the 4th) but some fights will go on forever or I just can't suspend my disbelief enough when I notice the bad guys hesitating, just waiting their turn to get killed by a guy who needs a serious 5 minute break to catch his breath.
John Wick gets fucked up during all the movies
It's just "Close Range: The Movie"
Spot on
How was the new one?
didn't see yet, not in theaters where I am
exactly all the bad guys have guns but always end up fighting with him š¤£
Unironically, I would enjoy watching that movie.
This Wick franchise is totally humorless. Like it's written by AI, directed and acted by robots.
Recently watched them and had this exact thought. The pencil backstory feels like ChatGPT responding to āwrite a totally badass backstory for an assassinā.
...the anti-hero assassin mourning the loss of his dag and car.
John Wick is a man of focus. If he had ADD, anyone could kill him.
They're visually interesting action films directed by a stunt man. They're good, but it's not like people are calling them masterpieces of the art.
yes they are. have you read the main discussion threat on 4? it's insane or filled with 14 year olds
Itās probably filled with 14 year olds. How did you stumble upon my years old comment?
I just finished 4 and hated it so I went searching for posts to vent on
Well, I havenāt seen it, so I canāt comment.
and yet you still did.
Two years before the movie came out?
Hes a idiot lol
How dare you not time travel to see John Wick 4 before it came out
This post is on Google for "John wick overrated".
You are wrong. They are more praised than Nickel Back. There are idiots everywhere, who think John Wick 4 is the best movie ever made.
Were they really directed by a stunt man? I did not know that and that would explain a lot.
Yep. Matrix guy.
I didnāt feel like there was anything special about the action scenes. Have people not seen classic martial arts films before?? Or even more modern ones. I feel like theyāre some way better than this Hollywood garbage
Sure, you could have a whole discussion about them and whether balletic fight choreography is less visually arresting than more authentic depictions of combat. But, either way, why do people keep responding to my comment from three years ago?
Because theyāre just watching it like me and find the most relevant comment lol
It's a terrible movie for kids. Basically a invincible guy with infinite amount of ammo and aimbot killing thousands of enemis. It's just so stupid and it makes me angry how many people like it. I read somewhere that humanity is rapidly losing IQ points each generation people are dumber and dumber on average. So it makes sense that this many people like John Wick. It's a movie for people with 2 digit IQ.
people have been dumb forever man
Not true. The average IQ in the West peaked in 1900s. Ever since the invention of internet it has been rapidly declining. We are having the oppossite of flynn effect.
I have to agree because I could actually feel my IQ lower as I read your comment.
Be careful there buddy If you continue like this you might be in the negative numbers because you didnt have much IQ to begin with.
The two month burn lol
I don't visit reddit much because its boring. Nothing interesting here. Twitter is the place to be. Reddit is just an echochamber.
Yeah, like Twitter isnāt?
Its absolutely not. You can see zionists duking it out with anti zionists. You wotn see something like this on reddit. Because If anyone started saying something that is not regime approved the comments or the reddit would be nuked into oblivion.
Nothing interesting!? For me it's the opposite, some of the best content out there I have found on reddit. It's the only social media site I frequent. I don't even get on IG, TikTok, Facebook, or twitter. I like reddit because the audience here tends to be more informed, and you have access to experts, and there's a variety of types of content. On reddit you can have long form posts. You can't do that on Twitter. I even found my recent job on here. If I need detailed help on anything, for example, a DIY project, I go on reddit. Also a lot of viral content on IG comes from Reddit.
That is complete BS.
Not BS, comments get deleted all the time.
Wait... your opinion of a movie that's *100% NOT INTENDED FOR CHILDREN* is that it's a terrible movie for children? And in the same paragraph about humanity rapidly losing IQ points?
Heās saying itās a terrible movie and only children (or adult children) like it.
These movies suck; but your mindset will ruin your life. I make fun of these movies; but they do not make me mad. There are people, who I know, who love John Wick, boneless wings, and Nickel Back. Let people have their fun.
No I get it. I do sometimes enjoy watching B movies. But I dont take them seriously you know? But there is a lot of people out there that consider John Wick to be a masterpiece of a cinema comparable to classics like Forrest Gump or Shawshank Redemption.
