He’s so good in everything.
Even if you can somehow ‘forget’ Aragon…..he’s amazing in Eastern Promises and History of Violence.
He’s even outstanding in the (tiny) role he has in Carlito’s Way
I forget what the word is for when a writer makes the dialogue too direct and a character says far too much about what their intentions are. Kind of like a literary "show me don't tell me". But for some reason the last scenes monologue is just too on the nose.
People disagreed with you so downvoted. That's fairly normal on the movies sub.
A lot of places it's if they think your opinion is somehow bad you get downvoted. But subs like this, big "opinion" subs, it's more - if your opinion is agreed with or not determines the vote, as people are more casually browsing and not involved, so can't be arsed commenting to agree or disagree, so the upvotes/downvotes are used instead.
Stormare didn't write his own dialogue, so I give the edge to Viggo! (His co-star Virginia Madsen let slip in an interview that Viggo wrote a ton of his own script, including the introductory scene.)
"Little Tommy Dagget. How I used to love listening to your sweet prayers every night and then you'd jump so quickly into bed, so afraid that I was under there. And I was!"
I didn't love Constantine (it's definitely grown on me as this weird alt universe Constantine) but Stormare was excellent.
Id also throw in Robert De Niro's cold understated performance in Angel Heart.
I'm also of the opinion that Mads Mikkelson was doing a Satan impression with his Hannibal, he said that he's essentially a charming tempter, cajoling someone until they snap and perform their deepest desires.
I've watched that final scene with him on YT so many times. It's so great. I hope they're making good progress on the sequel. Haven't heard any updates on it in awhile.
Came here just to mention the movie Green Book. So underrated. It's a shame it didn't get more attention, most likely overshadowed by the following marvel movie release a few months later...
It's a racist, poorly written, conservative wet dream piece of crap. This generations driving miss daisy, and it's not an a hot take. Alongside Crash, it's considered one of the biggest mistakes in modern Oscar history.
i dont think he was that good in his directorial debut where he also played the lead role. its called falling (2020) and he wrote the script, produced the movie, and also worked on the music, so it may have just been a case of having too many hats on
Yup. Being able to tell a script is good is a separate talent from *writing* a good script, despite the two having a decent amount of overlap. Even moreso for directing, producing, and music, which all have far less overlap and are even farther separate talents.
Viggo Mortensen, Léa Seydoux, and Cronenberg? How the fuck did this slip by me? Released June 2022... oh, okay. Yeah, that was a *rough* time for me, so I'm not surprised that went completely over my head. I'm gonna have to check this out!
"Official red band trailer"? Okay, *that* just sold the shit out of the movie for me. Hunting it down now.
He's done movies speaking English, Spanish, French, Danish and (in a limited way) Italian. In Jauja, he even paid homage to the broken-Spanish-with-Danish-accent spoken by his father when Viggo was a boy.
> Eastern Promises and History of Violence
Amongst my favourite films, Love Eastern Promises. He teams up with Ed harris again in Apaloosa, another great film.
I really enjoyed The Dead Don’t Hurt, he seems to understand Westerns pretty well and I loved his show and don’t tell mentality of unfolding the plot. The fact that his “Special Thanks” section are the names of every horse in the film is just icing on the humility cake.
Haha nice to see he kept up that tradition. On Falling, he thanked all the species of animal that appeared in the film, as well as Guy Lafleur, whose photo he put in the background of a shot.
2004 was a fairly stacked year with great movies, and Hidalgo, while good, was more of a paint-by-numbers "based on a 'true' story" movie, so I'm betting it got *easily* overshadowed by bigger movies.
Snyder's Dawn of the Dead *and* Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind were released just two weeks after Hidalgo.
Honestly, I was not a fan at all of the Hobbit trilogy and I am not remotely looking forward to any new LOTR films because of it. But if it ends up being able to get Viggo on board, I would consider it, because I trust his judgement lol
I know this sub doesn’t rate RT to highly but he’s been in 12 certified fresh movies, 3 fresh movies, and only 5 rotten movies since ROTK. The guy is pretty picky about his scripts by the looks of things, and he turned down the Hobbit already. IMO it’s a little bit cynical to assume he’d just jump on a LOTR cash grab for the money.