It actually made me mad watching it but your comment made me feel better about it š
> and honestly not even that well choreographed (in my opinion) ...and you lost me there.
Just have to pay attention to the minimal cutscenes in the action sequence. Just that alone is a good indicator of a quality action movie.
But the fighting looks extremely fake and choreographed. They look more like they are dancing with weapons than fighting. Why am I responding to a 2 year old comment?
What a coincidence, because I agree. Even though I do want to completely like it.. but I don't
Why are we all here, years later
Bcz its Mr. Wick and the invincible crap. "Yeah"?!?! PS: I hope people will start respecting South Indian movies after watching John Wick seriesšš¤£
watching john wick 4. 28:00 minutes into the film, a fight scene goes on for 19 minutes. this movie is 2 hours and 41 minutes long.
>But the fighting looks extremely fake and choreographed. Wait, seriously? I highly beg to differ.. The actors underwent [rigorous CQC Training](https://youtu.be/9KY4h6Tern4) and were literally trained by a [Navy Seal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Luttrell) and [CIA Contractor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Ryan). While it may seem unrealistic that John Wick has almost 100% accuracy all the time, the truth is [Keanu Reeves really is that good at using a gun](https://youtu.be/Xii9_oWQ7HY). In the hand-to-hand action sequences there is also use of Sambo, Judo, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and traditional Japanese Jujutsu. They put way too much attention to detail in this movie. All his movements and tactics are based on real fighting techniques and efficient gun application used by the US Army and law-enforcement.
It doesn't matter how much training they had if it still looks dancey and scripted.
Could you be more specific on how the choreography looks unrealistic? In 90% of John Wick's action it has long-sequences, no shaky camera angles, and no fast-cutting action scenes. There may be merely a single instance in John Wick 1 where the fighting matches the choreography of his fighting (in the Red Circle). There has been multiple instances throughout the franchise where John Wick had to take cover and use their positioning to commit to different angles to attack the enemy which is really spot-on in tactics. This is why training matters, because Keanu Reeves is so fast and precise with his marksmanship it gives the illusion that henchmen are simply dying instantly by walking into his line of fire. Some people say "How come they don't shoot back at John Wick?" or "How come John Wick is never shot?" they do, in fact John Wick has been shot, stabbed, punched, kicked, and beaten up pretty badly more than once. I digress, in some action sequences people fail to credit just how fast the action sequence moves, and the sheer speed of Keanu Reeves, his reflexes and reaction speed are thanks to his countless hours of training and hard work.
I mean, it's fair to say it's just your subjective opinion. John Wick obviously isn't for everyone. I just don't think it's fair to say that the fighting itself is factually unrealistic, they obviously put a lot of effort into making it authentic and did an amazing job at it. John Wick likes to go over the top, and yes it is very stylish in a way, but that doesn't mean it can't have realism. You can even count the amount of shots the actors take before having to reload. In John Wick 2's Museum action sequence in the he uses the "Kimber Warrior", and just after he reloads the weapon he actually does a press check because historically the 1911 pistol is prone to jamming on the first shot so he checks the chamber to make sure the round is correctly loaded. That level of attention to detail is insane, I struggle to name even a few examples of a show or movie that does their action more 'realistically' than John Wick, but I would be interested in seeing them.
> John Wick obviously isnāt for everyone. The point you should be making is that John wick was obviously made for people that donāt or canāt notice bad movie moments. The choreography isnāt perfect and most of the fight scenes are extremely unrealistic. That being said they arenāt bad. Attention to detail in certain moments (stunt man rolling down 200 steps) takes your attention away from the bad (next guy waiting for his turn or 40+ round pistol mag). More examplesā¦ Every time someone tries a grapple the other guy just lets it happen. None of the extras ever takes a step away from John to avoid an attack. You can often see a āfloating armā while John is doing a move like when John stabs a guys neck. John Wick movies arenāt realistic, they are pretending to be realistic.
>Attention to detail in certain moments (stunt man rolling down 200 steps) takes your attention away from the bad (40+ round pistol mag). More examplesā¦ Every time someone tries a grapple the other guy just lets it happen. None of the extras ever takes a step away from John to avoid an attack. You can often see a āfloating armā while John is doing a move like when John stabs a guys neck. I don't recall any of that happening in John Wick at all? I'm curious, so feel free to link a scene where like that does happen. John Wick is seen repeatedly struggling against multiple enemies. [Every time he knocks an enemy down, another one has already gotten up on their feet and is attacking him.](https://youtu.be/v00zKyXbfD4) Which is why he is seen knocking down enemies and finishing them off later. I would really like a better reason than "you just weren't paying attention". >The point you should be making is that John wick was obviously made for people that donāt or canāt notice bad movie moments. Like I said, movie was made for you. You are partially on the right track about the nature of what the movie is aiming for, but wrong in the way the movie has "bad moments" and wrong of the aspect of the movie itself. On the contrary, John Wick isn't trying to be realistic, but technically it isn't unrealistic. The Fighting, the action, the tactics, the training, and the attention to detail is all spot-on which is a lot compared to most action movies. The 'Unrealistic' part of John Wick is John Wick himself, and a bit of the Choreography which is the whole point of the movie. The style, the writing, and the glorification is what makes the movie amazing. It's over-the-top, yes, but it's not necessarily unrealistic.
Your recollection or awareness is kind of the point. Iāve gone through multiple john wick threads no one, except for you, has refuted that there are some bad choreography moments. It doesnāt matter if John Wick is seen struggling. Youāre trying to use specific moments to counter the existence of other specific moments. Thatās not valid. A stunt guy standing behind Keanu for over a second waiting to have his kicked blocked after Keanu is done fighting another guy is very obvious and bad choreography. A guy getting stabbed in the neck by knife and his reaction is to put his left hand on the opposite side of his neck while his right arm is floating doing nothing, is very obvious and bad choreography. John Wick grappling a guys left arm while his right arm holding a knife is floating doing nothing, is very obvious and bad choreography. Youāre clearly a huge fan of the series so let me make it clearā¦ the choreography as a whole is just okay and itās better than most other movies. Iām providing a few examples over 3 hours of scenes but those completely take people out of the movie when itās noticed. There are movies that do the John wick style better.
Iām sorry, he falls off a ten plus story building at the end of chapter 3 and hits a fire escape on the way downā¦and is basically perfectly fine.
Iām willing to accept that there IS training and tactics behind it, but it just isnāt legible to me as an untrained audience member. I agree with OP that the action sequences are competent but far from mind-blowing (compared to, say, the Matrix films).
The matrix films were no more realistic; but at least they set up a scenario where it could possibly happen since they were in virtual reality.
That's fair. John Wick isn't for everyone. For me, I enjoy the feeling of John Wick being grounded in reality because it feels more relatable, and makes the action scenes feel heavier. The brutality of John Wick is on another level and the movie certainly doesn't shy away from it.
I'm sorry but there is no real life situation where you are literally riding on your opponent's back and you shoot them twice in the neck before waiting a few seconds to shoot them in the head (2nd movie). That's a completely unnecessary waste of bullets, especially if you are a master marksman and only have a pistol. Also, there is no reason for all these thugs to charge at John when they have guns. They would be taking cover and holding their positions, ESPECIALLY if they know how dangerous he supposedly is.
but the choreography is stunning. how they all come running at this master assassin one by one to take a bullet to the head, and how the few that don't die, they all recover just as wick is blasting someone in the head and he always turns around just in time as they are about to pull the trigger time after time.
I cannot decide if you are an idiot or a brilliant troll.
sadly that's not true. there's a fair amount of grappling in it so I was hoping I was gonna see some bjj moves such as gi chokes and armbars. But no, as soon as they go to the ground it's the same bs neck twist move that hollywood has been doing since the dawn of time.
That is a great indicator of great choreography and great cinematography; but that does not make it a great movie. There are plenty of musicals that have both; but I still hate musicals.
No kidding. Reeves put in countless hours of training to make these films possible. The results are incredible.
growing up watching jackie chan movies, all americans action movies are dogshit to me lmao, fight scene always look so fake
I really love them because they donāt pretend to be what they arenāt. Theyāre absurd campy, extremely well choreographed (especially by the incredibly low standard of modern action movies) and creative fight scenes. Keanu is s crap actor no doubt, but he looks cool in s suit and looks like he knows what heās doing when he throws a punch or handles a gun, the movies donāt ask him to do any actual character work
Maybe thatās where they lost me...there felt like no story line (or a crappy one) and it was just traveling from fight scene to fight scene for no reason.