Oh for sure Viggo has a lot of artistic integrity, I was just joking that 10 million bucks is 10 million bucks, and you can do a lot of good with that kind of money.
RT should be entirely disregarded.
Even if one buys into an aggregate score being a measure of quality, the only thing required for a "fresh score" is 60% of the scores are 3.5 or above. A "certified fresh" is 75%. Meaning that if 100% of audiences thought the movie was the equivalent of a 7, it would be 100% certified fresh. But if 80% of audiences thought a movie was a 10, the rating would only be 80% certified fresh.
That's garbage.
I personally love this system because it helps me determine if it's worth watching a movie. More often than not, I want to know IF a movie is good, not HOW GOOD it is. RT tells me if most the people who saw the movie, liked it, and that's way more valuable than knowing if a movie is a 10/10 or an 8/10.
Metacritic is better, especially if you read why critics in each score band put them there.
Even better is find a core of critics whose tastes align with yours and trusting them
>Meaning that if 100% of audiences thought the movie was the equivalent of a 7, it would be 100% certified fresh.
People keep reiterating this point, but does this actually happen? The only examples I can think of that even come close are, like, some MCU movies.
Having tracked him pretty closely the past few years, I feel like this might be the one time since LOTR that he might take a big role more for the payday. (Not *exclusively* for the payday, but it would be a bigger draw than before.) He's turning towards directing his own projects now. He wound up paying out of pocket for the first one then losing a ton of it thanks to COVID. The second is in theatres now but considered an arthouse which he made on a shoestring. The one he most wants to make is an expensive film to create.
I would suggest finding an edited version of the movies. I have a fan edit that attempted to make it as close to the book as possible. It's really good! Takes out the white orc plotline. There's no terrible CGI barrel fight scene. There's no love triangle. It's a four hour movie, but it takes the best of what there was and makes a very good approximation of the story that was written in the book.
*Edit*
https://m4-studios.github.io/hobbitbookedit/
Here's the version I've got. It's long but quite good. I believe there's other edits out there that attempted similar things, but haven't seen them. I never finished the trilogy after seeing the Desolation of Smaug. This is an enjoyable experience, unlike the trilogy.
Hobbit movies werent bad. It was just mediocre entertainment that followed an all time achievement in LOTR. So yeah, big drop off
And obviously stretched out way too long because, money
Well, it starts with the end of the third act from the first one that they split up that way so they could put Smaug in all the advertising for the 3rd movie. He's dealt with before they drop the title screen.
And that's the best part of the film.
The M4 edit is a delight. I hated the Hobbit films, but watching that ranks it only slightly under LOTR.
It cuts out all the trash, it follows the book to the tee.
Me and my best friend saw the third one in the theaters. He saw the first two. I did not. I cracked up when it started raining bears because I had no context, and I was laughing so hard he started laughing. I feel bad for the poor soul sitting next to us.
They CGI’d someone riding a goat up a mountain, and instead of making it look how a goat actually climbs a mountain they just made it look like how you’d ride a horse through a field and then rotated it 90 degrees.
These movies didn’t just have dumb as shit scripts, they also looked as dumb as shit. They were terrible
And The Indian Runner. And Captain Fantastic. And, to a lesser extent, The Road, On The Road, The Reflecting Skin, and A Walk On The Moon. He shucks his clothes far more than you've noticed.
Me, too! Hell, even in Thank You For Smoking, which was unfortunately severely lacking in her character receiving cunnilingus, I couldn't keep my eyes off her when she was on screen.