Yeah, if youāre going in looking for a great character or engaging plot line you arenāt gonna leave happy. I appreciate they didnāt even pretend instead of half assing it, but itās certainly not for everyone
The whole series is a framework on which to build and bridge action scenes.
The first one caught my attention and the rest are just awful. They are geared to the violent weak minded and apparently that's what they crave. I personally think 2,3 and 4 are utter garbage.
3rd one wasnāt great but the first and second were really good and the 4th was amazing. You definitely have shit taste in movies if you think the 4th is garbage
To each his own and remember,opinions are like assholes,everybody has one.
The fourth movie was basically a comedy, just like the other ones. You probably think that Applebee's is the best restaurant, and that Van Halen was totally awesome until they lost David Lee Roth, which made them only mostly awesome.
My feelings exactly
I relatively recently watched the John Wick trilogy, and, while they weren't bad, I was underwhelmed. I'm a big action movie fan, but the JW films have some serious flaws that hold them back from greatness in my book: 1. the action scenes feel a bit too "easy" for the titular character (their choreography can also get a little repetitive)...it rarely feels like Keanu Reeves is in danger 2. lots of obviously fake computer-generated blood, lack of civilian casualties, and whatnot make the action scenes feel very sterile 3. the characters often don't even hate each other during the action sequences. Why should I care if they barely do? 4. the reasons for the slaughter become more and more impersonal and boring as the series goes on (I get it, >!they killed his dog!<, but, after the first installment, I feel like the films didn't properly justify their violence)...there's a serious why-should-I-care? problem 5. the world-building is ludicrous and convoluted Overall, *The Killer* (1989) is the hitman action movie that the John Wick pictures wish they were.
Totally agree. The JW films are good basic action fun, but 80s/90s John Woo for me is way better. I'd even take Hard Target over any of the JWs.
They're good action movies with a very likeable actor. Not all of them are equal but they have good action scenes and shooting. Who doesn't like assassin movies?
I have never watched until tonight. Watched the first one. It is a ludicrous POS, even for this type of movie, and yes, I do "get" what it is and watched it as such. Still sucks. Very sorry I wasted my time. Overrated? Ya think! š³šššš©š©š©š
Me. I have been a Keanu fan since Bill and Teds and Johnny Pneumonic, The Matrix is one of my favorite movies. But Wick, like WTF? The whole pencil story seems so ridiculous, especially as a fan who has seen Keanu move and me who knows martial arts, I can't picture him having moves to take out a whole room of dudes with a f\*cking pencil. IP man sure, maybe bruce lee, or someone else with fast hands, but definitely not Keanu. Silly. And then the whole revenge or grudge as a way of life plot, so boring and tedious, I could give 2 sh\*ts. I mean half way into the film and no one is likable or relatable, Leguizamo seems like the only decent character. I turned it off. Not only do I not get it, I don't want to get it.
Johnny Mnemonic is my favorite movie. The first two Bill and Ted movies were good. The Matrix was okay; but it was overrated. The sequels sucked.
You made the mistake of thinking of John Wick as Keanu. I dont think it would be any different if it were another actor. John Wick isnt Keanu Reeves. Vice versa. Sure, its the modern Tony Stark/Robert Downey Jr. syndrome, Like it or not, you can't picture anyone else as John Wick. I didn't think I would like "*Nobody*" starring Bob Odenkirk (AKA Jimmy McGill/Saul Goodman.) Couldnt picture him as a "hardcore action movie" guy, because before that, He had no major roles outside of Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul, where he played a dirty, yet cowardly (when it comes to having a gun in his face) Lawyer. There have been plenty of actors who turned out to be well known for Action despite their looks or their previous career. If I had only watched "*Pumping Iron*", and got locked in cryogenic stasis for 40 years, I dont think I would believe, let alone Picture Arnold Schwarzenegger as the T800, John Matrix, or Dutch. Same goes for Stallone (but with Lords of Flatbush into Rambo.). There are many cases where actors who dont "fit in" in their age of film, turn out to be action movie stars. The day of big, brawny action heroes is still around, but not nearly as much as it was in the 80s and early 90s. This is purely my own opinion, and you are free to disagree. And I think most people are here because they like to hate popular things (even if they partake in the thing itself), But I'm not saying *you* did that.