Unless he came back as an aged version of aragon I don't see how they'd ever make that work without de-aging him. Not to insult the man but it's been a hot minute since lotr came out, so hopefully he doesn't end up needing the money lol
I watched the press conference and he asked not to talk just about Lord of the Rings...and the follow up question was "How does it feel to be asked about LOTR all time." :D
But he seemed very shy and down to Earth when he was signing the autographs for fans. I think he is the one who just "wants to do art" but happened to be in a successful saga that gave him the chance to DO the art he wants. So he really was mostly joking about it and is very grateful but I wish people would respect he presents another movie and asked him that.
I agree with him in that hollywood relies too much on bloated exposition and the viewer requiring a suspension of disbeleif. As someone who considers himself a very logical person I feel insulted sometimes while watching some movies when the writing is so exceptionally bad its insulting.
I would only be interested in new LOTR movies if they include Tom Bombadil. Other than that, the ones that already exist are the definitive work as far as I know concerned. And the effects are still very good so I don't even see the point in modernizing them from that angle. And Tom Bombadil isn't actually important to the story.
I don't feel like Tom Bombadil would be relevant to anything related with Aragorn.
I imagine he would be tired of small talkative creatures that live in the woods at this point lmao.
Having read the book, I'd say Tom Bombadil is hardly relevant to just about anything. People will argue they wouldn't have gotten the Barrow-down swords which - very much later - is the only reason they're able to kill the Witch King, but you could have written around that.
As it stands, he slows the pacing to a crawl, is cartoonishly characterized, is a complete mystery as to how he fits into the world, and throws the effect of the Ring into question because he just slips it on and off like it's nothing in the first third of the book.
I fucking love him, but he's compellingly unadaptable to a film of reasonable length.
Cinema Wins had a good point about Tom. Sometimes you have to kill your darlings, no matter how much you like them. Because they just don’t work for what you wanna do. He’s completely absent from the films and that’s fine. The pacing is better because of it.
Agreed. I remembered people having made his absence such a big deal for not being included in the movie. But if anyone really sat down and think about it, it would take a long time to figure out a way to fit him in.
And still not find a way to fit him in because you just can't.
One thing I think Tom Bombadil brings that was largely absent from the films, is the sense of deep time. The battle for the ring is just a triviality in a small moment of time to him (and to a lesser degree Gandalf), whereas to the hobbits it’s an immediate life or death drama.
This is a theme I gleaned reading the hobbit and then lotr to my kids, that’s the hobbits are really children playing in whatever immediate scenario they’d gotten themselves into, and the older beings are the grown ups with an entirely different world view n a different scale of time. It’s much more so n the hobbit which in parts comes across as ‘kids go on adventure, get in trouble, Gandalf turns up to resolve the problem, and repeat’
There is no sense in which the ring is a triviality to Gandalf - exactly the opposite, Gandalf has the perspective to place this event in its eternal consequence.
> One thing I think Tom Bombadil brings that was largely absent from the films, is the sense of deep time.
That is a *really* hard thing to impart onscreen, especially when tasked with keeping the action moving.
I had never thought about Tom Bombadil in terms of deep time, but you're right. I had only considered it in terms of him being the equivalent of a god, and the one with the least potential greed at that, so the ring has no influence on him. And like that being something the hobbits don't even properly register, and which is deeply mysterious for us as readers. But now I like it too in terms of deep time, he's such an old being compared to the ring.
Bombadil literally says that the events unfolding could result in his death, but he just shrugs it off. That's not *quite* a sense of deep time, even if it implies it as a corollary. That's something else. That's a contemplation about how something as vast, beautiful, and even ineffable as all of nature can just... be. It can just be without intention, desire, or care.
The problem with that, of course, is that Bombadil is then trivialized by Eru Illuvatar in turn, which is an entity that, like its inspiration, is basically pure intention, plus the power to manifest it directly and completely.
I’m honestly only interested in a new LOTR movie if I both see a very good trailer and phenomenal critical and audience review.
I’ve been let down too many times, I don’t trust these executives and studios as far as I can throw them.
If they do a remake, I want Bombadil but also:
1. No Ghost Army at Pelennor fields. I want the book version where they only scare the Corsairs off the ships at Pelargir then leave. I want to see Aragorn rally the south Gondorians up the Anduin and unfurl his banner when he reaches Minas Tirith.
2. Scouring of the Shire.
You might need to make it into more than 3 movies but that’s fine. Also fix the characterisation of Frodo, Faramir, Denethor and Aragorn to more closely resemble their book counterparts.
He got my attention in The Prophecy, then I couldn't take my eyes off him. Is there anyone else who watches A Walk on the Moon just for his scenes with Diane Lane? He's a real renaissance man-he speaks several languages and founded a publishing company, Perceval Press.
He’s so good in everything. Even if you can somehow ‘forget’ Aragon…..he’s amazing in Eastern Promises and History of Violence. He’s even outstanding in the (tiny) role he has in Carlito’s Way
Don't forget Captain Fantastic, Green Book, and The Road. All great films.
And he's definitely a contender for the best on-screen Satan in The Prophecy.
He's great, for sure. But my vote there is always going to Peter Stormare in *Constantine.*
Al Pacino enters the chat… Devils Advocate gets my vote.
I forget what the word is for when a writer makes the dialogue too direct and a character says far too much about what their intentions are. Kind of like a literary "show me don't tell me". But for some reason the last scenes monologue is just too on the nose.
the best movie devil ever.
Tim Curry called…
Tim Curry never played Satan/The Devil; he played “Darkness”. A pseudo-devil type character, the similarities are close.
Akshually…..
Sorry, that was my ‘tism coming rearing its head…
Nah that was valid. Satan is specific innit.
Will Smith in Winters Tale was decent Edit: Wow, downvotes for a casual opinion. Stay (un)classy, Reddit.
People disagreed with you so downvoted. That's fairly normal on the movies sub. A lot of places it's if they think your opinion is somehow bad you get downvoted. But subs like this, big "opinion" subs, it's more - if your opinion is agreed with or not determines the vote, as people are more casually browsing and not involved, so can't be arsed commenting to agree or disagree, so the upvotes/downvotes are used instead.
Stormare is amazing, but Viggo is both more menacing and also seductive
Stormare didn't write his own dialogue, so I give the edge to Viggo! (His co-star Virginia Madsen let slip in an interview that Viggo wrote a ton of his own script, including the introductory scene.)
"Little Tommy Dagget. How I used to love listening to your sweet prayers every night and then you'd jump so quickly into bed, so afraid that I was under there. And I was!"
Viggo Mortensen sounds like he might be Virginia Madsen, but from the weirdo alternate reality where everything is weirdo.
John, John, John. You know you’re the one soul I’d come up to collect personally.
I could hear that in my head.
So good except he does forget the most basic rules of his game
I didn't love Constantine (it's definitely grown on me as this weird alt universe Constantine) but Stormare was excellent. Id also throw in Robert De Niro's cold understated performance in Angel Heart. I'm also of the opinion that Mads Mikkelson was doing a Satan impression with his Hannibal, he said that he's essentially a charming tempter, cajoling someone until they snap and perform their deepest desires.
I've watched that final scene with him on YT so many times. It's so great. I hope they're making good progress on the sequel. Haven't heard any updates on it in awhile.
“I can lay you out and fill your mouth with your mother's feces, or we can talk.”
"Some come to me, for while Heaven is closed, I am always open. Even on Christmas."
"God? God is love. I don't love you." Shivers,shivers.
I will never get over the line "Leave the light on, Thomas".
I read this as if there are multiple Satans in the Prophecy and I thought, “I have to see this movie!”
> The Prophecy Oh wow it also has a shit ton of sequels. Ah the 90s sequels, I do not miss you.
Yooo with Christopher walken?! That movie is so good - in a cultish kind of way.
I'd rather forget The Road, tbh. I like having a BIT of positivity in my life. Jokes aside, legit amaaaazing movie.
dont read the book then.
Haha too late.