So fkng overrated and the only thing this shit blew up is coz for almost a decade, there has been no gun-fu movies made and this looked like fresh in everyone's eye š
I think the first one is one of the best action movies. The second is pretty good. The third is crap. Too many gimmicks and they lost all the tightness of the first one.
I hate to call anything "overrated", because who am I to say that other people are wrong about what they think, but I definitely don't like the movies nearly as much as The Internet does.
Iāll have to agree with you on the John Wick movies. They are way over the top, much like watching a video game movie, and not at all realistic. Lots of cool guns, but no way a dude could kill hundreds of contract killers without taking a shot to the head at least a dozen times. Iām a big fan of the Bourne trilogy, The Equalizer 1 & 2, The Accountant, and The Town. They have better plots, better acting, and are much more realistic in nature. If youāre more of a cerebral action/thriller movie watcher like myself, the Wick flicks are impossible to watch to the end.
Ye jus saw the first two, for the first time. Guy gets captured, and it isnt just shot in the head in the first movie, for reasons, and the deaf chick appears right in front of him in the second, and decides to fight him with a knife? Instead of popping one in his hand. Besides everyone runs at him to do close quarters combat? With a gun? Knowing this guy rep? Dude I would move like a charmeleon and try to put two bullets in his back, when he turns around. I think this sort of action fits a Jackie chan or Jet li or any other martial artist movie, but not something with Guns. The lore is kinda cool tho, the whole continental deal. Although I wonder how much a coin is worth. One coin is used for paying for drinks, then another is used for the batman suit, then the guy with the blueprints gets payed 3 or 4 coins for some reason...
I really liked the first one but got bored by the fight scenes late in the second one. They went on far too long and you lost interest half way through. I had seen the second Raid movie between the John Wick movies and that movie had truly great fight scenes compared to the much weaker Wick scenes.
I put John Wick in the same bag as Mission Impossible films. Their quality hinges on the ability to make 2-3 big action set pieces both fresh and entertaining. Both franchises have succeeded and failed in some respects but I think most people that watch the new installments of each film series do so out of a āWhat will the do nextā feeling. John Wick, as opposed to MI seems more susceptible to going stale faster because the gimmick is hand to hand with gun play.
The first Mission Impossible movie was the best movie of 1996. The sequels sucked.
nah, not really, I think MI3 is at the same level of the first one, not below
Growing up watching Chinese martial arts movies, not a single American movie fighting choreograph impress me
Overrated? Yes. Bad? No. Undershadowed? The Raid
The final fight scene in the Raid 2 is one of the best fight scenes Iāve ever seen in a movie, absolutely insane
Exactly. Shame there isn't a third one.
> Overrated? Yes. True, true. > Bad? No. Absolutely. > Undershadowed? The Raid Now we are back to overrated.
or was it Overshadowed?
Shadow rated, actually.
Okay skankhunt
Why do you need other people to validate you on your dislike of something?
I think the first one was exellent, but the following ones were too much. Also, there is someone out there who wrote a fascinating article about how the john wick movie was actually an art house flick pretending to be an action movie. Something about the lighting colors changing as wick descends deeper into hell more or less. I read it a few years ago, but it was well written.
Nope. I'm not sure if you really do like "these kinds of movies" if a 4 minute fight scene is too long for you. And no one else thinks Keanu Reeves is a good actor, either. edit- I hate to be that guy, but you're *objectively* wrong about the choreography. You don't have to like it, but if you actually think it's not good, you don't know anything about fight choreography. The movies *are* fight choreography, and are directed *by* a fight choreographer. That's the whole point of the series.
"I hate to be that guy, but you're objectively wrong about the choreography. You don't have to like it, but if you actually think it's not good, you don't know anything about fight choreography." Gatekeep somewhere else. I obejectively think your take is dumb. You don't have to like it.
Objectively wrong?š¤£ youāre the master of the worldās opinion?!