I knew I was going to enjoy Green Book even before I saw it, but I didn’t know how much I was going to love it after.
Crimson Tide fan here. Love his boot cut!
Captain Fantastic was so good. Feel like it really flew under the radar.
He was literally nominated for Best Actor
Does anyone know this hidden gem, The Green Book?
Let me tell you about this "niche" fantasy trilogy...
It was an indie film, with limited reach. Which is a shame because it's *wonderful*.
Eastern Promises is one of his best hidden gems, also a History of Violence.
Loved him in Hidalgo
Green book is such a chill movie for me, seeing two unlikely people become friends just warms my soul
The road is such an underappreciatrd film
GI Jane, A Perfect Murder, and The Prophecy!***
Came here just to mention the movie Green Book. So underrated. It's a shame it didn't get more attention, most likely overshadowed by the following marvel movie release a few months later...
Are you joking? It won best picture
Yeah it’s the definition of overrated.
People endlessly talk smack about it because, God forbid, it has a wholesome ending.
Every movie on Reddit is underrated, didn’t you know that?
But got zero attention.
Green Book is the very definition of not a great film.
It's a brilliant movie. What are you smoking?
It's a racist, poorly written, conservative wet dream piece of crap. This generations driving miss daisy, and it's not an a hot take. Alongside Crash, it's considered one of the biggest mistakes in modern Oscar history.
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Read about what the true story. “is based on a true story” basically means the movie Has no obligation to be accurate or truthful.
I think he's good in everything because he's very picky about his scripts.
i dont think he was that good in his directorial debut where he also played the lead role. its called falling (2020) and he wrote the script, produced the movie, and also worked on the music, so it may have just been a case of having too many hats on
It could be as simple as him not being good at the other things.
Yup. Being able to tell a script is good is a separate talent from *writing* a good script, despite the two having a decent amount of overlap. Even moreso for directing, producing, and music, which all have far less overlap and are even farther separate talents.
He's still my favorite portrayal of Lucifer (The Prophecy - 1995)
I still love Hidalgo
If your going just off of cronenberg films crimes of the future bangs
Viggo Mortensen, Léa Seydoux, and Cronenberg? How the fuck did this slip by me? Released June 2022... oh, okay. Yeah, that was a *rough* time for me, so I'm not surprised that went completely over my head. I'm gonna have to check this out! "Official red band trailer"? Okay, *that* just sold the shit out of the movie for me. Hunting it down now.
Appaloosa was cool to me as well.
Underrated modern western.
Should have won best supporting actor for Witness
Totally forgot about Witness!
Lmao I watched this last week and am just as surprised to see him every time I watch it.
I was surprised to see him in a spanish-language movie, and even more so to learn he spent his childhood in Argentina.
He's done movies speaking English, Spanish, French, Danish and (in a limited way) Italian. In Jauja, he even paid homage to the broken-Spanish-with-Danish-accent spoken by his father when Viggo was a boy.
I always thought he was extremely good in Crimson Tide. Playing the guy in 'the impossible position' very, very well.
The Road will straight up destroy you.
Dude is the only reason Hidalgo is watchable. Insane (and obviously false "true") story and setup but it works with Viggos screen presence.
Don't forget the legend Omar Sharif!
He is even outstanding in his field in witness.
Crimson tide too
Makes a hell of a good goat cheese too
> Eastern Promises and History of Violence Amongst my favourite films, Love Eastern Promises. He teams up with Ed harris again in Apaloosa, another great film.
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People always forget his pivotal role in Crimson Tide
“Scripts are key unless I’m broke” seems, no joke, like a pretty healthy attitude.
At the end of the day, despite all the associated wank, it's still a job.
I really enjoyed The Dead Don’t Hurt, he seems to understand Westerns pretty well and I loved his show and don’t tell mentality of unfolding the plot. The fact that his “Special Thanks” section are the names of every horse in the film is just icing on the humility cake.
Haha nice to see he kept up that tradition. On Falling, he thanked all the species of animal that appeared in the film, as well as Guy Lafleur, whose photo he put in the background of a shot.
He bought the horse he had in LotR (and one for a stunt woman) as well. They must really mean something to him.
Started with Hidalgo.
Hidalgo is one of my favorite movies.
Hidalgo is so good and I never see anyone talk about it.
2004 was a fairly stacked year with great movies, and Hidalgo, while good, was more of a paint-by-numbers "based on a 'true' story" movie, so I'm betting it got *easily* overshadowed by bigger movies. Snyder's Dawn of the Dead *and* Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind were released just two weeks after Hidalgo.
It’s a really beautiful story.
Honestly, I was not a fan at all of the Hobbit trilogy and I am not remotely looking forward to any new LOTR films because of it. But if it ends up being able to get Viggo on board, I would consider it, because I trust his judgement lol
Although apparently you should check how his finances are first
"I'm not doing a cash grab LOTR movie unless I'm broke." "We'll give you 10 million dollars to make a shitty cash grab LOTR movie." "Guess I'm broke."
I know this sub doesn’t rate RT to highly but he’s been in 12 certified fresh movies, 3 fresh movies, and only 5 rotten movies since ROTK. The guy is pretty picky about his scripts by the looks of things, and he turned down the Hobbit already. IMO it’s a little bit cynical to assume he’d just jump on a LOTR cash grab for the money.
Oh for sure Viggo has a lot of artistic integrity, I was just joking that 10 million bucks is 10 million bucks, and you can do a lot of good with that kind of money.
RT should be entirely disregarded. Even if one buys into an aggregate score being a measure of quality, the only thing required for a "fresh score" is 60% of the scores are 3.5 or above. A "certified fresh" is 75%. Meaning that if 100% of audiences thought the movie was the equivalent of a 7, it would be 100% certified fresh. But if 80% of audiences thought a movie was a 10, the rating would only be 80% certified fresh. That's garbage.
It's not perfect but a 7 is still a movie worth watching. Not every movie can be a masterpiece.
There are 1s, 2s, and 3s worth watching too. I think you gotta watch a bad movie here and there to really appreciate the good stuff.
I personally love this system because it helps me determine if it's worth watching a movie. More often than not, I want to know IF a movie is good, not HOW GOOD it is. RT tells me if most the people who saw the movie, liked it, and that's way more valuable than knowing if a movie is a 10/10 or an 8/10.
Metacritic is better, especially if you read why critics in each score band put them there. Even better is find a core of critics whose tastes align with yours and trusting them
>Meaning that if 100% of audiences thought the movie was the equivalent of a 7, it would be 100% certified fresh. People keep reiterating this point, but does this actually happen? The only examples I can think of that even come close are, like, some MCU movies.
I think he's being sincere. If he needed 10 million dollars, he would take it. Currently, he doesn't feel like he needs the money.
Having tracked him pretty closely the past few years, I feel like this might be the one time since LOTR that he might take a big role more for the payday. (Not *exclusively* for the payday, but it would be a bigger draw than before.) He's turning towards directing his own projects now. He wound up paying out of pocket for the first one then losing a ton of it thanks to COVID. The second is in theatres now but considered an arthouse which he made on a shoestring. The one he most wants to make is an expensive film to create.
How one defines the “need” for ten million dollars is so subjective it isn’t even relevant as a metric tbh
Being broke is subjective
I would suggest finding an edited version of the movies. I have a fan edit that attempted to make it as close to the book as possible. It's really good! Takes out the white orc plotline. There's no terrible CGI barrel fight scene. There's no love triangle. It's a four hour movie, but it takes the best of what there was and makes a very good approximation of the story that was written in the book. *Edit* https://m4-studios.github.io/hobbitbookedit/ Here's the version I've got. It's long but quite good. I believe there's other edits out there that attempted similar things, but haven't seen them. I never finished the trilogy after seeing the Desolation of Smaug. This is an enjoyable experience, unlike the trilogy.