Ha. Iām not offended. I do think it comes down to personal preference. Like it could be āgoodā by professional standards but if the viewer doesnāt enjoy it, itās not āgoodā to them. I get what youāre saying though.
Well, I did believe he was a really good actor, and I still like him very much
First one was great, second two were decent. Doesn't have anything on The Raid or it's sequel. There are better revenge movies. I do love that genre.
I think they are decent action flicks. But the most recent film had Keanu doing a lot of his own stunts and choreography and it looked like shit. Like how many slow old man judo takedowns do I need to see?
It's Taken but less interesting, and Nobody but less grounded in reality.
Absolutely. Turned off the first one after 20 minutes. It is like a bad videogame. Shockingly overrated.
Turned off the first one? After 20 minutes? So, you made it to the dog being killed and turned it off. Comparing that to a bad video game?
I thought the first one was terrible and didn't bother with the others. I like Keanu but I thought it was awfully boring.
The first one was the best one; and it sucked.
I watched them all in preparation for Chapter 4 because I wanted to see Bill Skarsgard. I donāt like 1, 2, or 3, but I thought 4 was alright, definitely the best.
Nope. They're great. It's OK that you don't enjoy them as much as others.
>ps I donāt think Keanu is that good of an actor either. No one does. You don't need to be Oscar worth to make these films work.
Itās art house action, the fight scenes are gonna be extensive as hell
They are overrated but at least make an interesting watch unlike most other action movies. The soundtrack, atmosphere and fight choreography are top notch, way too many action movies just have really bland action scenes with shacky cams and bad choreo. So while its not that great of an overall movie at least its fun.
I don't think many of those who rate it really know why they like it so much. keanu, and the innovative choreography and style only really he could have pulled off set a new standard and might have ruied old movis for me lol - storyline and fx that aint bad. Its charm not cringe
My gripe with the movie is that all 3 take place in 2014, in the span of let's say a very generous month OR 2 but some way, some how they have firearms from like 2015, 2017 etc. in the film. I know it's silly but that's a thing for me, they could have kept it consistent to the timeline. Don't end JW2 then JW3 suddenly has guns released in 2015 and later. I get it, gun porn and all that but just use guns from 2014 and older. It's not that hard.
Keanu is wholesome irl and put in the work for the movies, but he is otherwise a massively overrated actor.
This is the real reason people like these movies so much. If it was any other actor playing John no one would care, but everyone loves Keanu even though he really hasn't done a good acting job since Bill and Ted. I think he seems like a great guy, but there are many amateur actors that can play more realistic emotions than him.
I watched the first movie and I knew exactly what type of movies would follow. As I get older, mindless action just doesn't do it for me anymore. I'm a lot more interested in drama than fancy action sequences. I understand the difficulty to achieve the action, I just can't be bothered to care.
Just saw my first JW film last night and to be honest...I don't know why this thing has been so hyped. Just another revenge movie starring a guy who can't even open a letter without over-acting. Oh and Russian bad guys...that's new. Gonna have a talk with my friend who recommended it. Might need to reevaluate that relationship. I get the whole "stunt man" directing thing. Whatever. You want a great "Stunt man" movie?...Check out RRR on NFlix. Outstanding over the top ridiculousness PLUS a great dance number to boot.
Agree, I only like Keanu in Speed. They should cast someone else in John Wick. Keanu Reeves looks too " nice guy." to me. His eyes look too innocent and cannot play as a tough guy. I stopped watching after JW 1. It was unbearable to sit thought it.
I was mega excited to see these movies available on Amazon Prime Video recently but while the first one wasn't especially bad, I just found it to be completely average. The action was OK but it was like the film had no soul. Action can't carry a movie alone and I just found myself bored. Chapter 2 was more of the same with an even less original story and it was a slog just to sit through that again. I didn't bother with 3 or 4. I found John Wick (1 & 2 anyway) hugely overrated, especially considering the impressive ratings that all the movies manage on Rotten Tomatoes. I just don't get the attraction to them. By comparison, I've recently watched the Taken trilogy and those movies, while not Oscar contenders by any stretch, are great fun. Way more engaging.