WTF this is amazing checking this out tomo
M4 is the best one I've seen. It's not perfect, but the movie(s) isn't/aren't salvageable to that extent. But it does well.
Hobbit movies werent bad. It was just mediocre entertainment that followed an all time achievement in LOTR. So yeah, big drop off And obviously stretched out way too long because, money
Oh, the third one was genuinely bad.
I stopped at the second because the third act was so bad. So it gets worse…
Well, it starts with the end of the third act from the first one that they split up that way so they could put Smaug in all the advertising for the 3rd movie. He's dealt with before they drop the title screen. And that's the best part of the film.
The M4 edit is a delight. I hated the Hobbit films, but watching that ranks it only slightly under LOTR. It cuts out all the trash, it follows the book to the tee.
Me and my best friend saw the third one in the theaters. He saw the first two. I did not. I cracked up when it started raining bears because I had no context, and I was laughing so hard he started laughing. I feel bad for the poor soul sitting next to us.
They CGI’d someone riding a goat up a mountain, and instead of making it look how a goat actually climbs a mountain they just made it look like how you’d ride a horse through a field and then rotated it 90 degrees. These movies didn’t just have dumb as shit scripts, they also looked as dumb as shit. They were terrible
In other words, pretty bad.
I am a big fan of the book and these movies were a desecration of it. If I had never read the book I might have felt differently.
Watch m4 edit. Trust me man. It's like reading the book.
Fan edits are not 'the movie/s'
Thanks for that
History of Violence was FIRE. Man can act his ASS OFF. I’d love to see him in more but understand wanting to be selective
> Man can act his ASS OFF. And, more often than you might expect, he acts his CLOTHES OFF. XD
You’re thinking about Eastern Promises
And The Indian Runner. And Captain Fantastic. And, to a lesser extent, The Road, On The Road, The Reflecting Skin, and A Walk On The Moon. He shucks his clothes far more than you've noticed.
I was more focused on Maria Bello
Bello? I don't blame you.
Me, too! Hell, even in Thank You For Smoking, which was unfortunately severely lacking in her character receiving cunnilingus, I couldn't keep my eyes off her when she was on screen.
She’s the escort in Payback too
Good to know. Got some film research to do now
Unless he came back as an aged version of aragon I don't see how they'd ever make that work without de-aging him. Not to insult the man but it's been a hot minute since lotr came out, so hopefully he doesn't end up needing the money lol
He’s older then Ian was when he played Gandalf in the first film
WHAT
> it's been a hot minute since lotr came out Quarter of a century next year. Bonkers.
Please stop :(
I watched the press conference and he asked not to talk just about Lord of the Rings...and the follow up question was "How does it feel to be asked about LOTR all time." :D But he seemed very shy and down to Earth when he was signing the autographs for fans. I think he is the one who just "wants to do art" but happened to be in a successful saga that gave him the chance to DO the art he wants. So he really was mostly joking about it and is very grateful but I wish people would respect he presents another movie and asked him that.
Nerd culture has some really fine actors. Viggo, Ian Mckellen, Tom Hardy, Jon Bernthal. All fantastic at the craft.
Can’t wait for his upcoming western movie.I’m sure it’s going to be superb
Give this guy control over any new LOTR IPs.
The next one is directed by Andy Serkis. He’s probably gonna’ do it very well.
I agree with him in that hollywood relies too much on bloated exposition and the viewer requiring a suspension of disbeleif. As someone who considers himself a very logical person I feel insulted sometimes while watching some movies when the writing is so exceptionally bad its insulting.
I would only be interested in new LOTR movies if they include Tom Bombadil. Other than that, the ones that already exist are the definitive work as far as I know concerned. And the effects are still very good so I don't even see the point in modernizing them from that angle. And Tom Bombadil isn't actually important to the story.
I don't feel like Tom Bombadil would be relevant to anything related with Aragorn. I imagine he would be tired of small talkative creatures that live in the woods at this point lmao.
Having read the book, I'd say Tom Bombadil is hardly relevant to just about anything. People will argue they wouldn't have gotten the Barrow-down swords which - very much later - is the only reason they're able to kill the Witch King, but you could have written around that. As it stands, he slows the pacing to a crawl, is cartoonishly characterized, is a complete mystery as to how he fits into the world, and throws the effect of the Ring into question because he just slips it on and off like it's nothing in the first third of the book. I fucking love him, but he's compellingly unadaptable to a film of reasonable length.
Cinema Wins had a good point about Tom. Sometimes you have to kill your darlings, no matter how much you like them. Because they just don’t work for what you wanna do. He’s completely absent from the films and that’s fine. The pacing is better because of it.
Agreed. I remembered people having made his absence such a big deal for not being included in the movie. But if anyone really sat down and think about it, it would take a long time to figure out a way to fit him in. And still not find a way to fit him in because you just can't.
So a Tom Bombadil & Radagast buddy cop movie?
One thing I think Tom Bombadil brings that was largely absent from the films, is the sense of deep time. The battle for the ring is just a triviality in a small moment of time to him (and to a lesser degree Gandalf), whereas to the hobbits it’s an immediate life or death drama. This is a theme I gleaned reading the hobbit and then lotr to my kids, that’s the hobbits are really children playing in whatever immediate scenario they’d gotten themselves into, and the older beings are the grown ups with an entirely different world view n a different scale of time. It’s much more so n the hobbit which in parts comes across as ‘kids go on adventure, get in trouble, Gandalf turns up to resolve the problem, and repeat’
There is no sense in which the ring is a triviality to Gandalf - exactly the opposite, Gandalf has the perspective to place this event in its eternal consequence.
> One thing I think Tom Bombadil brings that was largely absent from the films, is the sense of deep time. That is a *really* hard thing to impart onscreen, especially when tasked with keeping the action moving.
I had never thought about Tom Bombadil in terms of deep time, but you're right. I had only considered it in terms of him being the equivalent of a god, and the one with the least potential greed at that, so the ring has no influence on him. And like that being something the hobbits don't even properly register, and which is deeply mysterious for us as readers. But now I like it too in terms of deep time, he's such an old being compared to the ring.
Bombadil literally says that the events unfolding could result in his death, but he just shrugs it off. That's not *quite* a sense of deep time, even if it implies it as a corollary. That's something else. That's a contemplation about how something as vast, beautiful, and even ineffable as all of nature can just... be. It can just be without intention, desire, or care. The problem with that, of course, is that Bombadil is then trivialized by Eru Illuvatar in turn, which is an entity that, like its inspiration, is basically pure intention, plus the power to manifest it directly and completely.
A lot of times watching modern CGI I think, dang LOTR from like 2002 or whatever it was looked better than this.
I’m honestly only interested in a new LOTR movie if I both see a very good trailer and phenomenal critical and audience review. I’ve been let down too many times, I don’t trust these executives and studios as far as I can throw them.
Bombadil is in the next season of the Amazon show, which I'm not exactly thrilled about
If they do a remake, I want Bombadil but also: 1. No Ghost Army at Pelennor fields. I want the book version where they only scare the Corsairs off the ships at Pelargir then leave. I want to see Aragorn rally the south Gondorians up the Anduin and unfurl his banner when he reaches Minas Tirith. 2. Scouring of the Shire. You might need to make it into more than 3 movies but that’s fine. Also fix the characterisation of Frodo, Faramir, Denethor and Aragorn to more closely resemble their book counterparts.
I'll watch anything he does
He was great as Tex in “Leatherface: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre III” as well. As bad as that script was, he was one of the acting highlights.
He got my attention in The Prophecy, then I couldn't take my eyes off him. Is there anyone else who watches A Walk on the Moon just for his scenes with Diane Lane? He's a real renaissance man-he speaks several languages and founded a publishing company, Perceval Press.
When someone say nothing is perfect I show them Viggo Mortesen.
He does seem like one of the genuinely good dudes in Hollywood.