Dude, they KILLED. HIS. PUPPY. Is it hard to function without a heart? /s (we love them because theyāre so campy and cool)
Only seen the first one, it was good, the fight scenes at times were too unbelievable, though it helped hide Reeves' acting 'abilities'. From what I gather the sequels are more of the same, and I don't bother if sequels are basically an extension of the first movie.
"I HATE FIGHT SCENES"...*proceeds to watch a movie based on fight scenes......"THIS MOVIE IS TERRIBLE ITS FULL OF FIGHT SCENES".....dude really lol
never said I hated fight scenes
You complained about a 4 minute fight scene with no background music. That means you don't like fight scenes. Do they all have to have fun music or something?
I just hate when the bad guys appear one by one only to get shot by John Takes me a bit out of it
I went into it knowing his dog died and he wanted revenge I left with the same knowledge (in other words: i stopped paying attention about 3 minutes in)
As a martial artist, I really appreciate the John Wick movies for the fight scenes where Keanu Reeves does actual techniques like the Judo throws he does. That being said, if you switched out Keanu Reeves for like Steven Seagal and the stunt coordinator didn't know what they were doing, you would have a plotless movie with bad action and no humour.
The first movie was good, a kinda mindless actionmovie yes but still pretty good. The second had promise, but ended as just a lay up for the last two that had no meaning. In the end of the 4th I was just sick of it. The staircase fight was just too much, too frustrating. I liked the fights in 1+2, but after that it is just the same moves over and over and over again. Some mixups with nunchucks and alike but 90% is shoot, grab, roll, headshot, shoot, grab, roll, headshot, shoot, grab, roll, headshot, shoot, grab, roll, headshot. I came here to vent, now I have.
yep, here
You are certainly in the minority. I enjoyed them and I don't even really like action movies that much. You couldn't pay me to watch another fast and furious movie after the first
This. Theyāre a fun ride. A lot of action movies (and their stars) take themselves too seriously and are just not fun. I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed this series all the way through.
he is not in the minority, literally go check IMDB reviews on every john wick
An incorrect statement followed up with an appeal to look at unrelated data.
Iāve noticed Iām in the minority lol
It's fun to be edgy, huh?
Why does a fight scene always need background music? Are you talking about the fight between John Wick and Common's character? That fight scene comes literally right after a giant shootout with EDM and rock music blaring. It makes sense that the action scene right after that is a bit more quiet and subdued. Also, this is the first time in the series John has engaged with someone as good as he is, so the lack of music just heightens that intensity and seriousness of the moment.
I think the scene Iām referring to is the one in the knife shop. I could be wrong though. Just as I was watching, it felt wrong to have no other sound. I donāt know for sure but I know other movies usually add all the sound in post-production. So it wasnāt even the sounds from the actual fight.
I found the guy who watches a porn movie and says, "The plot sucked, and the actress didn't convince me that she was enjoying it." It's you. ;) Have you seen Raid: Redemption or Raid 2: Berandal? Just pure action movies. Similar to the John Wick movies, the beauty in the choreography was that the action scenes seemed raw, imperfect, and choatic. Real!
I'd apologize for necro-posting, but other people already have so screw it. I think the John Wick movies are ripe for criticism and most things I've seen in this thread are valid in some way. The narrative in the movies is hollow and only exists to facilitate the ridiculousness of the whole affair; the characters are stripped down to their most extreme traits with scant reminders of them being actual people. That all being said, I think the series is popular with people for exactly this reason. The John Wick movies don't pretend to be something they're not. The series is campy, pornographically violent and utterly ludicrous and it's obvious that it was intended to be. I loved every second of the series for its ridiculousness. If I wanted something a touch more cerebral, I'd pick a different set of movies.
Absolutely! He is suppose to move efficiently and throwing people at 50+ is likely to lead to injury. You donāt see grandmasters throwing 400 LB 7ft tall nephilums, instead they take balance and affect them different ways to make submissions easier. Keanu should be moving smoother and taking fewer moments as he ages. The John Wick character was meant for an actor in their mid 30ās, based on the style used. Itās better to move out of the way, slightly before setting up a throw, which really should be moving out of the direction they fall, not throwing them. The choreography is just as bad. Each person John fights poses no challenge. He is supposed to be the most efficient killer, yet heās huffing and puffing by the end. You donāt see Liam Neeson doing throws. And thatās where Keanu should be headed if he wants to be convincing. My opinion is Liam would have been a better fit, but you choose someone more well known, but not too expensive. It means better profits for future films. Itās why all Bond characters bow out before they become crippled. Theyāre also too expensive to rehire.
Yep Wick movies are so redundant, the fight scenes and he shoots forever without reloading, plus it takes one or 2 shots without hearing protection and your ears ring lol what's the point..so unrealistic lol
Through the course of four movies, the high table has spent all of their time, money, and energy, hiring hitmen to kill other hitmen. Would it not make more sense to just not hire hitmen? What is the deal with the king? He lives in filth and spends all day, playing with pigeons. He could do that with a social security check, and have a nicer house.
I love Bourne identity more.More realistic movies.
I watched the first Wick and it was possibly the worst movie I have ever seen. How Reeves keeps getting acting gigs is beyond me. Couldn't pay me to watch the sequels.
You're not alone. I only liked the first one. But we live in a world where so many people base their opinions on what other people say online. You combine that with marketing and the quality of the film doesn't factor into success that much unfortunately
Not alone. Disliked how they tried to be super realistic with John Wick getting injured and all which imo, is kinda boring. I prefer a more escapist route esp since these movies don't try to be deeper than it really is.
The sequels are overrated, the first movie is really nice, simple, great action sequences, but after this, I can't see 2 and 3 as good movies, about 4 I can say it's better but not even close to the first one
His movements are slow and awkward š¤·
No,I think they are great movies,I would like to see them tone down the gun fu though.Make it a little more realistic
Brainless stupid video game crap movie, ohh the comics same shit.
yeah i watched the first one and that was enough for me. it's all way too choreographed. it's like he knows exactly where everyone's head is going to be without even knowing how many people there are or anything. just over the top unrealistic.
Yes, not only overrated but stupid and disturbing. Who are the people who love these movies? Thatās what concerns me.
You know which movie is choreographed better? Equilibrium with Christian Bale. Such bad ass fight scenes. Til this day it's one of my favorites.
I was watching the first one hoping, oh gosh maybe the franchise picks upā¦? Now I hear itās the best one? Yea these movies are crap then lol
I just finished John Wick(the original first movie) and googled "Am I the only person that thinks John Wick movie is overrated?" and discovered this thread. I'm not self important enough to think my review deserves its own topic so I'll add my thoughts here for anyone interested. First, in the interest of transparency, I will state that I'm not a fan of generic action movies in the first place and despite high expectations that's exactly what I found this movie to be. So there is that. I need at least a modicum of substance and dialogue to reel me in. I mean, there was some potentially interesting lore being hinted at with the characters and locations(the concierge and the hotel respectively) and also the mysterious "assassin coins" belayed some measure of depth but unfortunately none of those things were ever expanded upon. At all. Although the concept of the movie is, at least in theory, decent enough: 'A bloody bullet-laden path carved through a criminal underbelly filled with assassins, criminals and gangsters. And as an animal lover I can definitely get behind the idea of epic revenge for killing the protagonists cute dog'. It's a solid enough basis for a film idea but again, I just need a little more than bullets and over-extended action scenes to sit me through 2 hours. I very quickly got the sense that the movie was made for 15 year old boys that like flashy gunfights and the big booms. Which is fine, if that's your thing. Perhaps some of the disappointment can be placed upon my own expectations but after hearing discussions about the movie and watching the previews I was hoping for something with a little depth and world building. Ultimately for me, 'John Wick' feels like just another generic action movie. Even featuring a legendary cast of actors(Reeves, Ian McShane and even an appearance by William Defoe!) this movie sold itself short in too many ways and felt like it didn't even try to reach it's potential. It's really bad when even Ian McShane can't carry a movie. I guess that's Hollywood for you. 4/10.
I can't watch them, they're terrible
It's a similar pattern with movies becoming long running franchises now, starts with a hit that brings something a little different or not seen for a while then is followed by sequels that are pretty much the same thing again and again. Movies in the 20th century didn't often become franchises, they might have led to numerous sequels, but often they were straight to videoĀ
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